Speedsters DON'T Lose to Bad Writing?? - Youtube Comments Try to Defend Bad Speedster Writing 

metro man is the perfect example of a well written speedster and op character, he was literally untouchable and he only "lost" because he wanted to lose.

I think it’s important to note that if a person has super speed they automatically have super strength, whether traditionally or not. A speedster may not be especially strong, but if they can hit someone at a few times the speed of sound that means their fist is travelling at thousands of kilometres per hour, that’s a lot of power no matter how strong they are.

I think speedsters failing work if their flaws are shown beforehand (a trains health issues, newer flash being clumsy or overconfident, the speed either being on a time limit or not overwhelmingly fast ect) great video!

Damn….you know I’m starting understand why writers downplay speedstars it would be pretty hard trying to remember how fast your character has to be and try not to make your speedsters TO op

I think you can have your "time in a bottle" moments, but two prerequisites are necessary to ensure consistency. First, super speed should only be an active ability that requires concentration and energy. Second, achieving the speed that slows down time or even reverses time should be at the upper limits of superspeed, requiring even more concentration and energy.

I love how Wakfu implemented super speed into Nox. He can literally just manipulate time, for himself and his surroundings- including his opponents, though some are able to resist the latter such as the dragon. It also has a finite resource to draw from which he is fighting in order to steal, so he has a motivation to not waste a ton of it in combat just to ensure instant victory against most opponents.

4:53 Even if he has faster reaction time, it doesn’t matter if he lacks the speed to match it

Speedsters shouldn’t lose at any point of time, but when you have speed equipped in your arsenal, you have some type of chance to counter and have those abilities in some sort of way.

if you move faster than even mach 1, you gotta have super durability, super senses, super reaction, and probably a power to control air (most scenes don't show a wake of destruction or flaming air as a speedster passes through) and yes, Dash is probably one of the most well written characters that have "super" speed (although he's pretty slow tbf)

The biggest problems seem to be "style vs function" where stylistic interpretations are preferred over the actual way the power functions. Red Rush stopping after every punch is probably a stylistic decision for the audience and not representative of his actual movements for example.

One realistic weakness to give speedsters might be relativity. According to General relativity, the faster you are moving the faster you perceive the rest of the universe moving. So if a speedster moves too fast then their perception can’t keep up with their speed and they’d be vulnerable to running into obstacles. This would force speedsters to keep their speed in check or risk death.

Guys there were way more good comments than bad comments. So I wanna give you guys all awards for having logic. Thanks

While I agree on the fact that Red Rush was being stupid during the fight with Omni-Man, at least he lost to the most powerful man on the planet, instead a dufus with a gun. Two wins out of three isn't bad. Yeah he's dead now, but he lost to Omni-Man as opposed to some random mugger.

I actually really liked the speedster in mha vigilantes, instead of just giving him an endless 300 mh sprint just give him like 1 second of god mode that needs to recharge, and i think they did great things with that.

AIN'T NO Way SOMEONE SAID MCU QUICKSILVER IS FASTER THAN FOX💀💀💀💀💀

Omni man does use super speed in the show though. He used super speed to go to the dinner table in episode 1, Mark used super speed in episode 2 to hug Nolan, and Omni man used speed react in episode 8 in the subway I think

I also thinks its bad writing when they show a speedster playing a video game or using a computer faster than what it is capable of.

7:15 Superman Also didn’t know what Kryptonite is, He probably saw the Gas but thought it was some Random Bs that wouldn’t work on him I’d like to add that Omni man does have Super speed so his Feats are More Believable. He Perceives Invincible in Slow Motion, Can fly to Orbit in 3 second and Evade Homing missiles

I think a "Time in a bottle scene" could work without making the character extremely broken if it was handle like in Avengers Age of Ultron when they're all fighting in the cargo ship (I think that's what is was) right before the hammer scene, while everything does seem slow and the speedster is moving at what seems a regular speed to us the viewer all of their decisions still seem extremely rushed like if we were watching a bullet travel in slow motion

Question, can't a speedster just react to the stimuli of something like a fist or a bullet touching him and just grab the bullet or get out of the way? Like how the flash did in that one CW episode? Wouldn't that just make them even more broken?

