I've mentioned the method a while ago, but that was in the comment section of an unpopular reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/nzquxp/charges_system_proposal_for_gauntlets_rewards/h1rkmkj/ I wanted to test the method and then make a video of it only after I got my own Bow of Faerdhinen. Got it 2 days ago :)
if anyone else is having trouble timing the first click for the attack on respawn, you can instead run to the southern tile used in the fresh instance path right when you see graardor respawn, then start cycle from there.
really nice guide for me as i just look at the more advanced red x's involving a cannon and just cant be bothered to try and learn it., but this is a super chill method. def recommend
GUYS ! use true tile indicator and color code all the shooting tiles. 1 colour from left to right and another for right to left. when i did that it clicked immediatly, ez.
he makes it look easy because it's far from intense, you don't need to understand ticks to learn this but it helps a lot. you need to record yourself doing it, and watch it so you can figure out where you're going wrong in the cycle. try to watch the video and figure out what action is being performed on every single tick. for example moving/shooting/stationary (waiting for bow cooldown from the looks of the video)
Great guide! Though, there is one thing I'd like to add: If you're struggling with the continued kills, you can move your tiles one tile to the west, giving you a similar window to attack Graardor, as you have with K'ril in the zammy guide. A loss of 1 tick to make the method slightly more reliable.
I learned the kril method and really enjoyed it, but cant get this one to work nearly as good. Could you please explain this further, like exactly how should i move the tiles, and what should i do different? Maybe link screenshot/tile markers?
@@hakanmagnusson4058move all your tiles one tile to the south, meaning one tile away from the altar. Since Graardor moves one tile per tick, it means it will reach you one tile / one tick later. In the Kril video, you wait one tick after spawn before attacking. In this one, you gotta attack the exact tick it spawns. Since you have problem with that, moving everything south, aka away from Graardor spawn points, means you can now wait 1 tick before attacking after he spawns, just like Kril. Hope it helps! I started with Kril and also had problem clicking Graador on the exact same tick it spawns lol. I think the comment above said west because they didnt notice that in the video, the compass is turned.
Sir GEChallengeM, thank you for your GWD series of red-x methods. Using them has been an immeasurable help to both my and my group's progress, and I was able to greenlog Bandos at 1030 kc with a hilt using this method. Happy scaping! edit: For anyone wondering, all done with eagle eye, thralls, and 80-84 defense for 20-30 kill trips (run out of divine range pots). You profit food unless you have terrible food RNG or take a long time to offtick the minions. Typically have so much food that juggling all of it makes you miss a spawn xD. 22-23 kph rate (including kc to enter)
Thanks for this, on my way to taking this jogres entire wardrobe. The only issue I occasionally get is after red Xing from a red tile, graardor wont sit still and moves out one tile east/west and hits me, even if everything was done right + timed correctly (I checked the timing of the footage vs doing it correctly and no difference). Any ideas or is it just random jagex jank? In instance also
@@GeChallengeM this was mid-kill, the timing was all correct i think tick 1: land on south red tile and click boss tick 2: - tick 3: xp drop from hit and click altar tick 4: my true tile has moved tick 5: bandos drags with me rather than standing still
@@mikester2431 interesting. Mid-kill, here are some things that can mess up redX: - having clicked on a different npc than graardor, before the redX - having clicked on an inventory item while running through graardor
@@GeChallengeM ye nothing of that sort. Oh well its quite rare and the mistake-fixing works great so I'll just keep my health up. If you never ran into this issue yourself, I'll assume I'm timing/doing something wrong. Thanks!
There already exists a method: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N_tgpRIoUyQ.html However, it isn't optimal: he runs for 21 ticks per cycle, but it can be done with 20 ticks of running. If there's interest in such small improvement, I can make a video of it. Edit: I've found a bigger improvement. Will make a video of it soon.
