Space Engineers: Pistons and Rotors after the Physics Update (tests and tips for Space Engineers)

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With the update to the physics in Space Engineers the idea of combining multiple rotors or multiple pistons into something that actually functions reliably is no longer a pipe dream!
Today we take a look at how well, or poorly they work together and if we can turn stacks of pistons and rotors into something genuinely useful for survival or for when you have a pumpkin you need to dispose of after halloween.
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@wishyourlife6861 6 лет назад

*This Video has been age restricted due to Dangerous Behavior of various Blocks*

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Oh no! They've restricted my video because of my pumpkin launcher! But I swear, punkin chunkin is advertiser friendly :P

@keithaj1983 6 лет назад

WishYourLife Block lives matter?

@ElimGWolfwoodFTW 6 лет назад

Lol ^_^ BP

@DSiren 6 лет назад

I wanted to like but it was already at 69 so I couldn't in good mind do so.

@DSiren 6 лет назад

splitsie if you balanced the weight on the rotor heads it wouldn't wobble so much. looks a lot like the G-force exhibited from rotating at high velocity.

@bezyn2291 6 лет назад

Rotor stack is the funest thing I've seen since my rover build around big atmo thruster :D

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It's especially fun watching it wobble when you stop it as well 😃

@philconey11 6 лет назад

I see the "clay pidgeon launcher" working more as a ship catapult system. Do that in space and you won't have to waste ship energy getting up to max speed.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Or do it on an exploding ship and you'll have a quick escape from the destruction in your escape pod ;)

@riccardogemme 6 лет назад

It's a pumpkin invasion! They want revenge for what we did to them while decoring for halloween!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

They must have won their cabbage patch war and are now ready to fight us! They're too well prepared!

@riccardogemme 6 лет назад

Oh No! Deploy the Death Star immediatly!

@DonnaPinciot 6 лет назад

Always love to see videos testing game mechanics, especially physics, and even more so after the physics update! It feels like there's been a lack of testing, despite the numerous videos that have come it. It just never feels like there's enough, you know? And it's so fun to see what people come up with and the oddness that may or may not result from their tests. However, most people seem to be ignoring the 'Share Inertia Tensor' option, so we haven't seen a whole lot of what that can do... I hope you'll be fiddling with it, if not here then at some point in the future. But enough talking, on to watching the video!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I'm surprised more people aren't doing it, trying to break something is a lot of fun :)

@DonnaPinciot 6 лет назад

That thing not rotating is 100% intentional, to make vehicles not flip out when a subgrid is on it. Forces are applied at the center of mass for the whole thing now, not for each attached grid, so that thing ain't moving with a single offset thruster attached to the ground. Oh hey, you said the exact same thing once I unpaused the grid. Neat! Well, I don't think they'll be changing that any time soon, since making vehicles work right is far more important than letting you spin a rotor really fast with thrusters.

@DonnaPinciot 6 лет назад

Yep, the speed limit is disabled for subgrids, but if they stop being a subgrid, they immediately snap back to the speed limit. You're probably about to say the same thing once I unpause again, huh?

@DonnaPinciot 6 лет назад

Perhaps the rotors are working more easily with equal and opposite force, since if you rotate the head, you're going to push the body in the opposite direction at the same speed, so there probably are those effectively not rotating much, if at all, since they are mobile.

@DonnaPinciot 6 лет назад

Oh dear, I don't think breaking the top speed will work if you're not connected to the grid. Best-case, you'll be able to break it only for the duration of it pushing you, but you'll be fighting it the whole way. Worst-case, you clip through and/or destroy one or both grids due to the immovable object thing. Oh, you didn't seem to be quite trying to do that? You mentioned it, but didn't get anywhere near it.

@HexLabz 6 лет назад

This video was reading my mind! Every thought I had, you said within minutes of me thinking it. Very well done, sir!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks, great minds think alike or something ;) Some might say fools never differ, we don't need to listen to them though :P

@envyhatori4571 6 лет назад

The rotor with a thruster was saying that the angular velocity is too high. That's why it didn't move.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

That would explain a lot, but that also means that it probably can't be used to make a super speed rotor :(

@davidpodeszwa7010 6 лет назад

Maybe it has so high speed that you cant see it rotating :D

@youdegens4538 6 лет назад

The rotor with the thruster will work if you set the torque to 0

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

The torque should only matter when the rotor is on, once you turn it off it uses the breaking torque to determine the force needed to move the rotor part. Not sure if something changes in the rotor if I turn it on with regard to dealing with the thruster though. The way I'd set it up had worked before the physics update as I used it at the end of my rotor tutorial which is why I'd tested it that way, but even if it doesn't work anymore I hope there's some way we can use thrusters to turn the rotor, I'll have to try what you suggested and see if for some strange reason having the rotor on changes it's behaviour with the thruster

@youdegens4538 6 лет назад

Splitsie I got it working right after the last major update. That indicates that keen changed that with rotors. Im gonna test it again and report the result

@youdegens4538 6 лет назад

It worked right after i removed a block by the rotor

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

weird, I wonder why it behaves differently with the rotor on... thanks for letting me know :)

@youdegens4538 6 лет назад

If you want, I could upload a blueprint to the workshop that replicates the conditions.

