Don't know how interesting 5 seasons of Lorne Malvo chasing around Lester would be. The anthology makes the show a lot more experimental and obviously not everyone is gonna be satisfied with every season. 5 is far better than 4.
The part of the show that i didn't understand was how she got all of her combat skills? She was an abused teenage bride. I don't think that teaches you how to make IEDs, booby traps, and hand to hand combat skills. She should have fleed, worked for the CIA or something, that's how she got a new id. Something like that.
Same here - this didn't really make sense to me either. It also made no sense to me that the sheriff would go after her 11 years later just to try and kill her when he finally found her.
@@brianmorris4446Mary Sue seems kind of silly. There’s no male equivalent. It seems people are just less inclined to believe a woman can have skills without explanation, whereas people never really talk about that concerning men. Having said that, they did say stuff implying there is some kind of reason why she knows this. I too would’ve liked to know.
This series had a great theme of being forced to be in impossible situations and forced to pay a debt for the wickedness of others. Debt is a thing that pops up all over this season.I think that the final scene's message is that the way to move on from the damage other people did to you is to learn to forgive some of the debts people have with you and trying to go about things with love and compassion. IMO it's a very wholesome message and the best Fargo Season finale ever.
Yes, very wholesome finale in which Lorraine is allowed to keep her business-model going without compromise and uses the leverage she holds over other people to instigate prison rape.
THe problem is, the biggest offender when it comes to controlling people via debt is Lorraine, and she's treated like a hero just because she has a modicum of empathy when forced to look at pictures of her daughter in law beaten to a pulp. A few episodes later, she literally uses this power of owning debt to torture someone, and she's still treated like a hero, which completely undermines the message.
@@akhayat89 agreed. The way prison rape is presented as a form of justice is disgusting and makes the season finale irredeemable in my opinion, no matter how good the stuff with Ole Munch is. It unfortunately fits the pattern of season 5 appealing mostly to basic instincts, with Dot being the ultimate cheerworthy hero and Roy the despicable scum of the earth, with no gray areas to be found on either side
I enjoyed this season, but it did feel like they were bashing the audience over their heads with their beliefs. Zero subtlety lol. I just put that to the side because that’s basically every production out of Hollywood nowadays. Ole Munch was the obvious standout for me this season.
No Country For Old Men ends just as the book does. And I don't think Munch's sin eating being turned around by Dot persuading him to try food for what it is, and he lets go of his sins, and smiles as he seems to regain his soul as he gives up chasing Dot for the "debt" she owes him.
@@AbdulGabagool83 I don't think they intended to make it suck. Just like, an anti-Coen season of Fargo. Like how modern Star Wars is a critique of classic Star Wars. The problem is when you make a counterpoint to something awesome, what you end up with will probably suck.
It had a promising beginning, but did not deliver at all. I don't understand where all this praise is coming from. On the nose dialogue/political themes, an exploitative billionaire treated like a hero because she had 5 minutes of humanity, and what felt like token minorities in Indira and Witt. Not to mention they pulled the whole "it was a dream the whole time" cliche in the year 2023. It had its moments-- the homages to the film were nice, and the puppet show, despite the stupid "It was a dream" cliche, was actually an interesting way to give character development. But overall it felt sloppy.
I thought this season was terrible. Thematically it was all over the place, the pacing was terrible, it was filled with unnecessary characters, none of the characters had any bearing on the plot, and the end made no sense. Munch thought he had to kill Dots husband as an exchange for saving her (which was a terrible deus ex machina), which made no sense. Then he doesn’t because Dot used her fake Minnesota persona on him. But the whole point of him calling her a tiger was that he knew her true self was this fighter, so why would he buy that fake Minnesota nice bullshit. The show could’ve salvaged itself a bit if he shot Wayne in the face and then took a bite of the corn bread.
This season might be my least favourite but it's not as bad as some comments here are making it seem. Munch in particular is actually extremely consistent as he values debt above all else, that's why he goes back to the house, to cut her the way she cut him. He's just taken aback by getting things with nothing expected of him in return.
