Social Media Vigilantes "Hunt" Predators | Dangers of Self-Appointed Religious Fanatic Vigilantes 

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Good riddance

"A self...[UUP-ointet] and self...[PROOO-claimed]...district attorney who frequently elected to make use of the.........[VAH-mit] emoji.🤮"

probably why it ended tcap. cant have them catching important people!

It was the district attorney's sister who filed a lawsuit and won, what caused the show to be cancelled.

Awesome 👍

No violence…impressive Solid evidence and convictions fantastic! Keep up your great methods

Way to go, gotta catch em all! Go get em hunters... never stop hunting!

I have a lot of respect for the vast majority of UK teams. They do a huge amount of good, despite the ridiculously lenient response of the law, even upon conviction.

Unless they are Muslim….then they just go free right? In the uk?

As an Englishman, this humour is just normal speech 😊

Me too! 😂

@@RaferJeffersonIII British humour is best humour!!!!!!!!!!

I'm pretty sure his jokes are his way of letting people know not to take his vids too seriously and to protect himself from lawsuits.

The police do not dictate what programming NBC airs.

No. The district attorney's sister filed a lawsuit against NBC and local law enforcement, and won, therefore cancelling the show.

THANK YOU

This dude is controlled opposition, or just suffers from severe cognitive dissonance. Maybe even both.

And you shouldn't

And Later HANSEN GOT CAUGHT TOO; he was a grifter and cheater. It Used to be in some societies you could be put to death for THAT. He was so creepy like he was some high Lord sitting above everyone licking his chops.

@Predator Catchers PA ShAFiQ

*most* of the people committing SA crimes know that they are doing so……they just don’t care who gets hurt in the process.

@@TCoyTheDecoy As opposed to OTHER criminals....who care so much? Are you kidding?

@@robertgiles9124 no but it is possible to be unaware of laws that exist. But everyone knows touching is illegal & wrong. Yeah some people do care like the ones that kill their abuser. They care about stopping them. And technically they are a criminal but also a low key hero… IMO… since u asked.

@@GilaMonster971 hiiiiii! 👋

The vigilantes don't care about justice. That's why they practice on what to say and what not to say to avoid getting punished on their own wrong doings.

These people aren’t vigilantes, they don’t punish these people, they expose them. They’re essentially a private investigators. If they were vigilantes, we probably wouldn’t be seeing their videos on RU-vid

Well, the point your making would again depend on a person's perspective and their own personal biases. You say that "vigilantism is an example of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice systemc", however, others might say that our justice system already engages in over-reach with overly powerful prosecutors and a society that relies too heavily on incarceration.

Agreed 👍

Your completely right, and there's so many pedo apologists an criminal forgiving weirdos now I totally expected responses like the ones above...

No. It doesn’t help the predator.

@@PositiveMommaLife wtf is your profile 😂😂

They call the cops and turn over evidence actuallu

High schoolers are fools. They have no idea how the world works or what's good for them. I was a fool in hs and every girl I knew was a fool too.

My boyfriend was 38 and I was 16. Now my bf is 36 and I am 56!

I was sadly one of those girls. Groomers do a lot of love bombing & have the upper hand due to high-schoolers being so pure & naive.

I picture them as jazz rap group from the 90s.

@@kauswekazilimani3736 like Digable Planets, Tribe Called Quest, or Arrested Development?

@@DreamingInTechnicolor Black Sheep, De La Soul 😂

@@kauswekazilimani3736 or almost anything touched by J Dilla!

@@kauswekazilimani3736 Mad Villain

Sounds like we need more vigilantes.

So true Ryan! He couldn't even get the predator's name right. This former officer chose to go to a jury trial and was CONVICTED. If he had actually researched the topic and PCI, his opinion on predator catchers might change. Someone has to protect the children!

alex is massive sociopath!!!

alex is the best by far but he's also a shit person and i'm convinced he only does it to have fun destroying peoples lives in a legal way. i dont think he really cares about catching preds.

I disagree that money is the "main" motivation. Many of these guys were childhood victims or have family members who were. Most of them started this part time to seek justice, but found that there are so many creeps that they started doing it full time, necessitating income to keep going

Where we can find those shows to donate to them? I dont care if they do it for money, if they can help the good people is totally fine anyways is a job and it deserves to be paid

@@ArkaraValtare3729 predator catchers muncie, lc predator catcher, people v preds, gordon flowers, pp toronto, protect the innocent...those are a start.

That's literally 5 words though...

