"They're not making the loops". Southside had this to say about the current state of loopmakers. Is work for hire fair play or nah? #producergrindpodcast
@@margiellapooh6485 producer do more than compose beats. A real producer directs things. They can guide a person on how to say their lyrics, how the recording sessions are set up and many other things.
@@scarvello you’re describing the old way of producing mainly with live musicians because it was necessary. You needed an engineer to set up and plug in equipments and fx. A producer can do everything inside DAW if he wanted to. Just ask yourself what title is on the credits when royalties are being payed out.
@@okachobired5856 that pay has nothing to with it because even the artist get ripped off by their own labels. Daw producers still do all of these things. Even watching interviews of big name producers they tell you they do these things like guiding vocals etc lol.
@@Bayleybeats whoever is arranging the overall product is the producer. In this case, it would be Southside, as he is incorporating the loop (which is an arrangement in itself) into a larger piece of arranged music. If the person who brought musicians in and arranged the music into the final product created the final product, he would be the producer.
@@chxrlzchucky7509 yeah i would consider what ur saying from scratch too but he’s saying people paying for someone to play drums and guitar and then these guys selling the “loops” like they made them from “scratch”
Yeah because he knows he can't write shit. He gets pressed because he knows all the actual musicians are the ones who are drawing up the melodies form scratch. This is a very choice scenario, and very rarely happens often unless you're someone that's already high up in the industry, and even then they still have to have something to build around it.
@@codmatterk you’re delusional, they get the Melodie’s from the BEAT💀 yeah they can create one but that’s unrealistic. Engineers and producers not gonna have time to hear acapella Melodies
@@n1mbus__ Bro what are you talking about? Get melodies from the beat? What? We're talking about the person who is writing the loop not the people who slap drums on after. Where are you?
The instruments ain't even making the loops they paying the air by the Hz, the wind that's vibrating is making the loop, so the instruments that think they're the real look makers, they not even making the loop👁️👄👁️
@@chefdusse y’all stay trynna defend folks like y’all was just there with him every beat 🤣 either way it go , however you put it … ain’t nobody making beats from scratch . We ain’t make the DAW, the drums , the vst 🤷🏾♂️Plus it does take a certain ear to turn loops/samples into hits .
Yea but he wants real composer's. What didn't you understand?? And all of you saying the same thing, bri just described himself, yes and he describe majority if you too, why does it hurt so much? Just make ya own ting then and stop using loop packs, just because it says royalty free doesn't mean it hasn't been used. One day all those loops will pay me and real composer's because they took it from our authentic music we have on soundcloud, they think because its not on apple that it can be copied, be my guest.
That’s literally the job of the producer . Use your network to find people who have the skill that you don’t that you can incorporate into your brand or product to make it better and charge more for it … 😂😂😂
The problem is... They are criticizing him like they're more creative so he was exposing the fact that they don't do anything that's more creative than him.
bro that’s literally what kanye do “I’m not a real musician, i can’t play the piano”. so he get elton john to play the piano on all of the lights. it’s still producing at the end of the day.
@@Johnny-yw3srnah he didn’t end up using those drums. I know the video you’re talking about, but Ye made like 50 versions of it before finally settling.
@@RileyHuey16 yeah we know. but he himself said he’s not a real musician so he has to hire someone to play the piano it’s live instrumentation all over LR
@@RileyHuey16 i get it lol. yes he’s the god of chopping soul. but when he wanted live instrumentation he didn’t do that, he paid someone else to do that.
But they do that for their own production or trynna get that authentic sound that’s different. He’s trynna say so producers higher musicians to play random shit , record them , and send it out as if they made the melody .
that's EXACTLY what a producer is. Producer doesn't have to touch a button he uses guitarists, engineers, beat makers, drummers etc to make a vision come together. And a instrumentalist plays instruments. a musician is all of the above, including the engineer.... Furthermore, hip hop is made off of sampling. It's just easier now because of computers and technology. As a matter of fact hip hop even sampled drums back in the day.. ask James Brown... You're not better than the guy using loops if you music "sounds" weaker.. and I don't even use loops.... And industry producers take ENTIRE BEATS from people signed to them and put Thier names on it.
@@IDGAF_2X That's only if you have status over younger artists. You definitely won't be getting any praise for it, You might get sued sooner or later, but that's what these bigger producers are doing. 🤷
@@__Shun but it's not tho. I didn't say the producer "doesn't" do any of the music, I said they use whatever resources needed and know which ones to use to make the project sound polished and complete.... Thats just what it is 🤷
@@NotEnuff8 Quincy didn't play the instruments on his hits though, Dr Dre also plays instruments but got musicians to record the parts he wanted in a professional manner. Dre could program a drum beat playing it on the MPC, then play a little melody on a piano & ask a pianist (Scott Storch) to build around it. Then he builds, mixes and PRODUCES the record.