@@yggdrasil2 This is exactly how I felt. I don’t know if I agree with every positive or negative critique I’ve seen people say about the season. Part of that reason is because I can’t say I’m too nuanced or adept when it comes to shows or film in general. Honestly with that aside, I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as people give it credit for. I also don’t think it’s nearly as great as people say it is. To me, it had extremely fun and compelling moments mixed in with underwhelming ones. I think it’s a fun show regardless.
All Fargo seasons are all somewhat cartoonishly evil. But season 5 villain is soooo evil he becomes comical😂like Dodd times 10 in season 2. And I find Dodd very funny😂 Regarding the strong female characters, all I can say is they are better than true detective season4😅
Characters are cartoonish and somehow this season has a pattern and a big theme that ties everything together. It used to be about characters. I'm questioning the accuracy of "based on true story"
Well he isn't good either. I mean if you vote Trump you have serious mental problems. Imagine voting for a guy that wants NATO gone when the only country to use Article 5 was America after 9/11. Only Americans can act so arrogantly towards others. USA got help from all NATO allies even though they didn't agree with the invasions. Now you want to run away because you're scared of Putin. Pathetic American cowards.
In my opinion it was almost the best season so far. And then the writer sh*t the bed on the final episode. The writer just couldn't help ramming his politics down your throat, like a pub bore. To quote Hannibal Lector "Tedious, very tedious".
I haven't watched it yet, but at 8:11 is that Jon Hamm's character with his nipples pierced? Lol I hope that's never referenced and just left like that.
I’m in pretty much totally agreement here. I liked the season well enough I guess but it could have been much better if they weren’t trying to jam in their political messages. The subplot with Indiras husband has to be one of the most useless and ridiculous plots I’ve ever seen in a show and I actually laughed out loud when Roy punched his wife in the face while Trump is on the tv in the background like wtf even is this? Also Munch was heavily underutilized and I feel was only there to have a quirky dangerous character like Wrench. The Linda episode was also pretty useless and the season overall became really predictable past like episode 3 I would say.
Jennifer Jason Leigh absolutely crushed that season 5!! Did you see her in Hunters? Freakin amazing. Season 5 wasn't my favorite because it had nothing to do with organized crime as the other four did. I want to see questionably moral people risk it all for a huge payday or death. I like it when the bad guy wins. You can't really like this bad guy because he beats women and that paints you into a corner. I dislike the wizard of oz because I am a 50yr old straight man, so I didn't connect with this Dorothy Lion character. The name made my eyes roll... I didn't feel anything for Dot, and I felt like she put a lot of people in danger and really messed up her husband because she was frantic and out of control. Grandma really saved the season for me. I hope they get back to organized crime. Love to see where Mr Wrench is at...
I haven't seen it yet, but it's on the list. BTW- I'm stunned you haven't watched Mad Men. It is phenomenal. No other actor could have played Don Draper. Jon Hamm was born for that part.
This season had the loosest writing and a heavy partisan political narrative which you basically got right. It actually felt like a democratic fever dream, and lacked realism. Theres no way the dot character (who had no problem gas lighting the whole family) wouldn’t have had a gun somewhere hidden, even if it was disassembled. Also the waiting period when buying a gun doesn’t enhance the back ground check which literally only takes a few minutes. Politicians added the wait period as a supposed “cool down” for someone that would want to use a gun for nefarious reasons 😂 that’s why some states don’t have it. Also I agree I loved season 4.
It wasn't just the on the nose politics that was bad about this season but the writing. Practically everyone was a caricature and there was so many plot holes and conveniences. Its the same reason why True Detective Season 4 is failing. Both just are poorly written.
I really enjoyed this season more than seasons 3 and 4. I find the writing and characters on point. The walk of Roy with Toxic in the background stuck in my head and I also loved the ending with the family and Munch. It definitely was season which had clear represantations of good and evil. All gray parties joined one side at the end. It also has much more sweetnes than bittersweetnes in it than others seasons and I'm all for it.
