These industry dudes steal beats in plain site, no remaking, no reworking, and if you spend the money on going after them, likely youll eventually settle for less than you’re owed.
There was a similar kind of disagreement with who produced the Eric B. & Rakim records in the 80s (which had very influential production on them)... they're credited as produced by Eric B. & Rakim, but in a lot of cases Rakim and Eric took the records they wanted to use to Marley Marl and Marley did a lot of the sampling/programming. So it becomes a case of whether the producer is the person who had the idea of what to put together, or the person who physically put the elements together.
And Marley is also known to have taken sole credit for beats he didn’t even do. I don’t remember specific songs but I do know Ced Gee and Large Professor being part of some songs they didn’t get credit for.
@@Mar.Escobar24 Ced Gee produced 50% of Criminal Minded (The Bridge Is Over was one of them) and indeed Large Professor produced a lot of stuff for Eric B & Rakim but also Kool G Rap & Polo.
I still find it quite amazing how they put together 'Do For Love' with that Bobby Caldwell hook. Must have had a great ear when he heard Dilla beat matching that
maybe my ears are deceiving me, but I just figured in "Do For Love" someone just played the horn melody on bass (syth or real) and adjusted the speed/pitch/etc. So, whether he chopped his sounds to create the bass sound for the melody, isn't it still a sample/interpolation of Caldwell's horn melody?
There were rumours back in the day that Timbaland would hire ghost producers and make them work in a studio and just take the best samples for himself. He also claimed that he invented dubstep lol. Let’s not forget that infamous case where he quite literally stole a sample and claimed he made it himself, without giving credit.
Next to Swizz Beatz, Timbaland is a Charlatan of the HIGHEST Order. Fuckin' can't stand his Music, and I don't care how many European Beatmakers have been influenced by his Music.
This is such a fun video. It was channels like you and diggin the greats that really made me actually start subscribing to music channels on here outside of just guitar teachers and its these vids with more music history and beat break downs together that really hook me
It's hard to tell, but I lean towards theft. I'm relatively no one in the game, but I've had two songs stolen outright. One song became a local hit and anchored an album. Anyone who makes beats long enough will get jacked.
Same has happened once with me but that was only the melody of a folk song, but its not fun when you put them out for free to help people relax or chill, but it has only happened once with me though, but its not fun if someone makes money out of something i made for free and out of caring, i though the was a law for this i think as long as you have your song you can prove it ( in thoery) but how it really works in the practical side of thing i dont know
@@oscaroscar7904 In my case, it wasn't a sample-based beat, it was something completely original I played. I did have the original still, but let's just say there would've been a lot of politics involved if I had pursued it. Gotta know when to hold 'em and fold 'em.
@@verbone yeah thats true and I try to see it as a sort of compliment if someone used part of my melody for something lol, but I just think it happens alot more then people are aware ( on youtube or other more obscure music.), and I am not against sampling though of course, and when its done right it can make a song into something else, like making a sad ballad song into a beat and transforming that into a major or energetic happy song is really cool.
I ve made recently a beattape, and something that I've found quite unique, the question is that a fellow producer came across me, who was with me one of these days while I worked on the tape telling " owh I've used one of the samples you got there, I hope u don't mind, check my beat, see here" ofter I've checked we both laught at the differences, with two completely different approaches. Long story short, no problem in using, in fact, the same sample, the thing is how you do it maintaining your identity on it. I've made a Celtic druid tape and put that there, it's great, and the dude made a freestyle like beat that's dope as f***, he didn't quite stole, he made it to be way different than mine, even so I didn't feel malice, it was a good studio day that day 😁
The thing about Aphex Twin getting his song sampled on a Kanye record then being told by his camp “It’s not yours, it’s OURS. And we aren’t asking.” Sent (angry) shivers down my spine. Welcome to the industry lol.
Do you think it might of been possible that Aphex Twin didnt copyright his version, and got it sampled with full ownership from Kanye Camp? Crazier things have been done in this industry.
Great video, funny 🤣 thing I was just discussing Poppa Was A Playa with a friend who happens to be a producer as well because I love the sample usage and especially the hi hat panning technique along with the drum simplicity and the chimes but those hi hats 🔥 🤦🏿♂️
It must take you hours upon hours to get these recreations made in your DAW, and then make a whole dope ass interesting video about it! Great work per usual Navie!
something I love about Jamaican djs and old 80s dancehall is that is very common to hear the same beats and samples but this is looked upon the crowd, they look for djs who can add their own thing to the classical beats.