@thebambi5817 6 лет назад

OMG one word trebuchet !!! probly need a grav block or two a couple free moving rotors and some posts attached to the loose rotors to emulate rope ;)

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I really really want to build one, I started making one using a chain of rotors for rope but it didn't quite work. If I manage to make an effective one I think it would deserve a video on its own ;)

@vladimirartemyev4201 6 лет назад

May i ask you to do tutorials on LCDs and full Tim tutorial and maybe other scripts. Also it would be interesting to see some more comlex mechanisms, like complex hangar doors, lifts, pushing platforms, transforming or modular ships etc. Great videos, man!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I've got a tutorial on LCDs ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0PfVjBrEcmQ.html ) have an idea on how to cover some of what TIM does as well as alternatives to it that might not do as much but might do some parts of it better. Not sure how soon I'll get to it but it's on my to-do list :)

@hobgoblinuk5100 6 лет назад

Fantastic to see rotors and pistons working so well. My current survival game has a much more mundane use. Connecting a space only ship that has forward and rear facing hydrogen thrusters that I landed on a planet with 12 parachutes and a lot of thrust to a crashed ship with a lot of resources. Nice and stable connector set up that would likely have been a disaster before lol. Your recent videos on the update have hugely useful and appreciated, cheers fella.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks :) It's pretty awesome that we can do things like the salvage operation you put together, it feels like real engineering when you come up with wacky solutions like that and they actually come off without a hitch

@wholleyseasons3296 6 лет назад

First it was The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes now new from Splitsie Productions comes the most horror ever...The Attack of the Robotic Pumpkins. (no actual pumpkins were harmed during the making of this video).

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Just wait for my next terror, you'll never look at jelly beans the same way :P

@greyhunter3271 6 лет назад

Bravo my friend! Always happy to watch another of your vids! Keep making the good stuff!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thank you very much :)

@ZLP-TM 6 лет назад

that was some very impressive way to end a video.. just let yourself get rolled over an pumpkin and then leave the black screen like it was. awesome, props for that effort

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks so much, I really like it when there's a more interesting way for me to end a video. This one was a bit of luck but when I got to editing the footage I knew I had to use it :)

@theklaxonhive7855 6 лет назад

Great video, We have learned quite a bit about the mechanics of Space engineers from you, but We would like to recommend setting timers up and triggering them instantly with a button to make the presentation of experiments smoother.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks, that's a fair point I really should make greater use of buttons and timers...

@ShadowMage3D 6 лет назад

The piston thing has always been there. It only makes sense that if you've got three pistons extending at the same speed, the end is going to move at three times the individual extension speed. I found this out a long time ago, building a large drill rig, if you're extending all the pistons simultaneously, their individual maximum speed has to be the cumulative max divided by the number of pistons. The thruster thing isn't going to work in vanilla, because all thrust is calculated through the center of mass. Digi made a Realistic Thruster mod that gives offset forces for thrusters.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

The only trouble with using the stacked pistons before was that I'd often end up with some very bizarre behaviour followed by explosions :P The thruster thing used to work exactly as I set it up, the reason I wanted to test it is that as you say, since the update it puts thrust through the center of mass. It turns out though that it still works but only under the very specific conditions of having the rotor still on but with low or 0 torque - that to me seems like there's a bug or two in that behaviour...

@ShadowMage3D 6 лет назад

I seem to recall something about it on the stream with W4stedspace and Wedge just after the update. It might be the shared center of mass, which means that it's actually trying to move your platform instead of just the arm

@Zephrame 6 лет назад

For the Rotor Thruster: The rotor definitely needs to be 'on', because whenever a block with a movement function is 'off', it is essentially locked. You'll also have to drop its torque to zero

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Actually there are two methods for a freely spinning rotor, sadly only one of them seems to work for the thrusters - which I've only learned from comments since this video was released. You can either have the rotor on with torque at 0 or you can have the rotor off and braking torque at 0. To have the thrusters work apparently you need to have the rotor on for some odd reason... I can't understand why there would be a functional difference between the two setups which is why I hadn't even thought to try the other at the time :P Oops!

@samuels1123 Год назад

@@Splitsie I believe the status of the rotor defines some property of the attached subgrid, when the rotor is on, the subgrid is 'on', more accurate force calculations are used

@theletterm9811 6 лет назад

You should get some guys together to do a Punkin Chunkin competition to see who's rotor and piston design can launch a Clang-O-Lantern the farthest.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

That could be a very fun idea, at the very least I could get anyone to link me a blueprint and I could go through a bunch of different designs

@TinchoX 5 лет назад

The last scene with the rolling pumpkins feels epic for some reason :P Great video by the way

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

Thanks, I was hoping for a little bit of the Indiana Jones vibe when I thought of it, not sure I got that, but it was still a whole lot of fun :D

@tsabito 6 лет назад

Great vid! But I was rly hoping for the rest of the Autopilot series :D

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I've got something special planned for the next autopilot video that might even extend that series by 1 or 2 videos, it's just taking a little longer to put together than I'd expected :)

@xpainx5185 6 лет назад

Autopilot and missiles will be great! Without scripts. I am having fun and problems with them.

