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Solving 12 Against 22 Polyrhythm in Chopin Nocturne Op. 9 No. 1 | Adult Piano Journey 

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@musthabe_
@musthabe_ Год назад
I've never learned a piece that had polyrhythm before but I just started practising these sections over and over until I got more muscle memory and fluidity and I've found that one of the biggest contributors to progress is.. SLEEP. Something happens in the brain during sleep that makes you already play it better the following day and it's pretty funny to notice how obvious it is.
@switchblad333
@switchblad333 4 дня назад
Funny thing about this is when I started to notice how much better I got at a piece the next day, I started looking forward to sleeping and playing and practicing the next day...
@quadricode
@quadricode 3 года назад
I believe the large strings of notes with odd time division are actually specifically “supposed” to be somewhat wandering and improvisational in nature. You see this kind of wandering in fantasias too. You *especially* see this in jazz transcriptions. Trust me, the jazz pianist (or saxophonist or …) are *feeling*, not measuring, the occasional septuplet figurations. Very rarely (of ever?) is there any “meaning” to be found in the exact time division of these phrases, as in music-theoretic meaning with harmony or otherwise, especially when pedal and rubato are characteristic. I think we just lack a good musical notation to convey this kind of intended approach to playing, however.
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 3 года назад
Ah! I didn’t know this about Jazz but it makes so much sense. I agree 100% phrasing is EVERYTHING and rubato turns the phrase from something mechanical to something lyrical. Yes, the notation for polyrhythms is confusing, especially if you’re trying to figure out what the composer intended.
@dernamenlose6200
@dernamenlose6200 Год назад
How was chopin able to know how to notate this idea (12 against 22)
@terryjones573
@terryjones573 7 месяцев назад
@@dernamenlose6200 He simply used what was already convention. Polyrhythms weren’t a new concept, but what WAS a semi-new concept (in Chopin’s time) was that the polyrhythm wasn’t intended to be played completely evenly. What the commenter is referring to is that the traditional polyrhythm notation implicitly instructs you to play it evenly, and we simply lack a standard of notation for the improvisatory nature of these and many other polyrhythms
@elwynhofmann901
@elwynhofmann901 3 года назад
Wow, what perfect timing. I just started learning this piece yesterday and was feeling intimidated by the polyrythm. Your video is the most helpful I’ve found so far, thank you!
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 3 года назад
So glad it helped!
@cnau21
@cnau21 Год назад
You have no idea how much this video is going to help me. I just started trying to learn this piece today, and was immediately stumped by the 6 on 11😂I just couldn’t think of a good way to solve this nightmare of a polyrhythm. I don’t encounter polyrhythms very often, so this piece nearly scared me off before I even began. Thank you!
@АсылжанМустафа
@АсылжанМустафа 2 года назад
that's an interesting approach to these types of polyrhythms, i usually learn both hands separately until it's pretty much automatic and then put them together, turn on autopilot and let both hands play independently from each other and add in rubato to make it sound even more convincingly
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
That's one way of doing it! That method is harder and longer for me so this is my workaround 😅
@MrScottmac99
@MrScottmac99 Год назад
I'm 72. I've been learning this now for 2 (?) years. Got it all sorted except for the polyrhythm on the last page, and I've __nearly__ got that sorted. For the first one, the one in your video, I worked at it for aaaages until now I don't really think about it. It does come out a little differently each time, but I don't mind that.
@callmeqt1269
@callmeqt1269 2 года назад
I’m experienced on the piano but brand new to sheet music so I didn’t have the guts to try treating it like a 12/6, but this helped me a ton. I’ve got them both now. Thanks.
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
So glad it helped!
@thadlabrie9627
@thadlabrie9627 2 года назад
Good chat around adept piano techniques. This one was a bit of a head scratcher for the first couple of days. In and around bars 15-20 now so now I get to work my memory with what looks like all kinds left hand variation in the the middle section🙄
@roseb2734
@roseb2734 2 года назад
I just started learning this piece and I’ve been doing a lot of listening and research! Thank you so much for your help!
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
No problem! Hope it helped!
@ottoleonardjonathan6606
@ottoleonardjonathan6606 3 года назад
Your quality is 10/10 !!!
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 3 года назад
Thank you so much!
@jozhaoyuansong6937
@jozhaoyuansong6937 2 года назад
your legato sound and phrasing is so beautiful !!!!!
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
Thank you Jo!
@mariatrotter6889
@mariatrotter6889 25 дней назад
Thank you … this helped me very much … your voice is pleasant ..
@pedrohenriquedadaltdequeir4859
@pedrohenriquedadaltdequeir4859 2 года назад
Thank you for those tips :)) I'm struggling so hard with these passages!!!
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
No problem! Hope it helped!
@alexandercarroll9707
@alexandercarroll9707 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for making this video, high quality and good down to earth advice
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 8 месяцев назад
Thank you! Happy to help!
@scAllblacks
@scAllblacks 9 месяцев назад
Extremely helpful video, thank you. I also just start learning piano again as a senior adult. Pls produce more videos!
@aminejebbor-thiery1388
@aminejebbor-thiery1388 Год назад
Great video, well explained, bravo!
@paolabertoglio2034
@paolabertoglio2034 10 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for your video, it is very clear and helped me a lot to understand how to play this 11 notes.
@friday7412
@friday7412 2 года назад
Love the video! but most importantly, your voice is so soothing omg
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
Lol! Thank you friend!
@denaro572
@denaro572 2 года назад
Such a good video! Currently struggling with the polyrhythms in the c sharp minor nocturne :V
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
Thank you! I hope it helped!
