So you still think lightroll is balanced... 

I think it physically affects me when I see the light running animations on a fully armored player. There's something profoundly irksome about it.

man 3:54 was so fucking clean seriously beautiful sequence he even rolls into the pot but again saved by light roll

No matter what you do, don't look at posts about light Roll on the elden ring subreddit

Ran the numbers in the phantom level calculator. If I did it right, that guy was 504. Truly, and to borrow a phrase from a previous upload, the epitome of a single-celled organism.

You see bloodhound step was never nerfed. It just took on a new look.

THE LIGHT ROLL!! THE LIGHT ROLL IS REAAAL!!!!

10:08 lmao look at the runes the phantom dropped

“Have a fair fight with my over leveled phantom. I definitely wont jump in when hes about to die”

If it takes Jeenine this long to kill such a skill-less player you know it's broken

I like how they dont even bother giving overleveled phantoms the blue symbol anymore. I like how we thought ER was going to have better pvp than ds3 lol.

I think they should make it so characters with heavy armor like this cannot light roll no matter what, and only light armor can

Would argue the bigger problem is the horrible matchmaking and overleveled phantoms. Fact of the matter is, no matter how you nerf it light load should incur as valuable an advantage as high poise. Otherwise what’s the point. From day 1 I’ve actually always thought these overleveled phantoms were the biggest problem. As they exacerbate all other smaller problems 🤷‍♂️

I deal with light rollers all the time As a strength build I like to use colossal weapons which naturally makes me slow, these light rollers will always get kilometers away before I manage to score a hit trading with them (which often deals half health per blow) but that’s only if I can catch them. I decided whenever I see a light load I’m switching spears because it is just cancerous to fight.

That was my first time invading with jee! Although sloppy, but seeing you play in person was wonders! On light roll I use Light roll physick and it's absolutely broken to the point of absurdities. It's literally a free way to NOT get punished by anything or anyone trying to roll punish me, and even ganks couldn't reach me due to the insane distance range it provides. They should nerf it completely and it doesn't matter poise or no it's broken and shouldn't exist in this form

"This game is made for actual --" I love when Jee gets angry lol

"Its gonna be quick" Mans was not lying at the end lmao

Wanna see me light roll? Wanna see me do it again? Wanna see me do it again? Wanna see me do it again? *Bloody finger vanquished*

Elden Ring was one of my most anticipated games ever because I wanted more DS PvP. Couldn't play more than a month and I never thought i'd say this but i'm not buying DLC. The base game is good yada yada but good PvP makes the difference of playing 200 hours to playing thousands of them. Sad

The fact that a player that bad can survive against a player like Jeenine for that long is ridiculous. Also, I just had a thought for countering overleveled phantoms in future games. Have the game save your stats at each level, and when you’re summoned in it literally puts you back at the level you were summoned at. So if you had 60 vigor and 30 endurance at level 120 and 99 in each as a max level phantom, it’s give you those stats that you had at 120. It would literally rewind the clock. Sounds pretty complicated to implement and could create more issues though so I don’t know how feasible this is

2:12 He actually turned of taunters tongue shame. That's the only time I like blues because they can not be over leveled.

I don’t find a problem if you get light roll like you should (I mean using light armor), the problem comes when a Poke spammer with quickstep, full bull-goat comes light rolling at you, that is a real nightmare.

“Run run as fast as you can, you can’t catch me I’m the overleveled lightroll man”

This is why I'm going back to DS3. Will I get my ass kicked? Yea. Better by skilled players than shit ones.

I will never be convinced that light roll in Elden Ring is unbalanced when Dark Souls 1 wood grain ring existed. "here have a ring that gives you half the I-frames of the game's total framerate."

its so sad that the pvp is as equally horribly balanced as the singleplayer is amazing

Imagine being so bad that you're the last 10 seconds of the video fight. Heck, your fight is the end credits it ends so fast.

10:10 so distracted by annoyance attempts estus cancel, I’ve been there

Eldenring should have been a xbox kinect exclusive were everytime u roll u'd have to do a squad all pasive players would have glutes like no other😂

When will Fromsoft fix overleveled phantoms / password exploiting?

"The light roll buff where a fair and balanced addition to the game" Me after realizing that no they arnt using faster animations hack and yes this is the actual speed of light rolls 5 minutes into the video.

