Only criticism of this game so far, is that in battles, the cast is waaaaaaay too vocal between their individual turns; almost sounds like a voice chat session of people talking over one another XD. I definitely know what they were going for, and it's less grating when you slow down, but hell is it annoying as hell when you want to go fast.
@@ZSleepingDragonZ the difference is that I don't really remember in mainline Persona the characters talking over each other. From what I saw when you apply a buff to all the characters in SH2 they all talk at the same time, it's actually difficult to tell what they are really saying
35:51 - 35:56 Saizo: might try something different like, dancing? Milady: i doubt that'd actually work Yu narukami at the final boss of P4D: are you sure? 😎
@@HuangLongGaming If you play all the Devil Summoner games and not just the Raidou prequels then yes they always leaned a bit towards Persona. Makes sense considering the timeline.
@@pn2294 can you say: "demon loyalty?" "demon + human party of up to 6?" "custom level up stat distribution?" "magnetite?" "alignment/sometimes race based summoning mechanics?"
I noticed some similarities between Figue and Menoa from Digimon Adventure: Last Evolution Kizuna, they both lost someone dear to them, Raven/Morphomon, tried to remove the emotions of every human souls/memories of humans and their Digimon partners to avoid having to live with the pain of losing a loved one just like they once did, and both Cyber Aion and Eosmon Mega can create copies of themselves.
I feel like this boss shares some similarities to Maruki from Persona. Figue and Maruku lost someone important to them, and due to their grief they try and remove the source of pain from humanity. Only Ringo and her team/the Phantom Thieves can stop them and show the conviction of humanity to trudge through hardships for the better.
Huh. It’s interesting what they’re doing with Soul Hacking in this game. In SH1, it was used, in computer terms, to “read crash logs” and “steal info.” Here, it’s also used to “perform a system backup” and “update the OS.” More of what I’d hoped and expected.
This final confrontation for some reason gave me flashbacks to Xenoblade Chronicles 2’s Final Boss which is also named Aion. Plus the scenery is somewhat similar
oh wow she's the final boss who could've seen it coming???? but that being said, the music was kick ass. guess that's the team behind nier's soundtrack for ya
I mean I also thought that at first then the game made me believe she wouldn't be, then we killed the dude and I realized again that it would actually be true
Kind of expected that when you get to think on how Soul Hacking works as Figure/Aion points out! Yeah Ringo would not have messed with any of the parties souls beyond reviving them as they were! But knowing she had the ability to do so is nightmare inducing! No wonder it's dangerous for her to do it too many times as she's violating Universal law essentially (Reviving the dead has always been Taboo in the Megaten series! It can happen, but only through the right circumstances! I mean in IV Final I prefer the rival of a certain girl when you go down the Massacre Path cause your about to be god, and she's not revived via making her human again, but as a Goddess! Fun fact with that is she doesn't get her ultimate healing skill if you do this! A way of showing this isn't the real her having "Smiles" painted on her soul....exactly the type of thing Ringo got accused of doing! Even though I don't think Figure/Aion was doing that maliciously. Just pointing out to the party in they never considered that possibility. Though I can get them not believing Ringo would do that, especially since with that level of control, seeing how despite being a team, they still had conflicts up to this point! ESPECIALLY Arrow and Milady who are Summoners of conflicting organizations! Something Milady kept reminding and bringing up! Saizo being the mediator along with Ringo because Ringo is with Aion and Saizo is a freelancer mercenary so has no loyalty to any organization, only what they'd pay him and his own allegiances But this is different then "painting smiles on humanity", this is more "soul lobotomizing" them "for the greater good" (The four most scariest lines in the game of life you'll ever hear alongside such things as "the Few for the Many!" Especially if your in the "Few" category)
Just beat the boss on hardcore difficulty with level 70 team. What i do is spamming "concentrate + Megidolaon" on 1st form Until she's dead with milady & Ringo. However, her 2nd form last phase is resist everything including almighty but very weak against "sabbath attacks" 😱😁.
