If they didn't want him to do it, they shouldn't have given him consent in that hotel room. There were two grown women, they could have said "No". He has never been accused of assault. He's not a violent man. I gladly give him my money.
This seems more about revenge than some sort of honest hard hitting journalism. Seems like they just want him to crawl in a hole and die and I think he has every right to say “no” to that request
It is. It's looking for clout by picking a easy target. They couldn't do real stuff like looking into how Bill Clinton and the Democrats removed Glas Stegal.
These poor women… they wanted so badly to be funny that they are willing to make hilariously bad attempts at hurting the career of someone actually funny. All they had to do was be funny.
Is this seriously a documentary about people being mad at fans for forgiving an all-time top 3 comedian for doing something morally ambiguous? Give it a fucking rest and make a documentary about Will Smith or something else of actual substance.
Will Smith is hardly a story with substance. What’s there to say: he has a rocky relationship and an embarrassing public moment? Not much meat on those bones.
@@Dmdm_dm Point being it was a pretty stock-standard case of a guy putting his hands on someone when he shouldn’t have, not an instance with so much depth and complexity that it warrants a documentary like OP is implying. I also never said he shouldn’t face consequences, so.
@@MC-rn9dy The massive power imbalance when it was 2006 and Louis CK was performing at a comedy festival? You do realize this didn't happen at work either, right? This took place in a hotel at night after they had drinks in the lobby. You might as well say there's a massive power imbalance whenever someone with a lead role on a film ends up trying to do it with one of the smaller supporting actors.
Louie never forced any of these people to do anything. At what point do they take responsibility for their own choices? Also, no one knows who any of these comedians are. Is Louie still causing their lack of talent?
@@MC-rn9dyThere is an implied power imbalance, that’s why he apologized. It’s kinda weird an inappropriate, but that’s the extent of it. How are we gonna parse out what’s abusive when adults vocally consent? Do we have to check bank accounts and only the richer person is capable of consent? Louis can’t ask anyone for consent who admires him as a comedian? Women don’t like him for his hair or abs, so essentially any woman who is attracted to his humor is incapable of consent? I’m genuinely curious how we draw these lines. Louis did something weird, not abusive. Or if you do think it’s the latter, what could he have done differently?
Umm you don’t understand that people use their positions of power to coerce people? Or is it a reasonable transaction? Like being in need automatically makes you a sex worker?
@@duxnihilo he’s been back for years. Won a Grammy for his last special, sold out Madison square garden. One of 5 comedians ever to do so. He’s dominant.
"You've been socialized in this world where men get to treat women however they want" Man, that sounds like a fine place, can you point me in the direction of that planet? Drop me the star charts? 👌😆👍
Quite an interesting premise. The whole “controversy” rests on the idea that someone who did something wrong/gross but not illegal should 1) be ostracized forever, 2) never allowed to work in their industry again and 3) publicly shamed for the rest of their life. Is he supposed to not earn a living or something? The only crime was that he gave these women the “ick” and if it was someone rich and attractive there’d be no problem here.
same goes for destroying people's careers for being bystanders when women are taken advantage of it's not illegal, might be morally wrong but there isn't a law imposed on people to intervene
@@FruityHachiI genuinely want to understand what you're saying, but I'm bumping against the lack of punctuation and capitalization. If I could definitively discern where one sentence or clause ends and another starts, it would greatly aid my comprehension.
@@chrisdalton5646 4 people are able to understand despite the lack of punctuation and capitalization so the problem is you and if you don't understand, that's not my problem, I wasn't talking to you
King Louis is above all of this. He is a truly transcendent comedian who will be remembered as the best of his generation. This garbage will be forgotten within a month. Long live the King!
@@pollygray7139 I suspect you won’t provide any points as to why LCK behavior was wrong? To me he appears to be more than a decent human being, compassionate, caring and and very reasonable, and probably therefore he thought he should apologize in this situation because he didn’t want anyone to feel bad for something he might have done, and that was a big mistake as people like yourself aren’t interested in what actually happened, and that I don’t think he was prepared for. If LCK is anything close to what he’s been accused of, do you think his female friends Sarah Silverman and Janeane Garofalo would go out and publicly defend him? Think about that for a while. I’m guessing you don’t have anything against sex? I’m guessing you don’t think asking for consent is wrong? The people he asked were ALL grown ups, they weren’t underaged, they weren’t mentally challenged. So you tell me what’s the problem here?
