Someone once said it's not the trauma that makes you a hero or a villain. It's what you do with it. Don't make them feel your pain, protect them so that pain never gets felt again.
Knowing Marvel, I won’t be surprised if this story ends with Mary Jane hating Peter, further destroying their relationship and strengthening her love for Paul.
@@sinfuladamgood the ideals peter has had are not actually his own there were uncle Ben's ideals and Ben's ideals where the epitome of unrealistically optimistic. "with great power comes great responsibility" sure however he completely forgot to mention nor teach peter that great responsibility comes ever lasting suffering and having your life ruined for ungrateful and uncaring people, Uncle Ben effectively wanted peter to essentially be everyone's dog's body, even Thor in one comic called peter out on this idea on why does he have to be every mortal#s servant when he's effectively a demi-god to them, Even T'challa/ Black Panther understands that yes he is selfless and helps those beneath him he still understands that he is also ABOVE them and makes sure that those he cares about and also his enemies KNOW IT!. the Hero complex doesn't seem to understand that fear and ruthlessness is just as important and mercy and compassion. it's all about balance and trust me Peter's effectively been fighting with one hand behind his back for decades.
@@michaelkean5969 It's very easy to walk past that line Peter is doing this for uncle Ben. Using the ideals he valued because when he dawned that mask he dawns a man that tries to uphold those ideals no matter the cost. And if this is what breaks Peter if this is what truly diminishes him from walking past that line then he doesn't deserve to wear that mask after all the shit hes been through. Even after his aunt got shot and nearly died he still didn't kill and he damn sure didn't enjoy what he was doing. And besides it's not just spider man it's super hero life in generalThat's what you sign up for when you become a super hero
"Despite everything you've done for them eventually they will hate you" - Green Goblin. Seriously marvel must seriously hate spiderman at this point by screwing him over constantly.
@@dhnation4975I think its less that and more that when people think of Spider-Man, people think of him overcoming great obstacles… So when Spider-Man has overcome everybody obstacle but they need to keep churning out comics, naturally, the easiest solution is to just *escalate* .
If I recall correctly, there was an era where spidey was also absolutely miserable and then ultimate Spider-Man came along, so who knows. Maybe we’ll eventually get an actual good series.
@@matthewbibby8921bro his aunt has died like 8 times and he sold his relationship to save her he is overcoming a fucking mountain his struggle is not relatable no one has this much bad luck
I hate the whole "separating Goblin and Norman with a magic gun" thing. I always prefered the idea of the Goblin not as Osborn's dark side, but as his unhinged side. Even in the Ditko days, Norman was shown to be a scum-bag before he was revealed to be the Goblin. Stan Lee and Romita introduced the different personalities thing, but Norman the and the Goblin but wanted the same thing: money, influence and power, they just had different means of acheivening it. He's not a good man turned evil, he's an evil man that's no longer trying to hide it from the world. The Kraven clone was also stupid. It feels like Spencer trying to have his cake and eat it too since the point of that arc seemingly was to return Kraven to the grave. All that said, this arc has the potential to be a satisfying (if not objectively good) end to a horrible era for the character. Just have Peter get his revenge against a bunch of bad guys who have particulary messed up his life (maybe saving Osborn for last). Have Osborn come back as the Goblin in the end, have Peter undergo actual personal growth from this instead of just suffering and then resetting everything and maybe end with a few of the villains ACTUALLY dead to shake up the status quo. Peter can angst about that without having to directly make him responsible for it in the eyes of fans. Sure, the revenge part would be mostly fanservice and a little fanfic-y, but so was Peter and MJ getting back together with little build up and people liked that.
Yeah I agree when I have seen Norman not as the Goblin, he still was a piece of shit treating his son like he was just property and even stole his girlfriend and impregnated her.
And why a gun, though? Even if you wanted to use a different weapon, I can get that, but it doesn’t work here. At least use a sword if you don’t wanna think hard on something, which would fit better if you wanna ‘separate’ the Goblin from the man
What a brilliant analysis; Norman and the Goblin being both one in the same but also technically not, is the perfect characterization I desire for Norman. I think there are lots of sympathetic villains, and Norman, well, not being one would sure be a breather. Also, if we know the current status quo, Paul’s gonna end up being MEPHISTO, WOAAAAAHHHH. I actually do hope he is, though. That’d reverse any kind of important and irreversible consequences and plot contrivances.
