I am actually one of those people who passed the MSF course and knew that I was not ready to ride in traffic. I've taken two private lessons since (super helpful), and I am doing 30-minute practice runs around my low-traffic neighborhood (wearing full gear), just working on turns, stops, starting from a stop, throttle control, etc. So, we DO exist!! I'm also a 46-year old woman with a family, so probably more prudent than most....but I have a strong will to learn. I'm certain I can master these skills. It's just going to take time.
@@virginiatrailcameravideos Hi, yes!! I stopped riding when the pandemic hit and just started again in February (so basically started just a couple months ago). I bought a smaller motorcycle and have improved a LOT since my MSF course 3 years ago. I'm still not on busy roads yet, but I'm much more comfortable than I was. I do practice sessions, neighborhood rides, etc. just as I was the last time I started.
I was 42 when I got my license from constant pressure from my brother and his brother in law. I love it and it was that determination to perfect it that got me on the bike almost every sunny day since I got my license. The day I bought my bike I was scared $hitless leaving the parking lot. And could not get on the highway. So I took all the side roads to get home. The next day, I took the bike out on the main highways at 2am and got comfortable very quickly. After a few days it all felt like driving a car but just had to remind myself to keep my distance from the car in front and be extra cautious at intersections. Besides that, I love every moment on the road!
My MSF instructor's words at the end of the program: " You've now learned what you need to know to ride a really small bike in a really empty parking lot. Be careful out there."
That's what I realized when I did the MSF thing. I used the opportunities where we had to go from one side of the lot to the other to accelerate a little and shift up and down. Otherwise you end up with an endorsement having only ridden 20 to 25 at most and never shifted up beyond second gear in an empty lot. :-)
I am one of the few that go to empty parking lots and practice. I watch videos and duplicate exercises of yours and ones off MCrider. I started riding late in life. I figure that I need to increase my skill level quickly.
Same started late in life also, dropped the bike couple times but never gave up. Now I practice like you in empty lots. My low speed is much better now.
I am almost 34 and just started. Got my first bike (SV650) last week and have been riding every day. Unfortunately, because of covid, my city is not doing the written test or issuing permits whatsoever for the forseeable future (probably until next year), so i am just riding dirty and not venturing too far from my house. A cop in a forum mentioned to me that it is a known issue and if you have your insurance/registration and are not doing anything stupid, they are not really worried about not having the endorsement right now because it is literally not possible. I don't trust that answer though and know there are some cops that would probably throw the book at me for that. Anyway, I am having the time of my life and feel like a teenager again. This is probably going to be a lifelong obsession.
strongocho same here! I got my sfv650 gladius back in July. I’m 37 and a new rider but I feel like if I started back when I was in my early 20’s I would have killed myself. Maturity in life definitely helps to want to be safe on a bike.
As a 26 year old whose has ridden dirt bikes for three years, I now have a Honda Shadow 1100 and between Motorman and MC Rider I believe all the info we need is right here. I am trying to amass street riding knowledge and they are super helpful. Stay safe out there!
Yeah same with me im 20 and i was terrified of dling the msf and failing and got a CB250 and boufht his video. After i trained 2 weekends i went to the class and the instructors were shocked out how i rode the bike. Im proud of how far i got from just his video.
My wife took the 3 day class, the last day was in a downpour. She took the class to better understand the workings of the bike and to be a better Passenger! She passed the class and was voted the Most Improved. She had no intentions of riding her own, and is a Great passenger!
Hey, Motorman, we met a few years ago at a motorcycle show. I failed my MSF course the first time, took it again and passed. I just wanted to let you know that you HAVE met someone who spent about 3 months practicing in the parking lot before heading out onto the highway. I did it out of sheer determination. Now I've been riding for nearly 14 years. I'm a Patriot Guard Rider.
I am the guy you speak of that went to the parking lot for practice. I got a wild hair at age 58 and purchased an 85 1100 VT Shadow. Then took the MSF course and easily passed on the "toy' bikes. Within 30 minutes on the the Shadow, I had tipped it over on a back street. Long story short... I spent the next month and at least 200++ miles, going round and round, stop, start, tight turns etc. in a small parking lot down the street learning slow speed maneuvers. Figure 8"s, 2 parking spots wide, 2 long, easy enough. That first month has paid huge dividends in my riding ability.