Hi, I have a question about the platinum for Ps5... The trophy for defeating the final boss on hard... You have to play the story from the beginning on hard and defeat it... Or you can set the difficulty to hard in the final battle and defeat him to get the trophy
I changed my difficulty around from easy/hard and I still got the trophy by killing the final boss on Hard. It's safe to say that you can play the game on any difficulty and kill the final boss on Hard for the trophy.
@@roxasbaker You got the normal ending. To get the True one, you need to go through all the soul mazes for Saizo, Milady, and Arrow before the final boss.
@@lunalucifer6669 and yet the multiverse is somehow still alive, despite the Demi-Fiend killing it by simultaneously murdering every Administrator in existence.
you when she talk about soul as a collective data it remimds me of Plume of dusk as it is a pure physical data that can ressurect the you when you died
Well at least the original Persona Trilogy takes place in the same timeline as SMT IF, and the Devil Summoner Titles so this probably takes place in that timeline as well.
@@costby1105 well from what i can see this is from a far future as many people think about cyber punk when they look at the locations well half of it as other is still quite modern look but the city is futuristic
@@mhicorivera7802 Soul Hackers was the same way but apparently that takes place before persona 2. It can't be that far into the future because madame Ginko is still around. Dr. Victor doesn't count as he is an ageless half vampire and is in all the non persona titles.
There's an English voice cast trailer, and the VAs get to announce their involvement in this game... but they're not credited here at all? I'm disappointed.
It's really annoying that Atlus keeps making compassionate antagonists out to be the bad guys. Zelenin (redux law), Maruki, and now Figue are very clear that they want to uplift transhumanity and create realities where people dont have to suffer or experience injustice, anymore. No same person can agree that violent conflict is acceptable in an ideal world. Just fucking stop painting heroes as villains, jeez.
They aren't really being portrayed as "villains", more that they are just "antagonist" and oppose the protagonist. Maruki and Figue are both people who have been hurt by the ugly side of human nature and attempted to stop the suffering they went through for the rest of humanity. They aren't bad people nor do they hate the main casts, they just disagree with them
@@ThusSpokeBushmasterZer0. that right there is the issue. Figue is literally Maruki done so badly that she retroactively demonizes the best ending of Strange Journey's Law alignment. she and Raven are terrible villains-halfway decent *characters* at best on top of that-and yet we're supposed to view them as "compelling" and "sympathetic" but at the same time completely wrong and needing to be stopped. meanwhile that bastard Lucifer-who commits BLATANTLY evil acts on the regular-is put on a pedestal, treated as if he can do no wrong, and his final fight is treated as a *TEST* rather than the hero giving Satan the thrashing he deserves for all the shit he's put the world through. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Atlus *needs* to write more Neutral and Chaos main villains. not antagonists. *Villains.*
So the sacrifice of human individuality is an acceptable trade off for peace? Why not just genocide all of humanity then? Its basically the same thing so yeah, just Thanos snap all living beings in the name of peace
@christopherbravo1813 I feel like a lot of it is a result of how Japanese society is, cuz corporate culture is just kinda cutthroat there, so, as a result, our enemy is an authority figure
Adachi doesn't have a Shadow, he has a Persona and the rules of the Persona universe were re-written so that everyone needs to face their inner shadow somehow to use one
Figue is...hard to really rank on whether she is good or not. On one hand, I do understand her point, but on the other, her feelings towards Raven are pretty one-sided, making her heel turn feel kinda contrived
Five tried WAY to hard to emulate Nocturne without understanding how Nocturne did it right! Namely in that we DID get enough time with the character's even if brief to understand them! While I'm still trying to understand what the fuck was going on with the cast of SMT V! (I went back to replay Nocturne and BOTH IV 3DS games, and yah, they had much better characters! Haters can hate either or both IV games, but they're stories were still better then what V did! V was a disappointment!) I REALLY don't want to see an "Open World" like V again, it felt so empty! Only great when you came across something, but inbetween that I was bored moving about then in the other games (My criticisms at games like V and Metro Exodus! The reason I prefer there past games is the open world wasn't empty and was LIMITING! Which made the exploration worth it and interesting instead of a lot of NOTHING! I wasn't happy to find V had ONE DUNGEON! And I was suppose to take the different locations as "dungeons in themselves" and there was no point in Tokyo! I assumed I'd be exploring it once like what happened in Nocturne before it became the Spiral World! But instead your needlessly exploring it when Menu's would have sufficed at that point!)