@denaro572
@denaro572 2 года назад
@@StanleyDo definitely!
@napdx1
@napdx1 11 месяцев назад
Very helpful. And you play beautifully.
@acj288
@acj288 2 года назад
this was super helpful, thank you so much!
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
No problem!
@Ziel23987
@Ziel23987 Год назад
So it's pretty much like Churchill saying "punctuate this sentence however you like"
@RandyMarsh32
@RandyMarsh32 2 года назад
Thank you so much, It has been very helpful for me trying to figure this out.
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
No problem! Glad it helped!
@gopal-musicperformances5189
@gopal-musicperformances5189 2 года назад
I am currently learning this piece for my Trinity ATCL program. I was always playing the poly rhythms as a combination of 4+4+3 in the beginning and then tried to get it to become more fluid but after watching you play it, I also realised that the ending 3 against 2 polyrhythm will not stand out as when the speed increases, it sounds more like rubato than a measured way of dividing 11/6 and 22/12. Thanks for the video.
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
I'm glad it helped!
@leexu8806
@leexu8806 2 года назад
Yo I did the exact same Edit: btw I think it’s very kind of you to actually share how you overcame this
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
Great minds think alike :) I'm glad to share it!
@okhayyam516
@okhayyam516 2 года назад
Brilliant. . .
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
Thank you!
@dani6906
@dani6906 Год назад
Thank you I was struggling with that part 😭
@jamesrobert4106
@jamesrobert4106 9 месяцев назад
I am an UTTER NOVICE trying to understand learning it as it so captivating and it scrambles my mind 🤯
@cyberbitus
@cyberbitus 8 месяцев назад
Very beautifully done. You play it a little slower than the usual, but it works! I think it makes that 12:22 rhythm much more beautiful; dreamy. I'm struggling with this one right now, also. Thanks for the tips!
@cyberbitus
@cyberbitus 8 месяцев назад
Does anyone ever play it the very same way twice? I think Chopin meant it to be an improvisational phrase. That's what makes this nocturne so beautiful and ethereal.
@scottweaverphotovideo
@scottweaverphotovideo Год назад
Wonderful musicality!
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo Год назад
Thank you! :)
@gloryshine1660
@gloryshine1660 Год назад
Excellent!
@eai554
@eai554 11 месяцев назад
Excellent solution, ultimately, not really a complex polyrhythm
@littit4258
@littit4258 2 года назад
1:22 I love recording songs with -38 years old, 11 years before the first recorder was invented
@santisav2
@santisav2 Год назад
I have 3 words for you: THANK YOU!
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo Год назад
You’re very welcome!
@Simoneemilie
@Simoneemilie Год назад
This Was super helpfull:) Thanks
@m.g.manuel3600
@m.g.manuel3600 2 года назад
I tried to play it perfectly 12 against 22 or 6 against 12 but it loses the emotion. I even tried midi
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
I agree! It sounds better when it’s not perfect.
@opoaotoroiocoko
@opoaotoroiocoko 7 месяцев назад
We have the same mind. I used the same method as you. I still struggle with the variation at the end.
@erggish
@erggish 2 месяца назад
thanks, I will try the 1:2 and 2:3 later...
@christopherjakela4097
@christopherjakela4097 Год назад
I am really struggling on the chromatic walk down when the right hand is on E. There seems to be a pause for the left hand to get back to Bb before the right hand hits Eb. Is this correct or am I reading the music wrong?
@MrCaleb0526
@MrCaleb0526 2 года назад
How about the last page's 20 against 6?
@mcinshadley
@mcinshadley 3 месяца назад
How about thinking of breaking it down to two blocks of 6 vs 11? :)
@toneseeker87
@toneseeker87 Год назад
drummersalmanac explained polyrythm in a beat approach. Hope it helps in your piano playing.
@odd7659
@odd7659 2 года назад
chopin was sadistic :[
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
Lollll indeed
@ekskelseor
@ekskelseor 2 года назад
You are so wonderful
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
Thank you ❤️
@sifugurusensei
@sifugurusensei 2 года назад
I'm relearning. This time around I can't do polyrhythm
@jamesrobert4106
@jamesrobert4106 10 месяцев назад
Rescue video 😄
@sifugurusensei
@sifugurusensei 2 года назад
So if I understand correctly, you practice like 12 against 6? Then gradually feel the polyrhythm?
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 2 года назад
2 notes in the right hand for every one note in the left hand, but the last two notes in the left hand will played against 3 notes in the right hand (2 against 3)
@sifugurusensei
@sifugurusensei 2 года назад
@@StanleyDo yes I understand that part but wont you eventually need to play a polyrhythm? That's makes it sound cool and hard
@PianoMan10
@PianoMan10 2 года назад
Good video. But the run at the end of the piece is worse!
@m.g.manuel3600
@m.g.manuel3600 2 года назад
I count it as 6 against 11
@bifeldman
@bifeldman 3 месяца назад
You don’t solve this. You play it. If I have any suggestion it is to work much harder on the left hand. Let the left hand conduct and sing along.
@opoaotoroiocoko
@opoaotoroiocoko 6 месяцев назад
First off. Lose the gay voice.... it gratuitous (yes I'm gay myself). I've been following for a while... leavinme feeling bereft of any real connection you have to the work/ peices/ etc. I would advise pianists disregard what you preach.... You are clearly quite talented.... nevertheless, Chopin is not your muse.
@StanleyDo
@StanleyDo 6 месяцев назад
People have made fun of my gay voice my entire life. I can’t just “lose” it. Grow up.
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