You mean to say this ISN'T how I'm supposed to play the game? I always throw my starter away and grind a geodude to a level 100 graveler with his only attacking moves being self destruct and explosion before fighting that rocket grunt. That explains why I thought the game went downhill from there.
Well quite honestly there is another way to escape. With better odds. First encounter wild lvl 5 or higher pidgey and waste mudsport till it hits you 6 times with sand attack then attempt missing self destruct 5 times. (Due to odds still being against you you want to set up this checkpoint when you're there. If you fail no biggie just rince and repeat from the start) After you've done that flee the battle and save. Then repeat the whole thing with mudsport and explosion. (On fail restart to the save) Once you've wasted all selfdestruct and explosion PPs find wild kakunas and safcons to waste your remaining PPs on. Then beat the grunt with struggle and move on and struggle out the Nerd. And by then youre able to move tutor your graveler mega punch to just continue the game till it's finish
@@kevinniemann8218 He addressed that in the video. Even if it misses you still faint. You definitely need to watch the video before trying to be a smart ass.
This one is actually pretty easy to escape because of a feature in FRLG that you've overlooked. On the Mt. Moon floor in-between the first floor and the floor with the Rocket Grunt, Tiny and Big Mushrooms are hidden items in the rocks. These mushrooms have a chance to regenerate after taking a certain number of steps. You can sell these to obtain money with which you can buy Poke Balls, catch Pokemon, and escape. Since they are infinitely renewable, there is no way you can trap yourself once you have access to Mt. Moon and before jumping the ledge to Cerulean.
Ursine Maximus Imagine being so stuck up you get mad someone used a different word. It happens a lot, most meme formats themselves use the wrong words.
I'm just imagining somewhere some five year old bringing the game to their older brother and saying "I'm stuck, help me get past" and they've somehow managed to get themselves into this scenario
@@Charles_Anthony what are you talking about? start a new game, get all the way back without letting your brother know and bullshit your way through his many questions. "how did you get pokeballs?" "oh you know, i used a celfairy to get money........"
"At least with this one, it happens so early that starting over is barely a problem at all" - Pikasprey, who has spent probably literally cumulative DAYS engineering this situation.
@@Dryicelegendsofhero the venasaur was at a convincing level for the graveler to hit lv100. Even if he used rare candies, he sure put a lot of thought into the situation. More likely had an emulator to speed up the battles
@@fatuusdottore Any rare candies they found on the ground yeah. I always see people who say things like "No way he grinded that much. Probably hacked in the rare candies himself."
@@shellshockedbros4458 I mean there'd be no reason to do the grind. He could do it, he seems like the type crazy enough to, but honestly, why would he? He can get the same footage so much easier, and without putting in days of effort.
As fascinating as these videos are to me I cant help but hear "I cant decide whether this can be considered a flaw on the game's part" and not think "QA cannot account for flaws in the base human nature of the player"
No one gonna mention he just grinded a Graveler to lvl 100 before end of Mt. Moon, you know how long that shit would take, dedication to you my friend!
If you’re curious: The chance of being fully paralyzed for at least 177 out of 231 turns is the sum from n=177 to 231 of (231 nCr n)*(1/4)^n*(3/4)^(231-n)... ...which is about 1.204*10^-60. And that’s not even considering the extra RNG factors.
Question: does a pokemon lose PP if it loses a turn to paralysis/confusion (I tried to look it up onlibe but couldn't find it and I don't have a gen 3 game so I can't try it out myself :
you probably could've just done it at level 62, when graveler learns its last level-up move, but you madlad, you actually brought it all the way and i applaud you
Also level 62 makes the escape harder since graveler has to survive so many turns it is unlikely to even win at level 100. So he would have to grind wild pidgeys with that graveler to escape.
I did the same thing with a Wurmple before the first gym in Hoenn recently. Then I played through all of the game with it up to Phoebe, and I was all hyped to finish and do a giant video on it... and my dad's girlfriend has lost the DS with the cartridge in it. Yikes.
Asprey: catches whole boxes of zubats and rattatas Me: okay... Asprey: trains a graveler to lv 100 before misty Me: You're insane! Asprey: does all of that with slow text speed Me: YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN!
If pika really goes through all this effort to setup a softlock, I would prefer he just cheat the setup. The time it takes to prep would be better used for his own free time or more videos. Inb4 people crying about legitimacy. The setup isn't supposed to be a challenge. It is the preset before the real juice of the video. The softlockpicking should be legit though.