Beautiful description on the video, I made me sad that dark souls 3 invasions are pretty much over, but happy that there's a new beginning

Now we all can feel that cursed feeling what JeeNiNe's opponents felt when he was purple-skin and light rolled left and right some time ago

Endurance was a mistake - Running out of endurance forces you to drop offensive pressure, killing the momentum of the fight - Meanwhile defensive use of stamina is practically free with no stacking penalties (rolls should get consecutive penalties like BHS or Sekiro deflects) - Roll speed/s should be tied to armor class (or poise) so durability and agility is a true single axis that can be balanced - PVE balanced around this cursed arrangement, so when they fix BHS they have to break light roll, and nothing will ever work right until PVE changes - Weapons and armor drawing from the same equip load is tacky especially in early game, so heavy weapon enjoyers that rely on trading cannot fit heavy armor, and light weapon enjoyers (and casters) can cheese heavy armor without needing to trade, and the build to light roll in medium armor is the same build to medium roll in heavy armor. The amount of endurance you choose isn't a part of a build, it's not a meaningful RPG attribute choice, it doesn't flavor anything, it just holds you back until it doesn't. The only manner stamina is good design is limiting shield use and oh wait, that's Sekiro's posture system. And bloodborne showed what can be done by giving everyone the same dodge no matter the armor or weapons and throwing out equip load completely. If you want a better action game and also more diverse fashion, you want less RPG attribute fluff creating all these cursed setups. And better balanced PVE.

The host was honorable for the most part. Dual lance is strong but it still takes more skill to use than Dual spear.

Constantly switching the equipment mid fight is pussy like. Real Chad's fight with the stuff they have equipped. It should have a small animation when you want to equip weapons from your inventory.

Double lances and bloodhound step. Aids complaining about Cancer if I ever seen it.

Lightroll is as balanced as my grandpa's scales collecting dust in his attic.

The way you change your fashion on the chase lmao

Overleveled Phantoms is literally cheating Stats, i don't understand some people that defend it. But then again it's always the PvErs, they don't fucking care, they just want to steamroll the game easily. Then they decide to try PvP this happens and they're too stupid to see the problem

Do you think it would be a good idea to remove light roll and instead import DS2's weight system for movement and roll distance? DS2 only had two roll animations, and mid roll distance varied from 10-69% load. iirc even movement speed varied a lot.

finally nerfs bhs, buffs light roll

If that's the case next update rolling needs to consume more stamina

I love light roll builds, but it’s broken. It should definitely give you a boost, but this just turns you invincible.

They buffed panic rolling lmao 😂

This just further made me realize high level builds are meaningless. Light rolling with heavy gear. Not even using the physick. Gross.

Woulnd't Frostbite be the best counter for this kind of player?

I played a light roll+blue dancer build before it got buffed and it was so god awful that eventually i got mad and quit the game lmao. Light roll was especially useless. But now the LR seems to have become, well, a yet another brand of broken. Props to the balancing team

How good is double pikes against lightroll?

Level 503. What a champion.

Wow, im sure you taught them a lesson with those teabags and duel spears.

Yo what exactly is lightroll? Is it just someone having a very light equipload so they can roll faster or something else?

Okay at 9:13 was pretty big brained by the phantom. He couldn’t get over your pressure so he made you drain your stamina by rolling into you a few times, then he ran and got a heal. Other than that he was pretty bad but I gotta give him credit for that.

Got the best song for the kill on that overleveled lol

I just checked, this guy isn't even necessarily overleveled. With full Tree Sentinal Armor and a Scythe you can still get a light roll on a RL125 build. Hero starting class, 81 Endurance, and then add the Favor+2, Great-Jar, and Radagon Soreseal talismans. Boom, lightroll with heavy armor and enough levels left to get 60 vigor. Spend the rest of your levels on strength, equip the starscourge heirloom as your 4th talisman, and you'll have 34 strength. A fire-infused Scythe with 34 strength will still get you an AR of 649 when two-handing. If you harbor no love for yourself, your opponents, or your own mother, this is the build you use.

5:18 Hahaha he wasn't expecting that.

needs the benny hill theme music playing over this

ER is just a madhouse of busted stuff broken stuff. Certain weapon arts that 90% of the community uses, folks relying on poise mindlessly attacking without consequences. Magic in pvp feeling like boss battles. Bleed being the go to build to play while sleeping…the list goes on. ER is meant to be broken. So practice not getting too upset

I dont think light rolling is unbalanced, the tradeoff that's supposed to happen (low protection for greater speed/s) makes perfect sense, but it shouldn't be possible to wear any heavy armor and still light roll, it breaks the whole balance of it. A potential fix I thought of would be if they wear heavy armor but still achive light load through leveling or talismans, they can still have the increased stamina regeneration but lose out on the longer rolls and extra s. If you wanna wear tanky armor, get in there and tank damn you, tanks dont run, they advance or be destroyed.

