Soviet Submarine S-1 Impression 

18:00 "Good maneuvering by that player." Aye, good maneuvering player :Spee: and what a unique ign as well!

Alongside the other reccomended fixes: I'm hoping that they bring back the ping warning on all ships. It would be pretty nice to know when you should be on a greater alert for homing torps. To give surface vessels a chance to strike a submarine, in my opinion, there should be a "deadzone" that the sub can't be at between the depths of 3 and 6 meters. In this current test, a submarine can sit at 5.9m with all the benefits of being on the surface, but then can retreat to 6.1m deep and be immune to all surface gunfire. This could be added in conjunction to decreasing the rate of descent/ascent on a sub so the window of fire is longer. Also, as a counter to the shotgun, maybe the torpedo launch arc would be widened like it was in the Halloween 2018 submarines when you came to the surface. This would prevent you from popping up, launching a spread at the ship, scoring four hits, then being safe, either because you've already submerged to a safe depth, or the target is becoming an artificial reef. It should probably be 1.5x or more wide than a twin-tube wide spread on surface ships, giving you a lower chance to score a one-salvo kill unless you want to risk ramming the ship, and means that turning in will result in a maximum of two hits the sub scores on you. Plus, the arming time for the torpedoes should be increased for both the safety of the target and the sub. Torpedoes have a pretty damn big warhead, and as with depth charges, nearby explosions should be extremely harmful to subs. This means that shotgunning risks the submarine even more, as it could take damage from its own torpedo strike. I realize this is my own opinion, it being based on what I've played myself, plus the input of others. TLDR: -Bring back Ping warning for surface vessels -Subs can't stay between 3-6m, removing the 5.9m exploit (perhaps they cant recharge/get the 2d torp launch until at 3m or less) -Subs take longer to submerge and ascend -Surface torpedo launch arcs for submarines widened on surface (if the 3m-6m dead zone is added, this would be overkill) -Torpedo arm time increase across the board for subs. -Subs take damage from nearby torpedo explosions, regardless of team. If a sub is below an enemy BB that gets torped, the sub should take damage in a certain radius.

Of course. The most effective strategy in subs right now is to charge enemy ships and shoot them point blank. The best consumable for that task is a heal. So which nationality gets a heal I wonder? Oh the Soviets? I'm SOOOOOO surprised.

Unlimited diving time? So if your team is winning on point and you are the last guy, just dive down and waiting to win?

Surface ships need some hedgehog launchers, their own shotgun to counteract the sub shotgun

I think they should bring back the Oxygen mechanic instead of the battery and it would make this a little more balanced by making the sub's fully surface more often giving an opportunity for other ships to fire on them if they are not smart, and it would easily discourage shotgunning I also think that the speed should be toned down a bit when underwater and increased when above water as well as detection should increase when going full speed underwater as the cavitation from the screws I realize its an arcade game but I think it can be worked in and still be fun

Let me summarise submarine balance with a JoJo reference WG: YES YES YES YES The playerbase still remaining: NO N- WG: *Y E S !*

In a game that focuses on the time between the late 1890s and early 50s, Soviet subs have no business appearing in testing before the Japanese or even the Brits.

16:16 "Guys.. there's a lot of 𝙙𝙚𝙥𝙩𝙝 to this gameplay" Pun intended?

What if we also gave destroyers ping? Now hold on before you panic... they can only ping submarines, and that’s it. It’s so they can torpedo subs underwater and not have to rely only on depth charges.

I already know at this very moment that World of Warships is already developing a Soviet Submarine tech tree split...

Maybe add a minimum arming distance for submarine torpedos so you can’t shotgun ships?

It's going to be a nightmare when they release these things..

Honestly all ships NEED depth charges. They don't need differnt types tho, a BB is so slow and has such a big turn radius that is enough of a disadvantage in itself. Same with all classes the advantage is in a ships speed and maneuverability. So i believe universal DC couod work... maybe different nations though...

I think submarines need a cooldown to prevent it from constantly switching to surface and dive. Totally agree sub torps need an arming time.

The subs should not be able to see anything while fully submerged. I have a feeling the subs are going to break this game.

Torping Destroyers more easily than Destroyers torping Battleships is broken and unacceptable.

Battery is empty but the sub still can stay under water travelling at full speed??

"Can't" wait for seikret projetk #54782 with 100 Knots torpedos, Over 40 Knots speed, secondary armaments, stalinium armor and with detection of 100 meters. Balans comrade- As all things in soviet russia should be.