@nathanj2439 6 лет назад

Rotors can now be used to make a station side launch pad for small and maby large ships!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It would be pretty cool to fling your small ships so that they can launch extra quickly :)

@BoulderInTime 5 лет назад

No one said it yet? No? Well then. ITS PUMPKIN CHUNKIN’ BABY!

@kylebellah5723 5 лет назад

i think i finally figured out how to use thrusters to spin an arm on a rotor. you have to isolate the arm as its own grid. i built the setup with a rotor, a few blocks with a thruster at the end like you have in the video. i removed the thruster and on the push side of the arm, added another rotor (which i locked) and a light block with the thruster on top of the light block pointing at the arm. Turn off the (Hinge) rotor and turn on your thruster

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

Nice, that makes sense, it's strange having to work around Space Engineers' way of pushing all the thrust through the centre of mass

@DerIsy 6 лет назад

The rotor behavior with intertia tensor spinning slowly is the exact same problem I had with my solar script. I noticed, that, the more shared subgrids you have, the weaker the very first rotor gets, up to a point, where it is barely able to move the grids above it - even with max torque. That's why I only enable the inertia tensor on the horizontal rotors by default. The angular velocity experiment however should work, if you turn the rotor on. The braking torque actually gets applied when the rotor is turned off (you can see that when hovering over the braking torque slider as a tooltip). In my solar script I set torque and braking torque to 0 but leave rotor on, if a U-shape contraption is used..

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I had the rotor off so it should have been using the braking torque. I don't quite understand why it works when you turn the rotor on and have no torque but not with the rotor off but no braking torque. In my head those two situations should be identical. Am I missing something?

@DerIsy 6 лет назад

You're missing that logic related to physics behavior isn't built into space engineers, yet ;-) No, seriously - you're right! It should work that way but it isn't..

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks isy that actually makes me feel a lot better :)

@DerIsy 6 лет назад

You're welcome Splitsie ;-)

@madbadger2074 6 лет назад

You should use you're piston chain idea to make a sort of boarding device or harpoon to latch onto ships

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I wonder if you could use it to create a form of propulsion if you disconnect from a static base at the right time, making a launched harpoon...

@drahcirtmd3924 5 лет назад

And thus was planted; the seed of inspiration for the coyote. =P

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

So very true :)

@NightH4wkG4ming 6 лет назад

When you have had enough of ME but still have an itch for catapults xD

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

So true! :P I did see a trebuchet on the workshop before, but I sort of want to work out how to build my own from scratch just for the challenge :)

@ElimGWolfwoodFTW 6 лет назад

You might want to try the rotor with thruster on an arm extension with the rotor on a landing gear. The thruster maybe trying to spin the whole station that the rotor is attached to and not just the rotor head or rotor.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Apparently it'll work with an even simpler fix - a few people have told and showed me that the thruster will work if the rotor is on with torque at 0, even though in my head that's the same as having it off with braking torque at 0. Oh well, just a little SE quirk :P

@ElimGWolfwoodFTW 6 лет назад

Splitsie I tried the same thing, and found the same. However I also found that in some cases you can't have more then one going at a time. Also sometimes I got somewhat of a springboard effect when mounting the rotors sideways. It may be worth another video to cover how this works and in some cases doesn't. . . ^_^

@teddy5004 5 лет назад

i scroll down to read the comments for five seconds, then i look up hearing a commotion only to see a dozen pumpkins rolling down a mountain....

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

I really need to get back to doing more ridiculous things like that at the end of videos, they were fun :)

@kevingriffith6011 6 лет назад

I was hoping you'd put bouncybears into that catapult there, but I guess pumpkins will have to do.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Damn! Missed opportunity ;)

@stalincat2457 6 лет назад

I was suprised at the thruster not driving the rotor! Mine worked just fine. Differences were that my rotor was on a piston, and the thruster was assisting a rotor that already wanted to rotate on it's own.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It turns out there's a bug with it where it'll only work if the rotor is on and has 0 torque, I don't know why I didn't test it that way at the time :P

@Darilon12 3 года назад

The problem with using thrusters to rotate is that SE seperates linear and rotational movement. As thrusters push the grid straight it won't result in rotational movement. SE also really hates any rotation not centered around the center of mass as that center of mass does three things at once. 1. It moves 'linearly'. 2. It changes the direction of that movement constantly to make that movement appear circular. 3. It rotates It's a bit like NESCAR. Going around in circles looks easy, but is actually really hard.