For those who still don’t understand he is not talking about why some one is faster or slower he is just talking about the inconsistencies in writing a speedster. One moment a speedster is able to slow down time to almost halt and other times they get beaten by slower characters. Yes you can say that Omni Man or Apoclypse also have fast reflexes but then they also loose to bad writing because they find it difficult to deal with slower enemies.. like Omni man was able to react to red rush means he has faster or same reaction time as red rush but he finds it difficult to use that reaction time against normal enemies.

one of the best speedsters (in terms of not getting defeated by bad writing) is probably david from edgerunners, his rules are explained pretty well and its shown how OP his ability is and stays OP until smasher is also revealed to have a sandy.

To be honest, I think that Red Rush Made a mistake, his most valuable asset in the fight vs omniman is that he was fast enough to protect the other heroes, something no one else can do. Let the super strong guy handle the punching, All the speedster had to do was make sure that omniman was in punching distance when the strong guy was ready to connect, and make sure his teammates were outside of punching distance when omniman was ready to connect. Had Red Rush focused on playing Defense, (and the rest of the heroes co-ordinated better) there is a possibility they could have beaten omniman

The last comment had me laugh out loud Not even the biggest MCU Quicksilver fan would say that. This guy is 100% satire

my problem with red rush is why was he fighting in the first place??? He’s suppose to protect his team, and when he died so did his whole team

Omniman can create shockwaves and other aoe attacks, as we see in the finale. He should've used one of those to knock Red Rush Down and tackle him or something. Like how can Sky High do this better?

I do think the omni man scene could plausibly make sense. He is fast as well but also Red rush was panicking and moving predictably due to having little other options he wa practically just rotating around omni man. That along side with experience in combat would make it a lot easier for omni man to anticipate where he would be. Keep in mind he also trained with him so he is probably very familiar with rush's tactic of trying to confuse him which he likely has used against countless other villains before. I don't think he reacted to red rush as much as took advantage of his mental state and predicted him with some help from his own super speed. You'd be surprised how well humans can react to stimuli they are familiar with never the less a death machine trained since birth.

People very likely assumed that Omni Man moves at the speed of light, because he travels to other planets like we travel to the corner store

7:35 - to be fair, that’s pre-Mother Box Amp Superman vs Post Mother Box Amp Superman, because apparently he got a substantial power boost from the resurrection that they didn’t clearly communicate to us, which is fun. You can compare the footage from BVS where he is at least somewhat relative to Wonder Woman against Doom-Zod, but after resurrection he is clowning on Steppenwolf who was (at worst) easily matching Wonder Woman.

I saw somewhere that most cinematic speedsters aren’t actual speedsters but “time lords” it’s hilarious because most time we see the fastest characters they are in super slow motion. Dash is one of the few that feels fast and energetic every time he’s moving

Eric Kripke has confirmed he chose to make the last episode of Diabolical canon, because he liked it. You can trust him because he based Noir’s relationship to Homelander in the newest season partially on their interactions in the short.

It's not stated in the show, but I have to give the Omniman thing some credit. We don't know the capabilities of his race in the show, but as you mentioned we know he can begin moving ridiculously fast when flying - meaning he has to have speedster reaction times to control that. Is it *really* a stretch to say he can move at that speed in very short bursts (Superman can do this too)? Not defending it because it's Invincible, just saying.. I think the door is open to an actual explanation to that one. When Omniman threw that first punch, it was moving at *just* under Red Rush speeds, why he barely moved Immortal out of the way in time. All I'm saying is I'm willing to say Jury's Out on red rush right now due to not enough information.

Omni man flew from a mountain to space in seconds, he definitely has enough speed to react to red rush

3:24 he's 10000 years old and he adapts to fight? What is he? A saiyan?

Tbf about Apokalypse, he is legit op in every version. They can always still fight him, but usually can't beat him easily.

Bad writing is not just a speedster character's true enemy, its consistency. Writers will write shit like "he can react at 0.0383937 octillion seconds blah blah" but then gets beaten by opponents that's literally hundred times slower than what they've mentioned the reaction time of their speedster was

I agree that bad writers tend to cop out when it comes to the extent of super powers and losing when they shouldn't it for the sake of plot. However I'll say that super speed doesn't mean you're perfectly aware of everything around you, which is why in Flash Point batman shooting the Reverse Flash or whatever his name is, made sense because he caught him by surprise. We'll ignore the retcon speed-zombie thing.