Exactly! You explained this so well. I’ve enjoyed 30 years of wonderful, no accident riding. After watching and learning from you, I am humble enough to say you have made me a better rider. I never thought thatI needed to be better and safer until I found your channel. Thanks!
I must have been one of those rare persons who actually went to a parking lot, laid out the cones, and practiced turns left and right from a stop. My biggest fear was moving off from a stop on a steep hill. Getting the clutch and throttle just right to glide into motion was a challenge. Fortunately, there was a cemetery near my house that had four short hills, with varying grades from 5% to 17%. No traffic there and I could practice to my heart's content.
I appreciate an instructor who doesn't mind his students dropping their bikes if they learn a lesson. When I did the MSF course back in 2013, I had a really great instructor, but his only shortfall was that the entire day of riding would be immediately cancelled if someone dropped their bike twice in that day. Pretty absurd.
You haven't met me. You are still right saying you haven't met anyone who has actually practiced after the MSF course but I am one that did and still do because I feel that no matter how long you ride you can still learn something new everyday. I love riding and have respect for the ride and I appreciate all of your videos teaching me even more about riding.
I completed the MSF class on 6/13 and I have been practicing in a local community college parking lot 2 hours a time 3-4 days per week. This has certainly helped me. I am one of those who went directly to a 900# bike. No issues with the swerves and certainly improving in all slow maneuvering thanks to your tips. I am down to 24 foot U-turns.
These videos are extremely helpful. I have been riding since I got home from Viet Nam in 1967. Your videos REMIND ME of things I may have forgotten, or just don't use. These serve as a refresher course, and help me identify the things I have either eliminated from my riding style or gotten rusty on. I have your "Ride like a Pro thumb drive, and it has been a great help for me to fet back to proper riding. Thanks Jerry!!
Well I'm one of the unicorn you speak of Jerry. I wouldn't ride with my friends for 3 weeks after MSF class. I wanted to get over my fear of right turns before I felt comfortable. I practice in empty parking lots and around neighborhood. Wouldn't even get on main roads cause i didn't want to be danger to my self or others. Commuting to work and back probably increased my skill faster than if I only went on weekend cruises. I say my low speed is little better than my buddy who's been riding for years. Enjoy your vids Motorman ride safe brother.
I have been riding motorcycles since I was 10 years old, I am now 63 and I practice something every time I ride. Its never late to learn something new. At my age I have to be aware of my reflex, quick decision and response. I love to ride. Phx. Az.
Hey my name is Lisa and I've never road a bike except for being on the back. I bought me a beginner yamaha vstar 250. Well I've been paying full coverage insurance and my loan payment on it for 3 months now and haven't been on the road with it yet because I dont know how to ride it yet. Been trying to take a class to learn. Just wanted to share this just because I've been paying all this and know not to get out on it til I learn. Your videos are really helping me to keep the things you share in my mind til I take a class. Thank you for helping .
You nailed the profile of a guy going from a 500lb bike to a 900lb bike without any skills. The 900lb bike amplifies the lack of skill. That was me. I upgraded to a Harley Ultra Limited from a Vstar 1100. Suddenly, my confidence was dashed. Dropped it once while making a slow speed turn into my parking lot, then decided to take a class. Took a riders class where they taught u turns and various slow speed maneuvers, as well as emergency maneuvers, and it completely changed my riding skills. I've had plenty of opportunities to "practice" emergency maneuvers on the road too, and passed with flying colours. Slow speed maneuvers are fun now. Riding classes are one of the best investments I've ever made and I'll be taking more.
Remember folks. For practicing maneuvers it's called an Advanced Rider Coarse. Don't sign up for the beginner's coarse, unless you are feeling like a total noob.
Thank you Motorman for all the effort and creativity you put into your channel. I’m one of the odd ones who did practice my emergency braking and you turns after the MSF course but when I later bought the 900 lb bike I realized I needed more training. I got your USB training chip a few weeks back and I’m looking forward to setting up a parking lot for more training. Merry Christmas to you and Camera-girl. (Your twisty roads look great. They’re warm and dry!)
