So, Is Your Job FUN in FFXIV Dawntrail? 

I dunno, I wish they were clearer about it

@@RinBanana lol I believe he did.

Wish he woulda said something

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Shinryu should have been the summon instead.

​@TFalconwing That would have been awesome! And regular Bahamut should have been upgraded to Golden Bahamut. 😀

@@TFalconwing The sad punch line is it could have been anybody BUT Solar Bahamut.

@@Demonboy007 Solar Bahamut does look pretty cool but it's just so far out of left field when everyone was hoping for things like Ramuh+Shiva+Leviathan, even if they were just a new coat of paint over Ifrit, Titan and Garuda.

Oh and story missions are so underwhelming because everyone keeps calling you the most awesome person in the shard and then you just hit malefic 15 times in a row and that’s all you do

Some? Mate, that's literally every content out of Savage and once you prog it's the same button presses at the exact same time.

This is also a decent one, basically i'm in favour of anything that loosens the current strictness on stack accumulation, for both ends of the player spectrum

just making it so that Despair gives 2 instead of 1, or Despair giving 3 while keeping the F4s would make it more forgiving for people on the lower end of the spectrum since you can lose a F4 or two and still get the required 6. Or Fireparadox/F3p giving one as well. Basically anything that allows the standard rotation to give 7 or 8 thingies instead of it being exactly 6 and you need 6. Making it so that only Firedox and Despair give stuff would make it even more boring imo and has some very high potential to give some very very cursed lines with people only doing transpose, FireParadox -> F3p (for af3) -> Despair -> Flare Star -> transpose -> ice on repeat. Probably a loss but small enough of a loss that some madlad would make it their personal goal to critfarm that into a 99 and all hell breaks lose

@Toad-yv8ko I mean, I guess there might be some cursed tech with cutting out F4s, but at that point, you'd be trading potency for mobility. Making Firedox and Despair each give three would actually allow BLM to have a proper 2 minute burst with Para, Despair, Flare Star, Xeno, Font, repeat.

​@@moogleboy I'm not sure it would be cutting out that much? Despair does more DMG than F4 Flare-thingie does more DMG than F4 Paradox does more DMG than F4 Af3 fp3 is damage neutral so af2 fp3 is a loss but not thaaaat much So as long as you triple your despair+flare into transpose ui1 b3 you'd be surprisingly close to damage neutral I think? 🤔 Either way, I think it would open a door SE double and triple downed to shutting close with making sure there's no chance for anything to slip through. //Edit: wait you wouldn't even need b3 at all because fireParadox + despair is 2400 mana. You could just, after going to 0 mana in fire, transpose -> skip b3 only do B4 -> filler GCD like xeno/thunder for transpose CD -> transpose + fireParadox -> af2 F3p -> despair -> flare-thingie -> repeat LOL. I'd make a waifu-shrine for yoshiP if that happens

If only woulda mentioned it despairge

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I am conflicted personally, just like you, I like current inner chaos because if that whoomp and the "have 10kg of molten rubble" vibe it had, but the new one feel so crunchy It will be a question of time whenever I get used to it or not I think

Can we talk about how I want Inner Beast back instead of Fell Cleave because the WHOMP sound was so much better than the buzzsaw noise?

I love the new animation for Inne Chaos!!

I have been wracking my brain trying to understand, how is it any worse than before? Yeah, mistakes are costly, but if you make one you can just refresh your fire phase again with your free firestarter. I know that it's better to save the proc to transpose into your next fire phase, but if you made a mistake at least you have a recovery tool that isn't casting fire 1.

@@schoolmonkey13 if you drop fire you don't get flarestar; if you drop ice you don't get mp. before you could quickly adjust these mistakes, now it plays like a 123, and what happens if you press 1 3 2? you lose. this rigid nonsense is why it is more difficult and overly punishing for new players. not to mention that it lost virtually any optimization for even just simple play, making it not appealing for higher level players either.

​@@undeadNova You only have 1 spell you need to cast in the 15 seconds after you entered ice, and if you're not casting a spell over the course of 15 seconds, you've got bigger problems. As for dropping fire, sure it's more punishing, but it's always been a disaster to drop fire and now it's easier than ever to keep the timer running since you can refresh instantly, twice per fire phase. So it's not more difficult than it was before, at least on those counts. I really don't know what you mean by "it plays like a 123" either

I personally thought the Astral Arrows stuck around in Ice phase, I think that's where the disconnect is. Losing the new button because you couldn't do 6 is going to be a pain for newbies to the job. I can't count how many times I dropped fire.