Hey I love the audacity you have of roasting tf out of the people who disagree because they're wrong you're so fearless lmao dude is a menace

7:47 I read this as "a train" as in a literal train and was very confused by this whole conversation.

Yeah. The issue with prople bringing up '10,000 years of experience" and "skill" is that speedsters are potrayed as basically freezing time (from their perspective) whenever they go super-fast. So no amount of skill matters since the enemy would be effectively frozen and the only real counter is being able to move at comparable speed. Which is why Dash is so useful since he doesnt have superhuman reaction speed (or at least not at the level of 'I see everything as if time has stop').

For BVS I think one of the reason why superman didn't avoid the gas either is because he didn't think it would hurt him. He stopped the bullet to inspect what it does and it exploded into gas. He had never experience kriptonite or know about it existence (there was none in MoS) and never get hurt before (except when fighting Zod) so he have no clue there would be something that could potentially harm him. All of the previous batman devices was useless on him so he probably didn't think it would hurt him either. If I was him I probably like: "Ok another bullet and it explode into gas, that is all? Moving on Batman." So that was probably why he didn't dodge the gas and just inhale it like normal smoked bomb that Batman just used a few second ago. And isn't doomsday also has super speed because he is also Kriptonian? And superman wasn't as strong as before. He regenerated from the nuclear explosion and cameback instantly. So the fight with Superman, WW and DD was probably at super speed but Batman was watching it as well so I am not sure how fast it is. But I am not sure if it is justify or not. About Snyder cut. I guess Flash was so focusing on building charge he couldn't do anything else or all the charge would be lose. That may be why he get hurt. But if you don't agree then it is ok too. When he fought Superman. Superman also had super speed and he never could catched flash. Their only interaction was Flash tried to push Superman and then he got pushed back as well (probably a part of superman also pushing and he was like a wall so Flash instead pushed himself too). Anyway the thing with BvS is that. After the first reaction with Kriptonite, Superman got hurt a little but didn't know his superpower was heavily reduced. He was about to full strike on another normal person at that time. He could have killed batman if the kriptonite gas didn't last that long. That was so bad for someone that called Superman. And just the scene before he also threw batman over from a high fall. That could easily kill another person. I think either way of thinking those are bad writing is fine. Because BvS really has bad writing and so does Snyder Cut.

12:39 man that's why I don't like powerscaling community. They always use "if you can avoid light beam than you are FtL speed" argument. You know, you can avoid a gunshot, but that does not mean you are faster than bullet, right?

honestly ima give a pass to the omniman one because it looks badass even tho it doesnt make any sense

3:42 While you are correct in that the Dark Night is a better movie than Black Panther, Black Panther did objectively make way more money.

5:14 you could say that to most debaters/power scalers

Jist watched your three speedster videos and saw your post thanking people for the growth. Happy to be here thanks for the content

Hey, just discovered your channel today. I LOVE these videos about badly written speedsters.

For the invincible examples, could it be that some of the scenes that look like they’re happening in real time are actually speed scenes slowed down for viewer convenience? Super speed in the TV show doesn’t even look that fast so it’s not like time would be frozen for them.

Good video you have very good points,and u weren't harsh to the characters because they're weaker,which is respectable

I love how the people calling you out had no arguments at all lmao, the tiktok thing is so real.

I just LOVE the voices you make while reading some of these people's comments 😂

5:50 Omg! i've been trying to find a person to said something like this for a long long time! I've been talking with my friends about this all the time. Like i get it? the flash is surrounded by someone like shazam and superman, that's why he has to be the fastest. But for a speedster in my preference, i don't even think that they need to hit a speed of sound to be cool. Like spider-man, how to make your character interesting. You don't make them overpowered. Speedster hero can be something like spider-man, if only they would've limit to like a 800 KM/H, And that if they're pushing their limits. Speedsters like the flash looks so invulnerable, but at the same time he is vulnerable??? That's what make them so ass.