I purchased a 2014 XL1200T. Went to the DMV, took the written and got my motorcycle permit. The dealer offered the HD Coarse and I signed up. I dropped the bike in a slow turn and failed the course. Went to the DMV and took the riders test. The DMV provided a bright colored vest and head set. I got 7 dings, DMV told me it was the best ride they seen that year! Passed without a doubt. Why did I drop the bike at the dealer? Simple, I have handicap license plates on my XL1200T, need a cane to walk. Just standing is painful. The dealer would not let me pack my foldup cane in my jacket. Made me walk across the course every time we stopped for instruction on the next phase. I should have dropped out but went on. At one point I had to walk across the course to get back to the bike and ride the slow turn section of the course. The pain was dizzying and I stopped in the turn and laid the bike down! So far I do not stress my body before and during my rides.
Sad but true I never seen any motorcyclist practicing in a empty parking lot other than my self. And every morning you hear on the radio motorcycle accident. Bought a bike a month ago and it's all I do for a couple hours everyday and I'm having a blast doing it!
Jerry, we haven’t met. But I am that guy. I’m the one who after 20 years without a bike, took the class, and now, 9 months later, still go once per week and practice doing U-turns inside of two parking stalls. Yesterday, because of one of your videos, I was practicing emergency stops. I quickly realized how quickly, and easily, my rear tile locks up, and how much help the front brake is. Practice practice practice!
You may have never met anyone to continue practicing after the msf course. However I do practice still. I do ride on the road and I'll pull over into a vacant parking lot and I'll practice my turns and leaning breaking because the guy that taught the class had been riding for a long time he said he practices almost every week he'll take it to the Harley course and do the the riding course. He was a moto cop too. I really enjoy your videos I think they're insightful appreciate the knowledge that you're passing on I try to take into account every time I get on my bike. Thank you for the time that you take on these videos.
Great videos! My "believe it or not" Harley instructor from several years ago is someone who should not be teaching anyone and I routinely meet people who should not ride. I was talking to someone a few weeks ago who sounded like he had been riding for about a month and he said he's been riding for 30 years. Unfortunately there's so much that relates to the individual that they just need to figure out as a new rider that no one can really help you with. I preach Hi-Viz and full cover not to mention watch the people around you like a hawk.... there's a lot of eyes down in 4 wheels. Getting the "right bike" for you is the key. How it fits and geometry is so important to me..... I wrote down the characteristics of the bike I wanted then went shopping for it. I didn't even know the bike existed that I ended up buying and no one I spoke to had ever heard of it and few shops even carry it. When it's all second nature and fits like a glove.... that's perfection! So many people buy bikes like their phones... as in.... someone else tells them what they should buy.
I had a horrible experience at my first MSF class. Eight people in the class and everyone but me already had the skills to pass the test. For me, it was the first time I'd ever been on a motorcycle. The instructor was rushing through the course because it was July in Florida and he was more interested in finishing early to get out of the heat. I wasn't able to keep up with the others and was asked to leave the class. I subsequently found out that the instructor already had a bad reputation. I went to a different school and took private lessons and passed the first time. The instructor was great, took his time, and gave me a lot of positive affirmations when I did things right. Two completely different experiences, like night and day.
@@ron_grimes Exactly. It was embarrassing as hell to have to leave the class. Literally within the first ten minutes, having never been on a motorcycle in my life, I was expecting to accelerate, shift into 2nd, and make a turn. With seven other people who already could ride watching me. The private instruction turned that ten minutes into almost an hour. I ended up passing the test with no points taken off.
As a rider in the uk going from a sports bike to a BMW F650 gs Dakar with a different setup, I also haven't ridden for a few years but having watched a few of your videos my slow speed riding skills have improved tenfold and I keep practicing the techniques you outlined. These videos are invaluable as a reentry rider. Keep up the good work buddy. I will work my way through your videos learning as I go. Thanks...
I am a new rider! My turns sucked! Started watching motor man videos now I go practice riding everyday on my neighborhood streets. I have made so much progress! Now if people quit saying it's not a real bike because it's a xtown 300i. I chose this 500lb option rather than a 900lb beast right off. I am a stage 4 survivor and still fighting. This is a bucket list fulfillment. I wanted to learn to ride and do it safely and thanks to motorman I am doing just that after a year on this large scooter , maybe I will move up to a bigger bike. If and when that happens, I will go back for more training. Thank you Motorman not just for these videos but for going out and protecting and serving. #support our police!