@alexblock6734 6 лет назад

I believe you problem is that you didn't turn down the movement Torque on the rotor to zero, if you turned this down in the past. The items would flop around. Also The Themis auto leveling script "one of the best scripts in the game" I believe still works and this works entirely on thrust applying a off centered force. Hopefully this comment isn't redundant

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

The rotors are oddly bugged, the behaviour with rotor off and braking torque at 0 should be the same as rotor on and torque at 0, and that's how it was before the patch. Both of those setups would spin freely and rotate with a thruster. Since the patch it only works with the rotor on and torque at 0 for some strange reason, annoyingly I didn't think to try both at the time :P

@MadSpectro7 6 лет назад

So we could say that activating shared inertial tensors is equivalent to "safe mode" for rotors. Holy shit I just got an idea for a new feature: make all of the new rotor behavior toggleable!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It's mostly safe, I'm sure I could find a way to break it :P

@stueckdreck 6 лет назад

I have managed to have a rotor (off) with a grav drive attached to one end, close to the rotor and a cabin with a reactor and a flight seat at the other end (far from the rotor) to reach abou 1000m/s without speed mods. I think for the thruster thing to work you need a flight seat on the grid that you wish to propel and also make sure that it is not set as "station". The funniest part was when I detached the rotor - the grid kept spinning violently, but not perfectly circular - it spun out of control while circling around the general area that the rotor was in. Also it slowed down to 100m/s

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I tried it with the flight seat, but edited that part out since at the time it didn't work either :/ It seems like for thrusters to spin a rotor, the rotor needs to be on, if it's off it just behaves weirdly... I'm glad things work as they should with a grav drive based rotation :)

@pentbot 6 лет назад

Just want to commend you on the really good time to cut the end of the episode's visuals, worked really well.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks you :) As soon as I watched that piece of footage I couldn't help but end things there

@damemes3669 5 лет назад

Same as before the update, thrusters don't apply torque to grids and thus will not rotate your rotor. The thruster tries to move the sub-grid and the rotor stops that.

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

I'd had it working prior to the update, if you have a look at my rotors tutorial you can see it, though it seems these days the only way to do it is to ensure that the subgrid is heavily lopsided so that the force going through the middle of the subgrid isn't directly over the rotor :)

@JagsFinestGaming 6 лет назад

Maybe try putting pistons on the rotor launcher thing and see if if can get timed just right so that the pistons give it vertical movement and the rotors give it horizontal movement.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

That would be really cool if you got the timing just right :)

@clintonsavage4018 6 лет назад

I appreciate you trying some stuff with the rotor/thruster thing that I suggested, sorry it didn't work out.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It's a bit of a bugger that it didn't work, though I've been told that you can use the thruster on the rotor, but apparently the rotor needs to be on with 0 torque - which should create the same conditions as what I did but apparently the game doesn't think so :P

@teresabooth312 6 лет назад

Thrusters apply force to the centre of the grid or the centre of mass

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Except for certain conditions with rotors, oddly. I just missed the correct conditions slightly, if the rotor is on, you'll be able to use them to make it spin :)

@JanGaarni 6 лет назад

Lucky with the fading to black at ending the there. :)

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I actually felt lucky that the pumpkin hit me ;) I really like making endings like that :P

@AsherWolfson 5 лет назад

One word; COUNTERWEIGHT.

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

Yep, that' probably would have been smart :P

@brettknox2727 6 лет назад

Hey I've got an idea. Use Your spinning launcher in a vertical set up, try an over hand "pitch" and a under hand "pitch" and see which one throws the warhead farther. Your should also try releasing the warhead at 45° of each pitch to see if it yields better results. PS love your survival sort of series!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

That's a really cool idea, if you could get a consistent launch position you could calculate the distances you get out of each angle and have a reasonably accurate weapon! And thanks, I have a lot of fun making these testing videos and am having more fun in that survival series than I've had for a while :)

@goblinRa2a 6 лет назад

Awesome video!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks! :)

@freddyli5356 6 лет назад

6:17 You spin me right round, baby Right round like a record, baby......

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

If only I'd actually gotten the thruster to do it, then we could have played that at 3 or 4 times speed ;)

@JavMT28 6 лет назад

I feel that you lost a prime opportunity for an excellent reference. At 11:41 you could've said "Smashing Pumpkins is one thing" that would've been awesome =P

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Yep that was definitely a missed opportunity, I was almost going to put that on the thumbnail, but thought I shouldn't given RU-vid's odd behaviour with copyright stuff :P

@wishyourlife6861 6 лет назад

This is an Alternative to Gravity Generators in Space. And its a Option in Atmosphere. :)

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

That is something I really want to try now! :)

@FMHikari 5 лет назад

What we actually need to do with these pistons is build a huge ship with hangar doors, that when open they release a spring punch.