You touch upon a bigger and larger issue in these vids: that is, that in fiction in general and not just where superspeed or even powers and abilities are concerned, consistency is actually very hard to come by so much so that when it's seen, it's rare and often lauded, such as in the (first) Incredibles and Avatar: The Last Airbender (but not Korra, but Korra is awful). Sadly, is so many things, the rule of cool really does take precedence over the rule of making sense via implications and applications and other things, even internal sense, and the superhero genre, as much as I love that genre and is my personal favorite, very much suffers a lot of the time from this. Because superhero stuff is by its nature so flashy and is so prevalent nowadays, it also gets called out on this more often than other genres even tho many examples in those other genres are just as guilty if not more so. I will say this tho: at least in those instances you mentioned, the characters were, at least generally in character and consistent with themselves. I saw a couple scenes from the Halo TV series that, while impressive in that they finally give spartans feats more aligned with the non visual/book stuff in a visual medium rather than that slow as molasses dreck we got in Halo 5 between Locke and John, were vastly outweighed by the full on character assassination of Chief that I saw in other segments. All that to say, the Mario movie slaps the Halo TV series so hard in actually being faithful to the source material from a character, setting, and plot standpoint that Mario now owns microsoft and uses Chief as a footstool while playing Kid Icarus on his SNES.

Love this and the previous video, been a speedster fan as long as I can remember, and think the power of speed has been slept on for way to long.

I think I have a sound argument here. 11:31 maybe the reason he has the stop for a millisecond is because thats how long it takes for him to reverse his momentum. Go for run and see how quickly you can 180 into running the other way. And the faster you're running the longer it will take you to reverse your momentum. Yes he's fast but physics still apply to him.

Speedsters themselves are a big ass piece of bad writing. Super Speed isn’t just running fast. It’s doing everything fast. The faster things get, the more impulse they have. Someone like Quicksilver moving faster than the speed of SOUND?! Villains wouldn’t be flying away. They’d be straight up exploding from the sheer force of his punches. I’m not even talking about Flash who, as far as I heard, has the 99,9% speed of LIGHT? No… that’s no. Everything that comes between this man and his goals is dead. The ground he’s running on is dead. The planet he inhabits is fucking dead bro Speedsters could be cool if we were to… not make everything fucking dramatic and cool sounding like 99.9% speed of light. Make them as fast as a sports car. Maybe a tad bit faster. That already makes you a fucking menace. Ain’t no one out there who needs to have 99,9% speed of light. That’s BULLSHIT

I mean Omni Man still tracks at the end of the day. His top speed is FTL so his perception would have to around that a long with his agility. I’ll just use the flash time excuse to explain why he didn’t move his fist at the speed of light to catch his hand. Not saying the scene couldn’t have been done better but it is what it is

I just stumbled into your videos like many other people watching. love the content

I just watched both vids. I'm so glad I found someone else that actually gets it. I too am bamboozled by how speed-react works. At least RR explained his version of it. Still died to pure bs, but at least the writers thought about giving that an explanation. I tried watching The Flash with my wife, and I had to stop because it was genuinely giving me headaches trying to figure out how Barry lost ANY of his fights. Especially during S7 when he shows Thawne his "true speed" after their ridiculous lightsaber duel. Don't even get me started on the weapons they make. That shit just hurts my brain. Great vids. You have a perm sub. #NotificationGang

Maybe with RedRush, his reaction time is even faster than his normal speed, as in even to his perceived time he’s moving relatively slow, so any movements he makes have to be planned out before hand because his body takes time to do what he tells it to, I’m not defending it since this wasn’t in the show as a point but that would be an interesting way to balance a speedster

"Things should work entirely different in a generally faithful adaptation of a piece of media just because the adaptation changes some of the story" and then censoring the comment so that no one can read it and decide for themselves if it's too much of a stretch or not is crazy

I haven't seen the X-Men movies much, but if the main villain's entire deal is that they adapt to superpowers, then it makes way more sense that he'd be able to stop Quicksilver. I'd need to see the scene in its entirety to get a sense of the timeframe, but it does at least seem like Quicksilver engaged for longer than a nanosecond, and I think the eyeball shot was intended to show Apocalypse gaining that sort of speed perception we see Superman with. But again, this is coming from an incomplete understanding, it may not be entirely accurate. Red Rush was absolutely a victim to bad writing though. He shouldn't have been going on the offensive at all, instead using his speed to nudge his allies out of the way of Omni Man's attacks. He also should have been able to escape in the moment when Omni Man switched from holding his wrist to holding his head; either he put one hand on his skull first and then readjusted his grip, creating a window where RR is virtually unrestrained, or he went to put both hands on his skill, making RR literally unrestrained for a moment.