I learned through Harley's Riders Edge then had the Sportster 1200 XLC as the bike I rode for around four years. I now ride an Ultra Classic. I rode the Sportster as a bike to develop my riding skills and moved up to a heavier model after building up my riding skills on a smaller one.
I had an ex paratrooper " train me.. great man. Very intensive but GREAT here in England. 21 year's ago 👍 Still I need to refresh. It's a skill that Always Always can be improved upon
I got my endorsement in December 2019, second try, after dropping the 400 pound toy on my leg the first try.... quick stop fail. Then the weather got bad, plus we went on a cruise. Couldn't get back on my bike again until April. I used our mobile estate community to practice friction zone, start and stop, turns and shifting. Then I realized that the pandemic was keeping the cars off the road. NO TRAFFIC!!! OPEN, EMPTY PARKING LOTS!! So I had my husband lead on his CVO Ultra Limited while I followed on my Heritage Softail. I wanted to learn technique and gain confidence by following his lead. Plus, we were hooked to our headsets, so we could talk to each other. My husband has been a fantastic and patient teacher for me. In all, I dropped my bike 4 times during slow speed maneuvers, duck walking to a parking spot, wheel turned too sharp while stopped and improper balance, and not paying attention to my throttle hand and clutch grip while stopped. I stepped away for about 2 weeks... talked to my bike because she is a real beauty. I even added some pinstripe and other personal touches to gain my trust in her. That's when I realized my bike was not at fault, I was, because of the lack of experience and the need to work my body, strength and muscles to balance even during a slow race. Now I can ride the city, freeway, mountain roads, parking lots, heavy traffic. I still need to master that darned u-turn, though. Those stupid ducks keep thinking they can do it for me! LOL You and your awesome wife, Donna, have both taught me tons as well. Can't wait to one day meet you both. Happy trails, be safe and we can all ride our own rides!!
My instructor is also instructor for the motorcycle police, we do three exams before we get our license in the Netherlands. First about eight private lessons of two hours just get practice safety skills on a quiet road or parking spot, then you have to pass the theory exam and after then we get lessons about twelve lessons of two hours on the open road to get to the final exam. All this was on een ktm juke so I had to practice some turning en stopping skills again when I got on my own cruiser for the first time. This took me three Sundays to master😃 My instructor let ride through grass and gravel and thought me how avoid crashing into a car by finding a way through the berm or a field.
I know a Dutch bike rider with 14 years experience and over 600,000kms in that time, all through Europe, New Zealand and Australia, where I am located. Even though our learner's courses are minimal compared to the Dutch ones its still better than America, where there seems to be no restrictions in what you can ride after you are licensed. That seems crazy.
My MSF class was Great. We had everything, a couple of guys that had been riding for years, a few ladies that were tired of riding Bitch, and one Lady who was there because her Sugar Daddy promised to buy her a Bike if she got her license. She destroyed the trainer bike. She Never used the clutch, and left her foot on the rear brake the entire day. The instructor was like F**** this I am going to learn you no matter what... I had a blast! I must of learned SOMETHING cause that was 6 years ago and I Ain't Dead Yet. Thanks Motor Man! You have taught me enough to survive for another Christmas with the FAMILY. Nothing Else Matters. GOD BLESS US EVERYONE!!
I started riding motorcycles when I was 14 now I’m 62 and still ride bikes. have never been in a accident. I always watch what I’m doing and what other people are doing on the road . I always fallow the laws of the highway. Always be alert of what is going on around you. People will always pull out in front of you from time to time like they don’t even see you coming down the road .
Well, I guess I'm that guy that took the MSF, and then just practiced in the parking lot up the street from my house for about two weeks, then didn't venture out of my little suburban streets for about another two weeks. Just kept practicing tight turns, the 'box', etc., mostly getting to point of doing certain things on the bike via muscle memory and instinct. Where I am in NJ, the traffic is insane, so I was actually terrified of riding out into it until I felt I'd mastered basic skills, and that my bike finally fit like a glove. .
Viewer#18... Great summary, Motorman! There are certainly some people who need significantly more training and practice to be able to ride, and it is not always fear that holds them back. If someone is physically outside the 90th percentile in their body size, there may not be a motorcycle that fits them, and the key to their success will be working with that person to customize the fit of a machine to them - changing seats, bars, pegs, levers - friends, if that person does not give up, do not give up on them! Cheers and Merry Christmas!
