Solomonster Reacts To Bret Hart's Comments About "Pathetic" Wrestling Today 

Yeah, the superkick is like a regular punch now. It used to be a finisher, but now it's not really an impactful move. Actually, nothing is really impactful. You see small guys like the Bucks kick out of multiple finishers in a row.

You are not alone Fella

And also there are so many people that do it these days. I miss more of the psychology of failed attempts of finishing moves, and if they finally hit it, it was over.

Nothing matters or counts it's just a spot fest

​@@marlock6573 Same with HHH'S pedigree. The superkick, pedigree, and tombstone piledrivers should be holly grail protected where no one should use them but their originators. The only exception should be if its kayfabe related with long storied history (Kane and Undertaker as storyline siblings sharing movesets), or real-life lineage (Charlotte doing the FF, Rock doing a Samoan drop).

I remember that Cornette quote.

Uncle Jim!!!👊🏾💪🏾

Jim is always so on point, easily the best wrestling commentary out there. Him and Brian are almost always universally right.

Damn that's deep

Preach!!!!!! Preach it Brotha Devon! Can I get an...AMEN!!!!!

OK but Jim Ross really doesn't buried this generation He doesn't repeatedly bury wrestlers

Then Brandon Cutler called him out about it of all people

And he got called out for it by idiots who think they know better🤷🏿‍♂️

Suprised Jim Ross hasn't referred to those types of matches as "Bowling Shoe Ugly" matches.

It looks stupid. I hate that people say "we all know it's fake" -- well OK, but would you enjoy a movie as much if an actor continually looked towards the director and occasionally whipped out the script to recall their lines? It ruins the spectacle and turns it into a farce. A true pro maintains character and kayfabe. Kayfabe isn't about being a moron who's easily duped, it's about conviction to one's role, almost method acting and giving due respect to the art form so it can entertain a spectator.

He needs to let that Goldberg crap go

Aw this generation of people got a problem but all we see is another older generation of person complaining and not offering any help to this generational talent we have now. He can kick rocks if he gonna nag and not help. You too

@@1ajgtwm as a modern wrestler recently said "i dont take advice from veterans". you try giving todays young people advice. theyre mindless.

​@@Am71919 screw goldberg i don't blame bret

​@@1ajgtwm when the Cucamonga Kids kick rocks, they slap their legs and then snap their ankles.

I love how everyone criticize AEW with the injuries but when injuries hapoenninh WWE like Shane Mcmahon or Bad Bunny or Tiffanny Stratton near fatal fall everyone laughs or keeps quiet LOL

@@Syfcobra8549 Because those were freak accidents. Anybody can land wrong from a leapfrog and tear something. Should we ban leapfrogs? If you say “yes”, keep in mind that by the same logic, like 90% of wrestling moves can result in serious injury if you get unlucky. So should we just ban wrestling altogether? The Dante Martin spot on the other hand wasn’t a freak accident resulting from a mundane move, it was a needlessly dangerous spot that simply didn’t need to happen

MJF beating Darby with a headlock stuck in my memory longer than any ridiculous spot I’ve seen in the last few years of wrestling. It’s not hard to elongate fans’ attention spans and get them invested in the simple stuff. Punk was getting huge cheers for body slams. Just no one is doing it and they’ll all be immobile by 33.

This is after Vince killed his brother doing a stupider stunt to mock Sting and WCW? If Martin wants to risk doing a move Brett Hart wouldn't be able to do in his prime and is jealous, Martin should be able to do it. It was a circus act with Doink the clown and all the rest you can list by yourself in the 80s already. It looked so fake then that only some kids couldn't tell that it was, till it was explained to them by their parents. Brett Hart at one point convinced himself he actually "won" the fake title in the fake match. Then got upset he couldn't give away the fake title his chosen way. He literally conned himself there. Huge ego, a chip on his shoulder. He's right, everyone else is wrong. I used to like watching him too in the mid 90s, but he has some serious problems. Look that high flying stuff started long ago. People like it. Yes some get hurt doing it, but so do gymnasts, actual wrestlers and any other athletes. It's their choice.