There was a time I did believe that the Goblin was a separate entity, would explain how in the 90s cartoon and the Raimi films he appears before Harry in a reflection, tempting him to become Goblin. But I agree that Norman was always bad and the goblin serum just brought more of it to the surface, it was always there. There are versions like in films and the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon where he becomes more sympathetic because he sees himself how others have from the outside perspective.
Hearing that Peter/Spider Goblin is going after Paul next honestly makes me very happy. Seriously Paul is such an unnecessary character and he and his existence pisses me off. I genuinely hope Paul gets killed and gets killed brutally by Spider Goblin and then I hope they reveal Paul was actually Mephisto or is an illusion created by Mephisto and then hope they retcon Zeb Wells’s entire run and reveal that it was all an illusion that Peter and MJ are trapped in and have to escape.
@@spentlizard353 that would be the satisfying solution, but knowing marvel, they prolly won’t and just find some way to make things worse for peter smh
Honestly, I love Peter losing his shit and just beating enemy. This issue in particular is satisfying after years of Peter just plain being incompetent, so him pulling reverse on Kraven Last Hunt is so good.
Burying Kraven, especially the way he did, is cold. Peter, in a way, showed mercy to Kraven by giving him an easy way out with the rifle, unlike Kraven did to Peter. When Kraven buried Peter, Peter would've had to either dig his way out (as he did) or let oxygen run out and suffocate. For Kraven, he either digs his way out, suffocates, or turns to rifle on himself. He basically said "I'm doing unto you what you did unto me, but I'm gonna show how I'm a better person than you by giving this ticket out."
1:58 Speaking of the Batman Who Laughs, I think it was a very good artistic decision to make Superboy-Prime the one that doomed his plans. Who better to troll the typical ridiculously powerful villain that abounds today than the only character aware of how infinitely better the heroes and villains of the past were compared to the trash writing we get nowadays? 😌👌
I thought that it was Wonder Woman that beat him? Also to me it feels like it would have been better if Batman was the one that beat him since the Batman Who Laughs is someone Batman fears he would become.
Spider-Man going after Paul next will either be exactly what we need or a massive anti-Spider-Man bomb waiting to detonate and doing what we can only imagine against his character like a massive nail in the coffin. One such imaginable possibility is it making sure he and MJ never get together again, in turn. Is Marvel smart enough to turn Paul into a twist villain? We can only imagine. If you won’t write a proper villain after everything he did as was obviously primarily intended, then there’s just faceless villainy embedded in the writing, and that’s unacceptable anywhere, no matter what.
@@LP1ToTheEndOfTime Such a certified Spider-Man moment… (being sarcastic, in case you couldn’t tell) Basically the story likely has no deeper meaning except ‘making sure MJ will never wanna be with Peter again’. Relatable, right? Yeah, at this point, wanting Spider-Man to be ‘relatable’ sounds like an excuse at this point, a thin veil to hide the fact that they have this unhealthy hate for the character. Marvel really needs a Crisis on Infinite Earths-type event, the kind that gives the studio the green light to reboot. And they really need to reboot, not just for their superhero world, but one that also reaches to the studio itself, with things like new writers, especially, who know what they’re doing and don’t hate characters or superheroes in general.
Technically he's wrong. There's no goblin demon it's just normans sins being cleansed. In other words Norman had all his evil taken from him and now Peter has it.
Given from what I've heard (and Linkara has said iirc) where Spider-Man keeps being the punching bag and has anything nice taken away from him because "he needs to be a teenager dealing with endless teen issues, angst and high school/college drama along-side villain of the week forever or else he 'can't be relatable anymore' to the younger audience", I legit believe that Marvel's upper staff need to finally once and for all realize no one actually cares if Spider-Man isn't the exact same as he was at the start and that he can change and grow with the audience. Not just be held back because the writers are too unwilling/lazy/ect. to actually do new things with Spider-Man other than be tempted to go full Berserk soon.
