Speed Chess Championship 2023 Final | Magnus v Hikaru! GOATs Meet Again 2nd Year In A Row !coinbase 

I wouldn't say top 10 more top 50 or top 100, but he is quicker than most of them at seeing crazy lines. And he is such good commentator overall. A SCC final without Danya isn't the same.

And Aman I'd say is his equal. He's not so fast at understanding exactly what the players are thinking but he's exceptional at breaking down very positional amd strategic concepts to weaker players. Weaker players of course being almost everybody watching the final. He's also just hilarious.

@@CuddyaPol Hmm you're absolutely right, good correction. When I said top 10 I was thinking in terms of 1+0, not SCC format where he would be much much lower (though of course still great). But the reason he's probably so good at 1+0 is he's like like lightning at spotting tactics and short term plans, so he catches stuff and decisions I would have 0 chance of figuring out without engine analysis and explaining practical decisions. It also means when he sees the 'right' move he might not have played he can understand the goal behind it almost immediately, like being given the first move in a puzzle. It's so much better than watching people primarily react to an eval bar and read continuations off the engine. This also helps understand what is a blunder and what isn't (-2.5 for a punishment that is nearly impossible to find in the time format is close to meaningless, and tons of theoretical draws fall apart with +1 increment). And he doesn't just catch these things, he has a really good way of presenting that info concisely, but simply enough for bad players like me.

@@user-svqmbiv I love Aman's personality. I think it's hard to get as much out edge wise when Danya is always pointing out continuations and such, but I always like what Aman adds. Just in terms of SCC format the ability to tackle the positional and strategic overview in anything besides pretty general terms kinda gets lost especially whenever players live on increment. I definitely appreciate his commentary though, that's why I mentioned the duo.

considering that hikaru has said danya is one of the fastest tacticians in the world and best blitz players, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say he is in fact top 10 and your assessment and opinion is absolutely worthless.@@CuddyaPol

Their chemistry is really amazing. I specially love how Aman enjoy the lines and sequences thrown by Danya, half learning, half in awe.

Yeah Danya in the best chess commentator in the world imo…

Yep best duo by far!

nah just missed the win in the final game. the time he milked wouldnt have been enough if he lost that game anyway

It is a bad strategy to waste time in early segments because the score can change. As happened here. If you are up in the last segment with just just some games to come then it is good to waste time.

@@romanmueller3479 No. Even though scores change often, you're more likely to win the overall match at any point where you're also in the lead, meaning that as a percentage chance to win the match, you'd do best literally milking the shit out of every single game as long as you're in the lead, from the first game to the last. That being said, it would look kind of silly, but gamesmanship wise, it would obviously be the better choice.

Not really, the last game was definitely lost actually, so even with extra game Hikaru would lost at least a point. It’s just bad blunders otb rather than strategical blunder

​@@kluxszoh he just missed the win did he??? whatever keeps you sane brah 😂

the chess community in general is just fine. A couple of bad apples just ruin the bunch. It's just adolescent boys in puberty for the most part, they deserve a break as well from time to time :)

“boys will be boys” is a terrible, enabling attitude. old enough to act better is more like it.

@@queencool710 what did these boys do that was so bad? It might be worth finding out who I'm sticking my head out for 😅

This is just the culture on the internet it’s not just the chess community RU-vid live chat in general is a cesspool of hate comments it just comes with being the best and having eyes on you

I think I was one of them. Anyways, Hikaru is trash cuz Magnus is the GOAT

​​@@gerryteiglandeide9902what are you talking about ? In 2017 and 2018 magnus crushed hikaru in SCC with great gaps , magnus wasnt in his day today , if he was in the form of Wesley's match , he would beat Hikaru with a bigger gab (Hikaru is still the 2nd best player after magnus tho , and a great player , but magnus is just better )

Real life and online is different setup mouse speed skills, still scores of crushing 20 to 8 if overboard

@@felopateer-n9y Highly doubt that brother. The same could also be said about hikaru too

hikaru was in his best form today , thats the best match he played this year i would say. but magnus wasnt really in his form , he blundered alot , watch magnus vs hikaru on the board in grand tournments and you would know what i mean , magnus just has the advantage the who game and he usually beat him 2-0 just like everyone else , even in bullet on the board , magnus is on another level@@lhorddrake5602

@@lhorddrake5602 I don't think Hikaru ever crushed Magnus with big gaps in speed formats. I think Magnus is pretty spot on with the assessment. He feels on a good day he outclasses Hikaru in SCC (based on Blitz world championships and how badly he's gapped other top players in the last two SCCs this seems likely). He also felt Hikaru completely outclassed him in the 1+0 bullet tournament recently and Magnus was nothing but complimentary to Hikaru there basically saying Hikaru was just exceptionally better at the format. Both the bullet championship and today's SCC ended with just a margin of 1 win, but Magnus obviously feels neither result tells the real story. He thinks he underperformed in SCC and was lucky to lose by just one in 1+0. From what I've seen this feels like a pretty fair assessment

Shrewd assessment.

