*SPIDER-MAN 2* is a one big cheese-fest (and I LOVE it) 

still holds up in 2022, personally I think the fighting style in this movie is better than most modern marvel movies :))

Yeah maybe, but he still looks constipated

Agreed, one of the best super hero / villain fight scenes ever.

@@Deeznutz1067. constipated maguire is the best maguire After bully maguire of course

Doc Oc is kind of a genius. A lot of villians will distract the hero by making him save innocent people.. but Doc puts spider man in a situation that will totally zap him of his strength.. so he can basically just carry him off lmao. I love how in SMNWH *SPOILER ALERT* He comes back as one of the good guys... kind of a nod to Terminator II ;)

Is it often you get touched by guys

That line reminded of “nobody makes me bleed my own blood”

@@bigfudge2031 They try often.

You could use it after just the first touch though... it doesn't have to be a lifelong recurrence

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-Norman Osborn(Green Goblin) -Octavius (Doc Ock) -Dr. Connors (Lizard) -Quentin Beck (Mysterio) -Max (Electro) Missing anyone?

You know, they all are something of scientists themselves...

@@vaish7bijith vulture

And i uno( for the lulz) you with kraven, scorpio, venom, electro, mobius, punisher, kingpin, etv

You made me remember Ned`s lines on NWH... - Is this a crazy scientist who turned himself into a tree? LOL

Comic book cover with the question : Spider-Man, no more?

Only sad thing since arms are CG in No Way Home we can't have a part 2 to the famous "If I were a rich man" bts moment

Marvel has such a big budget, whyyy cant they invest that into more practical effects is my question. I loved no way home but the cgi was ehhhhhh at times

Also the shot of them both on the web, the trilogy actually takes a lot of shots from the original panels.

@@G3609 Bruh it's almost two months

Even the way the guy brings up the chainsaw was an Evil Dead reference! It's so great.

No man, you don't get it. ITS CHEESY. Can't you see it is one big cheese-fest? (It sucks that I have to state this but, yes, I'm being sarcastic)

@@TheMisterHache xD thank you

Best scene in the movie, if you’re an Evil Dead fan like me.

This scene is VERY similar to the alien "autopsy" scene in Independence Day.

He didn't really "revolutionise" the character. This isn't some Batman TAS Mr. Freeze over here. This idea of him Golluming it up with his tentacles was never adapted into any other incarnation, especially not the comics. This idea stays exclusive to the Raimi trilogy Doc Ock.

@@CalciumChief so he did something against the norm and unique with this Doc Ock…sounds a bit “revolutionary” to me.

@@askalano No, that's just a different take.

@@askalano He did the exact same thing willem dafoe did in the previous movie. What's so revolutionary about it? Also that cliché is in most raimi movies.

You're right. When Doc Oct was announced as the villain the audience thought it couldn't be pulled off on screen. Raimi and Alfred Molina proved them dead wrong

I would prefer that to the cotton candy marvel movies that try so hard to be funny with cringe ass jokes every 5 mins

@@sylvester3018 Being in the midst of an MCU rewatch, I entirely agree. Comedy is one of their biggest weaknesses and beyond Iron Man 1-3 and the Guardians films (ie. where it is an actual part of the character development), it's such a vibe killer.

@@sylvester3018 So you prefer not cringe jokes like "That's a nice dress.. Did your husband give that to you" and very clever wordplays like " It's you who's out gobby. Out of your Mind! "

@@Aro7241 Sam raimi know how to use and when to put Jokes in his movie. His movie has alot of Jokes but it never was comedy. It's a serious drama with comedy in it. MCU new movies often feel like comedy. They try so hard to put a joke every few minutes. It fun to watch but annoying too.

@@Aro7241 that or my favorite one, “oh look at little goblin jr, gonna cry? 🤣

And No Way Home makes an awesome callback to it.

Also, before he jumps, he says "I need a strong focus". The car he lands on is a Ford Focus. One might even call it a strong one.

Isn't it funny that Jake Gyllenhaal finally got his Spider-Man movie as Mysterio; a character who try's to usurp Peter-Parker/Spidermans role as the next leader of the Avengers/ "Next Iron Man/Tony Stark" a role that Tony himself intended to go to Spider-Man, and "E.D.I.T.H" was the literal "torch" being passed on.