I found ctrl clicking to walk to the red tiles much easier than manual walking, it also helped me time the red click better since I kept clicking early because I suck at counting ticks when my character isn't moving lol
you're talking about for when you eat right? I found that eating throws my attack time off too since the cool down for eating is 3 ticks and attacking is 4. I'm gonna try walking and see if it helps out
@@TheMohanned94 No, I'm talking about the last three tiles before the final tile on either side. If you click normally your character will run once and walk once, then you click attack and have to wait a tick before moving out for the attack to go off, I kept messing up that bit. When I started ctrl clicking my character walks 3 tiles and my attack goes off instantly, which for me helped with the timing, you save energy doing that too
Learning this now, with a full inv of food. just got my bofa and a bandos hilt! Great guide man. As a newbie to tick manipulation it took me a while to figure out how you were eating without messing up the 4 tick cycle with a 3 tick action. I assume its because you're pausing for one tick on the tile where you would have attacked, then manually walking to the red tile (extra tick) to make sure you're exactly 8 ticks from the last shot? I kept shooting 1 tick ahead. Any reason you don't eat 1 tick later? or skip the attack position delay altogether and eat 2 ticks ahead? or is that a just-in-case you eat late, it doesn't stop you from flinching him?
It doesn't matter when you click to eat, since the attack cooldown will always expire 3 ticks after it would normally expire without food. What does matter though is when you click Graardor. Time this click to keep the 4-tick rhythm. For me, that manual walking helped make it easier yeah.
This looks awesome, I’m using the 6:0 method where you run around the edge of the room without red x clicks but this looks more efficient so I might give this a try. Is there a reason you don’t put markers in the middle where you shoot so you know which squares to shoot on? I feel like that might be my issue if I tried this since I wouldn’t know when to shoot using true tile indicator. Thanks for the video!
With that 6:0 method, you do 6 attacks in 34 ticks. With my method, 6 attacks are done in only 24 ticks, which is far more efficient yeah. I think it's easier without tile markers in the middle and just have a timing of 2.4 seconds per attack. Since the method is on a line, tile markers would make it confusing because you wouldn't know whether a tile marker is for on the way to the altar or on the way to the door. If you think it's easier with those tilemarkers, feel free to place em though.
@@GeChallengeM damn yeah that is way more efficient. Even tho I’m firing off at a faster rate, thus getting a quicker kill speed, do you think i will be fine food/hp wise even tho I don’t have rigour and will be getting hit by the melee minion a lot more? I have 92 defense. appreciate the response!
@@PerzyYT Because the kill is a lot faster, you'd also be taking a lot less damage from the other minions. I'm not sure if you'd be taking more or less damage in total though, but I'd recommend trying either my 6:0 method or one of these methods: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ce5qU85QPUc.html Those methods makes you tank a lot fewer melee minion hits.
@@2.6.0 That's actually what I did at first, but it confused me and caused me to make mistakes so I removed them before recording the video. I can see it helping people that don't get the rhythm down though.
How do you figure these methods out? Do you use something to see monster true tile to analyze the method, or use logic to reason about where the boss would be on every tick, or maybe you have some tool to simulate what would happen w.r.t the boss pathing and flinching for given inputs?
I know all the game mechanics of flinching, red-X and pathing. Using a grid layout of the room (as seen at the end of the video), I manually simulate the player with the "fill" tool in Microsoft Paint with one hand while I move a cut-out piece of paper over my monitor to simulate the boss with the other hand. This allows me to easily theorise methods tick-by-tick.
This method only works with a 4-tick weapon. For a crossbow, I recommend using one of the following methods: - ACB diagonal kiting ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0lv6-fuH4yI.html - 5:0 26t ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GEnQDZi-hkI.html
You know how you can corner safespot NPCs and flinch them with melee? Well, it turns out the flinching mechanic is a lot more complex than that. For example, NPC's can flinch off ranged hits as well, which is done in this video. There are also some requirements for a NPC to be flinchable though. If you do the method like I did in the video, those requirements will be satisfied. But when you make a mistake, you need to fix the cycle by doing what I did at 2:03. If you want more in-depth knowledge about the mechanics, I suggest you to read this wiki page which I updated with the general flinching mechanics back when I figured them: oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Flinching
This is so simple it's actually insane. does this usually profit food with max stats + rigour? being able to bring thralls is dope, do you think the extra dps is worth shortening the trip a bit from prayer usage?
You do profit food yeah, with max stats + rigour. The usage of thralls is up to personal preference. I don't think they shorten the trip length by a lot. Crystal armour and Ring of the Gods give a really high amount of prayer bonus, and the ring also gives you 2 extra prayer points per super restore dose. Every 10 minutes you can pray at the altar. And, on top of all that, there's a 8/128 chance to get the 3x super restore(4) drop. That's a lot of prayer :P
ty for zammy guide lol made this 1000x easier, ive done about 50 kills so far and I find bandos minions smack me much harder. Am i just gettin bad rng? Because peaches and brews dont sustain me very well.
