So, about the Decisive Strike buff... | Dead by Daylight 

Update: We tried the new DS on the PTB and it's laughable. With the weird new animation, Survivors only get about 0.5 extra seconds instead of the promised 2 extra seconds.

Otz fell off (the killer's shoulder).

Hot take from twitter: Old barbecue and Chili was the best anti tunel perk with the bonus points

So, DS was 5s. Then it was 4s. Then it was 3s, and changed to an anti-tunneling perk. Then it was 5s again. Then it was 5s but conditional (conspicuous action stipulation). Then it was a 3s conditional anti tunneling perk. Now it's 5s again. BHVR, do you need to talk to somebody about this? They change this perk more than a paranoid shut-in changes their locks.

These intros always kill me, I dont know WHERE you keep coming up with these, but keep them coming!

I know my bar for BHVR is low because I'm excited to see a perk get a unique animation. I hope we can see some more for other perks like Pop, Unbreakable, even something like Sprint Burst or Lithe

0:35 "I've made some threats there" This man is a MENACE

For me, the biggest problem is that they try to fix a problem, like tunneling and camping, using perks insted of game mechanics to fix the problem.

0:42 This is the game where you used Territorial Imperative with Make Your Choice as Demogorgon to camp the basement from anywhere on the map! If I am correct, I believe this is one of the first video's I saw from you. Neat.

Jesus christ the Whistleblower joke- god DAMN dude Nice

As a Killer main, i think the bonus effect for Decisive Strike could be that a killers power is disabled for, say just, for example, 5 seconds after the stun duration ends. This means killers who can normally counter the distance generated by D.S. like Blight, huntress, Billy, and Nurse would be held back more by D.S. but non hyper mobility killers like Trapper, Hag, Pig, etc, would not be effected as much as the high mobility ones.

The build I run all the time consists of Deadhard, Decisive, Off the Record and Windows. When I get tunneled this is usually what happens, I take endurance hit from off the record (I try to prolong chase to waste killers time) and when I go down I use ds and reset mend. Then I use dead hard to prolong chase further. By the time I'm down again, my team has normally done at least 3 gens. Even though dead hard isnt as good as it was, I still get crazy value from it.

00:36 - "Because I made some THREATS there" + this is what I heard instead of threaDs, said in that calm, friendly, happy accent🤣😂

While I initially rejoiced over the change, there's no denying that you are right. They could have easily changed the stun to affect the killers to allow us to get more distance, or changed around a throw away perk no one uses. Maybe one day bhvr will listen to you, I think this is a very fair take (and I hate being tunneled back to back to back in every match, if it happened every once in a while I'm all for it)

I did read your twitter thread but I enjoy hearing you talk about it in videos way more 👍

The stoopid-est thing the dev's did was remove the BP bonus for BBQ. That was an anti tunnel thingy in itself.

I always wondered why bhvr doesn't make more free common perks? Or just remake the shrine of secrets to have all the perks instead of daily rotations, but to balance it out they can have the license perks be more expensive than the non ones.

Insert: “x views in y seconds? Otz fell off” comment here

The shrine updates have been in one week increments for years, while the number of perks have increased nearly ten fold. It needs to update more commonly or have more perks available per week.

damn otz tha transition from the demogorgon "tunnel" was crispy af

Yesterday I got recommended a video of yours showcasing veeeery Old DbD, when Myers was about to be added, and you said something along the lines "Remember when Decisive used to be 5 seconds? Dude, it's so crazy, look how slow the animation is" - and we're so back 😂

Missed opportunity for the DS animation making the survivor slam a pallet on the killer's back WWE style.

I only joined the DBD community about a year ago so I missed old DS. I'm super interested to see what happens when/if this buff goes through. Thanks for the vid, Otz. Much love

I love you Ott for those videos. Though you do many mistakes in Sts at defect.

This new buff is absolutely stunning

Decisve buff? Whats next? Otzdarva as the new killer...

I think the best changes are the ones that creates or buffs strategies against a meta over flat value nerfs and buffs. I would love another perk that works with protection hits aside from Mettle. "When you take a protection hit, the protected survivor gains the following effects: 1) 150% movespeed for 3 seconds. 2) Pools of blood and scratch marks are suppressed." 3) Exhaustion for 40 secs This perk works for the protected survivor if they already have exhaustion."