Not the best the first was the best

@@sosexyimsexy3210 f outta way!!

This. Every iteration of Spider-Man has these traits

But, and I say this as a long time fan, Peter brings a lot of this on himself in ways that he could mitigate. Yes, he should be Spider-Man, but that doesn't mean the people who love him shouldn't know, and if anything that punishes them and himself for no reason. It's one of the things I like about MCU Peter. And one of the most frustrating aspects of NWH.

@James Rhodes I would say Andrew Garfield's iteration of Spider-Man is the prime example of why Peter is terrified of the idea of letting those closest to him know he is Spider-Man. Gwen knew, and she wanted to be involved with not only Peter Parkers life but also Spider-Man's. At the end of the movie, she chose to help Spider-Man defeat electro. She knew Peter was Spider-Man and was willing to put herself in danger, the danger that will always follow Spider-Man. Ultimately, we know what happened. It put her in the position to be killed by goblin. I think for Peter it is easier to keep the identities of Spider-Man and Peter Parker separate not only from his enemies but to those he loves.

@@AuyongProductions and I absolutely get that. But, at the end of the day it's not Peter's fault that the people around him make those decision. I know that's blasphemous to say but it's the truth. I think this goes into the issue of comic characters not being able to really change and constantly being adapted and re-adapted over time, we can't keep hitting these same beats all the time. Its stale and limiting to these characters. It's why I didn't really like NWH that much because we are headed for yet another Spider-Man story where Peter is alone and constantly battles with the internal fight of wanting to be with people but not being able to because of his responsibility as Spidey and its just tiring after a while.

@James Rhodes Yes, I can see your point, but I think at his core, that is just who Spider-Man is. Spider-Man is one of the most popular Marvel characters in existence, and I think it's simply because people can relate to him. People, especially the younger generation (myself included), are lonely, afraid, awkward, and often put ourselves in stupid situations, and even as you said, become our worst enemies in a sense. Maybe we make things harder than it needs to be, but at the end of the day, we choose to do these things because we believe it's right. I think this is Spider-Man in a nutshell. he is not perfect and isn't in constant struggle trying to figure out what he is supposed to have in life; is he supposed to be happy? And at what cost? Should he give up his responsibility and be selfish and just enjoy a life he feels he's entitled to? I think the hardest decisions are often the correct ones. I think most people emulate themselves after Peter Parker and not Spider-Man. It's like in NWH, when goblin says "strong enough to have it all hut too weak to take it."This line is the epitome of Peter Parker having the ability to get what he wants but realizing that the risk of getting it outweighs everything else. We all want to be Spider-Man, but many of us are Peter Parker. For Peter to willing choose to be Peter Parker, a lonely, scared, and at many times lost teen/young adults shows how self sacrificing he is.

Greatest scene in all of spiderman films

Great song .

lol no spoilers! damn was that funny tho!

Oh You gonna cry?

All you had to say was "Spider-Man 3: Hold my beer" because the rest of it was inferred. LOL

Same here, man. Same here.

@@pacermusicmaker7930 i love this movie and its probably one of the greatest superhero movies of all time. But it IS cheesy.

I call a movie with a heart!

@@shawnjames3242 there are cheesy parts, but the movie as a whole isn’t cheesy

Exactly. Especially since, like Nat said, superhero movies are so similar. Half the time I see a marvel movie I come out of the cinema feeling like I've seen it before. But these movies have something else.

thats the one thing that raimis spiderman really nails that the others just dont capture as much or as well, the fights and web swinging. theres some cool amazing stuff and i feel like we just barely see that stuff in recent movies. dont know about something, something home but just something raimi did amazing with.

I'd argue it's still the best choreographed fight scene in superhero movies till this day tbh. MCU fights are hype and look cool and flashy but a lot of them lack in the choreograph department imo. Though Shang-Chi and Winter Soldier were both good in that regard.

@@mitchhamilton64 I know what you mean and it’s true

Spidey and doc falling off that tower fighting is possibly my all time favorite sequence

@@mitchhamilton64 TASM series nailed one thing, the web swinging, lets not dismiss that.

More so campy and the hospital scene definitely is that. It's the way it's filmed. Very Sam Raimi

@@The_Phantasm Huh who tf said The Dark Knight is number 1? Bruh, The Dark Knight was carried by joker, but the overall movie isn’t really agreed to be number 1.

