@@sabithraine9714 if it is set up right there is no problem I am 73 I can ride from Colorado springs to Chicago straight through you have to have the right seat and the handle bars at the proper height no ape hangers I have riden over a million miles in just over 50 years FJB
@@leewarry8641 It's not a matter of the wiring. It's a matter of all the computer sensors that malfunction. I have had plenty of vehicles that have never had the wiring messed with, but they still have sensors that go bad and cause the motor to run poorly or just plain shut down.
Yeah computers don’t do things wrong. Programmers do. Also the sensors argument is extremely valid as well as people that try to rewire things or bypass things. You just don’t know all the ‘other’ things that depend on that data point too. KISS is what works (keep it simple stupid). The need for emissions/fuel economy is the bane of all the computer and sensor needs. Pretty sure you would appreciate the computer more when you’re on a carburetor bike and it starts running rough because of elevation, and a host of other things that just do things for you that you don’t realize until, it doesn’t work. It made things work for you automatically 3,546,916 times but now that the sensor is bad the bike won’t start. It only takes 1 time and now it’s the computers fault lol
The Harley chassis can't handle the speed a Harley has. My 2014 Ultra handled like a bucket of slop at highway speeds. I couldn't get rid of that bike fast enough.
Well stated. I've never seen a Harley run over 100 MPH on level ground. If they hit a slight curve at that speed, they wallow like a hippo. Scary handling.
My 22 Road King is governed to 106. Interesting how many people think it’s crazy to go 100. They must have never rode on long flat sections of highway…
My 2001 Suzuki is speed limited to 186mph 😄 Pretty sad that Harley are beta testing new aerodynamics on its customers rather than in the wind tunnel before sale but such good looking new baggers
Heard rumors my 2020 Yamaha Tracer is factory limited to 134 mph. Many companies making money reprogramming chips to eliminate that. Mine's used, so I don't know if it is or not, but I don't have reason to care unless I someday take it to Germany or pay for a track day.
@@wwb7091I have a 2011. That big Connie with bags and gear strapped to it is probably not cutting through the air as ideally as we would like. While I like to think my bike is capable of really high speeds, I would never go that fast.
Speed limiters on vehicles are commonly used to limit speed rating of the stock tires. If you take it out to see how fast your bike will go you may just find out how fast it will go until the tires fail and you crash at high speed.
I ride a lot with a group across the Southwestern US, and there are times when we need to “get on it.” Passing slower moving vehicles on endless two-lane highways, for example, is much easier/safer when you have the ability to jump out and really go. I won’t say how fast maneuvers like this have gotten me and my fellow riders, but I will say that a limiter at 100 mph would be a problem. It’s especially troubling because the guys behind me would be riding up my backside if I were limited like that. Everyone would need to “recalibrate” for a rider that couldn’t keep up with the flow. I understand the aftermarket offers solutions; however, here we go again with big bucks for a bike that requires even more bucks to get what you thought you were already paying for.
True! I wanted to get around two big trucks on a two lane road. So I dropped down two gears and quickly got by them both. The driver in the lead truck might have enjoyed the sound of my bike, now in fifth gear, with over 10,000 rpm on the tachometer. But he probably would enjoyed the awesome thunder of a group of HD motorcycles even more. 100 mph is too low a limit. 100 mph is really not that fast.
@@petedavidsen1760 I ride a no windshield no fairing Kawasaki Z900. 70 mph is comfortable for long stretches. If I go faster, I find myself facing more wind than I like, after a while. So, the power of that bike is enjoyable for quick acceleration in any gear.
I have a 2015 Sreetglide Special. Was doing 110 in Montana and tried to set my cruise control, nothing happened Got to my motel and read the owners manual and it said cruise will not work over 93 mph. At least it wasnt broke and still worke fine to this day. Guess the layers singened off after 93!
I don't have these issues. And never will. I ride a 76 carburated Fl Those ECMs are also having problems leaving people stranded with a no start issue on the 2024 because they need to be reflashed. Technology is not always a better thing, but it always is more pain in the ass and gives you more problems.