I have mixed feelings on this season. I started very intrigued. The middle kinda wandered around a bit to much for my liking. Then I enjoyed the last couple of episodes more than I've loved Fargo since season 2 (nothing will ever catch season 1). You're right that the republican/democrat angle was to ham fisted. Some distance would be appreciated, making them metaphorical rather than actual. I especially found the haircut scene a little jarring and immersion breaking. But I did enjoy the abuse survivor narrative and the debt metaphors. I've always enjoyed the philosophy of the show and they hit well for me. My review would be mixed but mostly positive much like season 3
I ended up preferring season 4 over season 5. While season 5 fixes the fundamental structural issues of season 4, it does so by lowering its ambition and just working with the writers room it has (which is a big reason for the strict 45 minute episodes I presume). The pilot is frankly amazing and the first five episodes are very good, but it all fizzles out after that, with Linda being by far the biggest disappointment of the season. Roy Tillmann also just sucks, he's not interesting in any way. VM Varga managed to be captivating precisely because he was so repulsive, what happened to villains like those? Plus, it's not like you need to be a fascist overlord to commit domestic violence, and its taking away from the serious topic it tries to adress. Most of the time, you can't tell who is going to be violent to his wife and who is not, which is what makes it so scary. I much rather enjoy a season that tries to bite off more than it can chew, but gives us East/West in the process, than a complacent season that only tries to do as much as it needs to, and pretends like Fargo magic is something you can just randomly sprinkle on top.
Love the commentary but you need to stop EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW AND GO WATCH MAD MEN. You would have a newfound respect for Jon Hamm's acting in Fargo once you do.
3rd season gets better with every rewatch, just letting you know. It feels like it has the most substantive writing and very open to interpretation. 2nd season is great on the first watch but I honestly don’t care for it much anymore. Particularly I feel the first half is amazing but the second half doesn’t match up. 1st season was great on first watch and stays consistently great on rewatch. I watched the 4th season and didn’t like it. It was interesting enough but definitely a noticeable drop in quality. I haven’t watched this new season but I’ve heard nothing but bad things so I’m not going to - it didn’t pique my interest anyway. For my money, 3rd season is the best and my personal favorite. It’s very allegorical.
I like Season 4 slightly more than Season 3 overall, but the first third of Season 4 is very rough with the tone being all over the place and throwing tons of characters and storylines at you all at once. It really starts to pick up once the US Marshall shows up.
Good point, 2019, and it has a very connection to American Politics, I'm Canadian, but I know so much by being bombarded by their Media and Entertainment. So I like this season, the walk Tillman ( too a remake of Toxic). And the Puppet Show, was cool, despite it not being real. I hate WOKE t.v, films etc. But I rooted for Dot, she was like a fucking Badger, but still Tilllman handles her, I think the identity politics are "flipped" in an ironic way. Trust me if you grew up in North America, you'd feel it more. ( Again I loved the long shot of Tillman, as hes going to kill Dot! ) He got sidetracked but still. Creepy.
I loved this new season holy shit the fact that Dave Foley and the guy from rampage both from uwe bull movies and the political statements that were being pointed out obviously but yes I loved every moment it wasn't as good as 3 or 2 or 1 but it's way better then s4 sorry I just didn't enjoy it as much but that doesn't mean s5 has it's flaws but overall a good return to form in my opinion.
The thing you’re missing from the political angle, and maybe why you feel out of the loop, is because most of us are out of the loop, as well. “Cliche” is absolutely right. It’s basically what a Hollywood writer/producer (obviously left-leaning) thinks a “MAGA” sheriff would be like. We can all agree that that’s about as far from the truth as possible, but they’re projecting their own values and fears onto a “right-wing” sheriff, hoping that others will agree with them. The ratings have proven that wrong. This season was BAD. The writing was off, the action was missing, the politics were just silly. It’s sad that they’ve taken what once was a pretty good show and turned it into a political crap show. You’d think that with all the other recent failures that do the same, they’d have learned their lessons. Oh well, it was okay while it lasted. Maybe they’ll learn one day……..
While I'm against the "all right wing bad" bandwagon that's not to say people like him DON'T exist.. He wasn't a sheriff but my cousin was with a dude who held the same values towards wives as Sheriff Roy and politically was right wing.