Bobby Fischer was already same level or close in blitz games imagine if today

No, he wasn't. Magnus or Hikaru would beat him comfortably.

@@phoenix007ism nah not comfortably

@@phoenix007ism and more than 3200 if studied stockfish

He sure seemed happier when he lost the bullet championship against Naka and even complimented him a lot stating he is much better at bullet than he is (without increment ofc, with increment they're both on par with each other)

@@Sam-pt3qt I think he felt he did well in 1+0 and despite that was still lucky to only lose by 1. Given how many games Hikaru had the advantage which became draws (or which Hikaru drew) I understand why Magnus would feel outclassed despite losing by just 1 point. By contrast in SCC Carlsen held wider gaps over other players and seemed to catch absolutely everything vs Wesley specifically. He has a really dominant decade of experience in World Blitz tournaments so I think he feels he should win SCC handedly and is disappointed to not do so with a solid lead. So for him he felt he overperformed in 1+0 and underperformed SCC. That's what is determining how happy he is with the result.

When?

@t45tt4tr Looks like I didn’t understand the clocks. I thought when the main clock ended the game ended. But I was wrong. They just don’t play another game. 4:19:09 is what I was referring to but I was wrong. I just checked, their individual clocks were still running. So they could have continued to play if they wanted to but Magnus offered a draw right after the main clock went to zero since he was going to win in a couple moves.

Wesley used his experience and needed some luck to win against Alireza. Magnus vs firouzja would have been more interesting than the Wesley vs Magnus.

If you really play chess you'll know what he is talking about. Even just in unrated online games you can sense it.

@@iamh95 well I don't play that much thats why im asking...

@@jjmmat133I think it’s because Magnus lost some drawn endgames which you normally wouldn’t see if he’s in best shape

Dude it’s harmless banter, who honestly cares. Watch the game, not the chat…

@@mattyb808 Or watch after the broadcast like me and avoid seeing any of it

​@@mattyb808why tf r u reading youtube chat then? 😂

You're nothing compared to 99% of chess players

​@@Krullfathcry. i love the salty milkaru fanboy tears 😢😢😢😂

@@Teo-uw7mh Magnus literally milked when he was up and has used the same strategy in other competitions, they've shown respect in every matchup so I don't understand this comment. If hikaru had won, there would be people bashing him too. It seems ur the fanboy here. Respect both.

i'll give you a like for the effort even thonim cringing

@@alicesweetbread244 Did Magnus milk clock? I haven't seen that, but I'm curious. Any link?

I think SCC results actually point out why there are no Morphy's are Fischer's now. Engine prep is so advance that it's hard for Magnus to push for reasonably safe wins even vs dramatically lower elo players in classical. SCC and other fast formats force decisive results and remove a lot of the value of engine prep. When you do this you go from candidate results where anyone could be on top (yes it's the same ~10 players securing candidates spots, but with far more variance) to an extremely consistent result of Carlsen/Naka and then Ali/MVL/Wesley with way more decisive games and match scores. I'd love for classical chess to move to 960 because I think long format chess would lead to consistently better results for the strongest players as it immensely devalues opening prep. The problem with 960 attempts so far is they are closer to rapid than classical, which is a mistake when 960 requires the most calculation of any format.

Toughest? Lmao

Are you joking, magnus saw the mate when he sac the rooks and hikaru was the one who offered a draw only to show that he lost the match by a single point.

Absolute L hiki simp 😂, Noob that was a mate in 11 position, Where Magsey shoved 6 best moves and finally when Hiki plead for a draw, Magnus accepted the draw. Don't do drugs😂

What an fidiot 😂

Yeah people don't understand how bad it is to be the best in something, its easy to be humble when you're the 2nd or 3rd best. Because if you don't win, its ok you were close, it was against the best, you're getting there and you can still get there one day. But when you're the best, there's only one place to go and its down... so of course he feels like he lost because it was a close match, and for him to actually be the best he needs to destroy his opponents. But people don't understand it.

but magnus is not on the best shape ?

Yes

Magnus himself has said hikaru is his only rival, stop sucking his d for him

Probably trying to counterbalance the Magnus favouritism everyone has, he’s also a good chess player appreciating good chess moves

only in speed chess....