If you're having trouble with hp, maybe you could use blood barrage instead of thralls. Without blood barrage, you need a decent defence/magic level and/or flick the minions well after killing Graardor.
@@GeChallengeM yeah I switched to ancients and ive been getting a good 15-20 kc a trip im very happy with it. Got my first ever BCP too :) Thanks a bunch dude you're a legend
what does it mean that graardor is "flinched", i dont understand how that word is being used here. i understand flinching like melee safespotting stuff, but what does "because he's being flinched from the shot you do at the red tilemarkers" mean exactly
Flinching is mostly known for melee, but the underlying mechanic is actually a bit more complex and can apply to stuff like ranged too. You can check this wiki page for more info: oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Flinching For this 6:0 method at Graardor, he flinches once every 3 hits he takes since he's still on "flinch cooldown" when the other 2 hits land.
@@GeChallengeM wow, thank you for that info. after reading that wiki page i think i fully understand this now. so you flinch him with the first shot fired, giving him a 3tick retaliation delay because you're out of his range, AND you then red click the altar which locks graardor in place while running through him. that allows you to get out of his attack range by the time his 3tick retaliate delay is over. by the time you reach the altar, his 8 tick in-combat timer has ended, so your shot from that tile will initiate another 3tick retaliation delay, and you can repeat the same process running back toward the door now. is that the right idea? tyvm for your help!
For messing up the cycle and having to take 1 hit, could this be a time where you could use a melee spec weapon and continue the rotation, would it have to be the same tick speed at f bow? Or if there is any point to work in a DWH spec, for example, if using regular crystal bow and armor?
Even if you do manage to get a dragon warhammer special attack in, using dwh + avernic + super combat potion, this would only reduce the average killtime by 0.3 seconds. A blowpipe spec is far more useful instead, reducing the average killtime by 1.5 seconds. If you don't have a Bow of Faerdhinen, I'd recommend you to use a different method. If looking for an easy method, you can try 26t 5:0 with a crossbow: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GEnQDZi-hkI.html
@@GeChallengeM Dps calcs are telling me that regular crystal bow + armor is about 30% better than rune crossbow w/ diamond bolts, and DWH is my only spec weapon atm. Thanks for the advice.
@@latortuga3583 O damn, you're right. The crystal armour set was buffed a lot more than I remembered. Crystal bow with crystal armour is indeed better than crossbows. It seems like a minimal switches DWH spec has a similar decrease of average killtime as a Blowpipe spec: 1.5 seconds.
I don't understand the fixing mistakes part. I tried this 3x in a row and he kept hitting me right after I ran through him, so it would never get fixed. Pray melee -> click door/altar as he hits me, run 3 ticks, shoot, get hit again. repeat.
Hmm, that shouldn't happen... Usually, you should be able to kill Graardor before having to eat, assuming you start the kill with 99 hp. In rare cases you do need to eat during the kill, but this shouldn't be a problem either because you should profit on food drops. If you're bad at flicking the minions after killing Graardor and lose food due to that, you might want to bring Blood Barrage and use that on the minions to heal up.
For the first kill of a trip it seems Bandos spawns too close to avoid a melee hit a lot of the times, when doing the method you've shown. Any idea what could cause this? Have you experienced this as well? Any idea what causes this? So far I've had him spawn too close 8/9 trips I've done, and the near guaranteed melee on the first kill can really scuff up a trip haha
If your client is slow at loading the instance, you may get stalled for an additional tick. If trying to take this into account, there's no easy way to set up the first kill without tanking a hit. It'd be more complicated and include punching graardor to flinch him...
Yes! It's a requirement. If you have a pending interaction (usually due to a click that causes a red-X to appear under your cursor), then the last NPC you've interacted with won't do its usual random movement while under it. So basically, it prevents Graardor from moving while running through him.
thanks for this guide! i need some help tho, when graardor respawns i can't hit him in time consistently, i'm just slow + i play in 200ms, for this reason i'm killing my supplies too fast cuz i get hit by him until i fix the cycle, so my question is, is there another way to start the cycle? i don't mind losing some ticks at the start if that means he won't hit me
You can move both tilemarkers 1 step towards the south. This will mean that you must start attacking Graardor 1 cycle later than what I do. Other than that, the method is exactly the same.