Roleplaying* Chatroom*

You look like law enforcement, and I know law enforcement. Lol

@@kristenjustkristen9462 Hey, I don't wanna be on TV dawg. 😁

I’m sorry but if one of my friends fathers had put his hands up my skirt when I was 15, I don’t care if he was drunk or not, that would’ve traumatized me or any other young teenager who trusts that the parents of their friends won’t see them like that. Not saying I agree with burning the man’s house down, but you don’t get to stick your hands up your teen daughters friends skirt, and not face consequences.

Jesus said, "whoever offends these little ones, it is better that a large stone was tied around his neck and he were cast into the sea." Alcoholics don't get a pass.

@@jessica_jam4386 Don't be sorry Jessica. You are completely right to say exactly what you said and the perfect person to say it.

“Not far up,just above the knee”. 😮 The Justice system tried and convicted and punished him. What people took upon themselves to do to him was wrong. I am glad that 15 year old he assaulted was not silenced and forced to live with what was done to her without any justice.

Thanks for the good news!

Good comment

@@AlphanumericCharacters You kidding, right?

Predator catchers have clout, money, bias, and poor judgment to have them make similar mistakes. Nobody likes peds but the fact is what these people do 9/10 isn't helpful and could become dangerous. I've also seen a few "bloopers" of different channels accusing the wrong person. The loud public shaming battle cry isn't as helpful as they think it is. We all know how TCAP ended and I feel there's very little reason for one of these people to point the gun at others before themselves. I'm not defending predators but I don't think investigations should be handled by random folk with no authority or training

@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne how effectively has it protected kids? It let's a bunch of people on the internet know that someone might be a potential predator. I'm positive people in real life aren't gonna take the person holding a phone to someone's face yelling "he's here to meet a 13yo boy" as seriously as you think.

@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne Glad to see wit and logic are on your side, when a conversation hits a dead end it's always nice to accuse the other side of a heinous act instead of thinking about the real world applications of vigilantism. You'll never be the punisher, the closest you'll get to is William Foster. You can't see past punishing bad people when you're meant to be protecting innocent kids. Eb homeless or jobless is a punishment but I don't think it really stops them from offending, even TCAP had repeat offenders

The good doctor hates Trump and Religion. He has bad TDS. He is too smart for that. At least he thinks so.

Were you in America? The kookiest religious folk ruin all sorts of things in America.

@@forallthestupidshit3550 Seems America has gone 100% woke. I don't mix religion or politics with the need to persecute or expose child predators like Hunter and his Dad.

“They” have changed? What does that mean? As if “religious” people are a single bloc huh. Wow just wow

non of these catchers are doing it for religious morality reasons

@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne you’re missing the point they say they’re all about saving kids

Tbh as long as they catch the guys, I don't care if they're motivated by selfish reasons.

"mostly because of the murder part..."

One should always make jokes when discussing vile men that fuk kids. Laugh cry emoji....sooo funny!

@@neighbor472 they are in the most minuscule minority then. As the original comment pointed out, many are not trained, do not conduct proper investigations, do not understand entrapment, and end up making sure nothing can be done in court against these predators.

Law enforcement isn't even well-trained enough to be trusted to apprehend people -- why should we trust any other rando violent people who are on a crusade to be any better?

Many of them do work alongside lae enforcement. They have a big book of evidence that they give to the reasoning officers. From there it is up to the officers to decide if they want to just let the pxdophiles roam or do something about it. Typically they just let them roam. Really sad we as a country don't just lxnch these people.

@@forallthestupidshit3550 Yet they still do more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government which is content to sit back and let children be abused so long as they have their power and mountains of our stolen tax money to play God with.

Proper training? These people need a shrink more often then not, you wouldn't want them working with law enforcement (who could often use shrinks themselves).

LOL

This! I literally just left a comment that echos very similar sentiments. How Dr. G manages to put out so many of these blows my mind. I’m assuming he has some sort of private practice/clinical job , a family and life, he may even teach classes too- a lot of psychiatrists/mental health professionals also teach college courses here and there too…and he still manages to release well researched high quality videos more often than I change my damn socks. 😂😭

Ah! Another analysis (I like it!)

The speed in which these videos are produced could also signify a gap in research. Grande is making sweeping claims about an entire group of people based on the actions and persona of one pred catcher. I think the Dr could have watched a few more predator catchers.

@@Breakstop It definitely would’ve been interesting had he covered other predator investigations for sure. I at first thought there would be a bit more on him talking about to catch a predator the show because that’s what I originally requested. But still, I’ll take what I can get I guess.