@@dodesskiy1 thank u for. Being honest about this. Brett has a lot of good takes however it seems his grudge not only toward WWE but Large Spectacle Promotions and the theatrics they do when the put on a show. Bitter Bret. He just need more umph but never thought he needed to up the level

Totally agree

Watching three teams who allegedly hate eachother taking part in a synchronised game of catch my opponent and we all fall down is truly weird. Their are only two types of fans of wrestling now: long timers who more than likely grew up watching Hogan or the attitude eras or it's kids who stop watching the very second they find out it's fake. All other "fans" gave up on it a long time ago.

Protect each other my ass, for most of Brett's career acts like The Steiners and Road Warriors shamelessly bullied enhancement guys,as did the big buffoon Yokazuna

but still they were on the road for weeks without breaks and they got into real fights all over the place...its fake because todays stars get away with so much...there no one to call them out the way they used to be back then...

But yet he has Inspired and contribute to this current generation

I will never understand how many people want wrestling looked at as "Real". And treated as legit sport. With how the modern style is.

Del Rio is what really exposed the slap for me. Before then not only were kicks like that still rare and not driven into the ground but he.. Man, that dude gave his own legs welts it was so blatant lol

​​@@BasementBubbatunde I only watch WWE twice a year the royal rumble and mania and at the rumble I remember being so pissed off I saw in a 5 minute span 4 new guys do inziguri kicks with blatent leg slaps and they all did it the exact same way remember when people had a style? Owen and Shawn didn't inziguri like RVD & Lance Storm they all had a unique style

@@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo Uso matches recently (or beat down segments) kind of get a bit tired for me because of that. I like them obviously but I'm so over seen 93 superkicks in a segment with them blatantly big show chopping themselves on the leg lol. Not just because of nostalgia that it was protected when I was younger but come on, logically it just makes you and everyone else that does it nowadays look stupid needing to do it 20 times a match and not win when a dude spent decades doing it mostly once a match and made it as cool as it is now lol

@@BasementBubbatunde Exactly Shawn only needed 1 and I'm the same with suicide dives fucking hate them I'm sick of them that and knees..not like a knee to the gut but shit like the lung blower there's no way that move doesn't suck to take

Preach 🙌🏽

100% my favourite wrestlers were Mick Foley William regal Chris Benoit, Guerrero, Perry Saturn every one of them to a man I believed could batter anybody...now look at Sami Zayne, oh god I forgot his name he's so generic the Cena 2.0 kid erm Austin Theory,jungle boy,Seth Rollins. Even Braun strowman who's supposed to be a badass I heard him say at a weightlifting expo to someone "I better not be on camera or you'll hear from my agent" ok chill your boots Hollywood!

No es not, he was against the edgines of the attitude era and look how that turned to be basically the mos memorable era in wrestling history

@@Syfcobra8549 But the REASON it's memorable has nothing to do with being edgy it's that the roster was comprised 95% of future hall of famers who all went balls to the wall for years 1997 WWF & 1998 WWF were very different places

@@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo Sammi Zayne is a great wrestler though. He also got over desipte been an average looking guy. Thats his gimmick. I thought you would appreciate him if your a Foley fan. Bret and Shawn are the two greatest if you ask me because they didn't rely on a physical style. Angle, benoit etc destroyed their bodies kinda to prove a point to the audience. Legit tough guys like Dan Severn I also respect because again he didn't put his body in danger yet would absolutely beat the hell out of a bully like Benoit in real life. Benoit lived his gimmick. Severn never needed to as he was proven legit. Super humble dude and unlike Benoit never took liberties on anyone in a wrestling ring.