Sounds like you're already doing everything you can to save run energy. So you'd need to do at least one of the following: - Keep using stam pots or purple sweets - Get higher ranged/agility lvls - Get better gear
When resetting after a mistake, what visual queue/tick of Bandos' attack do i red-x on? can I sit at the ends for multiple attack cycles of bandos and then reset? You also don't attack on the reset click right? When red-xing to flinch, do you click the door/alter the same tick of the attack or the tick after?
Right as you see Graardor initialising his attack, you click. I wouldn't recommend waiting for more than 1 attack cycles. I don't know what you mean by "don't attack on the reset click". The door/altar is clicked on the same tick your character initialises the attack. That's a tick after you click the "Attack" option.
@@GeChallengeM Thank you for the quick reply! Ok, I rewatched 2:03 again and realize my 2nd question kind of stupid. So Graardor has a 6 tick attack cycle. What I should be doing if I need to eat more than 1 food on a reset is... - Wait on the reset tile, eating as Graardor walks to me, but leave a 3 tick window before he actually attacks, as he attacks - I also attack and red-x. The attack should land the 2nd tick of his attack cycle, allowing me to attack or eat again the 6th tick - 1 tick before the 1st tick of his next attack cycle. I'm struggling to learn this and 7:0. I've gone back and forth with both methods, but cant maintain more than a 3 kc trip with either. I know this is a skill issue, but if I figured out CG to get my bowfa... I should be able to figure this out.
@@linustorvalds5433 when fixing your cycle, attacking before running through graardor is optional, not required. No need to leave a 3 tick window there. No need to attack graardor at all before that red-x.
am I stupid? I tried this 8 times and always instantly died. Do I have to tick-perfectly recreate this? I'm running between the tile spots and red-x'ing with door/altar. I don't really understand what the timing is for the red-x, how close does he need to be?
To start the cycle, you have to attack instantly when he spawns and then instantly start running. If you've made a mistake, he's able to attack you. This keeps happening every time you run past him until you fix it. Mistakes can be fixed by doing what I did at 2:05.
Hey, sometimes the minions spawn few ticks later after bandos. The melee minion goes 1 tile ahead of graardor, messing up the flinch whereas you'll be under graardor when you've needed to hit on the way back from the altar. Any idea?
Minion spawn times shouldn't matter at all. Minions can be ignored during the kill, all what matters is that Graardor has to be set up correctly. Minions can't affect Graardor's flinch.
@@GeChallengeM I recorded two clips whereas both was very identical however one clip I clicked on the door and the other one on the tile. Does clicking on the door matter?
@@hotnoodle6870 Ah, there's the problem. The door and altar clicks are very important yes. It causes Graardor to not do its random movement while running through him.
Not sure what im doing wrong, but cant seem to run fast enough away from him for him to not attack me, no idea if im clicking the door or altar fast, but when running through him i attack and immediately run away and its like 50/50 if he hits me or not
If you time something incorrectly, Graardor would stop flinching at the right moment. This causes him to be able to attack you each time after running through him. To fix such mistake, do the thing I do at 2:05.
I haven't really done trips myself other than for making the video, but I used this setup: i.imgur.com/zbjjRCD.png Drop the hilt after teleporting, or replace with trollheim tab if you don't have it. Stam pot is just in case I do run out of energy. Six divine ranging potions means it's for a 2 hours trip. Of course, a lot is up to personal preference.
Zaryte crossbow is a 5-tick (3.0 seconds) weapon, while the Bow of Faerdhinen is a 4-tick (2.4 seconds) weapon. You can't simply replace a bofa shot by a zcb shot since the attackspeeds don't match. But you can do a small adjustment to the cycle to allow for a zcb spec. If you're curious how, I'll draw it and show on a picture.
You say the non-instanced rooms have a 1/8 chance of Graardor spawning on a different tile.. but bruh.. I literally CANNOT get this to work on spawn. The method works in a non-instance, but I have to "fix" it every time for it to do so. Do you think this is just poor gaming on my part, or is an instance necessary? I'm not an iron and have no combat diaries done, so I can't access instances to test for myself.
Hmm... I don't have a main to test a non-instance, but I'm pretty sure it should work in 7/8 of the cases. You have to shoot it instantly on spawn, and then instantly start running. If you wait a bit, you'll get hit. That's what happened to me at 2:04. Note that the sound of your shot is a bit delayed, so you have to click to start moving before you hear it.
The method is made to do everything as quick as possible. Maybe your tilemarkers are off? Or maybe you need to run 1 tick earlier than you've been trying now?