SHOUTS OUT TO ROSEMARY, she's awesome for that and for her underappreciated performances

Well said man. :)

Where did you hear about that last one, where Dafoe visited on set, if you don’t mind me asking? Is it in an interview or something?

She was used to wire work. She once played Peter Pan in a stage production

Not really it’s mostly Sam Raimi’s style of filmmaking he lives for that shtick

@@mohammedashian8094 that’s why he is perfect for cbms

Enjoy the cheesiness, there is nothing wrong with it, it makes the movie more memorable

@@MAT7OPS damn straight

It’s also Sam Rami being Sam Rami. There’s a reason the evil dead / Army of Darkness movies are what they are.

Except Kirsten Dunst as MJ. Easily the worst love interest in any Spider-Man movie.

@@The_Phantasm Eehhhh… Maybe its a nostalgia crush but she plays this version of MJ pretty well to me. Hard to erase a hot redheaded Dunst from my 12yr old memory lol

@@videovoidtv For me it's Emma Stone every time. A significantly superior character I might add.

Only raimi can give a fun and lighthearted movie some violent action scenes and make it believable

Yeah. It has a good balance of humor and seriousness. You can tell how natural the humor is, and that the movie doesn’t have to stop for a funny moment.

That's a really good insight. I get it

Yeah she figures it out at the bank. Her monologue later on only really makes sense if she knows as well

It was probably when he shouted “I’m coming. Hang on!” Durin his fight with Otto. I the camera pans to her and she has this look on her face that makes me feel like that was when she knew.

I think that moment is when Peter yells HANG ON!!! The way she looks it’s like she notices who’s voice that is and from that moment on she knows least my opinion

it’s also because she watched MCU stuff first and those are not stylised at all. Raimi actually made a movie that nailed feeling like a comic book.

Raimi’s style is cheesy and corny. That’s probably what he wanted, to make it feel more like a comic book

Most people think that tbh, they expect it to be TDK or current MCU super serious stuff so when they see how eccentric and full of life it is, people are like ‘omg it aged so badly😂😂’

These movies being cheesy doesn’t make it bad. Certain effects are outdated, but that doesn’t detract from the film overall. They’re cheesy, but in a good way!

I mean it can be cheesy even if it's an intentional style tho.

The novelization of this movie is downright cruel about it; Peter keeps hallucinating Uncle Ben in his mind criticizing him whenever he has thoughts about quitting or even taking a day off.

That's why this is the perfect cinematic version of Spider-Man. Every single decision he has to make is between a normal life and being a hero. And he bears the cost of that decision, no matter how heavy it becomes.

And one that just occurred to me is that he never told aunt May about his involvement with Ben's death. And I do not blame him for that incident it was not his fault at all but we know what kind of kid Peter is and exactly how he would probably internalize that guilt

Nah, earlier in the movie Otto said "something as complicated as loved shouldn't be kept inside, it will make you sick", then he started loosing his powers right after MJ told him she was seeing someone and loose them all when he founds out she's getting married. PTSD should be a factor but not in this story

@@kristol569 I'm sorry but you don't get to pick and choose which traumatic experiences give you PTSD, this story can be about him bottling it up but also embrace that he does have a lot of pent up trauma that he hides under the mask of Spider-Man that he doesn't deal with emotionally. It's all right there in the movie, just because there isn't a special line addressing it and pushing it directly in your face doesn't mean that it isn't obviously happening, this is a culmination of things for sure as it would be for any human being. From the beginning of the movie we're shown that his life is a stressful brutal mess so those are also factoring into him losing his powers, bro gets shit on at every turn in this movie and you mean to tell me that none of it matters at all and is just in the movie to waste time because the only thing that matters is that he's losing his powers because he's not telling MJ that he loves her? Like think about that for 5 minutes. It's pretty much the equivalent of saying Peter Parker is only Spider-Man because Ben died and that after Ben died he isn't motivated by any sense of morality or righteousness he's just Spider-Man because Ben died that's all it can only be that because we watch Ben die and then he becomes Spider-Man right after, it's a completely lacking assessment that omits a bunch of stuff

It’s a combination of everything happening in his life I’d say it’s more like constant anxiety.

ikr

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I know this is kinda a random aside but, did you become a filmmaker? (or currently still wroking towards it even!).