Damn the two videos really made me reconsider speedster abilities. Dash is a perfect example of what other characters *should* be, but get defaulted to the “time in a bottle” type. Good stuff.

7:00 I think superman realized that the grenade he caught was lead lined (one of the few things that blocks kryptonite’s effects and his x-ray vision) and was beginning to process that there was something odd going on, and as stated he didn’t know that he would be hurt, he was in the courtroom explosion earlier in the film and the only reason that he didn’t stop that was because the bomb was hidden by (dramatic music) lead. Edit: agreed that he could’ve moved after some green slipped out.

I loved the part where he presented arguments instead of shit talking, that was the best part

Bro don't listen to the haters! Many of us have been thinking the same thing for years about Speedsters; you're just one of the few who has had the balls to publicly say it. Keep up the good work! Anyway I was playing the new Spider-Man game on PS5 when something happened to make me think of your last video. BRO Spider-man totally gets the Speedsters writing treatment! One minute the precognition of his spider senses is almost god-like in the way it warns him of danger. It allows him to dodge and block everything from hidden traps, surprise punches, bullets traveling at the speed of sound and, even enemies who have the power to turn invisible. Hell! The precognition power of his spider sense is so broken and so overpowered that he can even sense people's bad intentions even if they're laughing and smiling. That means in a way he can almost read people's minds... that's crazy! Yet, when bad writing pops in Spider-Man can be knocked down because he failed to dodge a poll thrown by a common nobody henchman; all because the plot needed a reason for the main villain to get away. Bad writing! That's why they shouldn't give serial characters god-like cheat powers and expect the story to still have challenging obstacles. Or for readers to have tension, fear and, doubt about if their favorite character will win.

hey man, you should do a review on Kratos vs Heimdall (moves fast, slows down time, can read the intents of your heart, not read your mind). I think their fight is like when you talked about A-Train in your previous video, about being in his feelings and losing his focus. I think you can start a war in the comment sections with that. I loved their battle.

4:20 THANK YOU I have been saying this for ages. You cannot "Predict" where a speedster will be BECAUSE THEY CAN PERCEIVE THE PREDICTION FASTER THAN IT HAPPENING. Its like playing rock paper scizzors and my opponent throws scizzors because I threw paper too many times... But I can perceive hes throwing scizzors 10000x faster and ALWAYS adjust to rock before our hands are thrown down. also at 5:20 omniman I agree has SOME enhanced perception, but absolutely nowhere near red rush. Like, omniman literally got hit with baterangs from darkwing in their fight also 7:08 is why flash dying in the injustice animated movie is the most BS death ever. He just stands there and breathes the gas in... when the gas is slower than anything theyve reacted to (both superman, and flash)

In defence of Superman, he had never faced Kryptonite before. The closest was Zod’s ship replicating Krypton’s atmosphere but even then, it wasn’t even toxic to him, it just negated his powers. This isn’t Christopher Reeve’s Superman where he’s learned about the existence of Kryptonite, how it affects him and then tells a reporter he likes all about it. This was the first time he had ever encountered Kryptonite, so he wouldn’t have any reason to treat a random green gas as a threat to him until he breathed it in (in which case, it’s too late) Also, he wasn’t going into the fight to actually fight. I still think it’s ridiculous he didn’t directly say “Bruce, Luthor’s behind all of this, he’s kidnapped my mother and is ordering me to kill you, but I think we can stop him and save my mother if we work together”. Sure, he tried saying that all at the start of the fight, but he had so many opportunities even before the Kryptonite went into play to say something

Broo I actually liked what you did in this video 😂😂 bad comments can be really annoing especially when they type whatever without thinking first , I agree with everything you are saying genuinely because i love speadsters and have always thought they should be more powerful than what we see

I love the logic you put on these videos and the fact with math just doesn't make sense in these shows and movies disrespectful to these speedsters. you do them justice on common analysis that most do not have or understand.

Their opponents are fast too, omniman can likely move fast enough to negate red rushs speedy reactions. You can apply this logic to most of his enemies as well.

I reason why doomsday could've grabbed superman, is because he was made from Zod's body so he probably has super speed too.