How about the first year H-D electronic ignition was released (1978) of which I bought then new FLH, it was in the shop 4 times for timing issues, cranking issues, rpm issues, mph issues. H-D is not to smart when it comes to technology that's been proven, hence the inception of the V-Rod. As a mechanic I had enough and I did finally correct H-D's fault with the electronic ignition where the dealership could not and the shop foreman (after showing and telling him about the fix) just walked away from me like I didn't exist...funny and sad
I was close to getting a 2023 Street Glide CVO until I read about the new governor. It probably wouldn't effect my riding, but I decided not to get one. It just doesn't sit right right with me. I'm now planning on getting the new CV0 st.
Points, condensers and CV40s may not be the be-all to end-all, but there are some advantages... says he who hasn't had a new bike since 1969 (one and only...)
Thanks for the heads up. I have a 2021 Street Glide Special and I would be sad if my bike was limited to 100 mph and I'm grateful that it is not.. I enjoy riding my bike over 100 mph when I'm not on a public road 🛣️.. Be safe and Ride Hard ✊🏽
I’ve heard the fairing issue was behind it also. 100 is pretty extreme. Like you said most people will never do that speed atleast not for long. People won’t appreciate losing control at 120 because the bike became unstable.
Good call on HD to implement the "governor"... there are new gen owners out there using incorrect tyre pressures and not maintaining thier bikes appropriately and blaming the end product for "flaws" and the same guys who complain of the death wobble at 120mph in turns with over inflated tires.
The cvo has a stability problem, the recall added a led weight on a strap to try and help. The root of the problem is aerodynamic. The new faring needs some wind tunnel work. Even my 2016 seemed to feel light on the front over 90. But a klock werks screen seemed to steady it greatly
There's also a limiter per each gear that forces you to shift up if you want to continue accelerating, even before reaching redline and without an auto blipper for your up shift you will lose momentum as you shift up.
On Oklahoma interstates, 100 mph can get you ran over sometimes. I don’t want ANY speed gov on my expensive Harley! I have a 21 FXLRS and have not been past 110 but I bet there’s a limit on it too. I really need to just get a stage 2 done and bypass all the Harley bs with a real tuner!
Thanks for that update, Harley should’ve held back on releasing those new bikes until they solved that problem, those vibrations probably are from weak motor mounts at that speed.
All the bike brands have rider interference software in them. Everything from throttle control to fuel cut upon deceleration to gear specific fuel mapping. I have a 2018 Yamaha Star Venture and it had all that before I gave it the "Ivan's Flash" treatment. Best $300 I ever spent.
BMW have also had a speed limiter on some of their 6-cyclinder bikes, namely the K1600B and K1600 Grand America for some time. I think the GA has a 100mph speed limit. The one thing H-D and BMW have no absolutely no control over is the amount of load folk put on their bikes - and many do overload their touring bikes. If the manufacturers believe that an over-loaded, two-up machine run at maximum speed in gusty conditions is likely to become unstable then they may choose to put a limiter on it. Some manufacturers will be more conservative than others. Over here in the UK, if you remove the speed limiter without declaring it as a performance modification, then you would not be insured in the event of an accident (if anybody found out ,of course). Very many manufacturers of non-limited bikes supply their luggage with ADVISORY speed limits to be observed when mounted - maybe a topcase or maybe saddlebags.
2009 Street Glide and its going strong. I might hit 100 when passing a car and trailer but usually keep it under 90. Now what troubles me about this nonsense by HD is they put bigger and bigger engines on the frame and limit it. Excuse me WT HELL is that. You think I'm going to drop 30k plus and have a limit......nope. They are losing customers at a fast rate. I dont see many young riders on the HDs here in N. AZ. See alot of mid life crisis guys buying the new ones. I've been riding for 50 years and I'm thinking of going back to BMW, lighter, faster and a bigger gas tank......I hate to stop....it kills my mojo (zen) Stay safe out there! Shiney side up.
My SG has aftermarket suspension and still feels pretty unstable at 95-100. If I wanted to go faster than that, a Hayabusa would be my choice. When I was a younger man I liked Ninjas. At 50, I can only enjoy a bike like that for 20 minutes or so due to the riding posture. I guess I'm over it.
I don't have a problem I sold my Fat Bob 103 and am still riding my 1985 Evo with Points no computer and easy to kick , we have done over 280,000 kl together ( 2 rebuilds ) and Modern day Harley can stick it self where the sun don't shine .
That would be disappointing. I agree with you. This is Harley setting the limit per lawyers. Then if a rider messes with the speed limiter Harley can blame the rider for modifying the bike.