Ride like a pro and practice the slow speed drills ! Friction zone. Head and eyes. Feather back brake. Ride like a pro ! And don’t forget to give it enough throttle so the back wheel has enough power !!
I took the MSF class in South Daytona .I loved the course I learned a lot from the course .That was the best decision I ever made .I had a girlfriend that took it with me Her husband rode and she wanted to ride so we both took the course together .The course was very helpful .I say if you haven't taken the safety course you should I really like the safety behind 2 wheels .I took this course back in 2006 .I live in Upstate NY now and I just bought a 2009 Roadking and I love the bike only downfall is you can't ride all year up here eventually I will move back down there .I moved back up here to help out my parents ..That is what we do .Merry Christmas to you and your family Jerry and I wish you a Happy New year to you and the family .
Melissa stay on it, and good job. Enjoy your Roadking. Luckily I live in the South I ride all year around, well this morning was down to 34 degrees but no snow.
I’m you’re oddball. I did go back to the college campus we trained on and what was super easy in class was really hard (and frankly scary) on my Springer. Even got hassled by the campus cops once, but they ended up being cool about it. I had a lot of dirt/trail bike background from my youth, but never rode a big street bike before this time frame. Two years on, I still go back there and do the course, but not nearly as often as I should. I find it really surprising and honestly embarrassing when I see guys duck walking bikes of all sizes, especially when they wear a 3 piece or I find out they have decades of experience. I’ve been watching you for about a year and a half, but I need to cough up some chump change for one of your videos. For sure, I love these stories you tell when you’re riding, and would enjoy a whole video of just you telling more of them. Great stuff.
My neighbor; he doesn’t belong by on a motorcycle. Yeah he can take off and shift etc. But the guy has zero awareness of his surroundings or traffic around him. He’s about died twice totaling two Harleys in the span of a few years. As a lifetime rider I told his wife he has no business on a motorcycle.
We're so lucky in the EU that it's mandatory to do proper training. In Ireland you do 16-18 hours over 2 days. I had an awful instructor the first time who really knocked my confidence, he thought I couldn't manage the bike. I changed instructor then because I knew it in myself I could do it and nothing or no one was stopping me. They're only allowed 2 people on a training day, but this guy tailors to the need of the individual, it was just me and the instructor. We went through theory, then to a carpark with a long private stretch of road. The 2nd day, it was car park for a few hours to make sure I didn't forget everything, more theory in the classroom on rules of the road . He briefed me on the drive we were going on in traffic. Made sure we were both confident. Then we drove about 8km through different traffic situations (urban and suburban) through 5pm stop-and-go traffic, roundabouts, bends etc. Then at the end, I got my certificate to say I'm competent. He told me that I now have the BASIC training and that I have to drive at least 3000km before even thinking about booking a test before getting my full license. Having all of that training and information from someone who loved to teach was the difference between me riding or not.
That's what I believe as well. However, the, PC perpetually offended, sometimes wonder here and feel compelled to comment how offended they are. Of course, I offer them a 100% refund of the money they paid for the youtube video, back. That seems to offend them even more. And yes, that's why I do it.
I drive through a vacant parking lot and practice a little, on almost every ride I take. I still hope to take a class with Ride Like a Pro Great Lakes, this coming spring.
This comment isn’t all true sometimes people do come back to brc2 to advance that want to learn more they practice on their own to get better even practice trail braking speak for yourself not all people are same
@@ericnarvaiz9216 My statement was based on my facts of past students coming back to the RLAP program which I’ve been teaching for 13 years plus. Not other programs like you speak of. So I am speaking from myself.
The day my bike got delivered after I completed my MSF course, I went to this parking lot about a half mile from my house and did start/stops, u turns and even emergency stops and slow races. I'm still having trouble with a few things, particularly 18 feet Uturns and coming to a stop with only one foot. But I'm getting there, and I know I have the drive to get there all way. I don't take risks that aren't necessary, have a big support group of fellow riders that encourage and instruct me, And I'm making slow but steady progress. I did my first 50 mile stint today without any hiccups, through sharp winding roads and lots of start/stop traffic. I feel like I did okay. Looking forward to doing it again. Once I cross your minimum millage requirement, I may come down just to have you critique me in a class one day.