The first commenter sounded like he was trying to come up with a better way the movie could have made Apocalypse beat Quicksilver. Rather than just moving his eyes and trapping him, they could have demonstrated him adapting to the situation and using his existing powers to accomplish it. So in response to being juggled at super speed, he could automatically start getting faster. Once he's able to perceive what's happening, he could push his body faster than its anatomy is adapted to, allowing him to act but at the cost of damaging himself. But since he can regenerate, then he can heal up afterwards. I think it would be simpler to just write it such that getting hit causes him to automatically adapt to the power used against him. The he just becomes fast enough to fight back. Then the scene could play out like how we see Superman start reacting and moving super fast in response to noticing the Flash.

I genuinely wanna hear your take on made in heaven from jojo's bizarre adventure since its speed comes from acceleration of time, and keeping up with that acceleration automatically

I think that I could explain why Red Rush died to Omni man logically but it more because the writer stumbled upon on it rather than because of their actual skill as writer. First we need to understand that Red Rush just need to make 1 mistake for Omni man to destroy him. He doesn't have super healing or super durability. When he died he break his hand try to punch Omni man away. Second, Viltrumite have weird physic. They can push on nothing to generate force and fly. This is explain in the scene when Omni man teach Mark how they are able to fly. So he can just stand his ground and not be moved by Red Rush. He have worked with them for years so he know that he will need to do that beforehand for Red Rush to not be relocated into a disadvantage position. Third, Red Rush know this when he feel his hand not moving Omni man at all like how Quick Silver able to juggle Apocalypse. So he have to stop and not fully commit to his punch because if he didn't it will break his hand and like trying to run into a wall. So in the small in between time when he have to stop he can be catched by Omni man if Omni man is expecting it. And sadly Omni was expecting him after a few punch to the face and was able to learned his attacking pattern. And we know Omni man is still fast as in routinely from nowhere to apeared to save the day fast. So in the small window Red Rush have to slow down and speed up, it was in his speed bracket to catch it. Fourth, because of the situation and confusion, Red Rush didn't go all out. (Omni man was their friend and have save some of them one point or another) So he didn't fully try to murder Omni man and was just trying to knock him out or something. And pair this with the fact he was the first to engaged Omni man, he wasn't as cautious as he should be like not speeding up as fast as he could and/ or got cocky because he was able to land a few hit or feel conflicted that he have to neutralize His friend / coworker.

I feel, if Speedsters have superspeed on all counts, so does Omni Man when he flies fast. Otherwise he’d hit birds, planes, and anything else in his pathway. So him having Superspeed reactions makes sense too. Plus, in the scene where Red Rush dies, the guardians are barely rushing forward when we see Red Rush punching Omni Man with his already broken hands. I always inferred this as Omni Man acting in super speed as well

Bro that Quora level mcu meatriding at the end. Chef's kiss!

I think while speedsters only lose to bad writing, they are only OP in bad writing too. Speedsters are only ever as quick as they need to be because writers seldom have an accurate sense of scale when it comes to motion and the implications that such speeds have. Any story that features a speedster is likely using them purely for spectacle, not likely considering their power so much as their impact; because how do you actually write them well without going mad from the academic-level research that would go into making them believably functional? I have noticed that a lot of the narrative failings with most speedsters comes from the failure to account for their secondary superpowers (ie super-perception, super-endurance, super-durability, super-metabolism) that would logically be necessary to facilitate the primary ability of "run real fast". Literally no speedster should be defeatable, as anything that can move fast enough to be considered "super speed" would have to be a biological brick shit-house. And yes, I realize I totally just contradicted myself; point is that Speedsters are bad characters to write.

Totally agree with you bro. The one who moves faster than you, Can't be beaten by you

1:23 I think you totally misinterpreted that comment. I'm pretty sure they were trying to say "one potential idea I can think of to write it differently and make it more plausible is this..." or something to that effect. It sounded like you were interpreting that comment as somebody who's coming up with a BS excuse/explanation on behalf of the movie. Your anger would be pretty justified if it were the latter, but I'm pretty sure it was just a person with their creative writing cap on coming up with some theoretical fixes.

I dont know what happened to the world but its like the whole worlds forgotten that Superman has x-ray vision. He should've been able to see that batman shot something hollow at him and avoid it.