@@Wolfer1OOO I wish! 😅 I'm just a RU-vidr (I guess haha) with the hopes for reaching that goal someday, I'm working on it :)

I seem to be the only one who cried during that scene

Can't wait for Doctor Strange 2

Before The Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson directed B-movie horror.

It’s what dc has been doing with their movies recently

What? I've seen plenty of superhero movies where this is applicable, they do tend to re-use the same male lead quite often though.

@@TheSchnieder6 I don’t think you understood what I meant I was referring to something that’s not exactly RU-vid friendly and it has to do with this 🍆 💦

"There are no coincidences" -Master Oogway

im gonna assume you're Indian

@@BootyWonka no he is muslim more clearly this is expected from em cuz they dint get to see women in good dresses so check other women like that and make these sort of jokes

She's not much of a critical thinker.

Women moment

And all three movies have Bruce Campbell. Hail to the King, baby.

He hired a new cinematographer ( Bill Pope ) that's why this movie and 3 look so damn good compared to the first.

@@stephensporman8206 Yeah, getting the guy who shot The Matrix (and who'd later do films like Scott Pilgrim and Baby Driver) is a sure-fire way to make your film look amazing

Not a fan of the cheesy description. Calling the more light-hearted and exaggerated moments cheesy implies that it's bad and is a disservice to how well made and well written this movie is. You can say a lot of things about the hospital scene, but calling it cheesy hardly fits at all. Plus, the line where Harry says "he humiliated me by touching me" fits him perfectly. I don't see anything wrong with it. Cheesy is not the right word.

@@reinerbraun2934 it’s some premium blue cheese.

@@reinerbraun2934 Maybe why you can't see cheese is cause you say things like ' a character saying cheesy lines, is just how they say things".

RIP Laura Ziskin

@@Zombiesnyder13 gone too young, she truely produced an iconic trilogy

"The greatest thing marvel has produced"? Really? Not even close.

I bet far from home is your favourite Spider-Man movie😂😭

@@atifahmed6036 Oh God no. It's Into the Spider-Verse AKA the best Spider-Man movie. Why would you make an assumption like that?

Also, that shot of Doc Ock sinking at the end is entirely CG. It looks pretty damn good for 2004.

I suppose by 'cheesy' she's probably more noting that its very over-the-top or eccentric. And it certainly is. But that's Raimi's voice. His penchant for extremely stylized, zany idiosyncratic violence is unmistakable. He certainly has that 'energy' to his filmmaking.

Another “reactor” with nothing interesting to say. Once she mentioned some guy saying it was “more cheesy” and started saying it immediately, I knew she’d say it every scene lmao

@@Taz-yr6xd that's basically what happened. As soon as she heard from her bf perspective that it was only gonna get cheesy she immediately just started labeling everything cheesy lol

@@emberrose327 What do you expect from the newer generation? MCU = good, Raimi = bad. It's annoying.

Not sure what a film made in the early 2000s was supposed to feel like.

I agree with this! Raimi knows when it's time to do drama, action, horror, and comedy in this film. It just works really well.

That happens in the animated series. In the comics he gets it during Secret Wars.

@@The_Phantasm that’s right. My bad

In comics he brings back a gem that attaches onto him and turns him into the Man-Wolf.

I appreciate your work kyle

Thank you for bringing this up. Edit: So I made a joke that inadvertently turned out to be in bad taste.

All my homies hate Avi Arad

@@jacobd1984 thank you, but just so you know, Laura Ziskin died in 2011

Yeah that happening at the end of NWH almost made me physically ill lol.

I recently re-watched this trilogy and I just realized how long the scenes with aunt May are. They're not short at all, it's a full blown conversation each time, and it's great. They really make the move better! I'm so glad they took the time to have something just...play out as it normally would. It's what they did with the trilogy on a whole now that I think about it, the pacing is what sets it apart from newer action movies, including the MCU.

@@bassmunk the quiet, long conversations with May are gems. When I think of the trilogy, I don't think of the action, I think of the moments that are heartfelt, and most importantly human. May's scene in 3, "You start with the hardest part... You forgive yourself" hits way too close to home for me, and is a standout moment in all of comic book movie history. The movie itself is a little messy, but it has fantastic moments

One of the few critisisms about this movie is the fact that he loses he's powers because of his emotions which always took me a little out of the movie. Another issue with the movie is that the arms want to rebuilt the machine. I mean why would they want to do that? They're sentient objects, it doesn't make any sense. Also another problem is Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. Out of all the love interests in all Spider-Man movies, she is easily the worst one. I never liked her interpertation of the character nor did I like the fact that every film in the trilogy had to end with her having to be rescued.