For a game that prides itself on being an unforgiving but rewarding challenge it sure does like to make op abilities and weapons that completely undermine that idea.

There was a spell is DS1 and maybe DS3 that made people fat roll, wasn't there?

What lv he had?

light roll with light armor and gear = yes fair. light roll with heavy armor and gear using the flask to get light roll = hell no.

I invaded a host and his phantom and they were doing so called "honor duels" where only the phantom fought but he was max level wearing nothing and using sleep bow with max arcane. He tried to say our fight with me being 125 and him 713 was evened out because he had no damage absorption. Max levels are braindead. I eventually convinved the host to duel me and i killed him in 5 seconds with 2 nagakiba rollcatches and a heavy unsheathe.

At what level was the phantom?

That guy was level 503 and probably had close to if not 99 endurance. The extra levels was the bigger issue, cause in theory to light roll at normal rune levels requires big sacrifice. They should make it so light roll is split into 2 versions one that’s the 4.2 metre roll like it is now but requires sub 35% plus either Vyke’s dragon bolt blessing or the crystal tear that modifies your dodge roll at the expense of defence. And a weaker light roll that is about 3.6 metres, so more than medium roll (3.0 metres approx) but less than current light roll and it only requires sub 35% equip weight. In saying that you need black bow or some light bow and have st Trina arrows in one slot and golem greatarrows in the other. You also needed a cold godskin stitcher with chilling mist instead of a poisonous mist one, as a cold proc will reduce stamina recovery. These things are needed to catch light rolls, as the sleep arrow can still proc, and you can’t roll if you don’t have stamina. Personally I use a cold Estoc for this sort of situation. Once you get the sleep proc you can use any pot.

Imagine being overlevel, light rolling, playing passive as hell, turn n burn without risk and still losing. These ppl are just sad.

that's my secret I don't think

in my opinion, the issue seems to lie much more with password summons than with light roll.

As an invader at 150, winged tear is useful in ganks when I don’t wanna use BHS but when it comes to consistent roll spammers, that’s when I have an issue with it, other than that it just takes some outplaying honestly

what do you guys think about more stamina cost for rolls/light roll ? or something other that can nerf rolling, because for me it feels like passiv play rewards waay to much and it makes the fights boring and annoying.

What the hell, you can't just attack the host while he's letting you 1v1 the phantom.

Jesus at 3:58 that was too sick

I fought a team in the arena of a bleed build using mohg spears and a light rolling mage. It was as frustrating as it sounds. The mage could stall you with light roll if you were on them long enough for the bleed build to turn and both double team, but if I didnt stay on the mage, the mage would use 1 shot spells on my team mate and I. Pure cancer. That mage would have been farmed without light roll.

Hovy did a good job there

Wheres the ds3 duel charm when you need it eh

You can use light roll to counters light roll , why not?

they should do something for someone who play heavy roll. like idk maybe additional poise?

That phantom was one of the most annoying kind.

Bro is your character named junya or junyapants? I think I got invaded by you tryna run duels in limgrave and kept telling my coops to stop ganking. You had Duel lance once and cleanrot another. I was naked with bloodhound knight helm and Glaive halberd

Level 500 had the jumping rabbit. This game is badly balanced and needs some fine tuning.

guy's a lightroll marathoner

This game is designed for 😿 ive been saying this since day 1😞

The tears will be beautiful when light roll is finally nerfed and people’s crutch is gone.

“This game is made for pussies, like seriously. The game is designed for actual pussies!” -me light-rolling away from two fingers & the host in full Bull-Goat armor spamming aow’s with huge aoe

Really wish instead of light roll they brought back mid roll

If you can’t beat ‘em, join em.

i still stand by light rolls for pve.....my lvl 1 barbar-Iain needs it

You can tell hes bad by his jump attacks while running away he doesnt even unlock so he can turn around mid jump

Hello im a new player can someone explain me what is going on? Is he abusing something?

“Over leveled damage” what a fool thing to say in a game where you can only pvp within certain level brackets…passwords allow a workaround for the level brackets but the game nerfs the “over leveled” player(s) to the level of the host. Obviously not a 100% perfect nerf for all weapons, spells and any talisman combos you can come up with; but the outliers are few and the extra damage they may get-from the nerf not working to the approved standard-is negligible. If their damage is high: they’re either hacking or they have buffs you’re not aware of🤷‍♂️

I think the roll should be determined by the type of armor you wear rather than your total weight ratio.