3 - 1

other players also beat magnus once in a while. what you talking about.

@@mghtutookhaung5449 in this tournament no.

Agree, but In 20 years we will have much bigger problems to deal with: TRUST ME

No

He was great. He and Naroditsky have superb chemistry.

​@@elonif4125absolutely. I dont like giving absolutes or superlatives or extremes, but anyone who says this wasnt great doesnt like to habe fun in life. But one thing ill say is that one person has to be constant in every single commentators booth till the end of time, and thats danya

Nah, in real life Magnus dominated Hikaru, online Magnus is getting more and more used to mouse he played a lot less chess than Hikaru online and maybe overall technically

i agree and now we can certainly expect him for the next scc

Your username is cringe, seems like you’re a simp for more than just magnus

@TrumpForPrison2023 also a biden simp? 🤣 Magnus is the GOAT and has crushed it this year.

@@raymondsublett3108 lmao. Trump going to jail buddy.

How this turned to politics is beyond me...

point*

should have been 2 points. I dont know why magnus offer draw in the last game there after what he's been through to win this tour

​@@gerryteiglandeide9902 So dumb. There is obvious mate in X for that position, he (magnus) eats that kind of puzzle/tactic for breakfast, also in case you 1,4k elo are not aware, 10 sec is a lot for them. He obviously sees it. Magnus's reaction is my reaction reading your reply : 4:19:30

​@@ee-vk7ishe did that because last time magnus lost with one point so he wanted to win with one

​@gerryteiglandeide9902 its literally mate in 1 you halfwit. He isnt gonna mouseslip shit

I was literally thinking how bad chess commentators are. I would love some of whatever you are smoking

​@@therealgoatcheese1 You seem to be alone with this opinion, maybe you're the one inhaling something i.e. your neighbors smoke? 😂

@@Siatkowkarzadzi not alone with the opinion kiddo it's well known how much of a laugh the commentators are in the professional chess community, you doxed yourself ;)

@@therealgoatcheese1 Well then I agree there should be a "raw game" stream for pros. Nevertheless, commentary is for the 99,9% of (amateur) viewers who can therefore follow the game to some extent. So you're quite "alone" in this scale 😛 And I don't see why Danya or Hess would be laughed at. Are they, and if so - why?

​@@Siatkowkarzadzi they are not, he's trolling. Danya and Aman are amazing commentators

LMAO thats hilarious I didn't notice that.

Felt like a freudian slip from Danya, maybe?

@@mattyb808 he obviously just misspoke.

i kept replaying that part and could not stop laughing. hilarious. i’m curious if Danya meant to say “unfortunately” or he was deadpan trolling Hikaru lol

I sure hope so lol. You think he would have caught him self and apologized on air that he misspoke. Danya is very calculated and well spoken in what he says online…

So you are a big fan who then ?

​@@Lol-qy1dyprobably neimann

@@noobguy4376 whose that?? Is he 2700+ GM ?

​@@Lol-qy1dyhis buttplug guy

​@@Lol-qy1dyno 3000+ GM

I really doubted Magnus for that stretch. Hikaru is insanely good, the momentum was all his, and anybody can have a bad match.

I saw just as many magnus fanatics throughout it too, insulting Hikaru for playing time. Clearly, you have a biased opinion. Try in the future to look at both perspectives, where both players have fanatical fans.

Both fandoms have shit fans. It's intrinsic to all sports. People don't like seeing their team/player losing so instead of enjoying greatness they belittle amazing competition.

@@zachburkett6973 I couldn't agree more, both players have some fanatic fans. let them throw shit at each other. And let the adults talk real chess.

@@zachburkett6973 I take issue with the time thing but not with any misguided notion of chivalry or whatever. Hikaru is doing what he needs to do to win and that’s totally legit, but I wish it didn’t deny us more games that we could have seen. With that said, you’ll never hear me insult naka over that. He’s an all-time great and a class act to boot, and the time thing does increase his chances of winning. It just has that unfortunate side effect, which I don’t love.

For online speed chess event actually. For OTB classical, rapid, Blitz it's always magnus. Only 3+1, 1+1 probably Hikaru is better or even.

​@@redeyexxx1841Magnus is better in Blitz, in bullet is 50-50

How are you gonna have a #1 if you don’t have #2?

@@Bobo-Vieri I mean I'm just talking about this online 3+1 just because Hikaru played 1000's of titled Tuesday. I actually think it's even. In OTB Blitz it's Magnus definitely.

@@redeyexxx1841Magnus is better at 3+1