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Sola Apostolica - A Proposal for an Ecumenical Principle of Authority 

Anglican Aesthetics
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In this video, I turn my journal article on Sola Apostolica into a video. I propose Sola Apostolica as a concept to center our debates on authority, and argue from this that the primacy of Scripture follows. This is, in part, in response to the debate between Trent Horn and James White on this subject. I hope this video helps!
PS: No intro video because my video software crashed. Let me know your choice of video software in the comments!
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Комментарии : 26   
@georgeluke6382
@georgeluke6382 6 месяцев назад
Watched most of the debate and was thinking of you. Wondering if a review of the debate, 30 mins, where you select and give commentary, would be helpful!
@Young_Anglican
@Young_Anglican 5 месяцев назад
This video... I keep coming back to it. I think it may be flawless *chef's kiss*
@anglicanaesthetics
@anglicanaesthetics 5 месяцев назад
Thanks brother :)
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад
in what way?
@paulsmallwood1484
@paulsmallwood1484 6 месяцев назад
Excellent! This was very helpful!
@cullanfritts4499
@cullanfritts4499 6 месяцев назад
This is so fantastic. I think I agreed with every syllable of this video.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад
it would be odd if you didn't.
@matthewschraith8434
@matthewschraith8434 6 месяцев назад
Really enjoyed this, and I myself am pretty lockstep in terms of how we view Scripture. One question I had was around the 33:10 mark, in dealing with the unwritten traditions that don’t contradict Scripture, are apostolic, and are universal. How would we treat something like the Invocation of Saints? For me personally, it looks like a pretty universal practice that the Church used early on, but in the way that it developed in the medieval period doesn’t seem apostolic or can be draw from Scripture. So how would be go about addressing that?
@anglicanaesthetics
@anglicanaesthetics 5 месяцев назад
Good question (sorry I'm just getting to this!). Yes, I myself see a good synthesis of the tradition as follows. I think it's acceptable (but not mandatory or necessary) to ask the saints for their prayers. So one might very well pray a hail Mary in good conscience. We might even honor the saints! (E.g. I might pray, "holy Mary, I take refuge in your prayers" or the like). But any language that is appropriated from YHWH or for describing YHWH is utterly inappropriate for the saints. And further, there doesn't seem to be anything in the first five centuries *mandating* prayers to the saints, so one is free to pray or not to pray such prayers. The Invocation of Saints, in the articles, I take it were condemning invoking the saints *to do stuff* (hence, I don't "invoke" you if I ask you to pray, but I might invoke you to do x, y, or z for me). That, with the Articles, shouldn't be retained because the saints don't have any powers like that.
@JasonRogersGPlus
@JasonRogersGPlus 3 месяца назад
Hi @anglicanaesthetics, quick question. You say here that your “sola apostolica” view admits as the only infallible creaturely rule “the apostolic teaching,” by which you mean the teaching of the prophets and the apostles. I assume you think the early undivided would agree with this (right?). A concern I have is that it seems to me that the early undivided church might have regarded *itself* as infallible when it decided a matter with effective unanimity (e.g., at Nicaea). And I think that it probably regarded this idea that the whole church, being the body of Christ, could not unanimously teach error itself as an apostolic teaching. It seems like that might make sola apostolica incoherent as stated (since it says that the sole infallible rule is the apostolic teaching, but the apostolic teaching is that the unanimous decision of the church is also infallible, which means the ‘apostolic teaching’ per se isn’t really the *only* infallible rule). Do you have any thoughts about that? Thanks.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад
blimey.
@jackshannon777
@jackshannon777 6 месяцев назад
Excellent. Keep up the good work!