"At least it's early enough in the game that you can start over" Go fuck yourself. I raised a graveler to 100 and for the second half I was swapping in and out
You basically created a "How to make that one Team Rocket grunt feel better about himself" video as he infinitely beats a level 100 Graveler. If he knew how to swap his Pokemon out, he'd be the best member of Team Rocket in no time.
Then the next one would be going back in time after learning the ins and outs of the game and teaching people how to get soft locked before the game existed
"Just take an ordanary pair of pliers and your pokemon cartridge and use the pliers to bend the contacts of the cartridge and congratulations you have effectivly ruined a perfectly good pokemon save file.
Some people are casuals Some people do nuzlockes Some people do randomizers Some people do shiny hunting Some people are competionists *BUT ONLY ONE PERSON WANTS TO TRAP THEMSELVES IN A GAME* Guys chill I made this comment over a year ago I just wanted to make a joke. Stop with all the people correcting the grammar I made this at 4am and just wanted to say this. Chill
Ever played pokémon outlaw? I beat the champion's lvl 60 suicune, moltres, articuno and zapdos with a lvl 50 jolteon by relying on paralisys, critical hits and full restore spamming. Literally landed 4 crits in a row, I'll never forget it.
every soft lock is the same, get rid of your money, items and all but one useless pokemon on any island, or area where you cant escape without a tm. they are literally all the same. what do you mean shockingly creative?
Mathematically impossible means literally, truly impossible. This one is physically impossible (it's not possible to do it in the real, "physical" world) but mathematically possible (it's possible to do on paper, in the "math" world). It's mathematically possible to roll 1/4 so many times in a row, but it would take far longer than the age of the universe to do it, meaning it's physically impossible
"The method is so impossible to pull off that you're better off just starting a new game." Wait, has that been an option this whole time?! I've been trying for days to get past this stupid Team Rocket grunt!
As someone who's worked on both romhacking and TASing FireRed, I can tell you that all trainer pokemon do indeed have set predetermined IVs and natures in the gen 3 games. As far as the likelihood of this happening, there are ways to manipulate paralysis. You have to be incredibly precise, of course, but using EonTimer along with finding out your RNG seed, you can find the exact frames to press A to select attacks, and as long as these fall on the correct frame, you will be paralyzed. RNG is not truly random, but rather just an algorithm that is ran once every frame on the overworld, and twice every frame in battle (for most of the time). The game will run the algorithm more times whenever it needs to determine random actions, but it still remains entirely able to be manipulated. I have done quite a bit of research into the RNG of the gen 3 games, and have used a lot of that research to make TASing the game easier by using a program I developed here- github.com/jvhbv/fire-red-rng-calculator. So if y'all wanna escape this one, you can always go the RNG manipulation route.
This level of proving that a fail state technically does or doesn't exist reminds me of when my stepdad used to work at a Michelin tire plant and he had to "debug" and failproof machinery that either didn't have any kind of tech integration, or had just barely used code that was in COBOL or 4TRAN. So most of the time failproofing the machinery involved intentionally, physically throwing debris down the assembly line to fuck things up. And even back then, he heard many a fool cry "but that would never happen, who would ever do that to their machine?!?" The more things change, the more they stay the same.
@@thomasgif1834 I should ask him what he thinks of these kinds of videos. XD His in-depth Pokemon knowledge is limited to what things he's learned from Pokemon Go, but he'd probably still appreciate the RNG aspect. Maybe there's even another timeline where he's making these kinds of videos lol
I’ve been thinking about this for a while. Rather than have to train Graveler all the way to level 100, it should be sufficient to train it until it learns its last possible level-up move. Just to save a little time ruining your game.
then again, your graveler would have way less health to survive with, which means the grunt is more likely to kill you from all the cumulative attacks being thrown at graveler
As a member of the speedrunning community, I can confirm with certainty that trainer Pokemon stats are 100% set, to the point that even when you use the Universal Pokemon Randomizer the randomized Pokemon will have the same EVs and IVs as the Pokemon it replaced.
Actually it would take an hour at best and the actual solution is easier than what he proposed. Pidgey has sand attack. Let it hit you once or twice, do explosion, miss once or twice, quit, save and repeat.
@RaineTCG Y'don't blame her for thinking that if you manage to throw a grenade at someone and hit absolutely nobody with the detonation, the grenade will magically reform afterwards so you can use it again?
Oh my God. Just the other day I was telling someone how sad I am that there are no more Soft Lock Picking or Gem Collecting episodes for me to watch, and that I couldn't wait for the next one. I was going through withdrawal. And now, my wish is granted! Though I also wish I could somehow make this video last until the next one.