@@Breakstop agreed. He seems like he's probably a really smart guy in other contexts, but you can't just read a few articles and think you have your finger on the pulse of what you just read.

FEY...I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR PERFORMANCE

RU-vidrs are making money too. Police do their job. I've watched a lot of both tho 🤷‍♀️

It's ok if it's a ego trip that doesn't hurt anyone and saves the lives of innocent children. Would you rather the vigilantes not take the risk and let child offenders run free? As an aspiring father myself, I'd prefer decoys and vigilantes doing what they do, regardless of their ego trip if it helps put creeps behind bars.

It depends on their actions. I went on two coupes in my late teens. Nothing recorded. Just confrontation and fights. But it turns out to be hearsay because the guy was messing with a group member’s ex. But regarding vigilantes there’s more than just pedo vigilantes. There’s all sorts like ones that seek out drug dealers and ones with many free time who seek out commentators. If you look up Myron may, he had dealt with the commentator one.

I agree, it’s an ego trip, and a self-righteous one. I don’t side with the targets of these vigilantes, but Dr. G is right - the second these guys pick on a target their own size, or one that is truly unhinged, it’s gonna end badly for everyone involved. While I’ll admit these guys provide a certain level of schadenfreude-style entertainment, they ultimately accomplish nothing.

Nah it’s fine he was just gonna take her hunting after dinner.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The undercover group got lucky! He could have opened fire on then

@@robd1329 seriously 😳

Pedophile catchers cannot "operate with impunity", the law obviously applies to them too, I don't know where you got that from. Your story is irrelevant to the morality and acceptability of people tricking and calling the police on pedophiles who believe they are meeting children.

@@maitiucibhleachain5139 I was merely pointing out that the Police often get tunnel vision when it comes to getting a conviction. The vigilantes are also often people who employ tunnel vision, usually because of warped religious beliefs, as pointed out in the video.

@@robg5958 I have watched tons of videos of pedophiles being caught attempting to meet children, many are quite long as they wait for police to arrive. The majority I've seen have been from the UK, but a good few from America too. Not one comment made in any of those hours of footage I've was about religion in any way. I have never seen pedophile catcher I thought was doing what they were doing because of their religion. "usually" - gonna need a source for that. This seems to be a ridiculous stereotype, and even if people were inspired by their faith to catch those attempting to meet and r*pe children, what's the problem in that being an inspiration for such a public service?

Ha!

I watched a few of this guy's videos in the past and they seemed credible, but recently he's gotten more and more on the extreme left with his Trump Derangement Syndrome, theophobia, and acceptance of creepiness.

Then the chat log would become part of the court record. Don't be so surprised.

That's rich.

Yeah but we want to get rid of them, that includes carriers to get rid of them properly. If there’s no evidence for them to get arrested, that could be misinformation or slander. I mean if you wake up the next day and everyone calls you a pedo, how would you feel? A lot of anger and scorn.

Not at All

Chris Hanson was one guy who came unstuck with his program "take a seat".

Maybe that's ok as long as creeps are arrested and no actual children are involved. Profit and passion aren't mutually exclusive.

@Sky L They're innocent until proven guilty. If a vigilante is willing to risk their life for a child, that's admirable, regardless of the potential financial gain. Nothing good comes without potential risk.

As long as they catch perverts who really cares

@@MiguelDLewis absolutely however in a lot of cases like this they have evidence in advance and then perverts showing up after making plans to have sex with children so there's really not much that needs to be done except a bullet

Amen!

@@LocutusOfWarborgOneOfOne ruff ruff!

It worries me that YOU are worried that pdf catchers are becoming MORE prevalent. That is really, really worrying.

Sussy comment. Stay away from kids please

@@adulthumanfemale8666 maybe she is worried that crimes of this nature online is what is increasing?

@@adulthumanfemale8666 the problem with hunters is they can completely ruin a case against a potential predator if they step out of the bounds of the law.

The district attorneys should allow illegally obtained and unreliable evidence in court?

@@MrAerohank "illegally obtained and unreliable" how so?

@@MrAerohank no, I said it’s up to the district attorney to use evidence by these groups, it’s not up to the police.

@@MrAerohank The evidence was so ,,illegal'' that the predator was convicted based on them :)

Soul sucking talent lol

Seriously, I'm surprised this video made the cut.

Handle civilians who catch pdfiles? Why not?