@matsfrommusic you don't see anything wrong with blocking doors so you can force women to watch you jack off? Just because Sarah Silverman was into it doesn't mean every woman is into it. And why do you guys always forget that he straight up admitted to it? It's not like it's wild speculation.
It's about time he is forgiven for doing these consensual things. This is 2024 now, not 2010. Men want to do things with women, so you either consent or you don't. If you consent, you don't get to destroy the person forever.
I think it's really telling that this many people don't really seem to know how consent works and that coercion is actually bad and not how to get laid.
He asked for consent & got it. The women said yes. To compare this to actual victims of sexual abuse is insane. My mother, my sister, my first love, my wife & many friends didn't say yes. They weren't given a choice.
Some of the women said they thought he was joking. And others said they felt pressured becahse he was so famous and could maybe hurt their careers. In any case it's inappropriate workplace behavior, but not sexual assault, even though they want it to seem that way.
@@andreic048 Nah, it's still definitely sexual harassment. No matter how polite he was asking for sexual favors, he was still asking for sexual favors from a place of power which inherently puts pressure on those below him.
I want you to do a long deep breath and think about what you just said. Correct, they weren't given a choice, but being given a choice where consequences of making the wrong choice is carried out by the very person asking is called coercion. Don't even try to lie and say that saying no carried the same career path as saying yes. Imagine your sister/mother/daughter/SO in the same boat of this "choice" you think they have and you start to see how fucked up it all is. It should also be noted that it's kind of fucked up that some of you need to put in your backyard for it to click.
Guys guys guys, he can't get big contracts anymore. There's no place left to get him fired from, he funds everything he does himself now. Therefore, the only opinion on this doc that matters is the fans who have already unanimously decided that he deserves to work. You tried, you failed, pack it in.
Under duress. Louis himself admits this. There's a reason why in the law if someone signs a contract under duress it's legally considered void. They don't get told Youuuuuuu siiiiiiiiggggnnnnnneedd ittttt.
Also why didn't the Girls stop when they saw him commit by taking off his clothes? In 2002 he wasn't known beyond the underground scene and hadn't broken through to mainstream status. So you can't say they were paralyzed by power since he didn't have any.
Every woman consented. Every one. Louis never met a woman who said "no" that he ignored the refusal of. What happened was, these women consented to what they thought was a joke and never said "Oh God Louis I thought it was a joke stop doing that." These are not women anyone needs to listen to.
@@terri6854 All Louis admits to is "Maybe there was some pressure to say yes because maybe I was in a position of power." He didn't deliberately force anyone to do anything. This is not a Weinstein situation where he was like "Let me do this and I'll make you famous, don't do it and I'll ruin you." This was something that these women imagined, if that was on their mind at all.
@@EnigmaRecluse Ah yes, the legal system. Where bad guys get punished and the innocent are heard... were you born this ignorant or was it some terrible accident or something that caused you to be you?
Louis served his time in the court of public opinion. Why did this movie need to be made? The accusers at this point really come across as desperate and sad
"How do we welcome people back or not welcome them back". Excuse me, who are "we"? The unfunny failed comedians still clinging to fame and the publicity they got under MeToo? You dont decide who is welcome back you absolute narcissist, the people, the crowds, the views welcome people back.
Remember that your autonomy can only be defended by yourself, and that "power dynamics" require your participation in order to exist in the first place. He's a creep, and they were naive. Moving on.
I'm a LCK fan and I care about this. I still enjoy his work, but what he did was fucked and the amount of people who deny how fucked up it is is absolutely disturbing.
@@DansChan995 Because you vote with your eyeballs and your wallet. When you watch and/or pay for content by people like Louis it is giving them the all clear to continue doing what they were doing and for the people he victimized to stay silent. I would say something about "what if it was your daughter?" but I'm suspecting that things like empathy aren't your strong suit.
@@sundeep18If you skip to the parts where Noam Dworman is commenting that is the best part. He is the real voice of reason and, sadly, the only one who seems to defend him throughout this smear piece.
Man.....was hoping this was a special.....instead it's people flat out lying. Loiue asked and had permission before he did it. That's a BIG part of the story that always seems to be left out smfh
"Men" do not get to treat women however they want. Wealthy and powerful men however.... Women, survivors, victims, should just be honest about the type of men they choose and where the attraction they feel toward them comes from. Then please stop generalizing.