If I made a Speedster, I'd balance them using the handwaving aspects: Oh, you can circumnavigate the globe in half a second? How did you not tear up the ground with the force of those footsteps? Seems like something about the speedster powers prevent collateral damage from simply moving so fast. Therefore: If the ground can't be damaged by your hyperspeed footsteps, that bad guy can't be damaged by your hyperspeed fist. It would make the Red Rush type scene make sense: This hypothetical hero has to drop out of superspeed for a split-second to actually land a blow that doesn't just tickle the target.

You know what your right, your actually right , I did think about it, I mean if someone try to defend one of the speedsters they'll just lead to more plot holes and of course of bad writing in the end

4:11 Both of them were moving at super speed so it was in real time for them and us. You can see the others in the scene move in slow motion.

In summary: when writers contradict their writing, not providing reasons for why certain things happen and how they happen, it results in bad writing.

The argument I'll make for Omni Man is that he planned how to handle Red Rush. To bring up MMA like you have, some of the best wins were purposely letting an opponent over extend themselves and responding. How Jones completely embarrased Gain or recently with O'Malley vs Sterling, he knocked him out with a hook after Sterling threw a jab. It feels split second but it was a purposeful plan to attack on an attack. This has been done even on contact as McGregor won a fight tanking a hit but getting a better one in as the punch landed. So imagine if you didn't have to worry about taking any damage on a hit. One of Omni Man's main characteristics is being significantly more experienced in battle and tactics than everyone else combined with Superman powers. So I wouldn't put it past him baiting an attack he knew he could punish. And Omni Man is shown to have super speed immediately, not just from inertia. He does speedster things like change clothes immediately and others. So he clearly has speedster powers even if it's less than Red Rush, but enough to utilize it. I am definitely giving it some leeway for the theory as the animation doesn't portray it well but it's why it makes sense conceptually. I don't think they were written into a corner, I think they thought it looked cooler (as opposed to the comic that was trying to be more accurate) the way it's shown than something more accurate. They could have made it that Omni man tricked Red Rush into too much momentum that he just couldn't physically respond and countered in a more believable way but the arm grab is just more intimidating which was the point. These are fantasy entertainment properties and often how something is portrayed is more important than accuracy of the portrayal. Though most of the others are bad writing imo. I think the issue with the writing is the final episode when those abilities suddenly seem less powerful for the plot to happen, he shouldn't have been taken down by cyborgs.

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In the case of Invincible, omniman is not slow. In the comic, he jad flew to different planet in just a week and his son, Mark literally flew faster than a spaceship traveled a very large distance of space. Omniman is like a speedster too in his own way. We didn't get to see enough of Red Rush to know how much faster he is. From just that scene, the show told us that Nolan is not being left in the dust.

In my personal opinion: I originally felt like the Red Rush Death made sense because he was geared towards being more of a defensive than offensive hero. like he was the support of the team, he'd get people out of harm's way and shit. So when it came to actual combat against someone like Omniman, with trained reflexes capable of fighting and killing warriors from Viltrum, full-on Viltrumites trained in war, ngl I thought at the time it made sense. But after watching your video when you broke down how dumb it was that he was pausing after each punch like that, it made sense that it was just bad writing that got him killed all around. At first I thought it was just misuse of his kit, but upon closer inspection it was misuse of science as well lol

DUDE'S NAME IS APOKOLIPSE. He is an actual GOD. Why is it bullshit that a GOD who literally destroys worlds and has full control over his mutant powers was able to adapt that fast? Yes, yhe could have used that to insta-kill all mutants but he wanted to toy with them before killing them (His pride ultimately being his own downfall)