To Catch A Predator has a dirty secret; NBC doesn't want you to know that after the T.C.A.P. arrests, judges and DAs dropped a significant amount of the charges. That fact was brought to light by a competing network, ABC. ABC dug in and found out that DAs and judges had problems with the way evidence was collected by non-police entities-NBC Television and Perverted Justice. The police played too small a role, compromising chain-of-custody, and were often just the muscle that tackled the sickos as they left the decoy houses. When evidence is gathered by a TV network motivated by ratings and ad revenue, it gives defense attorneys ammo to prove the network was biased in favor of landing the arrest footage.

@@PrettyFLY4aWiFi. those aren't new, I don't think. I think the suicide of that one guy made the networks drop the show due to liability.

@@forallthestupidshit3550 Nah others offed themselves too. He was just a rich, important assistant DA.

@@MiguelDLewis I didn't remember he was an assistant DA. OOF! So does that mean that they are seriously still making new ones? I thought Hansen said they were done when I saw him on YHM, fairly recently.

Chris Hansen is rolling out a new show in November

I'd have to agree. Phunter007 is more tame then the others.. he does get worked up and prolong the videos sometimes tho .. but he seems to be chiller then most

First time and young age means nothing. The life and health of an innocent child is more important. You know that the world has morally gone down the drain when we have "false compassion for perverts" as Bishop Fulton Sheen put it. Next, we'll be blaming investigative journalists who expose Catholic priests...

@@eternalrewind2190 I'm so scared for him. I don't even live in Canada but I admire him so much. People like him prove that the world isn't just an unchecked free-for-all

@@neighbor472 yeah that's the one. I'd have to admit if it were me "stinging" these guys it would become a much more extortion/slavery/blackmail type relationship rather than an interview

Chet Goldstein/Alex/Gordon ia my favorite

Those groups are about exposure. There's not handing out justice.

Hi Rejane - Children must be protected. But the psychology of these predators is so very sad! They seem to be very resistant to any treatment and re-offend! They can't be allowed to endanger kids but how to stop them in time is so problematic! We need better resources but I don't know what they are?🤔😓

@@bthomsonWe definitely need more resources to protect our children. However, I do think that mental health treatment is the cure to so many ailments in society. If we had more easily available resources such as mental health counseling and psychiatric consults, maybe we would have more stability in the overall population and less crime.

His deadpan delivery of jokes is one of my favorite parts of his videos. I think one of the first videos I saw of his was about a dad that killed his kids (or something like that,) and Dr. Grande ended up saying something like "thereby temporarily suspending his campaign for father of the year to do this..." I subscribed immediately.

Have you watched this podcast on RU-vid (or listened elsewhere?) They have several different Playlists (so you get an understanding if the podcast will be discussing a serial killer, or some kind of wild conspiracy, and so on. I believe on of those playlists is named "the killing part" (and obviously it's the playlist of the podcasts on high profile killers). Just thought it was a clever name and I noticed it immediately.

Most of these dudes are larping clowns

Children are the winners.

The creep catchers are doing more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government, but then again you got to think the federal government is infested with pxdophiles who are just trying to look out for their own kind. Look at uncle Joe and his rxpe showers and comments about him being 30 and "her" being 14. Imagine living in the timeline where we elected a pxdophile.

the winners are the preds. these idiots mess up and current or future investigation. now the pred nearly has to be found with a live boy or ded girl. to get anything to stick.

IMHO, in terms of character traits, many of them are grade a creep material themselves. That said: At least they don't really harm non-creeps.

Have a word with yourself and stop feeling sorry for predators! Of course they feel a sense of winning, these stings are hard work and horrible but what keeps them going is the hope they will catch the man who is trying to abuse children. They deserve a medal. There is a few prominent groups in the U.K. who have had excellent success and have been on TV etc. As long as they are organised and do not break any laws or harm the abuser and let the law deal with them. No sympathy for them. This isn’t a “both sides” thing.

Heavy sack beatings are up a whopping 900%

Eventually one of them is going to get killed. Chris Hansen and his qualified security personnel (and present law enforcement) knew how to handle potential dangerous situations. These wannabe vigilante guys however tend to deliberately be provocative.

Everyone in this comments section is misusing the word “vigilante”

"get a confession on camera to show the cops" seems like pretty easy moral justification

They're the same sort of disingenuous clout-chasers you get with "First Amendment audit" videos.

We ruin the predators' lives so badly that it often doesn't matter if they go to prison or not. After we perform these stings, their friends/family often abandons them, their wives leave them, they get fired from their jobs, etc. So it often doesn't even matter if they go to jail or not. One of my guys is also getting charged by the state.