@Rat King Vince had no choice losing to wcw 83weeks in a row He had to let Steve Austin become Stone Cold instead of The Ringmaster Rocky Maiavia or The Rock? Competition makes things better Steel sharpens steel

Also, being bitter Brett as usual He really is so uptight that he couldn’t make, or popular lies his style of wrestling over what the industry currently is. He makes good points a lot of the time, but that’s what you would expect from a legendary Iconic wrestler, such a Samsung, however his promotion skills and his ability to involve people into what he likes started to dwindle since the late 90s.

when seth rollins did those three suicide dives i was like not another one, do something different

“Suicide dives” More like “cry for help” dives.

The whole point of “dream matches” in the past was wondering how each guy’s style would play off against each other. Now everyone does all the same shit all the time and it’s a struggle to differentiate between them.

Cry harder dude, just like everything else, Pro wrestling has evolved over the years. Remember when the ddt was a finisher in the 80s just to become a regular move in the 90s. I bet regular suplexes were finishing moves in the 50s and 60s so what r u talking about.

I believe almost everybody agrees about the stupid shit however, there are tons and Ivy home of wrestler with unique styles that do not change their moves from Max come back if you want to see stagnant one trick pony, then go ahead and watch some 1970s wrestling

Bingo. On the money. The cognitive dissonance is crazy. Love Brett, but man, lol. There's always an older generation that swears the kids are watching/enjoying/doing something wrong. Like clockwork. 😂

Totally agree with you here. It’s just plain old boomer talk from Bret. Just like every other sport/ art from, pro wrestling is always subject to change. Regular suplexes and ddts were probably finishing maneuvers back in the 70s and 80s and in the 90s, those became regular moves. Moves became popular like the cutter in the late 00s to early 10s and then it almost becomes a regular move.

Personally I don't mind matches like that but I tend to agree with you wrestling has evolved because if you look at wrestlers today and fans of today they will tell you that guys who sit in what they call Rest locks and Really long submission hold still say that the matches are boring I truly believe it's why there's such a divide in wrestling today is comments like this and opinions like this

I've been watching wrestling since the late 80s so I don't mind seeing a rest hold or headlocks during matches, but to see that and nothing else makes it boring to me so that's why I mostly love modern wrestling today.

I feel like this exaggeration is just as bad as those who just call modern wrestlers "flippy boys who slap their leg". The best of both eras don't fit either description.

Where tf do MARKS get the idea that that’s what wrestling in the 80’s was lmao. Go watch some of the territory shit. It wasn’t all 4 min big guy squash matches

OK but he's a little bit of a hypocrite because he has contribute to this current generation of doing things like this

@@flyguy7825 what do you expect? Bret never takes accountability for anything.

People getting mad at Bret for having opinions on wrestling is so funny to me. Every damn wrestling fan feels entitled to share their opinion on the internet (nothing wrong with that, either) but when Bret does it, "Oh, he's bitter. Oh, he's old, what does he know about wrestling anymore." If Bret came on these shows on talked about how amazing modern wrestlers are, everyone would say, "See! Bret says modern wrestling is great, and if anyone knows great wrestling it's him!" That's all this is.

@@flyguy7825 in what way did Bret Hart contribute to any of these things. I don't recall ever seeing Bret do any of this shit.

@@justinwalker2928 I know I just wanted to point that out because people either don't remember or don't watch Past wrestling

the online forums makes you think they know what goes on ,but they dont really..they arent there backstage before and after matches...or at corporate meetings...or around when match planning is going on...

So they should act like the pre internet era fans and be ignorant to all the dirt sheets, wrestling news outlets, and etc lol We are beyond suspension of belief. These companies gotta put on consistent and good products at all times. Clearly it's the fans cuz these companies can't do that

Beyond suspension of disbelief? So you watch every movie and show just knowing it’s all fake, and don’t try to use your imagination or lose yourself in the story at all…? Have fun with that, ya fuckin bot.