He can say that but what about the big-time producer with In house producer's giving them scraps and the bigger producer takes the front end and back end money
If you’re just sequencing/arranging a loop and throwing drums and an 808 on top, that’s still making music. Producers that have an ear and hire musicians and guide them are still making the loop. The musicians don’t have the vision and the same taste. That’s the importance of a producer.
Exactly, thats no different to someone like Kanye or Just Blaze sampling multiple records and putting them together to create a song. Its just the cleaner way (having musicians play the parts)
@@divLded honestly, that says more about the dumbby doing business wrong. Drake just offered ox man 150k for a beat he deff outsourced & he turned him down to hold out for royalties. I dont get your point.
This is how art is made a lot of the time. You produce something using other’s talent. Everyone has to downplay everyone else in music because the deals are so fucked. No one can make money, so they fight over credit.
@@michaelcarrig627he said stop talking because you’re talking nonsense man. Producers play the instruments themselves. If you’re just layering loops of other people you’re basic and lacking in talent.
@@cornsockgabz That has never been the definition of production. Is Quincy Jones not a producer because he hired bands to play his music. Is Ye not a producer because he uses a wide range of other instrumentalists and producers to create his songs. You all sound like white people in the early 90s saying rap production isn’t really musical because they are “just sampling”. GTFO.
I will never forget.. I was an instructor at a small college for audio engineering and music production and this one student was getting all this clout from some of the teachers and local artists and I was happy for the kid for sure, good dude and works hard. However… one day I was sitting in while he was cooking up a beat and he was using loops… for EVERYTHING. This man didn’t even program the drum pattern, he wasn’t tweaking anything outside of some EQ and compression… Now, I’m not hating but come on man… you can’t call yourself a beat maker MUCH LESS a producer if your entire beat is made with pre-made loops. Period. Bro, I was thinking the whole time that this kid was better than me (I was 23 at the time) only to find out I have probably forgotten more about producing music than this kid knew entirely. Splice is a fantastic tool but it can give beginners way too much confidence. What happens when that kid is in a situation where he has a client but the internet is out? What would he do without splice? Imagine having all that clout only for a client or artist to find out you got nothing without loops… That’s embarrassing man.
Artists don't care about your beat making process they care about their song making process. How you made a beat is NOT important, how the beat sounds is the thing that matters. Splice DOES exist so there's no point in wondering about what if it didn't
finally found a producer that uses ableton on here and this video actually taught me more than my high school music production teacher. i love the simple but helpful tips. i’ll definitely be watching more videos from this channel in the future!
I pride myself in the "from scratch" process... But having seen how easy it is to do it digi with loops and samples, and getting the same cred, i cannot deny I am choosing the "harder" way‼️🤷🏾♂️
Yea but he's the big Southside. Made his career with only using loops but talking trash about the people he exploits just to make him look good👌 sad to see a Southside beeing like this.
That’s what Kanye do! He has a whole orchestra playing then he’ll just sample like 5 seconds out of a 8 min session and reloop it repetitive on a track with some 808’s
@@leanhoven I use vsts and create my own melodies, drum patterns ect, I don't record live instruments but some ppl say they make beats but they grab a loop someone made and a drum loop that someone made and say they made a beat 😂😂😂 wtf
@sollertiskhan3254 idk about that take ,most of hip hop is based on sampling, J Dilla ,Nujabes and Kanye are considered one of the greats and evidently so, are you saying they are not musicians?
Samples = Already cooked food that you just pop in the microwave and make pop once again like recycled popcorn. From scratch = ......... Meaning back N the day "grandma's gumbo/dressin/sweet potato pie/🎵/ cornbread/ An well washed greens allllll on just 1 drum beat.... None of grandma's gumbo was never cooked just with only a microwave... Now when we done with the gumbo an put it back in the refrigerator, it gets cold. Somebody opens up the fridge and See's the gumbo an ask if they can warm up a "SAMPLE" an taste it. Think about that.
I make pretty good instrumentals on par with industry music, I'm 36, went to art schools from middle through highschool and can tell you it takes years to get to this point. FL studio was a journey from plugins, a wide range of vsts and then mixing and mastering is a whole other beast to tame. I hate to hear that so many people are just faking it now.