This run may be tarnishing Zeb Wells name, but I'll always respect him for that comic strip where Eddie tries to use Venom as toilet paper. Edit: The Goblin who Guffaws? The Spider who Snickers? I'll come up with something for this version of Peter.
There’s only one word I use to describe Nick Spencer’s run, innovative. While it stumbles in its final hours, the amount of dedication Spencer had to bringing Peter Parker back into something that isn’t Marvel Editorial Torture Montage. Nick Spencer’s while not perfect, was the best thing to happen to the Spider-Man run in a very long time.
The fact that a cracked out Spidey will soon hunt down Paul gives me hope that it’s a possibility that marvel might actually listen to Spider-Man fans for a change lol.
Please (if you can and it does happen) I hope you cover the story of him going after Paul. I feel a little sadistic hoping he goes after MJ to consider (what I heard anyway) she sent Peter back and literally moved onto the guy next to her so not exactly innocent but I’m just gonna wait to see. Yeah Paul is basically the personification of the newest low in his life but still
“Spider-Goblin” has been a concept before. Like when Spider-Gwen met a version of Peter who killed Norman after his Gwen’s death. Or in Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon when Norman fused his DNA with those of Spider-Men across other worlds.
Since the beginning of this run I’ve been so disheartened with the direction the Marvel editors have taken Spider-Man. So much bullshit. So to see Peter being more aggressive is a breath of fresh air
The main reason why people seem to love this- Is because Peter Parker is our boy in all his forms. And there's two things we love to see more than anything. The first is to see Peter getting a break, we love nothing more than our boy getting the win, riding into the sunset, and having some peace. We all know we ain't fucking getting that here. So we settle for the second option. The only thing we may love more than seeing Peter get his way as a good guy. Is seeing him get his way as a villain. You wanna write him out of character? Commit to the bit and make him so out of character that it wraps around to being in character. Bring out the black suit, set him up with Black Cat, and make him the king of something, let him go absolutely berserk and start dealing out karma. Only thing better than getting a break is getting even. Will it last? Of course not, it never does. But this would be a PERFECT chance to write a "Spider-Man kills the Marvel Universe" style of story. Have him take on the combined forces of the X-Men, Avengers and Fantastic Four all at the same time, and put on a showcase of Spider-Man not holding back. Hell, at this point, have him go full on Batman who laughs in the current universe and destroy said universe, it'd basically redeem an irredeemable version of the character and set up perfectly for a retcon to undo all the damage that's happened here, throw in a scene where he either allies with or rips Mephisto to pieces, and you have a perfect case of poetic villainy. If we can't see him win as a hero, at least let us see him be the best villain he can possibly be. I especially want the Mephisto bit to happen, and it'd fit, as he's driven by a demon of Mephisto's own making, which is doubly poetic. In a world where Spider-Man can't be the hero we need, let him be the demon we deserve.
When I read the run, I thought it was going to go like this: Peter and Mj are still together, but they share custody of the two kids with Paul. The two kids mainly live with Paul, but visit Peter and Mj from time to time. After issue 26, Peter, Mj, and Paul go to therapy to figure out what to do, mainly Mj and Paul. Mj decides to take heroing, and Peter helps her become a hero.
Something I with they stole from manga is Peter having it hard not because the fate is discriminating against him in particular but because the villains trained between rematches
I've binged all of your videos over the past couple days... And they're amazing. You pick VERY good stories to cover, and the dark ones are mine boggling (but addicting somehow.) Keep it up man, this is really good stuff.
You would think for one of if not THE very first Marvel character created by Stan Lee himself would get waaaaay more respect in his treatment than how he’s been getting steamrolled by his own authors
That's legit the most adorably stupid thing I've ever read. As if a bland token knock-off like Miles Morales will ever be able to legitimately match Peter in popularity and/or iconic status, much less *surpass* him. To even consider that as a possibility speaks to a level of out-of-touch, fart-sniffing delusion & a lack of self-awareness that it defies all comprehension. It's so nonsensical that it'd be genuinely hilarious if it weren't so utterly pathetic.