Damn, can't believe I got tunneled out by Otz that one time 7:50

otz bullying a skull merchant in the background is mega based

Otzdarva the type of guy to send to not send a hitman after me because he prefers to deal with problems hands on.

That intro with the deathslinger nodding really got meXD

I feel like the issue with balancing or introducing new anti-tunnel perks could be partially fixed by tying their activation conditions into a single mechanics that would prevent survivors from excessive use. It could fill the same role that Exhaustion mechanics now fills for "distance" perks. The Exhaustion allows devs to introduce those perks for survivors without being concerned about perk combinations or repetitive use of such perks in a single chase. For example, anti-tunnel perks may require hook stages as charges for activation - a single survivor can have only 2 of them, so they get only 2 uses for the whole group of perks. If some of those perks end up much stronger than the others, they can be balanced by making them cost both charges, further restricting the survivor if they choose to use it. It also leaves a room for more perks that can support or counter this particular mechanic - like Vigil or Fearmongerer for the Exhaustion mechanics. We already have some example of this idea in the form of the Dead Hard - just without any effect on other anti-tunnel perks. This idea does not cover the issue of uneven effect for the different killers that Otz mentioned, but I think that his idea about making certain killers suffer additional effects from the Decisive is a good approach. Perhaps, it could also be tied to some new or existing mechanics. Again, there is a good example that already in the game - Basic Attacks and Special Attacks, which allows to prevent Nurse and Blight from using insta-down perks such as Starstruck with their power without affecting many other killers.

Just when I forgot about the corpses hidden around the GTA 5 map, thanks Otz!

Hey Otz! I really appreciate how

I was fasting and now is time for iftar. I’m watching your video while eating, this is the best time in my life. keep posting ❤❤.

I can't lie; as a survivor main I was happy that DS is getting buffed. However, you are correct in that this is not good for the long-term health of the game. It really would be nice to see them rework those unused perks like you mentioned; I've only ever used Premonition when I had to for a challenge.

the barely held back laugh and smirk when telling the whistleblower joke sold this video for me

And I completely agree with you Otz, people were glad the old DS came back, but that won't fix things in the future. By nerfing DS Bhvr gave us a problem and then sold us the solution and people didn't realize that 😐

The point you made with stunning and taking away tokens from nurse and other killers is such a smart way to balance the game. Odd they haven’t done that yet.

ok Otz the timing of saying "going back into the history of tunneling" as you show B roll of Demodog tunneling was really well done and I hate that I laughed.

My only problem is that half a year ago they announced a change to DS and it seemed that they would do a rework or some different modification, and the only thing they did was... return the perk to how it was originally... 😐😐😐 I genuinely thought that They would give it a rework or an extra effect, such as: in addition to the 5 seconds of stunt, it should also deactivate the killer's power for 3 seconds, so killers like blight or nurse would be equally punished as an M1 killer.

They should've genuinely reworked the perk like people were suggesting some time ago, only doing a 3 second stun AND depleting the killer's power, to counter Nurse and Blights, giving you a chance to escape them, rather than punish M1 killers even more while the top killers don't care at all about the stun like now and like they will soon...

As a newer player with the perk, I find myself missing the skill check itself every so often which always makes me wonder why I ran it in the first place.

The issue does not lie with the anti-tunneling buff itself, but rather with the potential for Survivors to abuse it offensively, similar to how some players utilize the Off the Record perk for taking a hit for a survivor who hasn't been hooked yet, thereby denying the benefit to the intended recipient of the perk, which is designed to counter tunneling.

I liked the part where Otz said "It's anti-tunneling time" and decisive striked all over the place

talks about the brief history of tunneling and immediately transitioning into demo coming out of the ground is hilarious

0:36 I thought you said "I made some THREATS there" like damn didn't know it was that serious

I very much agree, im scared slugging will skyrocket bc killer is gonna assume every survivor is carrying ds. Also I never thought about that angle, that new anti tunnel perks will be ignored in favor of this ds buff. Like always making great content MY GOAT!!! 🐐 ❤

every game I play makes bandaid solutions to problems without considering the impact these changes might have elswhere. Sadge. They have something in mind they want to " fix " and they always pick the easiest for them change to address it with 0 care what it will do to other things.

Easy solution. They make a new status effect called discombobulated (or something else) for killers. this status effect will disable a killers ability. Then keep the 3 second stun for DS and add a 5 or 6 second discombobulate effect with that so after the killer is unstuned they are unable to use their power for 3 extra seconds. Thoughts?