@@1ajgtwm I blame both. I blame the companies for producing shit and I blame the fans for lapping that shit up and asking for seconds. The people involved no longer understand the business they're part of and the audience no longer understand what they're watching. EVERYBODY has lost the fucking plot.

@ojmcclanahan689 You can't blame fans for liking what they like, that's dumb. We are the consumer, we consume what's given

@@1ajgtwm What's dumb is think that even remotely applies to the wrestling business, lol. It's an industry that revolves around live attendance. The people can dictate the product by not going to the shows, not ordering the PPV's and not watching the weekly TV shows. People can't just complain online while still shoveling money into it and expect anything to change. You're entitled to that philosophy, but if that's the way you wanna look at it, you really don't have a right to complain about anything. Just shut up and consume.

Agreed. Story and Character will always trump the In Ring aspect.

@mrterp04 He knows it’s not real, but you could make it look more real. It’s the difference between John Wick and Power Rangers. Moving on.

People have by and large known what wrestling is for 100 years now. Any fan of the last century has had to put up with people trying to kill their fun with “don’t you know it’s fake?” Fans then knew, they just wanted to believe it. Or believe something about it. Now it’s just a big in-joke. The wrestlers are now the fun police who used to go around telling you it was fake in the 80’s

Or maybe a lot of wrestling fans have been instilled the idea by wwe for decades that the typical North American style of wrestling is the “only correct way” of doing it. Today’s wrestling especially in NA have been heavily influenced by the indies like PWG and ROH. Other major influences are the Japanese strong style wrestling and Lucha libre. I don’t like how some people just flat out say that today’s wrestling is just a dancing routine. It a great disrespect not only to the performers but also to the sport /art form itself.

The thing about Brett Hart. He hates Malenko for this too. It's not that it's new or recent. The later version of Brett Hart was a set of 6 or so moves. You knew exactly what move would come when. Try remembering, inverted atomic, clothesline. Then the Russian leg sweep, then the back breaker. I'm sorry for being brutal, at times he seemed like a robot, or a perfect video game wrestler. Limited move set, and you could program exactly what would follow what. I think he hated that guys like Malenko, Benoit, Guererro brought a style over to the U.S. that featured many more moves than he kept using. It became more popular. His whole shtick about being the best technical wrestler went poof. It worked when he saw a majistrol cradle on tape and did it in the WWF when no one could see where he stole it from. Or his great sharpshooter that was used in Japan years before him. Man, what did we have to compare him to pre about 1996? We saw what was on the U.S. TV. Both major companies had either the big goofs that had 3 moves, or literal clowns in a clown outfit. Compared to those "stars", yeah he was the best there was. Thank god Eric Bischoff finally imported more options into the U.S. And Hart hates it, cause it replaced his boring move set you could time at which minute which move would be used. Like a robot. Do watch 2 of his matches 1 after another, it'll help remembering. Do watch him being a face, then a heel. Literally the same crap.

idk how the new women pass basic training class...they must get a free pass or something because it sure aint wrestling ability...

I get what your sayin but WWE should not be a litmus test for representing what passes as quality pro wrestling today. WWE does not market "pro wrestling" they market a strange hybrid of it.....which in that sense you can understand not being a fan of it. I havent watched a WWE match since maybe 2020.....or a pro wrestling match in nearly as long. I will still call myself a fan.

@@eugeneenyaosa6397 right, but the things that he is talking about are less prevalent in WWE than they are in the other places. Leg slapping and dives where guys fall like bowling pins and not selling is rampant in places like AEW and Ring of Honor as well. So he is basically talking about all of pro wrestling in America, at least.

​@Rob Riginio May not be prevalent in WWE but that doesn't matter. I tuned into Raw this past Monday night and witnessed the worst exhibition of what is to be called wrestling in my life. I hadn't paid attention to wrestling since early 2000's. What I saw was an embarrassment. Missed assignments, missed moves, and everything in between. You know it's getting bad when it took many years to get a guy "over" and the big thing is to see him get 1000 days as champion by allowing them to always win by interference. Wrestling as it was in the 80's, 90's and early 2000s' is gone and we have crap in it's place.....