Balance Subs : Re-introduce Oxygen mechanic Reduce Vision Range (similar to being in a Cyclone so subs rely on DDs to spot) You say DDs can counter Subs.. But how can DDs even get close to depth charge a sub when there are CAs and BBs in normal games waiting to destroy DDs

This is a long post. I would love to see more depth in the ASW gameplay . Where are the ASW plane bombers ? Why does submarines , DD and CL can't use mines , a major job they did have ? And your right , BB and CA are totally hopeless against Sub , and BB especially need some more gameplay depth... because right now the only thing they do is : SHOOT BIG GUN. This is super sad , when you know some BB had planes , radars , mines , torpedoes , and could repair/resupply other ships etc...but no, they mostly just SHOOT BIG GUN in world of warship. It is sad. DD line : 3 depth charges , possible water mine consumable and mine sweeper, possible ASW Seaplane (Like the Cooper) CL line : 2 depth charges , possible water mine consumable and mine sweeper , possible ASW Seaplane (Like the Köln) CA /BB line : 1 depth charge , possible water mine consumable and mine sweeper , possible ASW Seaplane (Like the Desmoines) CV : Introduce the ASW Fido bomber , will drop a torpedo-mine specially designed against Submarines. (Like the Chaser) SUB : -add the little mounted guns please, some subs had canons for close engagement . -add water mine launcher , long CD . Water mine consumable : 3 mines launched back to back from the rear and is armed after 10 secondes. 3 charges per ship. Can explode without discrimination !! The water mine : Detection range of 1Km , explose if an entity is within 150m or less after 3 secondes or on contact of an entity (even a shell). Explosion radius of 300m and citadel damage on contact. The mine can be detected by acoustic radar at range of the radar. Deals 10 000 damage baseline , +50% on citadel . Reduced damage by torpedo protection. The Mine sweeper : 2Km range , 60sec duration . The mines can't detect the ship and if in 150 meter range of the ship , the mine is taken out of water (no more mine) . Nation speciality : USS: +100% depth charges and mines , +100% ASW planes (all type) , Normal explosion radius , Normal damage , Normal CD , All rounder , use quantity over quality , love ASW planes . IJN: Normal % depth charges and mines , +50% explosion radius , +100% damage , Long CD Specialized , use quality over quantity Royal navy : -50 % depth charges and mines , +100% explosion radius , -50% damage , Normal CD Specialized , largest explosion , lower damage output. Kriegsmarine : +50 % depth charges and mines , normal explosion radius , +50% damage , low CD All rounder , mine layers experts . Soviet navy : +150 % depth charges and mines , -50% explosion radius , -50% damage , low CD Use Balans so they can make a soviet wall of mine . This should add more depth to the ASW and resolve some problem with the inability to fight submarines in some comical situations like CV vs Sub or BB vs Sub or Sub vs Sub while still leaving the DD and CL the main counter of Sub.

I would say add depth charges on the spotter planes they were used for asw as well and this could balance it out if the sub wants to shotgun

They should put an arming distance to the torpedoes to prevent subs from shotgunning ships

Flamu: omg subs r gonna kill us all!!! Notser: this is fine:)

Jesus I haven’t played this game in ages and my brain is like: *THANK GOD* ..honestly, that’s how I feel. I needed the break. The game at least for the EU sever is toxic..the team play is just not as good anymore.

WG has done it again. Place a placebo advantage on other nations (longer homing) while keeping the real advantage for the Soviet stuff (heals and speed). This won't ever change, LOL.

Best way to balance this and keep things somehow historically accurate and fair... Depth Charges for all ships is not the answer. Make the surfacing and diving of the sub slower. No sub can actually go up and down that fast in real life. It will also make the "shotgun" style that is super unfair, almost too risky to do.

20kts submerged? Uuuuhhhm _no,_ not unless it's doing 40kts+ on the surface.

Just went back to test server after watching Noster's last vid on skipping homing and man does it make play so much better

you just need to extend the maximum arming distance of the sub's torps and it will give the surface ships more time to take evasive maneuvers etc

I'm wondering if they're going to equip a CVs squadrons with some form of submarine detection.

one trick I used with destroyer that worked even against the shotgun was to attack from the sides at high speed. subs can't hit on the sides so if they can't suicide-surface on you they're helpless in that position. of course, I used german and british destroyers for the hydro acoustic to keep the exact orientation of the sub in view so I knew where the sides were. the subs are really frail under those depth charges. also important to keep in mind subs were designed specifically to challenge large surface ships in the game. a "counter-class" system. it would be interesting to see people using convoy formation to counter this new threat. if you have some guys hanging around with hydro, others can get ready to hit the sub when they surface

1:33 lol xD That was effective

Hey Notser, could you do a guide the Georgia post- IFHE rework? I'm not really sure what to think now that the secondaries have been nerfed.

Hello notser and commemt section i have a georgia but i am doubting on my last module should i go for accuracy or a better reload

What if when you are out of energy then every like say 3 or 5 seconds you take 150 damage?