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

lol that would be hilarious :D

@FMHikari 5 лет назад

I have to say.. i've been trying for the past two days, but all i could do was a hydrogen powered fist

@AngelboyVR 6 лет назад

awesome video btw m8

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks :)

@tennohack6704 6 лет назад

There's a mod called Realistic Thrusters - offset forces for thrusters on the steam workshop, try doing that rotor thing with that installed

@tennohack6704 6 лет назад

I think it might make all the difference, not sure though as i don't know the complexities of the game engine

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

That would probably work, I haven't played with it though, I have a feeling I'd lose as many engineers as I've lost Kerbals if I did :P

@tennohack6704 6 лет назад

Yeah it makes a LOT of ships not work xD But i do like the idea ;p

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Same - it might be fun to try to make a staged rocket while using it ;)

@tennohack6704 6 лет назад

yeah! I personally love the idea of a hover carrier, like that one in, was it the avengers movie? I've been wanting to design one of those, actually having to balance the atmospheric thrusters and everything, sadly i suck at designing ships xD better at editing existing ones at the moment :p

@atlasgames4275 6 лет назад

The thruster arm thing is a part of a limiter in the physics engine that makes thruster position irrelevant there is a mod that enables this (I think this is what is happening based on what I know)

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Oddly that doesn't seem to be the problem, if I'd thought to turn on the thruster and make it have 0 torque (which should behave the same as what I did) the rotor will spin with the thruster... very odd and almost certainly a bug. But what you mentioned is what I thought at the time, that it was applying the thrust to the center of mass for the entire shared grid thus not spinning the rotor, but oh well at least the rotor stack works :)

@yui4342 5 лет назад

@Splitsie you need to set the upper limit to Unlimited to make it free spin

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

Only if it's running up against the angle limit, which those ones weren't. In my survival series I've since worked out that you need to have the center of mass far enough away from the rotor to allow for thrusters to create rotational force, however they are not very good at it any more so there are far better options for high speed launching which physics blocks :)

@hottox8861 4 года назад

Im gonna make that piston cannon for my ship. Just get in and YEET

@Splitsie 4 года назад

I have wanted to use one as a ship launcher more than once :P

@ChozoSR388 6 лет назад

Have you tried killing off the rotor's torque on the thruster model? That might have something to do with the lack of motion; this happens with motors in real life; the higher the torque the motor has, the more difficult it is for an outside force to overcome the motor's inertia.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

SE also allows you to have free spinning rotors with the rotor off and braking torque at 0 but it does something buggy when you attach a thruster to it. Oddly even though that should work, what you've suggested does work. Setting the torque to 0 and leaving it on apparently everything works exactly as it used to... I can't really explain it :P

@domagojkobescak6752 3 года назад

it is probably a station, add a cockpit or controll seat and turn it to a ship in info tab.

@Splitsie 3 года назад

I worked it out later, It was due to where the centre of mass is, it needs to be further away from the pivot of the rotor for the thruster to be able to push the arm

@superhelicase 6 лет назад

Too lazy to read through all the comments to see if this has been mentioned, but on your rotor launching system, add a counterweight to the other side of the arm until the center of mass is over the rotor stack. That should greatly reduce the wobble, and probably get even more speed.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I was definitely silly not to have done that, and as you suspected several other people had pointed out that little bit of info - will be certain to remember it for the next flinging machine I build :)

@captainbritian 6 лет назад

if noone has said this before if you turn down the torque it should allow the thruster to move the rotor i found this out when trying to connect two rotor's together to spin them at the same time for looks of building my mining rig

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It turned out there was a weird behaviour at the time I made this, where if the rotor was off there was no way to move it with thrusters, but if you turn it on and turn the torque down it'll be able to move. The rotors should have been able to freely move when off with no braking torque but just wouldn't :(

@Oxyg1n_dev 6 лет назад

Dude ^^ ur vidio editing ^^ doing the endcard when the pumpkin hits u ^^ made me laugh ^^ hahaha ^^ amazing vidieo

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Thanks so much, it was a bit of luck that I got that footage, but once I saw it I knew exactly where I was going to use it :)

@LexieAssassin 6 лет назад

Trebuchets? Inkvine catapults? Also interesting with the rotors, b/c I remember testing something like that once years ago and found that second rotor didn't actually help. The first rotor would get slowed down by the second one's counter torquing base. Edit: What if you use a "warhead" with an overridden thruster on it? Sort of like a rocket assisted artillery shell, eh? Also, I think you'd probably be better just mounting your flinger vertically and that way you might get a bit more range, but you definitely could adjust the release point to change the impact point. :) Oh, and another thing, instead of using a merge block, why not use a landing gear? Then you don't have to sacrifice the merge block on the "warhead" end. Would obviously be more complicated, but I still think it'd be doable.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I'd experienced the same thing with rotors before the update, it's why I really wanted to try it again. I'm so glad it works now :) I used the merge block as it makes building and disconnecting with the projector easier, using grinders or other such devices to disconnect the warhead is always much more fiddly. I totally agree with you on setting it up vertically though, that would likely add a lot to the range

@thatsGottahhurt 6 лет назад

Hey Splitsie, i have a question for you, i've followed one of your tutorials about solar panels rotating to the sun. I've created a multiplayer survival server so the rotation gives allot of profit with energie but it makes the server lag. Do you have any experience in what can cause these problems or how to solve them? Grids with unsafe values - Rotors. Please keep beeing this amazingly good with your content yet again amazing video!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Sadly scripts and moving grids have a strong tendency to make server performance drop significantly and the same is true in single player if you have a lot of them running. If you stick to scripts that have updated to not require timer blocks there might be a small performance gain but ultimately there's not much you can do other than stopping the scripts :( And thanks :)