There simply is very little one could do to stop a speedster

In most stories looked at as objectively as possible in fiction at this point, if character 1 reacts to an attack from a different character who has been established as a speedster type of character, it just has to mean they have reaction speed somewhat around the established “speedster” because we literally just saw them react to the speedster. You can say it’s kinda dumb because the writer isn’t giving proper emphasis or description to character 1 having reaction speed like this, but that’s pretty much what it means. That means even potentially if they’re just “peak humans” in the story somehow reacting to a character who can catch bullets, that just means the “peak human” can obviously do stuff that wouldn’t really be considered real peak human level just cuz it’s fiction. Just depends on the world their in and whether that’s reasonable given they like train or whatever maybe. As weird as it is to say, speed of movement in animation or live action scenes with super humans isn’t always indicative of how fast their going. Like Character A can block a bullet, and they’ll have a super wild visual where the whole thing happens in slow motion and the camera work is used super well to emphasize that it’s all super fast. Then in the next movie or episode it can have a Character B stated to be faster than Character A, and have him dodge a bolt of lightning, but the animation or camera work looks super flat and doesn’t really give off the impression it’s very fast at all. Then Characters A or B can fight an enemy and they can be trading blows at equal speeds, yet it looks like they’re just going regular human speed despite the fact that we know this is technically happening at bullet speed or lightning speed. Even though it doesn’t really look like it we have to give the benefit of the doubt and assume the established information is still true. So if omni man at some point dodges lightning and then he gets boxed up by some cyborgs, we kinda just gotta assume the robots have near lightning speed combat or reaction speed even if the animation doesn’t emphasize that at all. I do think this is really a problem in live action though because Superman is so fast he’s invisible in one scene, and yet later he fights an enemy and we see the fight go on and it doesn’t look as fast as it did before, because they’re live action it’s far easier for us to naturally assume they as just going slower than they were before for some reason even though they might’ve said something like “I’m trying harder than before”, “I have to go faster than I ever have”, or even just if the actor is clearly trying to display that the character is trying super hard. I think all this stuff is definitely the writers fault a lot of the time for not portraying the reality of their world in whatever medium it’s in (comics, movies, animation) in a way that makes it clear when a character is going as fast as they are supposed to be in order to catch another character. I think rather than looking at the scenes and going “all these characters shouldn’t be able to hit these characters who are way way faster than than them”, I usually complain like “this is dumb because there’s too many characters being made randomly fast enough to react to our primary “speedster” type character due to plot. And/or they didn’t even make it visually telling enough to assume without question that they are that fast from a purely visual perspective.” Of course sometimes it also makes sense for the characters to be that fast, and of course other times it’s literally just cuz the writer forgets that these speedster were written to have their super speed reaction time that activates reflexively, only to have them just get surprised by weapons or characters established concretely as considerably slower than them! To which I have to cope by trying to make sense of it by saying “oh they were just so off guard (even though they shouldn’t have been in context) that they’re super speed vision lagged for just long enough to get tagged.” But I’m just mentioning a possible alternate perspective to some scenes while still agreeing that it’s a failure of the writers. Also not really super important, but I will say I think most speedsters with established super speed vision/super speed reaction speed can turn it on and off whenever they please, and even sometimes have it activate as a reflex if that’s portrayed. Unless you’re someone like red rush, who I think sadly has his slow motion vision on at all times making his life super hard to live. But his dialogue with his wife to me definitely implied he literally can’t turn off his slow motion which is why he kept getting bored during their picnic conversation, and he is just somehow extremely good at talking super slowly for people to understand. Cuz if he just turns it off while he’s talking to people why would he bring it up as an honest excuse in regards to getting bored having a conversation with his girl?

There are ways to have a speedster do a "time in a bottle" scene without having all conflict sucked out. Just make it so that the speedster has a rival, like reverse flash, and that they only struggle with the rival and you're good.

You have become my favorite channel bro

I agree with the guy who said "speedsters are a pain in the dick". I bet he is really smart and handsome.

I think the only speedster that is written well is metro man.

I always feel like Speedsters are so OP that the writers write themselves into a corner right from the genesis of the character. Literally every problem they encounter can be solved so easily that it just becomes monotonous. If we say Red Rush is basically discount Flash shouldn't he be able to rip/destroy Omni-man's heart via Phasing? Like even if they are bulletproof and super durable their body doesn't defy physics and is still made up of moleules, which have spaces between them which makes them phasable!

Theres something about the red rush scene that I feel like nobody notices. Omni man noticed red rush would only hit him where he wasn't looking. So he looked the other way, and moved his arm into position WHILE red rush was about to hit him. Not after. It wasn't super speed, and it wasn't enhanced senses. But the most important thing was that red rush was literally written to be killed. And if red rush was smarter (or written to win the battle) he would've stayed as support, moving the team members out of the way

You can see the light of an explosion before the sound and definitely before you see the blast wave. Light is faster than sound. Plus it’s a tv show they write explosions poorly.