@@lightknightgames I just don't think dropping fire is going to be a problem. Both paradox and the firestarter procs are instant ways of refreshing, so as long as you realize your timer is low even a split second before it actually drops you can just cancel your cast and instantly refresh. Sure, if you're really not paying attention and the end of timer sneaks up on you, that's going to suck, but it sucks currently too, and it's harder to manage now than it will be in DT. One thing I will say is that it's going to suck even more before 90. Is that what people mean when they say the skill floor got raised, that it's going to be harder during leveling? Cause I've been assuming they meant at level cap, and I just still don't see how it's any hard to play passably than before.

everybody getting the stomach drop as I remember I forgot to update the title

My job is good because I practice and play it well

Agree, honestly, on a lot of jobs

Also as a MCH main I really don't care much about WF critting or not, it's just a remnant of the past when the job was compiling the damage done within which included crits already, and since it doesnt do that anymore well... yeah. Either way it's just funny numbers, some mild crit raid buff synergy, and doesn't change anything about the job itself. I really, really do hope they'll do something about flamethrower though. And AoE battery. And bioblaster charges.

I'm hopeful for GNB in this regard. They gave us SO much to do in burst that it overflows outside of it and you end up with extra burst strikes to use wherever. PLD also feels this way with your 1234445 combo and your 1231244 combo in between bursts.

Part of what intrigues me do much about pictomancer is that they seem to have a lot of decision points about where to use their long casts in filler to prep. When to move, when to stay put etc

@@raventazmily5908 yes I feel like PCT like BLM is one of those few jobs that seem to actually have things to take care about within their filler.

My overall opinion is that I’m gonna play and enjoy the game regardless, so I try not to get too wrapped up in negativity about the small stuff. That said, I do like talking about it a lot!

how did you know!!!

The problem with aggro management previously was that it wasn't on the tanks to handle it. I don't think effectively removing aggro entirely was the correct decision, but it was certainly the easiest for them to balance and design.

every expansion just seems to show the developers working on healing in 14 have no idea what they're doing, or play them

Thank you for the kind comment! I really appreciate it

This is one of the main reasons I miss stance dancing, it gave you those decisions fairly effectively in older job iterations

@@RinBanana I think one reason stance dancing got nixed was because it eventually became rather pointless, as most comps were able to completely ignore tank stance after the opening periods. One way we could do it in the modern era is give each of the tanks both defensive AND offensive tools to use with their gauge, or change some of their current tools to be so. This would open up great party optimization in prog by figuring out when it'd be better to spend gauge to take less damage than to let your healer or co-tank take care of it. >PLD currently only has defensive tools in its arsenal, but what if it got a 25-gauge spender that, I dunno, gave you Divine Might or something? >Warrior, in contrast only has OFFENSIVE things to do with its gauge, so what if it could spend some of it on a mini-barrier or a Life Surge style lifesteal on your next attack? Maybe make Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash take gauge? >DRK's ACTUAL gauge (the MP bar) has both TBN and Edge/Flood of Shadow, making MP management still somewhat interesting. I always find myself mindlessly pressing Edge when it lights up, only to think "shit, I should've saved that mana for TBN", but that's not to say you couldn't do something with the Blood Gauge, either. Maybe make Bloodspiller/Quietus use your HP and have a separate spender that heals you? Turn Abyssal Drain/CnS from their current boring press-off-cooldown version into this, maybe? >Gunbreaker I'm... sorta fine with being mostly a DPS tank, but since they're supposedly supposed to be staunch protectors, why can't they get an option to shield somebody else by using one of their cartridges? Gunmetal Soul, after all, very clearly has you shooting up a cool shield, and Aurora is like, you firing life energy at someone. Oh, maybe Aurora could become a cart spender? Now that your 2m burst is covered with the Lionheart combo and you don't need those 3 Burst Strikes, carts during your filler are quite free. Of course, this is all assuming that fights will be more dangerous and interesting for tanks to make use of these tools, so obviously these are just random ideas.

You're totally right. And on top of that, tanks in FFXIV have no role, every unique responsibility they used to have has been taken away and nothing had been introduced to replace it. Now all you do is stand there and do your rotation, sometimes maybe you tank swap or pop a mit for a buster, then you resume standing in place and doing your rotation.

