Sony FX30 + ProRes RAW | Worth It? 

5:20 it seems like FPC *does* have built-in noise reduction, it's under the effects tab

nobody noticed the dogs "doing it" in the background? woof!

Came for the fantastic straightforward presentation, stayed for DogHub. Subbed!

Man, you covered this so well. I have said it before, this is your sweat spot type of video, you do them so well. You have just saved viewers of this video so many hours of research and testing.

Thank you for the very informative review... and the end scene, too!

Simply Amazing! Thanks for such a thorough explanation!

Ive watched tons of vids about the Ninja V and never heard about it being loud. Which means for run n gun documentary filming, if used with the FX30 and the XLR handle unit, it will most likely affect the audio. Thats very new info to me… Thanks for highlighting its noisy aspect.

I did a fairly extensive testing of shooting ProRes Raw with my FX30 recording to a Ninja V and pretty much agree with all of your points. I also edit and grade in DaVinci Resolve Studio 18 and those extra steps to get media to work in it are a pain. Since there is no chance that I will go back to editing with Adobe Premiere or Final Cut the cons you mention are real barriers. I do find your remarks about the Ninja V interesting. Mine gets warm but never hot, and the fan is barely audible. Shooting in S Log3 Cine EI has given me more control than I deserve.

Informative stufff here. The ProRes raw video at 8:37 is waaay better than the HS so I’ll be paying attention to this more. Thanks for contributing. You are appreciated. I haven’t found time to do this stuff yet but will soon

Thanks for this video. You just saved me a lot of money

Good RAW of the dogs banging at min 1:11 definitely a must test when testing RAW capabilities lol 😂. PS : your image quality is stunning! I do like the difference and I think is better!

First video that I see that covers the crop, that’s a no go for sure for the fx30, thank you! I will go for Linux s5x or Fuji hx2s 🤟

Thank you so much for this video, just got my 2nd FX30 and wanted to know if I should look into ProRes recording but will skip that for now 🙂

So clean, ur video so usefull! thanks

I am sure Sony could unlock true open gate 6K full sensor RAW recording- but that might be too much of a ‘threat’ to their higher end cameras!

Finally have a better idea of it all, thanks!

Nice video. Subscribed!

Lmboooooooo Your dogs were getting busy at 1:30

Almost bought a fx30 but happy I bought an A7iv to go with my Pocket 6K. The BRaw workflow is still unmatched at this price point.

Great video, thanks for this. I'd just like to add to the conversation -- a lot of filmmakers prefer a 1:1 pixel readout on a sensor. Subjectively, it gives a more organic feel to your image because it there is no down sampling going on (which why some people prefer the look of the FX3 rather than FX30). Add on top of that; cinema glass and a 12-16bit color, you tend to have a more "cinema" look. I have an FX30 and do shoot RAW over HDMI, but I also use a PL > Sony E metabones speed booster with Tokina cinema glass attached to it. I enjoy the look I get out of this camera very much.

Thank you! This cinched it for me. I already have a ninja v, but I couldn't decide if I was going to do all my shooting in raw or not, but I had no idea it was ditching the 6k downsample AND adding an additional crop. That + the insane file size makes it no longer worth it for me

Thanks Phillip, Now I know I don´t need ProRes RAW. I can focus on more important things.

This is a great, very useful video, and applause to you for making this! Funky cats too! I have a Blackmagic 6K Pro and an FX30, and a Ninja V. Raw is superb on the 6K Pro, with full integration into Resolve and the Blackmagic film LUTs. I agree however with your comments about the Ninja V running hot. It does this with any camera and the fan is definitely audible. The crop factor for Prores RAW on the FX30 with the Ninja V, lack of NLE compatibility and the lack of in-camera processing are deal breakers for using ProRes RAW on the FX30 for me. The XAVC Intra codec on the FX30, with the SLog3 and Cinetone produces very high quality footage when recording internally, with the benefit of in-camera processing on the FX30. An added plus, finally, is that Sony's Catalyst software can use the gyro data in the Sony-recorded files to stabilise the files without the dreaded warping you can get in NLEs. This isn't available for ProRes RAW footage. So Raw for me on the 6K Pro but definitely not on the FX30! Applause again to you!

I think raw is more of a future proofing aquisition format. If you're doing SDR web content it hardly seems worth it. However, as HDR starts to become more common I could see more advantages there, since more color information and dynamic range is retained, bumping up the data in acquisition could be quite useful.

All good points - the real question is where will this ‘bitage’ going to end up being displayed - anything larger than an iPad for a One-Shot event like a wedding (or in my case shooting a play) I go for ProRes over HDMI which is still cheaper than RED/ARRI cameras… YES! Before even thinking about ProRes you should have a NAS RAID storage device of at the very least 3TB and a DAS backup for the NAS

the background shot on 7:22 is wild 😂

I bought the Lumix S5 for it's RAW capabilities. BRAW 6K(5.9). I bought the FX30 for the auto focus and focus breathing comp (focus breathing comp isn't really needed on my S5). I can't believe why Sony don't put out a 6K RAW. That and that is won't put out BRAW makes me not thinking of using the FX30 for RAW. Yes, I'm using Davinci Resolve. I have now preordered the S5mkII-X, we will see if it replaces them both.

Nothing new in this video, but I liked your opinion at the end. For me, the FX30 + Ninja can be compared to Blackmagic. The FX30 + Ninja basically becomes a very expensive and cumbersome Pocket 4k. But the FX30 alone is a Pocket 6k with autofocus, built-in oversampling, smaller file sizes and better lens options. I’d get the Ninja for monitoring, but only because I want the Atom Cast combo. Otherwise I’d use a regular monitor for false color / waveforms.

bought a 2ndhand ursa mini 4.6k braw and powerful sensor, never look back

I pretty much only shoot Prores raw on the FX3 now and to my eyes internal codec just doesn't cut it anymore. The color depth, detail and a more filmic image just make it a no brainer.