Insurance companies pushed for this also. They want limiters on big rigs and. I'd bet they'll push for every vehicle after a certain date to have limiters. Ins companies are pushing hard for driver monitoring for tired or impaired drivers. Most likely using facial recognition analyzing cabin air samples and if either system is detected the system will take you off the road and most likely 911. I'm thinking Ford or Chevy already has a version of this installed on some models. Your a designated driver and taking 3 drunks home after the bars close at 3am and next thing your car comes to a stop off the road followed by a pair of red n blue lights. Or you got some trash in your eye at work and now its irritated, blood shot and watering. Technology is good but its the answer for everything
If im not mistaken, the new Honda REBEL 1100, which has the 1100 parallel twin, is limited to 99mph. To get faster you need to flash the bike. That 1100 can easily get over 120mph. Not sure why Honda did this.
Manufacturers limiting vehicle speed is not uncommon. Including Corvettes. They limit the vehicle's speed to the tire speed rating. This is according to a Chevy dealer I spoke with in Utah years ago. Made sense when he told me what my Monte Carlo SS topped out at, and I had previously experienced on the Bonneville Salt Flats. I was curious what the top speed was. He said I could have just asked. 😂🤣
most tires are rated to 100 or above except the cheepos, they are around 85. The high end tires speed ratings are around 165. Surprisingly even with technology that is about the limit tires can handle with few exceptions. The limit on your monte as with other similar G body's like the Regal aka Grand national, ect are at 124mph because the nose of the cars have terrible lift issues and they skid off the road because front tires leave the ground. It is brick aerodynamics, nothing to do with tires in your case. It is well known and documented since they were new.
@@gbodygarageturbobuickteam2198 Didn't happen yet! I wouldn't test it for long highway runs. The ECU on your car has obviously been altered and sure there are plenty of others too. Many drag race and obtain speeds well beyond the factory 124mph for the entire quarter mile run. People can do as they wish with their cars but I would think that the GM engineers are a fairly intelligent group of people and probably know what they are taking about. So if you believe you know more than they did keep on testing their design. If I was you and like my car I would have the information in the back of my mind next time you are floating down the highway covering all three lanes in your brick shaped boat at 150mph for fifteen or twenty minutes. Please believe that the issue is real and exist on all the cars. Yours is not special and did not leave the factory exempt from the inherent design flaw.
I got a speed limit in my brain at 80 on the interstates around here in Kentucky and Tennessee, and 60 on the state highways, no problem with law enforcement. I am sure this 04 Harley with a 117 will run faster. Maybe someday I'll get it on a track and put it to the test. Being 83 I have been there and done that, RIDE SAFE.
Harley Touring Bikes have been limited to 105 MPH for the last 10 years ,if you manipulate your ECM with a tuner be it a external or a download then your bike will no longer be restricted ,keep in mind you bought a touring bike it has not been designed for warp speed but if thats something you choose to do then have fun while doing it and be careful
Sport bikes have had speed limiters since about the year 2000. My 2002 Suzuki GSXR 600 was speed limited to 156 mph. My 2003 Suzuki GSXR 1000 was speed limited to a mere 186 mph. No Harley is capable of speeds high enough to require a limiter. Speed limiters came into existence when a 1999 Suzuki Hyabusa 1300 cc bike in showroom stock configuration was clocked by a motorcycle magazine at something near 200 mph. That’s when they limited us to a 186 mph in the interest of keeping us safe, LOL!
I ride a new Fat Bob 114, and also a 2007 Ural with a sidecar with no ECU. With no headwind the Ural might do 62 mph with both windshields up when running well. My FB feels like a screamer after that.
Wow why does a Harley Davidson even need to go 120 mph, the old ones will only go 95 Cop cars still go faster than 120, and you still won’t be able to outrun a cop, plus you don’t even have a steering stabilizer to control the steering
Not a fan of the nanny state. Get a tuner and remove the limiter if it bugs you. Personally, I don’t give a shit. Fastest I’ve been is 91-92, no plans to go any faster. Honestly, you shouldn’t be going 100 anyway unless it’s a wide open highway in the middle of nowhere with a mile visibility ahead of you. Your speed bug isn’t more important than someone else’s life.