This concept existed back in Sb and was removed with the homogenisation of tanks in Shb. Such a shame really. SB was peak design.

That sounds great and all, but in the end what that turns into is either one of the following: 1. The incoming damage requires the mitigation, so your choice is made for you. 2. The incoming damage does not require the mitigation, so now it becomes a healer problem. There's a reason they baked the defensive portion of stances into tanks, and this is it. Your second point about boss positioning is what I think people should be asking for for tank responsibilities, and if we're getting actually reasonably sized boss hitboxes in Dawntrail, I'd like to believe this will be a thing again.

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oh fuck yeah bro you cant exercise your gigabrain anymore monk players were so close to solving the existence of darkmatter

@@undercoverspy123 You sound unreasonably mad about me simply sharing something I didn't like about a job change

Yeah, suppose it makes sense cos AST got a "rework"

yeah, imo a dot that has a cooldown longer than its duration may as well just not be a dot because it's functionally no different from any other glowy ogcd, but us finally getting more options is a good thing and i hope they further expand upon that

all you need are dps buttons to take place during filler moments. The Dot on sage is a good start. Sb had a decent amount of dots most notably on SCH. SE needs to remember that healers are not just healers, they are also casters. Having 11111 for a majority of your gameplay should be inexcusable. What kind of game designer thinks that gameplay is fun and engaging gameplay?

This is kinda funny actually, wild

Thanks man, that's really kind of you gladge

I'm not sure

saaame, Plunge was awesome. I kinda wish if they wanted to remove potency they just made plunge 0 potency

@@RinBanana same! or an extra stun to make sense of the animation

I'll be honest, I use Krasis quite often for one specific thing - E.Diagnosing the tank between trash. If I have Zoe, I tend to combine the two for a shield that's nearly twice as big as the normal E.Diag shield. It's not enough to justify the button's existence, really, and I'd love if it got reworked into something better but I've noticed that trash becomes a little less error-prone with it.

Krasis is the single best button to exemplify the fact that the healer designers have no clue what they're doing. Not only is it borderline useless for Sage, the one healer that it's actually useful for is the one that Sage isn't intended to be paired up with in harder content (SCH), but specifically BECAUSE SAGE HAS KRASIS, SGE+SCH ends up even more of a stupid powerful combo than it would be if they didn't have Krasis. Absolute clown show. The sad thing is, all they have to do to remove that combo and not make the button feel useless is to just make it a personal buff that increases the SGE's outgoing healing.

Aggro used to be a pretty heavy mechanic in the game, and in order to manage it DPS would have (and be required to use) their aggro reduction skills so that the tank could stay in their DPS stance to maximise damage. 95+% of the time it felt moderately annoying rather than an interesting mechanic, and it was especially frustrating when you ran into bad DPS players that just wouldn't use their aggro cuts. There were 1-2 highlights, like healers generating tons of aggro in fights like Neo Exdeath due to the heal check, and the fight having regular aggro resets so you could cover the WHM for the tank buster instead of fighting them for aggro. This was cool, but it was definitely the outlier

@@RinBanana thanks

p10s was a big highlight for me as well

Well now you've got me interested. Any opener that's single-weave compatible is interesting to me since my internet is doodoo.

@@ArceusShaymin Glad to share. I’ll be using the old weaponskill names because I don’t have the new ones memorized, and any empty weave after RoW can be a Forbidden Chakra since the generation is semi-random. Dragon Kick weaving Tincture Twin snakes weaving Forbidden Chakra Demolish weaving Brotherhood Bootshine weaving Riddle of Fire Fire’s Reply weaving Riddle of Wind(This is where that Formless Fist comes into play) Dragon Kick weaving Perfect Balance Bootshine Dragon Kick Bootshine Elixir field weaving Perfect Balance Dragon Kick True Strike Snap Punch Phoenix Strike and Wind’s reply. The final potencies will determine which comes first With no skill speed and single weaves, Brotherhood will fall off between those last 2 GCDs. With a GCD of 1.94 or 1.93, you should be able to just barely sneak that last GCD in with less than a second until it falls off. It’s prioritized this way because Brotherhood’s damage buff is 5% and RoF 20%. If you have to pick one to lose, it’s be the 5.