Don't worry about the mileage. Set up 6 cones at 14ft apart in a straight line. When you can weave thru them in the friction zone, 9 out of 10 times without knocking them over, you are ready for the class.
Oh how so true it is...One guy told us that he don't see why he need to practice u-turns. He could just walk his bike around as long as he take his time, he will be ok.
How many out there met those folks who said they don't need any lessons and if you see them ride, they REALLY do need lessons. Be really careful if you join in a run because you will have people in it who don't have good skills at all.
I really appreciate the videos. wish more people would ride but only if and when they're capable of handling it. We need less cars but also more knowledgeable drivers/riders.
Thanks for the videos Motorman I definitely plan on making it to one of your classes in the future. I got my endorsement a year ago and spent the next month riding laps around my house and property...then I wandered out into the subdivision and eventually the county roads...I've got over 6000 miles now.
100% agree with you Motorman. People need to be motivated to improve their motorcycling skills. Physical fitness also plays a role. Doesn’t matter the age. If you’ve neglected your body most of your life and as a result lack basic motor skills of balance and coordination you might possibly consider a Ryker or a some other similar more front end stabilized vehicle.
You made a couple of good points. Firstly, body english on a HD big twin will get you nowhere, the art of countersteering and holding a line with bar pressure is learned by practice. I am shure we all remember the first time on a big hog. The second is torque braking with rear brake, I picked this up in Japan while watching the police stunt team ride a long stretch of 4x4's, narry a wobble, amazing! I would just add that beating a yellow lite is not worth it, I was collected at a failure to yield on a yellow, 32 years on same Harley, custom paint and motor build, totaled. So much fun to be on a DCT Africa Twinn now, dct saves my left hip, and bike is a blast to ride 30,000 bench hours working for H-D, can't say I miss the bikes or the clientel. Ride what makes you happy I say.
Excellent! thank you Motorman, good balance of stories too. So true! I practice often. Although the local church with a huge empty parking lot calls the police when I use it to practice some circles and figure eights. They show up just as I'm leaving, I wave. :) Also, hard to find parking lots that are empty enough anywhere near me. So, I don't practice as much as I'd like to.
I took the MSF class in March and passed. Practiced in parking lots then my quiet, curvy, hilly neighborhood and eventually realized as a 5 foot tall female that 2 wheels really wasn't for me. So I got a trike instead and absolutely love it. Again, practiced in a parking lot then my neighborhood and eventually highways. Would still really like more information on riding 3 wheels but there just isn't a lot of training videos online.
I guess it’s a generational thing, I’m not gonna tell you how old I am but my sisters and I learned to drive from our Pop starting in his lap when we were little, little kids just learning to keep the car in it’s lane. We learned on standard transmission cars. Pop rode as well and we learned to ride from him too. The key to it all is using the throttle, clutch and brake together. Master the friction zone of clutch and brakes wile using the throttle and you should be golden. Then learn to keep your head on a swivel because everyone is trying to kill you as you ride through this world.
When I first got a motorcycle permit in Connecticut, the DMV told me it was a "one-and-done" thing. Now, I see that there is the possibility of two renewals, it's valid for two years. BUT, now I live in Massachusetts and I know people that renew their permit over and over and never get a license. I got my license at the end of a basic rider course, but I was only ready to view the Motorman's videos and practice, practice practice. Just like with cars, they call it an operator's license because they saw that you could operate the vehicle, doesn't mean you can drive it.
I got a 2004 softail and I'm not weak by any means and I could not use that clutch without being in a lot of pain, especially in stop and go traffic. I put one of those clutch kits that made it easier to pull and that made a world of difference. That stock clutch pull is absolutely ridiculous.
I don’t care how long i practice and have 10+ years of experience, I will always learn something new. I always expect to learn something new. I keep an open mind. I know and expect that when, not if, but when I meet you, I expect to learn a lot. I wish that I had know about you years ago. I worked for the Gwinnett County Sheriffs Dept. when I bought my 2008 Suzuki GSX 650f. It was their first sport touring attempt I guess. My very first bike. Fast forward 11 years and I just bought my dream bike, a 2020 Yamaha FJR 1300esl. Even with all of the practice that I had done on my old bike, when I bought my FJR, I felt so much more confident on her. I never felt like I was going to fall over when doing a U turn. My smaller bike, even though I knew that I would not fall, I always felt that sensation. It is weird, maybe you know what I mean. I hope when this coved 19 scare slows down, we can meet. Be safe
Thanks for the videos. I'm planning to buy an Indian Scout Sixty in... hopefully a few years (money money money), and I'll definitely be practicing. I live right outside a park with a few parking lots that are usually empty, perfect place to practice.