Just a correction, you don’t need someones consent to record them, and that wouldn’t make it inadmissible in court. You may be confusing the state by state idea of one party/ two party consent, but that only applies to recording a conversation over the phone, not walking up in public and recording an interaction

@@Tortilla.Reform yep, it's 100% legal to record anywhere in public in the United States.

@@troyevitt2437 The only difference here is that some people doing those first amendment audit videos have caught aggressive and corrupt police officers. Those auditors only exist because police can abuse their power and trust, and society inherently takes their word

Third degree murder.

Very interesting case!

Hello beautiful replied to your message. Poor Steve the addict that broke his arm was wearing brass knuckles on his fingers 😣❤💙💙💙

I’ve never seen a group with huge egos and I follow a lot of these channels. You could argue the police would also be untrained yahoos as they would most likely be thrown on a 1 week course as “training”. These catchers focus solely on predator hunting, see it as a specialty which they get better and better at the more they do because that’s all they do. Police have a much broader scope on what they cover and are busy enough as it is on a day to day basis. So you could actually argue - “a jack of all trades is a master of none”

@@montana6489 As Dr G said they make many mistakes. Good intent doesn't always mean great outcomes. They have no law degrees and could wrongly set someone up/cause them to go to jail.. They are mostly yahoos. Bringing cops issues into this is off subject and deflecting.

@@cottontails9003 Hi beautiful back. Didn't see your other reply. Will try to find it😊💙🧡💙🧡💙🧡💙🧡

@@zenawarrior7442 How many current pred catchers have been convicted of setting someone up? How many?

Arrest or not, isn't it a somewhat off-putting experience?

Where is your evidence that any investigation was ever derailed by these people?

They often do get arrested. What are you talking about?

Which ones were you watching? There are plenty of channels wherein the people are almost always arrested and convicted.. Try Colorado Ped Patrol or PP Southeast Texas

@@Sloimer maybe so, I was just talking about the ones that I watched though. And even when arrested, that doesn’t mean convicted, and you know that their lawyer is gonna try their damn hardest to claim that the evidence should be thrown out because of things like entrapment and unethical/messy investigations, and often times they would be right.

Please educate yourself on the definition of entrapment.

We are all suffering since Sam O'nella Academy stopped uploading videos.

@@bast4rdlyreaper never heard of that. Thanks for the recommendation!

What was well-done about it? Grande just basically talked about the potential risks based solely on conjecture. His opinion is completely uninformed here. He's catastrophizing and being merciful to those who abuse mercy.

@@MiguelDLewis how do you figure that the risks he mentioned are based on conjecture? Are you sure that's the word you mean to use? Also, how do you figure that his opinions are uninformed? He outlines the information on which he bases his opinion throughout the video.

@@MiguelDLewis also, how do you figure that kid-diddlers abuse mercy? Who has ever shown a child diddler mercy (except Jesus, and that doesn't count because he's not real?)

@@forallthestupidshit3550 All very good questions. Allow me to answer them in order: "how do you figure that the risks he mentioned are based on conjecture?" There's no case of a pred catcher being harmed after doing the work they volunteer for. For example, Eric Schmutte was completely safe and managed to get the predator cop arrested without being harmed. If there was a history of pred catchers being harmed, Grande would have grounds for his concern about the well-being a pred catchers. Also, these people obviously know the risks for the most part. If they didn't, they wouldn't work with police and they would try making a citizen's arrest. "Are you sure that's the word you mean to use?" Yes. "Also, how do you figure that his opinions are uninformed? He outlines the information on which he bases his opinion throughout the video." His opinions are uninformed because they're not based on any solid evidence. There's no evidence of pred catchers ever being harmed. There's only evidence of preds harming themselves, as was the case of Assistant District Attorney Lewis William Conrad Jr. "also, how do you figure that kid-diddlers abuse mercy?" Because many are repeat offenders who return to their old behavior even after making bail for a previous arrest or serving their sentence. Jeffrey Dahmwer himself was arrested multiple times for child offense charges prior to his more extreme encounters, to say the least. "Who has ever shown a child diddler mercy..." Spirituality aside, giving a child predator the opportunity to post bail is an act of mercy within itself, if not complete incompetence on the part of the judge. Many seek more children to harm while out on bail. Examples include Michael Seibert (the oops predator) and John Kennelly (McDonald's predator); both of whom reoffended immediately after being caught by Perverted Justice.

And witty!