I took my 2017 Heritage to see what it would do. It shut off at 110. I took my 2018 Street Glide to see what it would do. It shut off at 110. I haven't taken my 2022 Road Glide Limited to see what it would do. I did, however, catch my friend on his Commemorative 2022 TriGlide at 100. He was pissed, because that was all it would do.
Harleys are baggers suspension, wheels. Brakes, and weight distribution is set for a soft ride. Not comparable to some other bikes. I had a 2000 zx12 it was unrestricted. I went over 200mph. At this speed Steering becomes difficult. The wind will knock you over.
Manufacturers typically limit top speed to the speed rating of the tires. Ancient bias technology tires don't cope well with heat, but they are cheap and good for heavy loads, so still HD uses them. The reduced CVO SG speed is due to aerodynamic issues. HD also added a weight to the front. It was the cheapest Mickey Mouse fix HD could come up with, so that's why they did it.
What’s to stop them from putting the speed limiter at 80? No one needs to go over 80! It’s just like the minimum wage. Government bureaucrats with nothing to justify their jobs, sitting around in cubicles making policies that affect everyone’s lives.
Sounds like the best cure for all of it would be a stand alone ECU. No factory limiters and if you stay basically stock on the tune, your emissions are still normal.
I had a 2001 883 that I bought a used mainly for getting around in a few of the big cities in my area because of it's ability to cut in and out of traffic. I also had at the time a 2004 FLSTS with 16 inche ape hangers that was my main ride. I was a Chapter Vice Prez of a Nationally know MC. I had business to take care of in a large city and was on my way back to the small town I live in with a wide open stretch of interstate (50miles) between the two places. I was RIDING DIRTY and anyone in the MC world knows that a 3 piece patch on your back and contraband in your pocket equals RECO charges at a minimum of 25yrs. I didn't know that H-D had factory Rev limiters on these newer bikes so within a mile of getting on the interstate heading back home I saw State troopers with blue lights on inviting me to stop and chat with them I decided to play hard to get. I downshift to 4TH and the party starts. I got a great lead weaving in and out of interstate traffic and pegged the needle all the way back to 0mph . Within about 3 to 4 miles pegged out and having about the same distance distance between me and my dance partners my motor shuts off so I grabbed a hand full of clutch down shift to 4TH and Pop the clutch. In less than a second my rear piston doesn't want to be a part of the shenanigans anymore and exits it home inside of the rear jug, slapping me in the thigh and bounced. Thank God for the last two days of rain and the muddy ditch on the north side of the West bound lane. About 30 seconds later laying in the soft Mudd l hear my dance partner flying past my position and continuing on for miles. I rebuilt her into a faster 1200 version of her former Self and that's how I found out about the factory installed Rev Limiters. LoL. Thank God for small favors.
I felt comfortable at 100+ mph on my early Shovelhead FLH with the solid engine mounts and without a fairing or windshield. Now on my rubber mounted FLHTC with the bat wing fairing it feels unstable above 100. I'm not sure if the problem is the rubber engine mounts or the fairing. But I'm not racing so staying below 100 mph is okay with me.
I have a 2016 Road Glide Ultra Limited CVO with a 117. The fastest I've had it was 137 before I had to let off the gas. I believe it would of hit 140 but not much further because it was climbing pritty slow after 135. Only did it once, only time I come close to 100+ is maybe passing.
I have a 2019 CVO Street Glide that had the cruise set limit at around 95ish or maybe a bit more. After my tuner was added along with stage 1 mods, I can set the cruise at wherever Im riding at!! 100, 115, 130🤷🤷 but it never had a top speed limit that I was aware of
I’ve got a 2000 Victory Sport cruiser , Stage 4 , all machine work , 2003 complete transmission , 13.2 to 1 compression , original spun to 5450 rpm’s , about 115 mph , now it spins to 6450 , 112 hp , 118 ftlbs of torque , I’m guessing about 125 mph now , maybe 130 , but does it Pull , wish it had a 6 speed !
I replaced the whole Harley dash unit with an aftermarket one.Will that eliminate any speed limiter Harley puts on? Also have you looked into where you link your cell to the bike it records all info off your cell Contacts , texts , and any other information your cell has so Harley can sell it to private parties? Cars also do that.
The dash unit has nothing to do with the ECM. As far as your data downloads that’s not Harley that’s the manufacturer of the unit. There’s laws on the books about use of that data. If you’re suspicious of data usage you don’t have to download that information. Ride safe my friend
@@RoadRushNationlook it up.I did.The courts in Washington State said that manufacturers own the software and can collect data legally.I read all about it.