I can't say I read comics at all but I've seen so many synopses of Spiderman comics where the writers just treat Peter like garbage or humiliate him by now that I genuinely wonder if it's people that have a grudge against Stan Lee.
I feel like the spider-goblin is just a thematic continuation of the Superior Spiderman. Soon his body will play host to all of his enemies, from Electro to the Kingpin to even Rhino! Hey, maybe we can even give White Rabbit a turn, wouldn't that be a lark?! I can't wait for Mysterio to possess him! It will be so fun!
Peter’s last fight with Vulture was actually good. Vulture is supposed to be a threat so it wouldn’t make sense for vulture to be written as an easy win. Vulture isn’t a joke of a character, he’s a genuine threat for Spider-Man. But everything else is right
Dude is a 70+ year old cancer patient with wings, Peter is a mid 20s superpowered hero. It shouldn't be hard for Spidey nowadays even if he holds back.
@@numbersandletters0i608Facts, Spider-Man may be a street tier Hero but he can definitely still give the top tiers a good fight. He shouldn’t be struggling against the Vulture it makes no sense.
Yeah Gleason's art heart is really carrying issues 33 and 34. Like damn the sorrowful expressions he gives Norman actually makes me feels somewhat bad for him and he just draws black suited spiderman in such a imposing yet appealing way. The plot is still contrived and Peter attacked a bridge full of people to get Paul/MJ so yeah that suck. Makes me sad that evil Peter has the only two half decent issues out this whole run. So far this and the previous doc ock arc have been somewhat okay.
Instead of "Kraven's Last Hunt", this comic is "Kraven IS The Last Hunt". Pretty good how this comic turned the sides of the story. And Im with you, Mullet: I hate the new Spidey comics. There are some good recent Spidey stories, but most of them are just shit. Anyway. Seeing a hero making a villain suffer the exact same thing the villain made him suffer years ago is SOOOOO satisfying. This also happened in a recent Batman comic where Batman made Bane to suffer the exact same thing Bane made Batman to suffer in the story arc Knightfall.
Marvel, more of this. Kinda. Ur moving in the right direction. After years of disrespect he finally gets a huge W. Sorta. Did Zeb finally listen to us? I’d personally change kraven being terrified from the get go to being excited that he got an even more worthy opponent but is a lil scared. A lil doubtful. Then shits bricks later
Honestly the way Marvel has abused and hurt Peter over the years, I feel good seeing Peter go off he needs to have a bad day to do what should have been done years and years ago… let the venom consume you Peter 😈
Looks like a fun concept and that art is stick but this is like the 5th time they revisited Kraven's Last Hunt. I usually love when callbacks and revisits happen but this is too much. We had some kind of Hunt story line in Slott, Spencer and Wells.
It'll take more than a few good stories to convince me to give Zeb Wells a mulligan (People liked "Big Time" before Dan Slott ruined his goodwill with "Superior" IIRC )Sadly as intriguing as this may be, I believe that this is a long plan to make everyone so sick of Peter Parker that they'll embrace Miles Morales as being the one true Spider-Man. But all that would do in the long run is make everyone resent Miles. I have a feeling that Spider-Goblin will become Peter Parker's "Emerald Twilight."
Mullet Man i'd love for you to cover Green Goblin vs Swordsman from when Norman ran H.A.M.M.E.R his little monolouge is fucking insane and hillarious and his fight with swordsman (A man who just defeated Mac Gargan venom) where he makes Swordsman cry out to his mommy before fucking crucifying him. Another comic is "Revengeof the Green Goblin" where Peter is drugged, weakened, tricked into thinking he started a fire and jumped people, then juped by Green Goblin before torturing Peter with literal fucking lightining to make him take the goblin serum.
2 months later having read up to Gang War just now, man they really do NOTHING with this story. Just, boop. Back to normal. Paul’s fine. No relationship shakeup. Just more child-adult sadness from Peter as he’s broken up with. And don’t even get me started on Randy’s wedding.