@@The_Phantasm I can understand the arms making Ock to make the machine criticism, but I believe the movie explained the reason for Peter losing his powers with the line Otto said to Peter, "If you keep something as complicated as love stored up inside, it can make you sick." It wasn't until Pete was able to let go of MJ and let her be with someone else that his powers finally returned. And I can also understand the MJ criticism, but in this movie if you look at from her perspective, her "best friend" keeps flaking and is turning out as a worst friend. Plus she doesn't have to wait for him, it's her right as a person. Her being captured only became an issue for me in 3, and I had heard Sam Raimi didn't want to make her the damsel again, but was told he had too.

@@SpartanShepard Honestly, him losing his powers feels too much like screenwriter trickery and even though the movie has a man with the powers of a spider fighting a guy with mechanical tentacles, that particular detail is a bit too big of a leap. As for MJ, her having to be rescued again doesn't change the fact that the way Kirsten plays her comes off as irritating.

That's because they used more practical effects

@@Zombiesnyder13 yup

@@Zombiesnyder13 You do know that it was Alfred Molina's request for the tentacles to be CGI in No Way Home right? The whole process was extremely difficult for him back in 2004 with all the puppeteers and choreography whereas in No Way Home he said he had a blast and without the extra weight he was able to be a lot more expressive with his body, something which as an actor is very important.

Idk, spiderman 3 is actually my fav one because of new golbin, venom, and black suit spidey

You do know that it was Alfred Molina's request for the tentacles to be CGI in No Way Home right? The whole process was extremely difficult for him back in 2004 with all the puppeteers and choreography whereas in No Way Home he said he had a blast and without the extra weight he was able to be a lot more expressive with his body, something which as an actor is very important.

@@The_Phantasm And they still looked fantastic. CGI if done correctly can be a perfect replacement for CGI. In plenty of cases I think CGI can actually be utilized better. Now when it’s used too much, then there’s often a problem.

@@xxminecrafthype443 My point exactly. Thank you. I mean imagine if Thanos was just Josh Brolin with makeup and prosthetics. It would take you out of the movie.

Guy named Motto Moctavius winds up with 8 limbs. What are the odds?

@@xxminecrafthype443 that’s what I always say both if used properly can work beautifully together but if one was overdone then it’s a problem

Everything is cheesy apparently with this chick.

She can be a bit of an Idiot from time to time

I feel like he could have just told Harry that it was the Goblin that killed his dad without revealing that the two were the same person. I mean, the Goblin already killed the rest of the Oscorp board so why not just say Norman was a victim too?

And she couldn't read it.

@@The_Phantasm Dude not even close

@@The_Phantasm Jesus Christ your right no need to ruin the moment

@@The_Phantasm "I think x is objectively better" is an objectively self-contradicting sentence. That said, I do think MCU>>Raimi, but, I can see why people love the Raimi films

Nah the first one is better and i Think No Way Home but its really close

@CYB3R2K30 Dude, as good as this movie is, it's dated and don't act like it's perfect and doesn't have any plot holes as well. Not to mention the relationship with Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane who is one of the worst love interests in any comic book movie.

@@films_djp she already saw it, the video premier isn't a live reaction

Isn't the play she's in 'The Importance of Being Earnest'? If so your comment is doubly apt :)

I agree with you!

I wouldn’t say the Dark Knight itself falls under this, rather the films trying to emulate the Dark Knight’s gritty style and tone without actually replicating its writing, direction, cinematography, etc.

Thankfully Kevin Feige swooped in with Tom Holland to save the day after TASM 2.

Yeah it was unnecessary from her to call this movie cheesy so many times, it ruined the reaction for me a little bit.

@@anouar3194 Same

The general consensus is that The Dark Knight is number 1, however Spider-Man 2 isn't quite that high. Logan, Into the Spider-Verse, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame all exceed it.

@@The_Phantasm no.

@@dkroy9978 Could you elaborate?

@@The_Phantasm NO PUNK, THEY DONT EXCEED ANYTHING. BEAT IT