Soreness Doesn't Matter?? 

Bro 😂😂😂😂😂

i’m insanely new to lifting and i hear “to failure” a lot, what’s this mean

@@hellbenders87 when you fail to complete a rep with a "proper" form.

@@hellbenders87it means do the exercise as hard as u can until u fail every set

@@hellbenders87it means going as hard as you can until you can’t push out anymore reps and your muscles just don’t give out.

Hasn't this been scientifically disproven? I remember research on this topic about 10 years ago.

@@disturbed157basically soreness doesnt mean a good workout, but if you know you trained well by doing quality sets, if you arent getting sore it could be due to not training hard enough or not doing enough volume

​@@disturbed157it's not general soreness. Painful soreness is bad. But that endorphin rush type of soreness is great. When you know you targeted a certain group and feel that "stretch feeling/back roller" soreness. You know the sensation.

@@gnorthey Yeah, like he said. But I think that’s very rare, you got a guy working out regularly, and doesn’t realize he’s not going to at least fatigue, technical failure, or all out failure. This issue is, excess soreness lasting days. That scientifically, and almost obviously, cuts into recovery time. Then you’re working out again, and that turns into over-reaching-where you are definitely not at 100%… to full-blown over training, where you’re just run down, or just not quite feeling yourself for several months. Or living in that state for years. Asking too much of the sympathetic nervous system, constantly being in that fight or flight mode, will lead to health issues. Kind of a moot point, this particular video, as that’s not a very common place to be, not going hard, and wondering why you’re not growing.

@@disturbed157 That soreness is not needed-and is actually contraindicated? Yes! That was brought to light decades ago at least. Train what is optimal, not what is tolerable. Gotta be scientific about it. It’s OK to feel a little stiff… but no reason to get your clients, or yourself, sore. Specialists even goes so far as saying it’s a ‘trainer‘s fault’ if the client gets too sore-because we should know better. If your chest is sore for 4, 5, 6 days, you are just digging yourself into a hole that will be hard to get out of… and you definitely don’t want to hit it again until the soreness is gone. Another misconception is working out while sore. All depends what your goal is. That’s not the way to grow muscle.

Facts

He was right about understimulation. I used to do calf raises on the floor but after doing them on the stairs with and increased ROM, I felt sore calfs.

​@@disneyfan_1237calves

This is a bad conclusion. Theres muscle strength imbalance in your compound movement.

@@thenewyorkhip-hopspot5485 🤣💦

Short dudes*

Love this short dude’s shorts dude

@@Adrian-cn5rkShort Dr.* He is probably certified for emergency colonoscopies so… you know…. Watch yourself

Ok I thought I was going crazy because at first I would be sore the day after, but now after working out consistently for the past year I’m not sore till 2 days after.

@@DragonflyJones-1 you are on the right track👍

@@DragonflyJones-1 *no muscle soreness is caused by acid. And we're still not exactly sure why DOMS takes 24-48 hours to kick in OR what causes it. Hint: we do know it's 100% not muscle tears, as those occur during the workout. leftwinger's high or something, or learned all this in the 70s

A couple of days? Soreness is not a good thing in itself

@@Mach9330 Man, you guys really gotta read up on your exercise physiology a little bit. so many of you guys here are just spouting off random misinformed opinions. I’m getting a kick out of it. But I know I shouldn’t be watching these, but he is entertaining. Just wild to hear the same gym myths in the comments, as I used to hear 30 years ago when I was a kid. 😝🤘🏻🇺🇸

Same here. I also train less hard then I used to because I get injured too easily regardless of my technique etc. When I did train very hard I was always sore. Kinda like it how it is now, still making similar gains but less rekt all the time and more safe from injury.

I’ve been training everything once a week for the past 6 months and have progressed in weight pretty much every week to two weeks and I still get just as sore if not more sore than the week before, if intensity stays maxed out I don’t think you should not be sore at all

@@sethharris8911 I go to failure on every set. If you only hit each muscle once a week, and you have been doing it for 6 months, your body might not have adapted fully yet. Glad to hear you are still having good progress.

@@Pivitrix I understand what you’re saying there could be some truth to it but I think if the reps are staying the same and the weight is going up then I have to be recovering and adapting

​@@NofirstnameNolastname*than

Your comment perfectly described how my body works as well. Cool to know that I'm not totally effing it up and it's just naturally how mine and others bodies work.

@@masonlenox6829 Shorts can be misleading. I came across a video ("does soreness = muscle growth") where Mike talks about soreness as a secondary sign of growth. He says lack of soreness would be indicative of improper (or insufficient) training if you are not feeling the target muscle during the exercise, you are not getting any pump or some fatigue, you are not getting any stronger and bigger. So these are greater indicators. If you are feeling the muscle, if you are getting stronger, if you have adequate volume, then having no soreness doesn't mean you are not growing optimally. That said, he also adds if you check all the other boxes and you are still not getting soreness, you may try to increase the volume a bit, change up some exercises to see if that gets your target muscle a bit more responsive to hypertrophy and maybe then you will get sore. It is not a conclusive sign, but it can be a sign that you could do a bit more. Again, I agree generally, but I know I do most I can and some of my bodyparts still don't get sore. Like I said, my side delts for instance. I can always feel them, I get crazy pumps, and there is a limit beyond which training them more becomes junk volume as I have no strength left in them. Still, I don't get sore, and in a day or two I can still hit them intensely. Traps, the same. Quads are the opposite for me. Any direct training gets me so sore and I need to carefully program my volume so I can train them twice a week. I can get my lats sore by focusing on strict technique and keeping them under tension in a stretched position, but they usually only get sore like for a day only, even following a high volume training. So each bodypart is different, it seems correlated to muscle size and fiber type, though I could be wrong about it.