I can't believe we both thought the same idea, I honestly stand by all things you said, except, losing tokens specifically for some killers might sound healthier but it's unavoidably makes the game more complicated, and as far as we can see they remove bunch of unique power interactions like using flashlights to destroy Hag's traps, burn Nurse etc. It's pretty clear to see they want to keep things streamlines as possible. So, I though... incapacitated status effect - but for killers. When deceive strike applied, killers get stunned by the default stun duration of 2 seconds, but now it also applies a incapacitated status effect that blocks their M2 power for few seconds, let's say 8 seconds based on the clip you showed at 8:00, a killer without a traversal ability or projectile attack, it takes them 8 seconds to catch up to survivor, so a killer with M2 power, like Spirit, Deathslinger, Nurse, Blight, you name it, now have to catch up at same time as the others do with just playing the game as a M1 killer for few seconds. Hypothetically, it just removes the ability to press M2, not stops the power itself to gain tokens/charges/percentages so after the 8 seconds passed killer can use it to catch up distance again, but at same time M1 killers can also catch up by just playing normally. I think it's a better solution. I know it's hard to see my comment in 800 other comments, but I hope this founds you, and you consider this idea and maybe even test it since basically you need to just wait 8 seconds before you use power in a custom game, without in-game implementation. Much love Otz!

I think i agree in some statements like they could do something about the time on basekit bt that would last like 12 or 14 seconds instead of 10 or maybe make the survivor dont receive any damage (like the immunity of the old dead hard) for 3 seconds before having the bt for killers that hits the survivor right away from the hook (and also he cant take a hit for the savior) would be awesome for the both sides

i just want DS to go inactive when the survivor gets healed to full. not just when they self heal...

After reading your discord post im suprised I have not seen more ideas like it. Having Decisive silence the killers power sounds like an cool idea to punish the stronger power killers. On top of that its a cool mechanic that hasn't been touched I really wish bvhr could test with an idea of silences but I guess I'll take the 5 second stun I wish there was a cooler solution than just buffing numbers.

I just don't see them ever doing the "remove power" when stunned by DS because they moved away from perks affecting specific killers. And some killers have powers that don't take very long to recover anyway, while others take extremely long to return. So what if nurse takes 5 seconds to get 2 blinks back? She can still blink quickly and down. Imagine OnI losing all his blood build up or something

You could have anti tunneling base kit where if someone recently was on hook and goes down they get covered by the entity’s claws for a few seconds who holds them to the ground (I’m ver biased my build is centered around no mither)

30 seconds? I've never been this early. Feels good!

a bit off topic but my first dlc i bought was hallween , not cus of myers but because i wanted ds (as a full killer main) and guess what , now i have p30 on myers and he is one of my favourite killers for gimmick builds

I’m happy tbh I’m a survivor and killer main. DS being buff is good it’s just 5 seconds. I feel like everyone is forgetting that DS, gets deactivated at endgame and when you touch a gen etc.

The worst thing about it too is that its not even guaranteed, esp for new players who may miss the skill check. At least if they buffed the stun and made it like "if you miss its only 3 seconds stunned" at least it'd be fail proof. They should also add some endurance or something to prevent the whole nurse/death-slinger/huntress thing with hitting them again, or if they were downed by no safe spaces.

Decisive strike

5:25 never saw highest mmr playing trapper or clown its always blight or nurse so if someone wanna sweat in "highest mmr" as trapper or clown he is not for real

they should just make a perk where if you are in the terror radius of the killer while on hook and if being chased for 10/20/30 seconds after other survivors gain slight haste 1%/2%/3% and gives the killer hindered 2%/4%/6% and if you get deepwound during this time gives more hindered 3%/5%/7% and gets rid of your scratches, grunts and blood aswell as making you move 2%/4%/6% quicker until mended (slightly quicker than bloodlust 3 making it good for new players to make distance while being undetectable and experienced players harder to catch because a good killer will still track their foot steps) call it like sense of security or something and make it common so anyone can get it and or run it new or seasoned. its not anything crazy but it could help make it less valuable to target one person.