The labels definitely mess things up at times, like what Rawkus did with the Godzilla sample in "Simon Says." If the labels/managers do everything in their power to screw artists out of money, why wouldn't they at least to get away with doing the same to producers and sample clearances?
Moving forward to 2023, spotify doesn't show credits to producer or beatmakers. I was shocked seeing this on my productions while I spent some time filling in all the right informations on my distribution page, making sure everything is there before submitting to digital release
I watched a interview with the producer Soulshock from Souldshock & Karlin who did Do For Love. I think Soulshock mostly did drums and samples and Karlin played keys. He talked about when he did that song how he was a huge fan of Dilla and Tribe. I think he def sampled the drums and that guitar chop (or recreated it) but to me its more like uncredited sampling than just jacking a beat. He did mention though how Karlin came up with the bassline on the keyboard. They also did Me Against The World. It was a cool interview.
@@dianevrules I said that. I said I think he sampled the drums and the little guitar thing but that's different than just jackin somebody's beat. The beat itself completely different.
Real like/appreciate your content. I’m new to this space. I had a question for you, in todays environment is there a process producers need to do before uploading there beats to (let’s say distrokid) in order to minimise theft? Have you made content on this subject? Thanks
You forgot to mention Dr. Dre. Hutch, from Above The Law, was working on a Beat in his House, and Dre was there, listening and watching the process (Hutch was working on a funky Synth Bassline). A few Years later, that Bassline was featured on "Dre Day". In case you didn't know, Hutch was the Son of Willie Hutch, the man who composed the Soundtrack to the '70s Blaxploitation Classic, "The Mack", starring Max Julien and Dick Anthony Williams as "Pretty Tony".
4:30 this happens alot on the vocal side of things too but its more accepted and seen as paying dues. From the weekend working on drakes take care album in the shadows before it was his turn all the way back to future working on blue berry yum yum for ludacris while he slept on the couch in the dungeon
The Eddie Kendricks sample was used in 1995 by a French rap crew called Iam in the song called "bad boys de Marseille " , they featured Redman in 1997 in their single (la saga) so I guess Kanye heard about them and probably liked Keops sampling and producing method..... just a guess
I would wish it was true because Meteque et mat is one of my favourite albums but Eddie kendricks is known to everybody that’s in to soul/R&B music. And there was the song Victem of the Ghetto from college boys that allready used the sample, there’s a big change Iam took inspiration from it because the hook has a little bit similar feeling to it
It’s just like being the Avatar, you have to know all the masters as far as, Dilla, Pete Rock, Slumgulion, 9th Wonder, etc. I use their templates as a foundation for navigating through any sample I hear. I understand it’s like learning different styles of Kung-Fu. Once you’ve learned how to use the techniques, you can come up with some really ill creations. The key to unlock the door is your imagination. The same process is for juggling records too (vinyl) how to breakdown time signatures in the in the song already provided for you.
I love the quote. I recently had a situation where I thought a producer stole from me on a Tony Yayo song. I reached out to the producer and Tony Yayo, neither got back to me (Surprise!) but in the end, I chalked it up to we both took an easy route in chopping same sample. maybe that's naïve of me. but i'd rather chalk it up than stay enraged. that being said it also taught me that maybe my stuff was a little better than i thought, but I still need to work on my drums and get my legal stuff together before continuing to put music on Soundcloud. Anyways, I loved the video...I think Puff definitely stole. Only because he's done so much shady stuff. And thanks for the quote. I'm going to print it out and give you a sub credit. LOL
My teenage son produces some good beats and was approached by a low tier rapper on Fiver. My son just gave him one trying to get “exposure” and the credit on Tidal lists the artist as the composer and producer. I really would have liked to see his name, I was really proud of how good the song came out. This may be a Hanlon’s Razor moment, indeed.
When it comes to music, its not about who did it first, its about who did it best. Respect will always be paid to the originators and pioneers by the people making the music, but the masses will remeber the best version of something. Be the best.
@@NavieD Showbiz certiantly thinks so i was able to find the article i read about it one day ill try and copy and paste it here but it may be autobanned if i dont censor it a bit
@@NavieD "Show: Puffy took that sample [from Big L’s “M.V.P.”] on purpose. Let’s keep it 100. That’s my opinion. Finesse was one of Puffy’s Hitmen producers. They had a falling out and Finesse went his own way. L is down with D.I.T.C. and Puffy got Biggie and wanted to show it up, like “I can do it better.” If you listen to our song “Day One,” Puffy rhymed that too [on Puff Daddy and the Family’s “Young G’s”]. Puffy is cool, I got respect for him, but he’s competitive like that. It ain’t like that was a coincidence. Puff and Big came out with that record that Big L had. The rules back then were that you don’t use something that somebody else just used. So for him to say “Fthat, I’m going to use it anyway,” shows he was like “I’m going to show theseNs up!” This ain’t on anybody else, this is coming from my mouth. I don’t give a, I’m 100 with it. It is what it is."