@@carlbrenda6518 I basically agree. I’m 48 and have been a fan since 1984. I’ve seen it all. As I type this I have the “Best of Raw 15th anniversary” dvd playing. All the best Raw moments from 93-07. They can never make a dvd like this again because these moments dont exist anymore. All these segments with Austin & McMahon, Rock, Foley, HBK, Bret, Razor, Perfect, it will never be that good again. If I listed all my favorite matches of all time, 90% of them would be between 1986 & 2010. I was just saying the show Bret was talking about was ironically the best WWE show of the year & had some great matches, so if he was embarrassed by that show, I’d love to see what he had to say about some other shows. Like I said Bret is my all time favorite. I grew up on him, Hennig, Steamboat, Flair etc.

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It has sucked for 20y. It should only have been a finisher/co-finisher. Now it's barely anything at all.

But you have in all walks of life, whetever is music, sports or any other situations. But the older wrestlers never had items that they had back then.

He didn't. I've binge 1994-2009 and I cringed at HBK, Mysterio, Punk, Jericho, and Shelton slap their thigh.

He contribute to this current generation if you actually look at Bret Hart matches in the past and some of his moves that there's about a third or half of these wrestlers that do what he does today He's just another one of these old heads that can't take the fact that wrestling has changed and evolve into something different just like the previous generation before him when wrestlers thought that you had to be this overgrown muscular guy and that doing a whole bunch of moves or fancy moves isn't the way to get the crowd behind you but I guess Brett forgot about that

Yeah, but, remember, Bret Hart was involved in one of the bloodiest feud in 96/97 against Steve Austin. So, he's not that old school.

@@davidvainqueur2482 - dumbest thread, i guess you never saw nwa matches of the 70s and 80s

​@@flyguy7825 You can't be silly enough to bring up the big swollen balloon phyisques and over the top moves to pop a crowd while speaking about BRET of all people lmao. Dude was small and so technical and lacking the "crowd pop" moves some people think he was boring. Couldn't be a worse example for that rant.

@@flyguy7825 There's something seriously the matter with you, man. People might do some of the same moves Bret Hart done, but their execution is nowhere near as crisp and they don't have the psychology that Bret Hart has. Bret done moves for a reason. People today do moves just to be doing them and to make people chant "This is awesome!". In what way is that even remotely the same thing?

And that was when Brett Hart lost his mind in Montreal. He got upset over losing a fake match for the fake title everyone with a brain knew was fake. Before his TV interview. Or you take Jim Cornette with his insanity. He actually thought some didn't know it was fake in 1980s... If the current fans like the current way it's done, it'll stay that way. If he could personally talk to the idiots in the 90s yelling boring at any mat wrestling shown, maybe it'd be there more in his time in the WWF. Mostly it was a clown show circus act. With a literal clown, a plumber, the IRS, the undertaker. Idiotic comic book type stuff but worse. Oh yeah, but their punches looked more real, oh yeah that mattered. You could believe in it then.

​@@michiganjack1337 Shawn Michaels would do it once a match and it was the finisher. Now the Uso's, the Young Bucks, Rollins, even Omega with that the knees, they do it a dozen times a match and they never win with the move.

It’s all just’agressive tumbling’

And that my friends why a few of his peers calls him a mark for himself

He is absolutely a mark for himself, but he is one hundred percent correct about this. Wrestling is so much more obviously fake then it used to be.

@@jerodgraham6623 OK but he contribute to this generation so he's basically insulting all of the wrestlers that looked up to him

@@jerodgraham6623 You don't mean more fake than when you had Doink the clown, Hulk Hogan, IRS Irvin R Shyster, and the rest of the circus in the 1980s on the same show as Brett Hart was on? I'm so tired of his types trying to teach the newer guys to fake punch properly. Tell me the truth, did you think his punches were real in his matches? Do you know any people that thought they were real by 1993? Well maybe if they were kids, and the parents didn't tell them yet.