I'm honestly pretty happy with the bandaid solution even after agreeing with all the other points you made. BHVR makes changes very slowly compared the 2 week patch cycles of other big games, so if they want more time to (hopefully try to) come up with a better solution, this is the easiest way to do that. Bit of hopium since they haven't mentioned any plans like that, but like I said, they work slow and their changes have been mostly good in the last year or two. The nurse and blight losing tokens after a stun is GENIUS btw. It's so rare that the nurse esp gets stunned anyway, so amazing idea

I LOVE YOU OTZ

back when DS still had its 5 seconds stun and lasted 1 minute on unhook, i had multiple matches of survivors getting unhook and then B-lining for me (the killer) to bodyblock for a completely different survivor i was chasing, even if i was on the other side of the map. Edit: i know it's technically better for me since it means 2 less survivor doing gens since 1 is down and another one has to come and pick them up. my problem is that it's incredibly exhausting to see survivors get so pissed off that i'm not tunneling them that they feel obligated to B-line straight for me just to get value out of 1 perk. either that or they cannot fathom the idea of someone else having fun and they HAVE to stun the killer to feel a bit of joy in their lives. my main problem with the change is that it will encourage more survivors to equip DS, and therefore more survivors will act this way.

Very good analysis and explanation!

Hey otz and others, what do you think of the idea that anti tunneling perks like ds or off the record deactivate on a protection hit. So you cant use them aggressively without payback? Or maybe change the timer on ds, make it like 10/ 20 sec but work like pigs traps.

BHVR: (buffs Decisive Strike) Slug builds and Pyramid Head: "How cute... they think it matters..."

I agree with you otz, survivors shouldn't have to buy a dlc if they do not want to be tunneled.

Imo the best thing they could do for anti-tunnelling is pause the endurance status effect's timer if a survivor is in chase after being unhooked

This Is Not Happening would be great as decisive. It also sounds funny, changes the name from like being scared to being defiant (if they kept the name)

the amount of copium is too much otz, you know you're just mad about this change because it will help prevent those 1,950 blight win streaks that only lose because of those anti tunnel perks, please do a 1,950 survivor escape streak

Entirely agree, Otz. I think DS should've been buffed to 120 second duration. It has the conspicuous action stipulation, and in its current form, you can't utilize other tunneling perks without forcing Decisive, also punishing long chases as well. But keeping 3 second stun and your Nurse/Blight idea would even the playing field for all killers much more fairly.

Otz your so close to 1 MIL congrats

Good you seem to be on par with Tru3. Cannot wait till another discussion

i believe buffing ds will also encourage previously tunneling killers to just slug instead i'm glad i'm not the only one who saw that change as negative i thought i was going crazy

I did think of this as a good change, but I do hear you on how the result might not be what Behaviour intended. Thinking over a perk idea, perhaps you could try an Endurance status effect for a short duration, or even something like Mettle of Man where it just denies the hit without deep wound that stays until the chase ends and the Killer leaves them, after getting off the Killer's shoulder. It's hard to come up with an anti-tunnel perk that would be on par with the perks that already exist, mind you, but perhaps that might be a 'This Is Not Happening' rework to at least give a chance. That idea of denying the Killer's power in Decisive would make it unrivalled in anti-tunnel, but it should at least be an effect it would have to really punish stronger Killers with either high mobility or a ranged ability, capable of downing in seconds. Here's what I thought of for This Is Not Happening. It won't be immediately useful like Decisive, but I'm hoping it would at least reward altruistic plays from flashlights and pallets so that newer players have a better chance. I just can't think of a different idea that would be useful like Decisive, without making it a Decisive clone This Is Not Happening When the Killer gives you special attention, you know how to give them a run for their money This perk activates after getting off the Killer's shoulder by any means when you have at least 1 Hook Stage Gain the Endurance status effect for 10/12/14 seconds OR Deny the next hit that would put you in the dying state, which deactivates when the Killer ends the chase and moves outside of a 28m/32m/36m radius (as an example) This perk stays deactivated until you are hooked again, and permanently deactivates once the Exit gates are powered 'No. I won't allow this to happen, even if this is the last thing I do!' - Nikki, the Lost Tapes With this idea in mind, I also altered the flavour text associated with the perk because performing your best under extreme stress might not be the most suitable tagline for the different effect ideas I thought of. Thank you for reading!