It's like the popular kid who bullies the less liked kids and when the bullied tells on him he gets even more acceptance from his peers while bullied kids get more hate.
Me clicking the video “They made a shitty atrophy again…I thought his new film or sth was about to come out and felt excited…I might as well rewatch Louis on his website until I die…”
@@willowbeederouaux4750 i love how y'all have buzzwords to shame men when you dont agree with their opinion. put a little more effort, this is just a bit lazy dont you think.
Hey, that was Andy Kindler. I saw him perform standup live once. Absolutely the worst comedian I've even seen. He would get mad and scold the audience for not laughing at his jokes. Then he just started talking shit about other, more successful comedians.
I bought and watched this thinking it would be angled more in his defense, but was disappointed to discover it was far more of a smear. There was a little balance, however. By far the best takeaway for me was the commentary of Noam Dworman (Owner of the Comedy Cellar): “Everybody I know knows people who’ve done things they should be ashamed of .. Normally, in a moral world, we forgive the people who apologize and admit that they did something wrong .. The people who are saying that ‘Louie shall not work’, they need to be questioned more closely as to where they draw the line .. You can feel whatever you want about these things, but the idea that you have the right to impose on a private business, who’s employing a free person, to perform in front of people who want to see him, in a free country .. that you feel that this is YOUR business, I think that’s very, very dangerous.”
I agree that it's a fair take. I loved LCK prior to this episode but have chosen to no longer support him following it. There was a brief moment where I was open to hearing his take on it but didn't like what he had to say about it. Regardless of how I feel about him, I could care less if others chose to support him. That's their choice that they are free to make.
@@awright2002 Actually, I was stating that it mostly wasn’t fair to him, especially from the perspective of the women who claim to have been stifled by him in some way. I don’t think that they were hindered in their career because of him so much as they are, plain and simple, just not as talented as him in the comic arena. I am a woman, but still believe there just aren’t as many funny female comedians as there are male ones. I think it’s just a matter of numbers. There simply aren’t as many attempting to go into the business, perhaps under the presumption that it’s a male dominated industry - like being a fireman, it requires thick skin, bravery, and strength (in the comedy world, strength of character) - but the fact is all they have to do to prove themselves is get up on stage and be funny, period. There are a few that I like .. Lynn Koplitz, Sarah Silverman, Chelsea Handler … because they make me laugh. I would pay to see them. They speak their own truth. However, the ones whose entire act is mostly dissing men and complaining about being hindered because of their sex, I just don’t buy it. I’m not victim blaming because I don’t see them as victims. All they had to do, literally, was stand up for themselves. I agree that what he did is disgusting, but he did nothing illegal. He apologized for it and I’m sure he’ll never do it again. Even before he was, pardon the pun, exposed, he had entire skits about how men are pigs. His observational, confessional, intellectual comedy is of the same caliber as Carlin, who wasn’t always funny, totally lacking compassion, and full of bitterness in ways that are far more offensive than Louie. Nonetheless, I still loved the guy, faults and all. There is a bravery in being a comic/prophet when the bits come from a place of self truth. So many of us suppress what we really think out of fear of being hated or judged. Louie doesn’t, and that makes him, still, a star to me. The fact that you signed him off for good is your right. If you think he’s no longer funny that’s one thing, but if you are barring him over this one distasteful aspect of his behavior, behavior that he’s acknowledged was horrible and promised to never do again, you might want to consider the level of forgiveness you offer to others that are actually a part of your life, who have effed up in big ways, but have resolved to learn, change their behavior, and grow from the experience. This is, as one example, the very mantra of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Not gonna lie. Even though I think this looks good it still doesn’t change my opinion about his comedy. Dudes a legend. He fucked up. He received a downfall from that fuck up and now he’s moving on and should be allowed to continue having the life we all deserve to live.
i click on this trailer to make fun of the filmmakers who thought this is worth documenting for future generation. wtf are u guys doing, theres 99999 problems in the world and u chose this to be the center of ur career legacy.
there's no better sign that i need to revisit my relationship with this dude's work than the mass of beerswelling chimps down here trivializing what happened.
Trivializing? He did nothing wrong. This documentary is a joke. Not a single talking head here genuinely believes a word they’re saying. This is naked opportunism.