@@dodesskiy1 no one even punches anymore it’s all just kicks and forearms

Honestly, Jim and ross are right on a lot of things. This is no different. I am not a big AEW guy, at the same time though, if it gets over with the crowd, and people actually are into it, I don't think it matters at the end.

No, because it was super fake in his time in his precious WWF. Doink the clown, Hulk Hogan with his 3-4 moves, just popular because of his look and his big mouth. You had plumbers, IRS person as a typical villain. It was oh so much a circus act. In the 80s no one with a brain took pro wrestling as a sport. Not When Dusty Rhodes, and Bam Bam Bigelow, or the Big Boss Man types are there. These guys are so full of it. Things changed a little from what they personally remembered. Most fans do like it. Not because they think it is real, and man, not because the older fans thought that mess was real. Especially when the WWF's shows changed into the constant predictable soap opera . That to me was the last straw, they killed all actual competition, then ruined it for decades. I just watched a few NJPW matches, are they fake too? Yes, but they resemble a sport, they feature many moves and reversals. You CAN pretend that it is for real. If that style comes back to the U.S. it might bring in more fans. But the better looking obviously fake punches? Making sure you use only about 6 moves you memorize like a robot so that one match looks just like another? That was the later Brett Hart. He stopped using even suplexes. It was the same shtick in every match. I saw his WCW match as a heel recently, well hello. Inverted atomic, clothesline. Russian leg sweep. I could tell you which would come when if I saw a few of his matches in a row. Some of the ones Cornette admires like Jerry Lawler were much worse. I saw his pre WWF match recently too. He was a clown. And BTW his piledriver was kicked out of at 1 count in that 80s match. Cornette has a selective memory. Hogan refused to sell a vertical suplex done to him for example. That exposed it in the 80s already.

@@dodesskiy1 it’s supposed to be a fight would u also say boxers are boring because they fight in the same style in a fight how is a tope suicida believable to hurt someone

@@msmjsiajdgdhsjajahgshsjaje8990 Of course it was not supposed to be THAT sort of fight. They wanted exactly what you wrote there about boxing to be fixed in wrestling. Come up with specific "signature" moves for each wrestler. Glamourize it a bit, maybe show more holds and throws per match, so they had to come up with the "safe" versions. If you'd tell them in the 40s it'd mean a moronic loudmouth in a cheap polyester suit using a tennis racket so that his team would win. I think they'd freak out. Punches were to be illegal, used very little, to cheat. Hidden from the referee. Most of the clowns you did see now days wouldn't even qualify. Brett Hart, yeah, he'd be one of those that would have. But that "art" of the fake punch is stupid. They were trying to be the fake UFC before it came around. So the real one ate up their audience they've themselves ruined.

Maybe but I don't recall seeing or hearing it.

Same as Cornette. You look at NJPW with some of theirs, they chop for real, there are red spots on the skin, it adds that very realism. Benoit told the very first day training he threw a fake chop, he got a very real one in return so he learned quickly. No they don't throw fake as hell punches like Brett used to, but the forearms they do are pretty real. He hates that many more moves started being used in the U.S. since 1996. Malenko one of the people he hates that brought the style to the U.S. personally hurt his groin in an ACCIDENT. But Brett Hart never ever forgives, or forgets. I wonder just how many he's hurt that same way by an accident. plus yes, that newer faster paced style exposed his excellence of execution, technical king gimmick as a fraud. Cause right there in 1996 at least 6 or so people showed up in WCW that did more technical wrestling than I truly believe he even learned how to do. That had to hurt his ego a lot. I'd even say his brother learned much more of it, and was a champion in that style in Japan first. That too had to hurt.

Not just him

Taka did it too.