TLDR: Elden Ring mid rolling goes less distance than ds3 and so do all weapon attack animations. Mid rolling also feels terrible and like you’re almost rolling in place on a conveyor belt. Light roll stayed the same and is god awful with this reduced mobility. Also combat feels clunky, unresponsive, floaty, slow, and fast all at the same time? Playing ds3 again I noticed something . . . Elden Ring mid roll actually goes LESS distance than Ds3 mid roll, but the light rolls are around the same. This is absurd for both pve and pvp. Firstly, light roll should never go that far. Secondly, in pve Elden Ring requires a lot more distance in the dodge department to reliably dodge boss moves that otherwise are literally IMPOSSIBLE to dodge, but then why was the mid roll range reduced? Ds3 never required that kind of distance, as all of the boss moves have the appropriate hit frames to be dodged with mid roll regardless. So why does ds3 mid roll further, but even more interestingly, why is it easier to roll catch in ds3 if the mid rolling is longer distance? Well, if you look at ds3 animations, OH MY GOD, the amount your character steps forward and takes initiative compared to Elden Ring is astounding. Also the speed of you weapon coming out of the initial startup animation is faster and more responsive/ “weighty”. This overall makes Elden Ring pvp a nightmare in comparison, and same for the pve. Weapons in Elden Ring on average have longer range, but all the movesets have far less mobility and distance forward when attacking. This combined with the lower mid roll distance is ok, but still detrimental, and especially in pve, but when you get to LIGHT ROLL, nah. It’s just over. And also if you go from ds3 to elden ring you will notice that elden ring combat feels less smooth, almost clunky or when smooth, still “floaty” for this reason, as your moves are almost always slower during the hit portion of the animation and don’t go far compared to ds3, and so it feels more static, despite the implementation of jumping and crouching, which is a huge boon for faster weapons, as they get to play against more limited movesets, and is horrible for larger weapons, or even like just a medium sized weapon such as a Claymore, all of which effectively have reduced range and motion, plus an awkward “floatiness” compared to ds3. In fact you can even see it with Jeenines running attack with the Star Fist. It moves in a way that is “floaty”, although I am not the ones putting in the input so I may just be being biased. This can also be seen with the rolling animations, wherein Light roll going too far makes you feel weightless (duh), and mid roll being so static makes it feel like you’re almost spinning mid air with slight forward momentum. “Floaty”. The jump attacks in this game also feel this way. The jump animation is just odd. You glide straight upwards, and to go further you must be running, and I don’t know about you but that set of inputs is always a spectrum of input eating or lagging that is annoying for me. With colossal weapons the jump attacks themselves feel both at the same time slow and unresponsive, but also awkward and again “floaty”. Other weapons simply go on a spectrum of that to being fast and floaty. And this isn’t even mentioning the dmg or other balance issues. Also if you disagree and feel like Elden Ring pvp isn’t static, clunky, and “floaty” vs more ds3 smooth and reliable then note I am playing it on a base ps4, and so the fps is almost always also choppy and below 30, which may account for how horrible my input lag and eating issues, as well as move-set and rolling chunkiness issues as described above, are, but I don’t think my fps is solely, or even mostly to blame. If by some chance you’ve read this comment, buried amongst others and like Guts’s sword much too thick, rough, and long, and haven’t experienced any of this on higher FPSs then please tell me so I can begin to assume its an FPS issue.

G9 scuffing into a one-hand lance r2 only to see the lightroller a football field away afterwards is priceless XD

I fine with light roll as long as it is not natural

This guy is a turn n burn npc i swear

Lightroll = Social Distancing.

and this is why I hate playing Elden Ring after grinding it for 1500+ hours

The problem is that light roll is balanced in PvE. It's something that can't be easily changed in PvP. The real problem here is that a summoned phantom has heavy armor and is light rolling. Password phantoms should have their actual stats downscaled. Meaning, if you want to summon someone who is a way higher level than you, they will have to change their armor, spells, and weapons to things they can now wield. This will make it so that at any reasonable level, nobody will be light-rolling with heavy armor. If they are light rolling, it will be because they had to take a heavy sacrifice to health, defense, and damage.

in my opinion these ganks are even more pathetic than regular 2v1ers because they only gank when the other one is about to die, lame as hell

This looks painfully unfun to fight against