@lemmingkingyt5618
@lemmingkingyt5618 6 месяцев назад
I know this is its own debate but consider (for argument's sake) a case in which a doctrine like Mary's Perpetual Virginity was to have been believed by the very earliest in the Church, yet being a doctrine which receives little testimony (or perhaps contrary testimony) from within Scripture. Chemnitz says "Nor do we approve of it if someone invents for himself a meaning which conflicts with all antiquity, and for which there are clearly no testimonies of the church". Would your view of sola apostolica be like the approach put forward by Chemnitz (and to thereby defer judgment about the Perpetual Virginity not to Scripture ""alone"" but to the consensus of Tradition - which culminates in Chemnitz's assent to the perpetual virginity?) I see three options: 1. Reject perpetual virginity for it violates the "clear passages". This would seem to lead to 'solo scriptura'. Any tradition can be overturned 2. Reject perpetual virginity based on it being unsatisfactorily represented in catholic (lower c) tradition - of course, there is the 'danger' that the "clear passages" motivate/bias historical inquiry 3. Accept perpetual virginity despite it seeming to go against "clear passages", for the mere fact that catholic tradition *seems* to have always taught I see problems with each of the three ways here, but I personally lean toward option #1 - solo scriptura, very low church.
@vngelicath1580
@vngelicath1580 2 месяца назад
Unless you *can* demonstrate that it doesn't violate any clear passages. At the same time, since it is neither supported by any clear passages (it is neither biblical nor unbiblical in principle), it must remain pious opinion and never rise to the level of dogma - however popular. Ultimately, whether Christians believe it or not should be irrelevant since no doctrine(s) hinge upon it being true/false.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 2 месяца назад
i don't get why religists "struggle" with their belief, isn't god PERSONAL, right there next to you 24 / 7 (whether you want him or not?) how come you're struggling when you can ask god to his face what's what? or is it there is no god right next to you?
@Ransom747
@Ransom747 5 месяцев назад
This is a really interesting video!
@joefrescoln
@joefrescoln 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Sean. Do you have a link to your article?
@computationaltheist7267
@computationaltheist7267 6 месяцев назад
Anglican Aesthetics, I do want to make a suggestion, is it possible for you to make a response to a heretical "Catholic" named Kyle Alander of Christian Idealism views on Universalism? He just published a video announcing his heresy.
@jamesascott7040
@jamesascott7040 6 месяцев назад
I like this. Thanks for your work. How do you think about the deuterocanonical books? How do you know Job is a prophet? Is it because his writing was accepted as Scripture? If we know someone was a prophet because we have accepted their writing as Scripture, then, are the apocryphal books scripture and therefore from prophets because most Christians have accepted them as scripture throughout the ages? (If that is true that they have?)
@anglicanaesthetics
@anglicanaesthetics 6 месяцев назад
Good question--I'll do a video on this in time, but in short it's simply not the case that all or even most accepted the deuterocanon as Scripture. Hugh of St. Victor and Cardinal Cajetan did not in the medieval period, and canon lists widely differ (agreeing on the Protestant canon). This is why, in the Reformation, the apocrypha weren't thrown out but relegated. I'd say that they're a kind of second tier of sacred literature--edifying and good, but not holy Writ as such. I'd say that Job was a prophet (or written by one) because Jesus accepted it as Scripture. See Wenham: www.the-highway.com/Scripture_Wenham.html
@jamesascott7040
@jamesascott7040 6 месяцев назад
@@anglicanaesthetics that's interesting. I think Whitaker also says this about the OT prophets. I know there are exceptions to people accepting the apocrypha in the period between Augustine and the Reformation but I thought that most people would have accepted it as Scripture since it was in the Latin vulgate without a distinction?
@jamesascott7040
@jamesascott7040 6 месяцев назад
Another thought - to say that Jesus accepted our 39 book OT as Scripture, one has to prove that he did. Of course we can with the core of the canon but can we with the edges? Do we need to rely upon Josephus' statements and assume that nothing changed between the time of Jesus and the closure of the Jewish Canon in the late 1st and early 2nd century?
@catfinity8799
@catfinity8799 6 месяцев назад
What about the Old Testament, and the Deuterocanon? You didn't really address how those fit into Sola Apostolica.
@anglicanaesthetics
@anglicanaesthetics 6 месяцев назад
Good question! Here, I'd point to Jesus's view of the OT (so the locution "the prophets", in the video, becomes central). Wenham nails this here: www.the-highway.com/Scripture_Wenham.html
@iwansaputra1890
@iwansaputra1890 6 месяцев назад
so stupid when you using word sola for christian teaching because all christian teaching not based on sola but holistic. same like nation wee ned land, we need rule of law, and we need goverment.
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