Yeah, I’m kinda hoping the next season will be either in the 60s or 90s and go back more to the more hidden meanings and subtexts rather than the showrunner just showing you his modern political opinions. Fargo is at its best when it presents a topic like greed, being power-hungry, etc. and then turning it completely on its head.
Yeah I was really disappointed with this season, it could have been something special but it felt clunky and not well paced at all… what could have saved it was a total full scale battle at the end but we don’t even get to see it, it is just part of the foreground which was disappointed, the whole Ole character was interesting but we didn’t get to see him in action enough and his character just letting go the debt with that goofy smile was just dumb in my opinion, it felt like they put too much emphasis on the political aspect of the story rather than fleshing out the characters enough to actually care about them or the story at hand, it was just all over the place, I would say this was the worst season of Fargo yet
I stopped at episode 5 or 6.. this season is sooo bad written don’t even get me startet… dot is like John wick.. all the bad guys are stupid af.. her husband is a useless dummy… don’t get me startet with the looser husband of the cop. Why is he even in the story? To shit on men? Ok… if the rest would be good but no.. the plot could be decent but it’s ruined by absolute bs characters.. The first 2 seasons was some of the best shows there is.. didn’t watch 3 and 4 yet but season 5 is unwatchable if you got a Brain.
Well Noah Hawley's mom was a 2nd wave feminist so I wonder if that's what it is.. The show needed loser characters to calibrate the balance with characters like Roy. Officer Witt Far and Danish Graves weren't written off as stupid either. Also circling back, this would definitely reflect the tone of the original Fargo movie where the husband is an uninspired lukewarm idiot.
Yeah I thought this season was pretty much a dud also. Among other things, I am disappointed they didn't continue the tradition of interweaving a character or two from previous season into an otherwise standalone story. That part where Dot just drops her kid off at with the cop on the manhunt so she can go have adventures was some of the dumbest shit I've seen in a television show - especially one enjoying all the praise this one is getting.
Whenever I bring this point up on Reddit, people accuse me of "Marvelization" which I find utterly ridiculous. First of all, I don't even like Marvel and I still can acknowledge that building a cinematic universe is an incredible accomplishment that every other studios has miserably failed at. Second, any show can just make homages to the movie Fargo, but only this show has all the characters from all the seasons at its disposal. Not making use of that is squandering opportunities for no reason.
I can't believe you don't absolutely love it. I think this is almost as good as season 1. Ole Munch alone makes it top level. You're certainly entitled to your opinion...I really respect you, but you liked season 4 more? Oh man, anyway. I like your videos as always.
This season was terrible. Juno Temple made it unwatchable. Sorry for Jon Hamm & JJL. Shame. I loved last season. Chris Rock, Jason Schwartzman, Jessie Buckley, Ben Whishaw, Jack Huston, Timothy Olyphant all my favs ⭐️
It’s pretty common (at least in America)these days if a TV show depicts some form of abuse or suicide that in the credits there are resources for someone dealing with those issues. Personally I loved how streamlined and small the story was this season, I expected you to love it and have so much more analysis.
Aside from the orange man bad and white man useless moments I really liked this season. It's definetely better paced than 2, 3 and especially 4, almost as good as 1. Liked all the characters and actors' perfomances. My only real complaint is "it was all a dream lmao" episode, it was really cheap. Also not a big fan of supernatural/surreal side of Fargo, but I guess it's just a staple of the show now
I wouldn’t say it killed Fargo just yet, but the next season might be the make-or-break one. They really need to sit down and write a story that can match the first two seasons.
It fizzled out.....troopers demeanor unrealistic for a black guy in racist middle America. I got Ted Bundy militia vs Gov in 2016. Underestimating Roy was just really Wierd of everyone. I absolutely loved Dot's character.
If u vote for war criminals like Biden (iraq war lies) while pointing at trump (zero war invasions) you are the fascist who is too inept to even come to terms with it.
I kept waiting for some connection to the previous 4 seasons, but it never came or at least I didn't catch it. It's also gotten to the point where you can't watch something for the sake of entertainment anymore. Seems like everything these days wants to preach a political slant.