@@NavieD in my opinion it was disrespect but not theft as both beats were just loops, not creatively chopped up or that would have been beyond any benefit of a doubt
A more recent example I can think of is Bryson Tiller's "Exchange " and J.Cole's "Deja Vu" and the dispute surrounding the beats of those two songs. Yet the samples, while being the same were used VERY differently
Do for love karlin said they wanted it to sound like a tribe called quest "relax yourself", now for the DJ Dillah part it's my first time hearing it, but with your explanations it sounds like a mix of both ATCQ & Dillah which were collaboraters
Yeah, you're right. Sometimes it's not outright theft. The Down N Out situation reminds me of Kitty Kat by G-Unit, where on the record 50 shoutouts Polow Da Don as the producer but the credits list Hit-Boy (Who was signed to Polow at the time). What ended up happening was that the beat CD came from Polow so 50 assumed the beat was made by him when he recorded the verse. lol
Ive been stolen off. I dont wanna even givem a name. But trust. It made me feel like seeking some type of revenge. Especially when i saw in his comments people talk about how good it sounded. I will release the entire original project 1 day soon. I think thats the best way. 😊
Whats up bro great video .. yes its crazy I had a portion of one of my loops in loopeeman called traper bellz from kohibabeatz that was used on Travis Scott THANK GOD song the intro bells and I never got no credit ..
there was a song from st louis that was no 1 in the city.. that got played several times on L.A. radio 2 years before pac used it..the song was Deep by Illegal Assembly pac sped it up ad called it picture me rollin
Down and out beat was originally on a song Called Anthrax it came out years before Kanye's version, it was produced by a group in Philly on a mix tape called Logan Valley
In Norway there’s been two crazy low down dirty producers. I know a group that had to pull everything they released for two-three years cos a producer/beat maker took credit for ALL the beats on their albums, when he just simply stole everything from other producers. He recorded and totally jacked beats from other producers. It all came to light when one of the producers who actually made the beat threatened to sue them. And they started testing their “producer” by asking him to changed some minor things to the beat, and they asked to get stems and he couldn’t provide. And we have another dude doing the exact same thing to day. I actually think it’s the same guy😂 and he’s also working with known American rappers as well.
Southside from 808 Mafia does this to a lot of the young and dumb producers he got signed under him. He puts his 808 mafia tag on their beats but doesn't credit them.
Picture a bunch of rap producers complaining about somebody stole their beat and their sound when the majority of the beat's sound was jacked from a sample of some other producer's instrumental, crybaby crap at it's best, absolutely ridiculous.....
sample jacking/biting is a no no.. if you're going to use a sample that's already been used, you need to flip that sample to sound totally different. The end result will always be victorious.
The original Juicy was beat was stolen from a underground Louisiana rap tape. The song was even called something similar and the rappers name was the notorious. Literally the same exact beat. If I can find it again I’ll send a link
The Notorious B1 is his name. The song is on youtube you can search it. I even heard that Diddy changed Biggy Smallz name to Notorious Big taking B1’s name too. He probably brought his demo to diddy for a chance to be signed a got robbed 🤷🏾♂️
I just got stolen from recently sending a demo to a "friend" who's on the top 100 DJ;s in the world list. A few months later the song comes out on a major label with the same exact name and structure with just a few sounds changed. I dont think there's any way I can get credit for this since I sent it to them as a demo but be careful music industry is shady as F*ck
@@tenslider6722 I do have both. The hardest part is probably the legal fees which could easily go into the thousands. So im a little handcuffed cause I cant afford that but do have all the proof.
Definitely sue my man. Reach out to a lawyer and get what’s owed to you. If you do everything right they will take down your stolen work and send them a cease and desist order
+ Tags can be removed with an easy stem separation vocal remover app It’s not safe out there this video needs a part 2 about beat theft in the digital age
Over a year prior to ready to dies release , Dre Dog’s the new Jim jones had that beat from juicy and the beat to big poppa So who really made it first 🤔
Well it's a matter of how the beat is interpret like if someone mad a hit with a song and then someone tried to change it and went new school but it sounds the same by comparison knowing that person didn't come to that person years later saying "hey I'm really feeling your beat and as homage I wanted to make a new school or my version of it and I can touch basis with you on the song after" A perfect example of theft would be Keep on dancing by Marvin Gaye Then play good girl by Robin Thicke