To all these back-yard engineers that plan on removing the speed limiter. It was installed by Harley because of an aerodynamics instability created by the new fairing design. Are you planning on changing the fairing too? 🤣 So sure, you can remove or reprogram the ECU, but the bike may try to kill you above 100mph! By the way, BMW did the exact same thing for the exact same reason with the K1600 Grand America...160 hp and only 100 mph!
A similar effect happened after I added aftermarket saddlebags to my Triumph Bonneville SE 2009 model. Before adding the bags there was no aerodynamic stability issue at Motorway Legal Speed Limits, or up to bursts of 140 kph. After adding the saddlebags, and empty of contents, the bike did not feel "planted" on the road, starting at 100kph, and becoming increasingly unstable and unnerving as speed increased above 100 kph on Motorways. Motorways here on the east coast of Australia seem to have their own micro climate which I notice affects the handling of some motorbikes, and some lighter cars. However, on "A" Class, and "B" Class roads, I don't experience these aerodynamic effects at speeds above 100 kph.
my 84 honda has a speed limiter. 10,000 rpm in 6th gear about 127 or so mph.without a tailwind, thats its limit.but on that bike, its over my bravery limit to do it again.i have a dislike of being swept up into a pile of parts with a broom.
I have a 99 FXDWG which I have had just over 100mph and I have a 2007 Ultra which has also been over 100mph. The Dyna wasn’t so stable at that speed especially since it has the skinny front 21” wheel. IMHO … it is not made for those type of speeds and I usually ride in the 50 to 60 mph speed. The Ultra rides nice but I keep it under 100mph here in New England and maybe if I lived out in the vast areas out West it would be more enjoyable.
The new street glides with the 117 are not stable over a 100, The old ones weren't stable either, but not as bad with the smaller motor... Grab a road glide
What if you are on a western trip by yourself and a pick-up load of drunks decides to chase you while throwing beer bottles at you? You do 100 and they are staying up, then 120 and still on your ass, finally you do 140 and loose them! This story was told to me by a fellow who takes an old Goldwing out west every year.
100 MPH ? I’m still in third gear and have 3 more to go !! Spend that kind of money and have restrictions no thanks ! HD stands for Huge Disappointment !!
@@carlosspicyweiner7865 they tell me 2024, how about you? Are you living in a time when HD builds a better bike than the Japanese? Because I sure don't see it.
Reason the limiters are on the bikes is due to the chassis inability to handle that speed. In OEM form, the weight, brakes and suspension just can't keep up with the performance of the engine.
I can see where worn cleave blocks and front rubber engine mount on a FL Harley may induce a wobble at higher speeds. I also question the aerodynamic properties of the batwing fairing at speeds above 100 mph.
I’m inclined to agree. I have a 2007 Electra Glide Classic and it can be a little wayward. Really don’t fancy 100+mph, especially on a long bend, not sure I’d get away with that if the surface was suspect.
I just purchased a 2019 street glide and I was going down the road barely doing 30 and the little speed limiter light came on. I had no clue what it was and it took some diligent searching just to find out what it was. Idk why it came on. I turned the bike off for a minute and then turned it back on and it never came back on. Also my Reserve "R" was also on. Weird. I thought I needed gas but my gas hand was at half so it was a complete mystery. I was charging my phone through the "cigarette" lighter outlet while the bike was off for about 20 minutes while playing the radio. Idk if this had something to do with it or not.
I heard about this last week and have been searching to find which would be the best tuner to illiminate the limiter? Do you have any suggestions? I have a 24 RG. I see the V& H FP4 would do it, but there are so many bad comments in the good reviews if you know what I mean. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
You are correct there are many aftermarket tuners that will do the job. The V&H FP4 is a good option. Be cautious of those negative comments. Read between the lines. Negative isn’t always accurate. Ride safe my friend
All new vehicles must have a speed limiter installed to comply with European Union regulations. No jurisdictions as yet have required it to be set to any speed. The manufacturers of course might want to set a speed limit for "safety" reasons. I don't know if any of this is really true. If not, I stand corrected.
FL chassis death wobble is why, especially on RGs anywhere or SGs in a bad enough crosswind. I would never trust the suspension or brakes on a stock Harley at triple digit speed as it is.