Submarines surfacing below water faster than normal ships can go from going backwards to 1/4 is kinda insane. They need time to go underwater. Especially if we are taking about subs between 1914-1940

I like the ideas you put forth in this video. What do you think about reducing the speeds of the subs to a more realistic speed underwater, to counter that insane stealth? It would be more realistic, and combined with your commentary, it would work to counter some of the problems inherent in the system at the moment.

is there gonna be substantially better hardware requirements? what happens to ship wreck deep down? how long are the wrecks rendered before they crash the game for good?

I'm not seeing any penalty to low battery I feel like it should force a surface. Also arming time when submerging or surfacing this is kinda broken atm

I think the submarines should be given a sort time to submerge or to surface to make it more balance, cause using the battery sistem like this, submariner just have to learn how to shotgun instead of using the guided torpedo, but I agree with the idea of giving all ship a depth charge and just like the real one, the depth charge should be able to give some damage in area sou it doesnt have be on the same depth

wonder if they are going to put the IJN subs in

the other ships you want to have depth charges, have enough skills to deal with other things, otherwise you just make everything cookie cutter which makes it boring, are you going to give the cv depth charges as well?

Agree with you Notser the "shotgun" or "dolphin, as you called it recently" can't be defended and must be changed {5 seconds ! I had recommended a timer be put on subs which lengthen's their surface + dive time to make it more realistic and fair to ships. Not sure if most of the test games end with primarily subs, but if they are that's one indicator they are perhaps to powerful needing a little more balance. LOVE your analysis and tactics study!!

The current live-server is just 5-6 BBs per side, camping all time. The test-server is the most realistic Wows was ever in; destroyers and cruiser clashing it out while the subs linger around - perfect! The occasional Bob with his BB enriches the scenery. Reminds me alot of the Norwegian invasion; dozens of DDs, some cruisers and the lonely Warspite. :D

fix: submerging has a cool down that activates upon surfacing. once surfaced, you cannot submerge for xyz seconds.

Simple question: Can subs can spot DDs and can DDs hunt a sub while spoted? I mean in a realistic enviroment were everyone instantly kill any DD that is spoted for more than 1.5 seconds......

I was not expecting a Star Wars reference for World of Warships. This is the way.

I think they need a delay on how soon you can fire your torps after surfacing.

A submarine shouldnt take more torps than a dd 2:44

DDS and light cruiser should be able to "get a lock on the subs" with a detection penalty. BBs should also be able to get that ASW feature with a module above tier 6.

Why not give the battleships a consumable to plant area denial deep mines map wide, that only affects subs. maybe using the map to plant them, similar to SPGs in World of tanks

Whatever happened to the forced surface if you are out of battery. Id make it so that once you are out of bat you have to charge it to a certain % before you can dive again.

Still do not understand the Homing Torpedoes' never needed homing for DD Torps?

What about the planes onboard ships, like, on battleships or cruisers, they should be able to use them in the ASW role, a consumable like the spotter/fighter plane could work, when you activate the consumable, the plane goes after the sub that is near the player, maybe give the player the abilitiy to select a target for the plane to attack, a bit like the secondaries on ships. (sorry for my weird english)

Need to have slower dive dives, or rechargeable air to prevent immediate reviving and slower travel speed under water, also torps need min arm time. Imo, below periscope depth you should have to rely on manually AOE pinging to see anything, and it should give away the area of your position. Depth charges on every ship is a good idea too.

Also maybe make aircraft more of a threat by giving them depth charges as well? Aircraft were a huge counter to submarines irl and carriers with ASW planes played a big role in killing subs. Aircraft can only spot the sub if it’s on the surface/periscope then have a similar dynamic to dive bombers to drop.

i took 2 enemy subs without the ping, since I had no battery left. I also took out 2 enemy subs by ramming... it was glorious

or distance + damage the farther away from the more damage the torp has. So shooting a bb you have to be farther away to do real damage. you can be closer on a dd due to less armor

Why do you never go for the second ping point to get the maximum damage potential and ensure hits by the torpedoes? Seems like a lot miss because you don't do this.

I'd get rid of homing. But the whole point of subs is to not fight fair. And how fast were subs underwater maybe 8km/hr?

How to make subs not OP and bearable in 3 very easy steps: 1. Give torps arming time 2. Remove the ability for torps to always ignore torpedo protection with pings, make it possible but random with pings and not possible without them. 3. Add an oxigen bar that depletes when submerged and depletes faster the deeper you go.

curious what tier the i 400 would be at

WG Employee: Doesn't look OP to me.

I have a question is the artillery on the top of the submarine actually fires ?

does anyone have a link to the test server?