You touched upon a really interesting point at the end there: are ANY softlocks possible in Let's Go with an unreleasable starter and infinite TMs? Aren't there NPCs that give you free balls if you ever run out? And with permanent Secret Techniques instead of HMs, you'll likely have to be locked pretty early on.
In Pikachu, avoid all trainers possible, and waste all pokeballs, and trash all items. Raise Pikachu to level 26 by catching pokemon, and teach it only thunder shock, electro Ball, thunder wave, and spark. DEfeat everybody up untill brock.
@@tompatterson1548 there's still the girl in Pewter City that gives you cash every day for babysitting her Slowpoke. There's no way to stop someone from accessing that and getting money for Pokéballs and getting new Pokémon
The funny thing is that Poliwag and Psyduck, the two pokemon that could have Damp, are barely out of reach. Poliwags swim happily in the small pond in Viridian city, but you can't fight them without Good rod. In Fire Red, Psyducks are also there, as well as in route 4 waters (which would be right after Mt Moon), but you need either Surf or Super rod to fight one. And no trainer that you can fight of course has either of these pokemon.
It is so funny how ps says „it would be easier to just start a new game“ everytime. As if someone would randomly come into a situation like this and really would try to escape it 😂😂
A couple of tips when trying this for yourself: 1. You can use the clearing out of all previous battles in order to level up your Graveler. 2. Don't try this yourself.
Did you softlock? Asprey: Yes What did it cost? Asprey: 100 hours of grinding Also, don't forget that once you beat the Rocket grunt you also have to fight the fossil guy to advance
BUT! After you beat the rocket grunt you can just buy pokeballs and "Restart" your run lol ooor just train another graveler to 100 with the same moveset because escape is too good to claim..
You get about 400p from beating the grunt, enough for 2 pokeballs. You could easily catch another pokemon, train it up a little, and beat the scientist then go on your merry way.
Have you considered becoming a playtester? The amount of creativity you showcase with every episode of this series goes far beyond what the average playtester would think to do.
When you explain escape methods I just imagine you as an anime genius that pushes up his glasses and the shine reflecting off of them makes the lenses completely white as you have a smug smile. I literally don't even watch anime I just know the meme lmao
Coming back after Austin of "The SCIENCE!" contextualizes how impossible this "improbable" is only adds to the level of wonder for how insane these setups can get. XD Heat death of the universe is more likely to happen than someone actually beating the odds (at least as an individual).
3:47 Golem just feels like it was meant to be the rock version of Magmar or Electabuzz but at some point in development someone lazily slapped it on as a 3rd evolution for geodude
you put such a ridiculous amount of research and dedication into these soft lock vids.. amazing! I love it! been waiting for another one of these tbh!!
"we don't know whether trainer pokemon have preset or random IVs and the internet doesn't agree on it either" he said, in november 2019, when we already had the decompilations, afraid the internet people you asked weren't quite up to date ;) the correct answer is (according to the source code): it depends on the trainer. most have only a preset level and random IVs, but a few important named trainers (not the rocket grunt in your case) have preset IVs. interestingly, the personality value is computed as a hash of the mon's species name, the trainer's name, the type (single or double) of the battle, and apparently sometimes the encounter music used in the battle, but since randomized IVs in gen3 are not generated from the personality, they are actually random in this case, while other personality based values (such as shinyness, gender or ability) are deterministic in the same circumstances even without being preset.
16 years ago I witnessed a guy insert a jar in his ass, smash the jar, and then remove the shards from inside of himself by hand, and this video was far, far worse than that. Thanks, @Pikasprey Yellow.
"Yeah, sure, but through the button camera in your hat we saw that it was a 231 turn battle, the Graveler was paralyzed for 176 turns, and your Zubat and Ratata were both struggling, almost to death, and that Graveler was stalling so they wouldn't have to use explosion and die. It was a pointless battle, don't brag about it."
probably wont be any way to perma softlock the games, just due to the fact that your pikachu/eevee cannot be released. Even if you disable TM's they can still struggle.
reaching level 100 is more part of the solution than the softlock. you need to reach level 100 to have enough hp to survive. Although, pikasprey likely did it so that he didn't get any comments from people asking why we wasn't level 100 since electrode got out of the trap by reaching a higher level than expected.
Very interesting lock indeed, but you missed a tiny little detail that undoes all this work. In Mt Moon there are hidden Tiny and Big Mushrooms that have a chance to regenerate after taking a certain amount of steps. So you can walk around until you find enough shrooms to be able to afford Poké Balls, catch something else, defeat the Rocket Grunt and escape the lock.