BRAW or bust! Big fan of Blackmagic's efficiency and speed; S-Log3 integrates reasonably alright with Blackmagic Film log, so I just mix the cameras on shoots but default to my BMPCC's when the dynamic range of an environment calls for it -- better than the expense and bulk of an external recorder, and no crop.

Great channel and vid. I bought the Ninja V cause it was a 100 off and I wanted a monitor. Seems like the Raw is not really worth it for the fx30. Maybe if I upgrade in the future.

Yes With the Sonly Fx 30 shooting Prores RAW, is not really ideal, if you have your heart set on shooting RAW for video i would say go with the Blackmagic 6kpro camera that shoots true RAW with no setbacks, at all, you just gain the all the good reasons to shoot RAW.. With the Sony Fx30 just shoot with the Ninja V+ in prores HQ you will get a much better quality image.. The only real benefits to shooting RAW weather it's video or Still pictures, is that it's more forgiving for exposure and white balance, meaning if your white balance is off a bit or your exposure is off you can change the ISO and settings you would on your camera in post without the video image falling apart because all the information is there.. So my advise is just don' screw up when shooting with the Sony Fx30 and make sure your white balance and exposure is good and you won't need to shoot Raw.. And you will get a much better image, what good is it to shoot RAW with the sony fx30 to fix white balance or exposure when the rest of the quality of the image is degraded, makes no sense... I never bother with Prores Raw with the Sony Fx30 because it's just not good, you get a huge crop , no 6k to 4k down sample and your image is less sharp and your video files are 3 times the size and it takes up more space and makes your Atomos Ninja work harder, this is totally useless in my opinion they should have left that feature out and gave you something else that you can use such as built in ND filter or shutter angle or even used CFexpress type B rather then the old shitty outdated CFexpress type A system... CFexpress type A sucks, it's old technology, it's more expensive for the media cards, and the larges CFexpress type A card you can get is 160 GB which is useless, and it cost $500.00 where you can get a 500 GB CFexpress type B card for $500.00 or a 1.2 TB CFexpress type B card for around $800.00 and CFexpress type B is much faster and more reliable.. Why Sony Insist on using the old CFexpress type A is beyond me, oh wait i know because Sony Owns CFexpress type A technology and so when some company who manufactures a CFexpress type A card Sony Gets paid < yeah that's it... So in truth, Sony would rather get the money and in turn cripple it's customers, they don't care.. LOL That is one of the things Sony needs to do is knock that crap off and get rid of that CFexpress type A crap out of their camera's it's out dated no one wants it it's useless.. What they need to do is start building camera's that can use SSD Drive Technology like Panasonic does, that is more affordable media to record video to you can by a 2 TB M.2 SSD drive For around $250.00 rather the 1.2 TB CFexpress type B for Over $800.00 all camera media cards are over priced which is why i shoot with the atomos Ninja V+ so i can record all my Video to An SS D Drive, the same media companies who make the SD cards Make the SSD drives and charge less then half the price in storage size , a V90 SD card with 1.2 TB cost close to $800.00 to $1,000.00 where a 2TB SSD drive only runs you $250.00 and they are more reliable they have top of the line error correcting because it's a Computer Drive where you install windows and it needs to write page files and do tons of error corrections so your windows operating system doesn't get corrupt, Your windows system files don't get messed, why? because Hard drives and SSD drives has tons of error corrections, if you use a SD card as a hard drive you would be re-installing windows every month LOL.. Lose the SD cards use SSD drives that is the way to go..

Sony really needs to add X-OCN LT to these cameras. It's a lightweight format that is amazing to work with. And it's 16-bit to boot.

Great video. I have FX30 myself and I wonder about the monitor but the crop when recording in ProRes raw scares me a little. Do You know if I can recording with Ninja v in ProRes HQ codec and if there is a crop?

Well… after this I’ll probably give up recording externally with the FX30. But I still would like to use a good (and affordable 😊) external monitor for the FX30 (and A7IV) for better expose and stuff… Which one would you recommend?

I agree, the. crop kills the RAW output value. I want to shoot stock video and in my testing the PreRes RAW, besides the crop, was way too noisy.. I am leaning towards 4k/60p via HDMI to the Ninja V as that is still a better quality file than internal without many of the RAW hurdles. Curious if anyone else is doing stock with this setup and their finds.

The dogs ensuring this video is a banger😅

what is the color space of the ProRes RAW?

should have checked the regular ProRes recording when setting the camera to all intra in the highest bit rate , which is the way to go I believe in terms of quality , space and price relative to cf express type A cards recording , then you you would still get the camera downsampling 6k to 4k. but Its only based on information I gathered and still needs confirmation.

how is the highlight recovery vs log?

@1:07 lol

Of course Final Cut has noise reduction. It's not great, but it's been there forever.

7:22 What is happening behind u lol

No interna sharpening is a good thing.

How the hell can the fx30 shoot 4.7k ProRes raw and my A1 can only do 4.3?

The crop instantly makes a BMPCC4k a better RAW camera than the FX30 sadly.

If I buy the ninja V+ can I record with the fx30 without the crop?

Am I the only one that peep 😂 🐶

I still don’t understand what FX30 RAW is because 6k sensor. Is it cropped 4K RAW or full sensor 6k RAW?