It's also better because you're attacking every 4 ticks, unlike the other methods which make you lose 2 ticks per cycle. To compare: the 6:0 method is 7.1% better DPS than 7:0, and 5.6% better DPS than 9:0. Quite a significant improvement IMO.
If your timing is off (attacking too early or too late), then indeed, you'll get hit. And you'll get hit after every time you run through Graardor, unless you fix the cycle (as seen at 2:03).
Thanks for the tutorial! Do you mind if I use a clip from this as well as a clip from your zilyana video? I'm making a video for the best places to use the BowFa and I'd love to credit these tutorials in the video as well as link them in the description if you don't mind.
I haven't done trips after making the video so haven't optimised my personal setup. Also, it's up to personal preference. Here's what I took, to give you an idea: i.imgur.com/onFYXLG.png
Great video, only issue i have is minions, they honestly are the real boss here, considering you don’t use ancients how do you manage to not get dropped after bandos is down do you solely rely on food to extend trips as you would go in with brews i assume?, Obviously pray flicking the minions helps but i still find Im getting smashed by the minions without ancients seems almost undo-able?
Pray flicking, bones to peaches, and food drops. For me, that was more than enough :) Of course, having 99 ranged for fastest kills and 99 defence for least damage taken helps. I personally used regular divine ranging potions because ironman, but using bastions instead will provide additional help.
No, this method is made for faster weapons (4 ticks per attack). For rune crossbow, there are other methods, e.g. this one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6pnQRZi5LMg.html
It helps a lot to have max gear, lvl 112/99 ranged and lvl 96+ agility. You can also use the method shown at 1:51 to save even more run energy, if needed. Also, after the kill, you can walk instead of run when picking up the bones.
The inventory setup is mostly up to personal preference, depends on how big you want your trips to be, on your stats, on the amount of mistakes you make, etc. Here's an example: i.imgur.com/dp2EoXK.png Bastion potions are better than ranged potions, I just didn't want to waste my vials of blood :P Zaryte vambraces would also be good, and in that case you can bring a throwaway zammy item.
@@coldbeezy I've never done blood barrage bandos myself so I'm not sure. I suggest you to take b2p tabs for the first trip, and decide yourself if they're worth for future trips.
This specific method can't be done with a crossbow because crossbow has a lower attackspeed. I'm planning to make a video for crossbows (and tumeken's shadow) in the future, but for now I'd recommend this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GEnQDZi-hkI.html
@@GeChallengeM Yeah I think I have to take barrage because the Australian servers make it near impossible to be tick perfect, getting max 3 kills per trip because of this :D
You take far less hits from the melee minion doing 9:0 and you even have the opportunity to prayer flick one of the melee's attacks while running from the door to the east side of the room. I understand you lose two ticks with 9:0, but I would imagine it's far more consistent and reliable not having to tank the melee minion every kill.
You only lose 1 tick with 9:0, but yes, I've explained the pros and cons in the video description. A 2.7% DPS increase is good if you're profiting hp anyway. For people with a low defence level, 9:0 is still recommended though.
@@awk4080 I did try to find a no-tickloss method that doesn't make you tank the melee minion often, but was unable to. If only the room was 1 tile longer, then I would've had a 12:0 no-tickloss method, only tanking the melee minion once per 12 hits. But it seems like most people are more interested in easy methods instead of good methods. For example, I found a 6:0 crossbow method for Bandos on a 33 tick cycle. I never published it because better methods already existed (no-tickloss diagonal kiting with prayer flicking, and my non-published 26t 5:0 similar to 27t zammy). And 1.5 years later, someone made a video of a scuffed version of the method (6:0 36t instead of my 33t) which turned out to be very popular.
I took none. Maybe it looked like I ran out of run energy quickly because I skipped the respawn time for the 2nd boss. Normally, you'd be killing minions during the 90 seconds respawntime, giving a lot of time to get your run energy recharged. Also, if run energy is an issue, you could conserve it a lot better if using the method shown at 1:50. Note: I also have level 99 agility. If your agility level is below 96, you would recharge run energy at a lower rate than I do, so maybe stamina potions or some purple sweets would be needed. I suggest doing test trip(s) with 1-2 stamina potions or some purple sweets before deciding on ditching them.
I forgot the DPS calc results, but it's most likely bp. Bofa mostly excels at higher defence opponents, while bp is best against low defence opponents. Both options should be fairly close though, and definitely if not using dragon darts.