@thatsGottahhurt 6 лет назад

Hey Splitsie, Thanks for taking the time to reply on my message, i'm starting to find where the issue is coming from. Noticed i described it a bit poorly in my message above. Can't wait to see a new vid from you! :)

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

You're welcome and I'm glad you're getting things working better anyway :)

@Retsom3D 6 лет назад

i think you should know that in this game the thrust of a thruster/the force of an impact is always applied to the center of mass of the grid: this means that the rotor and and the thruster are pushing against each other (according to the physics engine). Note that this rule only applies on a single grid. In other words: you can make that thing spin by thruster if you make the arm a piston. (in theory) havent played the game in at least a year tho.

@Retsom3D 6 лет назад

nevermind.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I'm guessing you saw the other comments on the issue, it's a bit frustrating that there's a few oddities and inconsistencies in the way that they're working, but at least they explode less :)

@Retsom3D 6 лет назад

nah, i just kept watching the video... until you said "the apply force one the shared center of mass of all the sub-grids"

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Ah, yep. Sometimes I take a little longer to get to the idea than I would like, particularly when I'm recording at the same time as testing in order to get any reactions to the results to be real :P

@aaronthedude8787 6 лет назад

hello i figured out the rotor thruster thing just turn it on put the velocity too the smallest figure our to max and it will start flying with the power of the thruster for me i set mine to 0.10 and it was moving and around 154ms. ps like this so that splitsie can see

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It seems to be related to the rotor being on, when it's off it won't spin freely with the thruster no matter whether it should spin freely or not. A bit weird but also a bit annoying that I didn't think to try that at the time :P

@aaronthedude8787 6 лет назад

ya your fine, glad its working thank you for replying cheers, i hope you can make some more cool stuff now that rotors work for the most part. ps happy new year

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Same to you, hope you have a great 2018 :)

@aaronthedude8787 6 лет назад

Good evening, and keep up the amazing work, 2018 here we come.

@Dukered279 6 лет назад

There was a device on the workshop not too long ago that fired projectiles by using a couple rotors and a custom script that used their rotor displacement feature like a faster piston extension but it didn't project them very far and the author claims anything past two rotors doing this invited clang

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

There are a few rotor part firing weapons I've seen on the workshop, my favourite would be the main cannon on Bruce LeedleLeedleLeedleLee's tank steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1184982190 It might have been the inspiration for me to think of other ways to fire projectiles without using thrusters :)

@mariothegreat4197 6 лет назад

can you try to undo the Torque box to see if the overided thruster will turn. and also if you ad more blocks to you rotating speed breaker you will go faster

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

From what a few people posted it seems as though there are some bugs with the way the rotors are interpreting force. If the rotor is on and has 0 torque it behaves differently to if it's off and has 0 braking torque even though both should behave identically and freely spin. That's why I hadn't tried it at the time :( To get the rotor to spin with the thruster apparently you just turn the rotor on and have torque at 0...

@odiethe4th 6 лет назад

Could you use a mass block or something extending the opposite on the rotor stack to counteract the wobble with a counterweight.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Yep you definitely could, and almost certainly should - I was a complete dope and forgot to do that though :P

@Hayatinsanazor 6 лет назад

Please make a video about how to program them at control panel

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I'm in the process of making a piston elevator tutorial which should cover most of what you''d be interested in knowing. Hopefully it'll be out in the next week or two :)

@64_Tesseract 6 лет назад

You know that bomb launcher thing at 13:26? I actually made my own version! It uses 3 Timer Blocks and a Programmable Block, it's automatic but not survival friendly... Nevertheless, it's really fast, you can download it at steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1238180158 . I didn't add more than 1 rotor, but it lobs bombs about 300 meters. To turn it on, just turn on the rotor, it throws bombs in the same direction as the arrow/platform at the top of the tower. I really hope you see this comment... :P

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I'll make sure I have a look at it when I'm on my next days off from work I might even be tempted to 'borrow' a few ideas from it ;)

@64_Tesseract 6 лет назад

:D I can't wait to watch your next video! You're such an awesome guy...

@johncasey9544 3 года назад

Doubt anyone's still here, but if instead of a thruster you use an artificial mass with a gravity generator, the thruster on rotor arm works perfectly.

@crashthewagon 6 лет назад

So do a rotor stack, and stick a bunch of wing parts on it, and make a working clangcopter?