As a BB to Heavy Cruiser player, the day subs will be introduced to the game it's the end of WoWs for me!

Emm am i the only one who want to see noster's cat while he was recorded

What is the hard counter to a sub? DDs and aircraft have always been that IRL, also DDs were almost never targeted by subs, as that was pretty much a death sentence. American DDs were designed to hunt and destroy subs, British used more defensive tactics to deter subs attacking convoys, which was actually very effective. I'm not seeing this, your video demonstrates that as it stands now, DDs are a very effective against DDs. WG is taking a huge chance in this, and I personally think this idea will backfire worse than me after a egg and bean sandwich .

Well maybe now they will introduce also the mining ships laying down mines in the water...

BB's and Cruisers with Catapult launched aircraft should be able to drop depth charges.

BB/CV/CA spotter and fighter planes should be able to spot Subs and attack them with depth charge.

Battleships should get a decoy to mess with the homing Torpedos

Give the BB's & heavy cruisers with a catapult a float plane with depth charges that auto drop at an area around the ship. Give the ships without catapult fighters, a "Hydrophone" consumable (Hydroacoustic Search but only for sub surface vessels), to allow them to at least spot the subs to be able to train their turrets in their direction or run.

WG should call 9.4 the "Just Uninstall" update. Helpless BBs, hyper-super-subs, broken mechanics. Why-oh-why did I buy the Tirpitz for Christmas?

they should implement a similar system to priority sector with depth charges, so a ship can generally locate where to drop depth charges. This will make thigs more interactive and competitive, but yeah every ship should have some kind of countermeasure to subs. BBs and heavy cruisers could have a limited charge or lower depths or damage etc.

Make the secondaries more effective?

I like the idea of "all ships get depth charges, but the effectiveness dramatically changes between ships"

1.They should add oxygen as well. 2. Change the Battery into only can be charged on surface. 3. limit the speed for SS in water like 10 kt and surface around 20kt.

… doesnt seem good for the game.. Hope they understand that they dont have to bring subs into the game, if it cant balanced..

Only downside to Notser's shotgun against a DD is: if you miss = you are 100% dead.

Empty battery should force a emergency surfacing action imo, like in the halloween event. This unlimited submersion is more OP than the shotgun torpedoes...

So basically a surface ship has no chance. RIP WOW

i really hope hey add the I-400 and maybe even an arpeggio skin for the I-401. maybe the sub has 3 fighter/spotter consumables with some other special ability (bc subs cant benefit from gun range)

any clue on the flags for subs cuz if you cant add them then you will lose credits more often then not if you dont have preem account. i dont care about the stelth boost on como but most camos have exp fee exp and credits boosts and the like. but i know there still in testing so they may fix that be fore adding i wont lie tho i sow the guns that fire the sonar ping and thought close quarters expert hear i come

I thought if subs ran out of battery they would have to go to the surface? I know it's an arcade game, but batteries were recharged with diesel engines. Also DDs being strong against subs isn't going to help much with how fast they often die especially with when there is a CV in the match.

When are these things coming out? And how to we kill it as a battleship?

So basically Germans have hydro Americans have speed boost Soviets have repair Japanese has spotter planes? Lol

The problem is that historically asking if all ship types can get depth charges is the same as asking if we can give all ships torpedo bombers

i've posted a similar idea on flamu's and jingles videos for a while now just a slower recharge on depth charges so a BB or CC can push off a sub attack once every minute or two. I think the damage should remain the same closer to the charges you are the more damage, but just some way to defend normal ships, besides the CV's i want subs to be CV killers so they have to stick with the rest of the team put themselves in conventional fire range sometimes.

BB should be able to arm their aircraft with Depth charges, just thinking out loud

How long till public release subs y’all think?

All WG needs to implement is a few seconds torpedo readiness delay if the sub surfaces.

The subs close range attack is op

Have it so some DDs have the option of dropping sea mines that only effect subs at that max depth or below the levels that gunfire can hit them but have to sacrifice depth charges but can lay a patch of mines in one square at low tier but up to three or so depending on nations etc and have the mines with low concealment but it would allow the DDs and maybe some cruisers and BBs to block off sectors to subs for a few minutes or so and only hydro on some subs can find them to make it fair and give advantages to subs with sonar as well as a disadvantage to the dive to the deck tactic so the shotgun can’t happen all the time maybe make it so the detectability of the mines are determinant of battery level

like is there any date

Super keen for subs

What do you feel like the pros and cons will be of Japanese Subs?

Now this kinda play I can get into!, but omg I pitty all those dang ships lol.

Every bb should have a new consumable that’s like immediate close range secondary’s that lasts 5-8 seconds to help mitigate the “shotgun” play by subs cause the shotgun technique is op in my opinion