Well at least it something but fantastic point Otz. You could take it one step further and point out it’s another example of bhvr Fumo tactics

i HIGHLY agree that a lot of the main meta perks that belong to licenses should be reworked into the common pool so there's less of a wall between new players and the expeerience. my friend group recently brought someone new into our SWF games and it feels like we're busting out the red yarn and thumbtacks to figure out the most optimal way for her to enjoy the game as fast as possible with her spending the least amount of money. definitely would like to see the unlicensed perks get like a store page where you can buy specific perks with iri shards rather than being forced to wait for the shrine, especially with how many perks there are now. can't say i won't be using the buff heavily but wish it was implemented a little different. thanks for your thoughts Otz!

Otz back at it with the infinitely better ideas than the devs

The idea to make certain killers have their tokens get reset after being stunned would be a great idea even if it was for just for DS stuns. I could even see DS disabling all killer powers for maybe 7 to 10 seconds being fair so it's universal making it easier to implement. The M1 killers would have little to no change with their powers disabled while the high tier killers that can normally counter it with their powers would struggle more. Either way this change really missed the mark and is just a bandaid fix that avoids the core issue of tunneling. Maybe some day they will try to do less "safe" changes to try and make an actual impact on the game's health

Would likely have been better for them to just make it so all killer powers can't be activated for 2-4 seconds after recovering from the stun. Hits the already powerful killers harder while giving all killers closer to the same recovery distance to catch back up. Also something that effects every killer would be simpler to implement than needing to modify how to functions for only certain killers. If effective could then tweak some killers to have harsher negatives if needed.

Stuff like this just further pushes for per-killer balancing, we'll probably never have it because it'd be more work than they probably want to do, but it would fix so many of these issues. Like if blight lost charges if he got stunned, nurse had a cooldown added to blink, anything like that, or even just longer stuns for stronger killers.

Otz.. are you the next Unknown skin?

I feel like adding an effect like the old BBQ & Chilli Basekit for all killers but with some added conditions would greatly help the problem. Make it so killers get bonus bloodpoints for each first hook on a survivor(except the first survivor) that happens BEFORE any survivors are sacrificed. This gives killers an incentive to switch targets and even if it does not nerf tunneling directly in a gameplay department, just reducing the number of times tunneling happens will make an overall more positive experience for everyone

I feel this buff is more of a quality of life change since without the speed survivors usually get kullers no matter how little tge power will catch up relatively quickly, it's the same reason why Save the best for last (rest in peace 😢) was so strong.

Homie looking good rolling up like that

I mean it can be avoided so Idm the buffs to it it's not like unhooked survivors can Heal or do gens so..

9:03 Just one thing to say, adrenaline wakes up survivors against Freddy

Yo Otz, can you talk about the Adre changes? I would be interested in your opinion about it.

8:50 Otz! I had the same idea before you said it!

I think the devs should focus themselves more on rewarding the killer that goes for the unhooker, rather than the unhooked person. Cuz tunneling in high mmr is an aspect that is almost a must sometimes. If Bhvr could just focus on rewarding the killer for starting a chase with the unhooker - like giving the killer haste, bp, exposed or some sort of a pressure reward, then it would make the game much more enjoyable for both sides

Adrenaline not working off hook is still ridiculous. The perk will already do nothing for you if you die before endgame/don't get unhooked in endgame, now it has the potential to do absolutely NOTHING for you in endgame once you are able to control your character again?

8:47, I agree with you about the unique concept of punishing high-mobility killers like the Nurse and the Blight by causing them to lose power tokens after being stunned. This makes sense because stunning them often results in fewer benefits or no benefit at all for survivors.

the fact that stronger perks are not avaiable right away for new players is great, remember this is a horror game at first and a competitive game second, feeling week and not having the best survivor perks might stretch that feeling of being chased by monsters before they become the sweaty survivors we all are and hate aswell

literally if "this is not happening" was basekit 3 second ds and maybe make decisive strike buff your stuns in some way

I completely disagree. This will greatly affect strong players as well. Just remember the build of people who broke Momo's Blight 1900+ winstreak. They had 4 unbuffed Decisive Strikes. Now the team can take 4 DC 4 OTR and weak killers simply will not be able to win. It is clear that there will be no problems for the Nurse, etc.

Almost 1 Million subs,congrats dude.Ur my favorite dbd content creator.

Only thing that bothers me is feel like people may use this for more protection hits after an unhook. Since you can't risk picking them up again you have to slug them, which survivors hate, is also really unreliable for the killer to capitalize on.