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I might have tried to do this before the update - it did not work at all :p I really need to try again ;)

@Andoxico 6 лет назад

The rotor with a thruster worked fine for me. I uploaded the world to the workshop steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1227476077

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It seems to be something odd with the behaviour around the rotor being on or off. In theory on with torque at 0 should behave the same as off with braking torque at 0, but that's not the case. Unfortunately this is something I've only learned since making the video :P I think that's why yours and a few others have worked where I failed... :/

@Andoxico 6 лет назад

Well it's all messed up because I just went to try out some new things and now neither rotor on torque 0 or rotor off braking torque 0 are working for me. I'm just going to chalk this up to SE physics being all sorts of wonky.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

That's very odd, this certainly seems to be one of SE's wonky physics zones :P

@M3A7 6 лет назад

You need to look at rotor stacking displacement launching...... =)

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I really want to use one of those cannons in survival, after playing around with one of Bruce LeedleLeedleLeedleLee's tanks that has that as its cannon - it's cool to have projectiles that are affected by gravity :) steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1184982190

@ThomasCarstein 6 лет назад

Splitsie - testing things in SE, so we don't have to! Thanks :)

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

You're very welcome! :)

@dndhatcher 6 лет назад

One thing I haven't seen anyone test is the difference between ramming a piston into a block on the same grid, a sub-grid and a separate grid. I have seen the big nothing that now happens if you ram a piston into the same grid and I suspect the same thing happens on subgrids, but what about a different grid? Can we still get some destruction?

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It could be interesting to see how much force you need with rotors or pistons in order to break a separate grid. Could be useful to know where the safety margins are. I'll see what I can do to work that out :)

@acanadianderg4035 6 лет назад

I think some of the pistons revert themselves 7:30

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It really does look like that's what happens, when you check the control panel though they all still have exactly the same settings despite that. It's very strange :/

@z6n387 6 лет назад

Have the locks been fixed yet so they actually uno lock your rotors in a instant like good old time? 😂

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

It seems to be pretty close to instant but it's much less bouncy when you have the shared inertia tensor on

@BrianTaylor-AlwaysInTao 5 лет назад

Try going in to control panel and switching the base to ship

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

Recently I worked out part of the problem with the rotor, due to force from thrusters being applied to the center of a grid, you need to have the arm on the rotor as lopsided as possible to get the thruster to push it around, otherwise it's just pushing through the head of the rotor. It is however, somewhat inconsistent in its behaviour :(

@PhillipMcKeen 6 лет назад

Do gyros on subgrids work to provide spinning for unlocked rotors?

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

They used to, but I haven't tested it since the physics update

@crashtestdummy87 4 года назад

well, you've just given me an idea for a ship :D

@macgabhann1108 6 лет назад

We now have a new way to launch a ship into space using pistons and rotors.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

With a speed mod you'd be able to do just that, without it I don't think you'd make it very high... :P

@macgabhann1108 6 лет назад

Exactly what i was thinking

@p3rpl3xity67 5 лет назад

In the past iv built large gravity artillery peaces. But they really only worked on the moon. Cause artificial gravity doesn't work in planet gravity, and in space it only fires the projectile in a strait line. But on the moon, you can adjust the ark and actually perform long range artillery strikes. Furthest (somewhat accurate) shot of thus far made with it was at 10km. with about .3 of a km of spread. But with a group of guns firing at the same time, you could really lay down some fire power. But the guns are kinda hard to use and takes a single person At least 2min to reload, but with a crew of 3 or 5 you could easily do 20-30 second reloads. Its still in the development phase but if I finish it. Id love to show you it. iv also produced many gravity cannons for space warfare that can do immense amounts of damage. As well as many missiles.

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

I really want to do some messing around with grav gens on the moon, for some reason I want to build a gravity based maglev style vehicle. I think it'd be great fun (though totally impractical) :)

@p3rpl3xity67 5 лет назад

@@Splitsie Iv actually tried to build some mag lev vehicles on the moon. Its extremely difficult. I had some vehicle stability problems and the artificial gravity gens, like to cancel each other out. So you quickly run into problems.

@trinalgalaxy5943 6 лет назад

ive seen velocities in excess of 400 m/s if you take a rotor, put a looooooooooooong arm on it, put a stack of pistons on that, extend the pistons, and measure from the flying tip. unfortunately, as soon as the tip is not moving around a rotor, it instantly slows to max speed.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Yeah, that drop to normal physics when you detach is a bummer. Part of me wishes we could use this method to cheat things beyond the normal physics speed limit :P

@JosephHarner 6 лет назад

I thought the thrusters in Space Engineers were incapable of applying torque. It was one of my major gripes with the building system when I last played. You could make as rediculously lopsided arrangement of thrusters you wanted, and it would still fly straight.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Only on your main grid, with the change in the physics in the big physics update, sometimes sub grids can apply torque through thrusters and sometimes they can't, though it seems inconsistent as to when that happens. If I'd thought to turn on the rotor and turn its torque to 0 then it would have worked :P

@Blockinstaller12 5 лет назад

So... if you'll excuse me, I'll build myself a mobile mortar now...

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

It's totally worth messing with this stuff, even if they're not hugely effective, they are loads of fun :)

@solospirit4212 6 лет назад

Wondering how the : explosive skeet launcher: would do in space..distance would be good..accuracy? Probably not so good 😎 A few pirons would now make a fun way to launch a small ship, catapult style..so spacecraft carriers can get more interesting again. Also escape pod launchers..many posibillities. Bring parachutes!