I took a MSF class and there was a lady there who said that she had never ridden a bicycle before and had no idea how to balance on a bicycle. You must be kidding me. About half day, she could not keep pace and rev the throttle at maximum by accident, luckily, not in gear. They removed her from the class before she killed someone.
Mattingray my wife couldn’t ride a bicycle when I started teaching her. But a 125cc and a few dirt roads later she had the hang of it. Gotta start somewhere bro, don’t dump on someone’s passion.
I started on a 1983 gs 250. at first in Arkansas under 500 cc you didn’t need a drivers license. After a year I had to get my license they made us do figure 8 in both directions and circles then a emergency stop at 35mph. Over time I learned it was instinctual be on the defensive because other idiots will kill you fast.
My super cub has a centrifugal clutch and low speed is sketchy because you have to rev up the motor to find the engagement point. I find low speed for me works best in 2nd for these kinds of drills. On my bigger bike, a 300cc sport bike, my only complaint is my hand cramps up holding in the clutch at a light. I wish it were like a compound bow where all the way in is effortless
I totally agree with you,I had a co-worker that we Rhode together once to a mc event it was all highway riding and when we got there she asked me to park her bike ,oh no I didn't I told her if you ride you should be able to park it and she did but when we got back home she never rhode again
Be comfortable with being on both brakes hard, and I mean stopping as fast as the bike is capable of stopping. Be completely comfortable with counter-steering. Ride in the left hand side of the lane. This gets you off of the greasy part in the center and forces cars to respect you as a vehicle. Keep both hands on the bars at all times. Defensive driving X 1000, meaning expect everyone to pull out in front of you.
New viewer from cinti oh just made a move on A 2020 sportster 48 reel rusty on two wheels been off scents 2002 can't get down there but will keep up with ur videos thanks moto man
Until you have to panic stop, brake and swerve, double-dip a deep pothole or something like that? I'm hoping you got some mind/muscle memory practice in by now.
Excellent subject, I never have taken any course but I passed the test with much admiration by the testing trooper here in Washington. I also have been riding motorbikes since I was 9 and have owned 7 in the past 52 years. Jerry, was that improper lane use at 4:30? Lol I believe that most should buy your video, mental preparation/visualization is a powerful tool. Cheers!
The trick is to be just slightly faster than the crowd. That way, YOU are in control rather than clueless cagers coming up behind you. There are other tricks as well.
@@garychandler4296 when the traffic light turns green I gun it until reach 40m/h. I leave the cars behind like planted trees. In a short moment the cars are behind me. Believe me. LA is crazy.
Actually Jerry additional practice is exactly what I did. Rode around parking lots practicing especially u turns for two to three hours. Then stayed on less traveled roads and just built up my skill set which I still practice often today. Not that I'am by any means perfect I did manage one morning to drop my bike in the garage after the kickstand retracted without me noticing, yes I'm still sick about it.
You need a trip down under to Perth, Western Australia, Jerry. I reckon you'd have full classes coming out of your ears. Thanks for the videos. I'm getting a lot out of them. Stay safe. Dave
I have the videos, watch you on RU-vid and still want to come and take the class because I know I can be better. Maybe I really want to meet camera-girl in person (lol). My motto never stop learning. Everyone needs a couch or mentor to help us get better. We didn't have motorcycle cops where I lived. I was at Tifton HD and they were rolling out a cops new bike. I was thinking I wish I was younger and could do that.
Hi JERRY When I got my motorcycle license in 1975 you went to the registry, paid 1 dollar for a permit then you went home basically taught yourself and went back about a month later and did a couple of figure 8’s once around the parking lot and that was it. What a joke. They’ve since changed that now you have to take the course. I guess their were to many accidents. This is in R.I.