@@raarasunai4896 Oooh, now this is *tasty.* I've never considered SkS on monk since the job pretty much never really needed it (and the current standard openers had a required double-weave which made SkS feel worse) but with that SkS window being able to sneak in both Pheonix and WReply is nice! Any thoughts on where the new Six-Sided Star might fit with the changes to it and overcapped chakra during Brotherhood?

@@ArceusShaymin six-sided star will probably still be relegated to that one last big hit either to end the fight or to run out of an AoE. The chakra overcap is a welcome change. I doubt it will reach more than 10 in this opener since you spend the initial 5 right before you use brotherhood.

Nobody cares about dungeons, especially the devs.

@@TheOneGreat shame that's 80% of the game isnt it

Its for drk and gun breakers because thats all we did, then we would just do our 1 , 2 , 3 untill we got everything for out short bursts then repeat

I don't struggle with it, and I main AST. There are some I have to get a little creative, but there is definitely enough space for all actions.

I don't have a single job that I find it difficult to set up my hotbars on the crosshotbar. You can have like 40 buttons easily accessible and I think the most a job has might be astro with like 30 something buttons that or samurai. The only job I ever had an issue with was dragoon but that's because of how I set up my hotbars. I usually put single target filler on the right face buttons and the aoe version on the left face but drg has a super long single target rotation I was forced to stick the aoe on the d pad so I could reliably do the normal rotation while moving around.

Controller can feel both constrained and very open depending on how you have settings done. I personally have the L2->R2/R2->L2 (both set up exactly the same for ease of use) extra bars set up purely for dps/tank aoe combos and some commonly used during aoe situation skills and some things like limit break and rescue depending. For stuff like GNB especially it did a ton for cleaning up my bars to better handle the No Mercy window.

I’ve managed to find some good controller strategies and layouts. I’d be glad to share them if you like

I have found it easier to access all my skills on controller than I ever did on keyboard. It allows for 3 full cross bars to be easily accessed at a moments notice, which was far more options than I could reliably hit on a keyboard without having accidentally hitting the wrong skill.

oh shit

I honestly want to replace them all with giant carbuncles. Be the ultimate carbuncle mage Also, that's a very, very large amount of work because you'll have to redo all of the animations to fit for each summon you do... modders can target specific actions, and don't need to design content for all of the other jobs and the entire expansion.

AoE probably entirely ignored in media tour, no job AoE looked updated. For the changes of mp gain, in what level range are you claiming it's worse? Certainly not between 35 and 80, where it will be extremely consistent swapping with blizzard 3 and pressing a single ice spell. Between 1 and 35 it's not like mp gen is good now, and it's largely the same amount gained in dawntrail except far easier to track when your mp will increase. Also thunder management between level 6 and 74 has gotten way better, which makes the rotation much better throughout the leveling experience.

@@AwkwardThursdays mp changes are a bit of a sore point in between pulls in levelling which makes the job awkward until umbral soul. There's the easy solution of moving Umbral soul at 15 and nixing scathe though

​@@neobahumuth6 100% agree umbral soul at a lower level would make it a lot nicer. I just think it's a bit weird to criticize the whole job because of gameplay between 15-30. It's not in a good state at all right now, hell even at 70 it's pretty miserable. I've been running Halatali and Sastasha pretty often as BLM in endwalker and the changes coming sound like they'll be mostly the same kind of annoyances at low level. The insta thunder transposes will more than make up for it imo.

@@AwkwardThursdays it is wierd, but however a modicum of criticque should still be given considering it's a job that starts at lv1 + lv 70 ultimates exists and no uptime now hurts the job more

This is actually how I had hoped it worked after watching the job action trailer before playing, it's a neat way of providing an out for rotational mistakes and also options for higher end players to pull shenanigans with

Oh yeah, that's definitely how it will be played, it's just a shame because almost every other job doesn't need to use a lesser version in opener now

@@RinBananaI’m fine with it physical ranged is the middle child of dps in ffxiv. Even if it is a leaser version it shouldn’t effect overall damage to drastically compared to the other physical ranges in savage and ultimate encounters

I want my nocturnal sect back

Why do so many people struggle keeping people alive in dungeons then?

True and real

SMN main here, my massive 4-head (that is required to understand our 4-minute rotation) will crush you when I Ifrit charge straight into melee range and eat the tankbuster aoe