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Oooh escape pod launchers! That would be amazing! :D

@dancoster7332 6 лет назад

5:00 I find I can get this to work when I use a second rotor at the end of the arm, and using gyros to 'turn' it.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I'll have to toy around with using gyros as that sounds like another alternative that might even be more efficient, thanks :)

@collin12134 6 лет назад

You could shoot a small ship into orbit with enough pistons and a few thrusters on the ship good point a didn't think about that

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

You'd need a speed mod for that to work sadly, with the 100m/s speed cap you'd likely save some fuel but not enough for it to be really worth it :(

@lnfotron 6 лет назад

you should put counterweights on your rotor things so it doesnt wobble

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

That is a very good point!

@lnfotron 6 лет назад

we should get together sometime, maybe come up with some crazy contraptions.

@porterdavidson8358 6 лет назад

You can stop the wobble with a counter balance

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Yeah, I really should have done that :P

@williammiller8134 4 года назад

3:30 try counterbalance to see if that works

@BaDdAwG750 5 лет назад

Could you a how to video on how to create a a piston retracted blast door to a hanger

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

I think I might do a couple of different hangar door designs in the tutorial series, using airtight hangar doors, piston mounted blast doors and rotor mounted ones :)

@BaDdAwG750 5 лет назад

I'd like to see one that moves into the ground and looks good when open but closes kinda like the how blast doors would close into cover space ship windows there at a slight angle.

@tohpingtiang4878 5 лет назад

What engineers do for fun... Maybe it's broken when it's jerking around. What about a middle age catapult?

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

I've built a fully functional catapult, trebuchet and ballista in my survival series, so you can definitely build one :)

@mbastos71 5 лет назад

6:15 Now I feel dizzy. Tanks bro.

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

You're welcome ;)

@pedropimenta896 5 лет назад

4:41 maybe if add a gyro on it, or try small ship

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

You can spin things with gyros on override but due to the application of force being at the center of mass, the only way I've been able to get things to spin with thrusters when on the end of rotors is to have the piece on top very lopsided, which still ends up slower than just turning the rotor on :(

@The1Corrupted 6 лет назад

You HAVE to set Torque to 0 for a freely spinning rotor.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

@StyxAnnihilator 6 лет назад

Artillery with pistons, make bombs and launch towards a base ... You can not (yet) have "real" physics in games, since the calculations needed would cause lag. Like each piston/rotor/thrust-er added, need a relative calculation towards all attached elements (easily said); Mass, Gravity, Speed, Inertia, Integrity, Strength, Collision, etc.

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

I really want to try and design some sort of artillery like that, it'd be amazing!

@godofpistolsj5369 2 года назад

I dint have the option share inertia tensor do u no how to fix i just started and have gotten nowhere cos my drill keep braking

@victorfrankenstein8005 5 лет назад

I'm building a rather primitive but I guess decent large ship because it is my first ever large ship project in the game and I'm trying to build a hangar bay and I'm wondering if I should just use a bunch of pistons to push the blast door up and have a ship dock that way or use rotors to open it about 90 degrees straight up

@Splitsie 5 лет назад

For hangar doors on ships I'd try to stick to airtight hangar doors, particularly if you're planning on having the ship enter the gravity well of a planet. The reason for this is that subgrids and the inertial dampeners don't play very nicely with one another. The mass of whatever is on the other end of the rotor or piston will sometimes not be included in the weight calculations for the thrusters to resist so the ship will end up slowly (or sometimes not so slowly) sinking :(

@victorfrankenstein8005 5 лет назад

I'm not trying to go that far yet I'm just trying to make more of like a space only ship as my experience with large prebuilt ships in an atmospheric condition is not exactly great but thanks for the suggestion I just wanted blast doors for the larger space but with the pistons I think I may be able to keep the armor

@SumChange 3 года назад

How do you take control of the terminal remotely like that??

@davidphillips7462 Год назад

I know i'm quite a bit behind as far as timing. I just started playing this again after 3 years of not. didn't realize that pistons were so volatile. I was able to rig up 2 stacks of 10 consecutive pistons in order to create a mobile drilling rig about a week ago with only the usual shake from inertia of the vehicle. I just learned about merging blocks when I created it and only merged the other sets of pistons i used that connected to the 'platform'. i disassembled what i called the drill pistons yesterday and when I started to re-build them today, i got a VERY violent reaction at the 4th piston in the link... No amount of merging was helping. I'm not sure why they worked the other day and suddenly today they started whipping and exploding.... i have been trying to find a way to combat this, but haven't been able to find anything. Do you know if there was ever a solution to my current problem?

@MohammadGl2014 6 лет назад

Dear mr splitsie i wanted to make trailer for my rover and i faced same problem in rotors which they not rotor with additional force other than that you decrease the torque if you decrease it to 0 you can even turn it by character jetpack

@Splitsie 6 лет назад

Before the physics patch the behaviour of rotors was that having a rotor on with torque set to 0 was the same as having a rotor off and having braking torque at 0. When rotors are off the braking torque is meant to be applied, but for some reason that is no longer the case and I stupidly didn't think to try it with the rotor on at the time I recorded :P