If you can't slow ride it and keep it off the ground, it's either too tall, too heavy, or you need practice. In my experience, having seen 90lbs gals 5'1" slow ride a Vstrom 1000, a tall bike makes it harder, a heavy bike makes it harder, but lack of experience puts the bike on the ground.
I took my MSF class with a guy who would definitely fit into that "should not be on two wheels" category. He was an older guy, almost a senior, and funny enough he made his wife take the class with him just like you talked about! She was so uncomfortable and just couldn't get it so they ended up having to remove her from the class and her husband was not any better. I didn't even feel comfortable being near him. This guy couldn't start, stop or turn a little 250 suzuki motorcycle and he tells me he's got a Harley Road King at home waiting, OH BOY! He got the minimum score you need to pass but they still passed him. God help anyone that's driving around that man...
Steve Rivera I had a similar experience. I took the MSF course in a class of about fifteen to twenty. Three guys failed on the little bikes they gave us. They had no coordination and no balance. One retook the course and passed but the other two got an attitude and left. All three had gone out and purchased big Harley’s. Nothing like putting the cart before the horse.
We had a younger guy in our class like that and he never even rode a scooter before that day. You could see the sheer terror in him from start to finish, all the way through day two. But they passed him, and I thought they did him a huge disservice by that.
@MrRooster619 Well, it is too easy to pass really, but it’s a good idea even for seasoned riders to take it. Still, with all that, I was glad I had the riding experience I did when I went through it. Me and a friend were the only ones who had ridden much, and they gave us the hardest bikes to ride? You’ll learn more here for sure, and I’m going to order his course too. You sound like you’d have passed one even if it was twice as hard, so good on you being determined.
@MrRooster619 That bike just might work well for you but maybe not others. Guess my point was that in my opinion most sales people only want the sale and are not concerned about the buyers safety.. I am a MSF Ridercoach and a Harley Riding Academy coach and hate hearing a student talk about the new road king they bought and that the sales person tells them dont worry the riding academy will teach them to ride.... That's all. Ride safe.
I had a friend take and pass the MSC recently. You walk out with an M endorsement... and really no practical skill. It is a terribly helpless feeling watching them make mistakes or potentially fatal mistakes ahead or behind you and you can really do NOTHING about it at the time. I have a bluetooth headset that can do bike to bike communication and I am seriously considering dropping the money on another so I can realtime suggest slowing down, or whatever else needs immediate fixing. She has pretty good skills and took the suggestion to sell the bigger bike and get a smaller, lighter one. Judgement of turns and not being intimidated by cars behind you will come. On the subject of wives... mine spent 2 weeks on the back of mine and declared she wants one. Got her a little KZ550 and we did a lot of parking lot work till she had the basics down. We spent a lot of time in the evenings on back roads learning at a nice easy pace to deal with turns, stops, starts on a hill, and we all gained experience before having to deal with loads of traffic. She now has an Intruder 800 because she recognizes a light bike she can get both feet solidly down is what she is comfortable with.
Everyone starts out differently. I think it was 1973 when I was 8 I rode a mini bike at my friend's house, he had 2 so we rode all over the 80 acres behind his house. It wasn't until 1997 I went to a motorcycle rider class because I never knew it existed before then. It was super easy and fun.
I liked the MSF course. The military made us take at every new base we attended. I have taken it several times. It wasn't until I retired and joined a riding group that I learned about the advance course. Long story short I took the MSF course with my daughter, then we, daughter and I took the HD advance course. Doesn't seem as good as yours. However, my daughter which is 5,11 130 lbs, rides my Ultra Classic. Can't manipulate the clutch buy a new Goldwing. I cannot believe the number of people who do not want training. We expect pilots, doctors, lawyers, tax accountant, teacher to constantly take courses to be the best they can be. Why wouldn't we want to constantly be better in what we are doing. We all need training. With something that can kill you, you would think we would want to know more. Hey I was the guy that keeps on striving to be better.
its my opinion that motorman touches on a really important subject... "rider fitness" that its important to do some kind of working out/stretching to keep your body fit for riding. you don't have to be mr/ms olympia, but your body needs to be conditioned to ride safe motorcycle riding is a very physical activity in parking lots/stop lights and other slow speed situations. also... PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE! if you only ride once or twice a month, you will be unsafe, because every time you get on, its like starting from scratch if you take LONG LONG breaks between riding, you'll always be back to near square 1 1/2.