1 set to failure followed by 5 mini myoreps. No soreness, but the gains are visually there for sure 💪

Isnt that what dorian yates used to do

1 set to failure plus pre exhaustion isolation set and I'm extremely sore afterwards

@@mml3140people ignore that he did do several “warmup” sets of each exercise, but counted the last, all-out set of each exercise as the “working set”. I always suggest watching his Blood & Guts training video when he was training for one of the last few Olympia’s he won (I forget the year it was filmed). You can see he does several sets before the last one, which included several negative reps assisted by his training partner pulling the extension part of the rep for Yates to empty the tank with negative reps till failure. His autobiography (“Dorian Yates: A Warriors Story”) is free for download on archive and he supposedly goes into detail on every aspect of his training. I haven’t read it yet, but this exchange just reminded me and motivated me to download it and check it out. When I was first starting to lift in a more “bodybuilding” style way to gain mass I followed his training and weekly training schedule (which was four days a week, mon & tues on, Wednesday off, thurs & fri on, sat & sun off). It was still the most efficacious and productive split I’ve ever used. It takes discipline and confidence to take three days off a week, but I’ve been leaning towards trying it once again, this way I can find out if it still benefits me the same or if I was just young and growing no matter what I did, as long as it was with intensity.

Same bro, I did RPE, high volume for 5 years and made 0 gains, actually lost strength. Started going to failure and added 70kg to leg press in under 2 months. I’m starting to think everyone is different and what works for others may not work for some.

@@Kafufflez yup i have very stubborn muscles (as a naturally "skinny fat" type) that needs extreme intensity to grow.

Soreness is the only indicator I have.

I think most people should train to failure. Dr Mike already talked about this before but most people don't even go through volitional failure.

​@@parker940thats just another word for being underfed and undertrained.

@@williamg3270 Hard, but not smart. Since you overtrained.

I mean legs and back and chest always get sore most of the time if your a beginner and intermediate and even advanced if you train them hard and to failure

If you're training to failure a lot but rarely getting sore, are you sure you're using heavy enough loads, hitting the muscles you're targetting and doing enough volume?

Calves

it's so weird how vastly different some people are. After years of training, I still get sore for about 4 to 8 days, depending on which muscle.

@@willh1655i think people who dont get spre are not training hard enough. I used to do like 9 sets of chest and not get sore. Now i go to failure and soreness is guaranteed

​@@nohandskiller8912 I go to failure in every set and my growth has been steadily despite not getting absolutely sore every time. A little bit maybe 3 times a week but not brutally

idk when i try focusing on eccentric for lat pulldowns i just feel it in my wrists

@@TheSarenarass what grip do you use? What weight do you use for how many sets and reps? Is it pain or fatigue? I feel it in my fingers because that’s just my grip fatiguing.

@@danieldanielson2324 Overhand wide grip, Usually I actually do assisted lat pullups but for pulldowns it'd be around 60kg/132lb for 4 sets doing about 10-15 reps slow over a minute was what I used to do but my forearms would always burn out first and I found I felt it less in forearms if I went fast (like doing 15-20 reps in same time instead). I don't feel anything in fingers but will feel like I have to stop because forearms burn too much and sometimes I'll just have crazy forearm pump but small lat pump lol

​@@TheSarenarass​@TheSarenarass You could try using a smaller rep range with more weight(6-10RM), explosive concentric(1sec), hold it for 2sec at the peak, smash your back, and a controlled eccentric for like 2-4s, dont hold your scaps, let it go all the way up and repeat

@@Frinx2 aight. I'm on my deload week but I'll let you know how that goes soon, thanks for the advice 🙏

That’s….not what this video is saying. At all.

From the books I've read and techniques learned and applied, your statement is the defacto. Just a couple years myself, and consistently changing to compensate for body adaptation and chasing the pump/DOMS, I've outpaced and caught up to those that have been lifting for many more years than me.

Your front delts don't get sore from pressing exercises? Mine do .

My mid delts hardly become sore. My rear and front do.

@@Derek8487 not shoulder presses no.

Me too, but that changed when I started doing unconventional variations that caused way more muscle damage and used a lot more weight, than normal lateral raises and upright rows. After using exercises like that long enough I accrued enough muscle fibers in my side delts to cause good pumps and got DOMS from other lifts like upright rows and shoulder presses to the front and back. I have never been the biggest fan of lateral raises for generating muscle damage or getting sore. I've actually never liked them at all really.

@@ProphetFear I get awesome pumps when I do shoulders. I train them hard too. Usually about 5 sets of a heavy free weight press, then a bunch of lateral/front/rear fly type stuff. I superset a lot also. Just can never seem to be actually sore the next day.