@@paulman34340 I feel like most character stuff most likly got axed during the development hell. Still, I know SMT fans make fun of the Anime Plots of Persona, but traiding it with...whatever the hell SMTV`s Plot was is not a improvement.
@@plinfan6541 Yeah agreed! SMT V is what happens when you TRY to do SMT III plot structure without understanding WHY it was liked or was good in the first place! Similar to IV Final, I don't HATE V story! Many concepts of it I liked and found interesting. Just disappointed with the hype and "wasting of many characters" But I take as them not knowing what to do going forward! IV and IV Final were pretty much them COMBINING Elements of 1 and 2 (IV starting you out at joining the Law Faction like in 2 and doing missions for them as you start to become more aware of their nature! While Final felt like it went abit like 1's opening moments, but in the apocalypse already! I'll say it now, I actually LIKED IV and IV A stories and characters! Even the goof parts which I found funny when people condemn them, saying they ruin the pacing and make no sense, while "PRAISING" 1 and 2 forgetting THEY and 3 had those "similar moments as well" yeah their are problems, but I NEVER expect perfection!) So I wonder what VI will be like, or if will get a V remaster later down the road to address the issues! But I'll say this, I have never found a Megaten plot line I hated. I put them in "disappointing but decent, will replay again someday" to "Anyone mentions this SMT....I'm reinstalling for another go like Deus Ex" I have no HATED Megaten game! (Wish Atlus would stop being Day 1 DLC milking bastards though) They can whine "Anime plotlines ruin everything" all they want! I'm sure their secretly enjoying those aspects as well and are just "Bitching" to avoid being labeled a "weeb!" Not saying they should improve and avoid overusing "The Power of Friendship!" But for the love of god STOP HAVING THE PROTAGONISTS NAME DROP IT AT THE VERY LEAST (It would make it less cringe and lower the amount of bitching from whiners, though their title means they'll find something to whine about!)
@@paulman34340 well I have good news for you, pal! I hate everything in this franchise that isn't Devil Survivor 1, SMT Strange Journey/Redux, Persona 2 Innocent Sin, Persona 5 Strikers, and I am currently on the fence regarding Eternal Punishment, the first Persona game, SMT 1, Nocturne, and the actual Devil Summoner games, this, however, deserves it's place in the ash bin of history along with it's predecessors. I *hope* that this is the last time Atlus tries something of this nature, but considering their track record I'm not holding my breath.
Something about copying Persona, being unoriginal, and invalidating all the work that went into this game because the final boss is a god-like entity and we've seen that in games before which makes it bad and wrong
@@esthiem4388 what work? you fight the main antagonist in a battle to decide the fate of the world in some random alley, and you say they put WORK into this game?
You are aware YHVH and the Great Will have MANY different incarnations and forms....RIGHT? (It's not some big surprise or anything, that shit was established LONG ago, nice you finally caught up to the rest of us!)
what's REALLY disappointing is that Devil Summoner is- *was* -unique in the fact that the final boss was rarely, if ever, God but evil. this game just broke that trend, and in the single worst way possible.
@@christopherbravo1813I gave it some thought, and frankly, I can't really call Aion "God but evil". If anything, when Figue goes unstable, it's due to her conflicted feelings being horribly mixed in with the alterations she's already had in her attempt to use to Covenants to create a world without pain I feel like the real problem is just how one-sided Figue's feelings towards Raven are
@@christopherbravo1813Well, granted, it's not what I said. Like, New Law at least kinda works since it's a route you yourself take, it's just, again, Alex herself is the issue, since she feels more like a character that would be better as a protag of her own SMT game
devil summoner: ancient evil soul Hackers 2: twist villain devil Children: kill everyone or no one and finally last Bible defeat the ruler who controls
@@KogetsuKuzunoha well for one, "new ideas" aren't really a thing. Every story is a mish-mash of themes, archetypes, and cliches that have been passed down through the medium for centuries, once they were new, but we've explored literally every possibility already, also, even if it were possible, do you understand how much effort goes into writing even the most simple and basic stories? It's an extremely stressful and damn near impossible process that takes way more time and precision than it should
More like Persona 5 Royal with Maruki wanting to get rid of sorrow. ( and Ichinose from Strikers wanting to get rid of emotions via the Demiurge aka Emma, an A.I. lol ).
Hey, I didn't name the Final boss or showed how it looks like in the thumbnail, unlike others, Lol. I tend not to do that anymore for final bosses unless it's being spoiled by the company itself (Mainly talking about DLCs where they spoil the fk out of it), other bosses are fair game as they have been already spoiled in the trailers.
@@Miunim in my case, I wanted to know if the "haters" were right about the game. as it turns out, they were not. they gave this game far more credit than it deserves.
Can't get disappointed if you didn't got your hopes up in the first place. They did Kaneko really dirty with this thing, now i worry about the future SMT titles, after SMT 5 being mediocre at best and this one just "being" I wonder what Atlus really wants from SMT at this point, the series feels like it's loosing it's identity because Atlus is trying their hardest to go mainstream with it. I really hope Atlus realizes after this failure that SMT isn't supposed to be like this and finally goes back to the old formula, with combat and story driven aspects instead of graphics and powered by EA aspects. God I hope I that SMT becomes a shittier version of Persona.
@Christopher Bravo So, it's a situation where there are three regions created after the fall of the world, one with clear laws and focused on preserving peace, ran by the one named 'Messiah', as no one remembers what his name was anymore. The chaos region is based on competition and survival of the fittest, and its two rulers are Satanael and Baal. And finally, the neutral region is ran by other deities, who simply focus on keeping themselves and the residents afloat. The Law Hero aims to create a peaceful world where there won't be a need for another martyr, the Chaos Hero wants to keep fostering competition to keep mankind's spirit alive, and the Neutral Hero feels that there is something behind the scenes that isn't right YHVH is not present in the game, nor is Lucifer (at least as far as plot goes)
@@cooldudeachyut Frankly it still has the air of a Devil Summoner game! Which has always been the inbetween SMT and Persona in it's atmosphere! Because the world is NOT in ruins, it has the aspect of Persona in trying to avoid the world ending mixed with "the secret world" because you can't see or sense demons unless you have the potential and being a Devil Summoner is a more secretive thing! But it still has the harsh world of SMT without the apocalypse as people die horribly, and you get strong, or end up food for the demons while still having to live normally (Kind of Saizo and Ash romance conflict and what Finnagan hints to the Protagonist of Soul Hackers 1 before his death that his fate will be his inevitable fate one day! I mean everyone else can go back to their normal lives among the Spookies with the idea of the supernatural existing, but they don't have the potential anyway! But the protagonist is a Devil Summoner and that ain't going away! So far he may be unaffiliated with an organization like Saizo. But he can't change he has Demons and has the potential to see them! As they say, once you go down the path of a Devil Summoner, it becomes even RARER to live a normal life! Can't put the genie back in the bottle now that you know the supernatural exist, and you have the power to affect it in someway....and see what others can't see) I will agree it is getting TOO Persona like! I can let the systems of SH2 go because this kind of way of fighting has been established in the series already with Naomi from Soul Hackers 1 who was able to utilize the powers of her Demons rather then summon them. And Reiho pact with a deity that determines her spells (even the Raidou Manga with one of the characters who FUSED with one of her demons temporarily). And owing that they exist in the same universe, even if different timelines! Humans CAN fuse with Demons (referring to pretty much EVERY Chaos Hero in the mainline SMT games! And Nocturne other humans!) Though the system still feels PERSONA like (If they evolved the Raidou games battle system! I'd be okay with a four party system of you, a partner human and both being able to summon one demon each! The two demons at once is up in the air, but I can see it working similar to what Tales of Zestiria tried to do where you always have two human characters who the Spirit party members are tethered to which allows them to participate in battle and can fuse with them for the super mode) Luckily I don't hate the protagonists so it's not all bad
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