The thing that finally made it click for me that the modern writers for Spider-Man just seem to genuinely hate him, is when I saw the comic where Peter legitimately prays for God to just not make his life so terrible, and then I saw the comic where Miles got bullied, so Iron Man went to go break the dude’s spine, because “everyone likes Miles”. It gets harder and harder to believe that the people in charge of the Spider-Man IP aren’t trying to explicitly step on the toes of the legacy that allows them to even have a job. Like, I feel like there would be basically zero issues if Miles had a different Superhero name, and operated in a different city. Like, no one had an issue with him when he was explicitly from a parallel world, and thus, would always have to part ways if he and Peter ever crossed paths, so they could both remain separate, and not ruin the solo act of being Spider-Man, but they just couldn’t help themselves, and not only made Miles and mainstay, but have explicitly set him up as the person that is GOING to take over as the solo Spider-Man. Like, people will always tell me that I have no reason to complain about this, because this type of thing happens in comics all the time, like with how there are multiple Flash’s, multiple Robins, and multiple Green Lanterns, to which I always respond “Yeah, and that’s why literally none of those characters you just listed have ever been popular enough to have a successful solo film, while Spider-Man/Peter Parker is one of the most universally recognized fictional characters in human history.”
White guy with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Umm yes they LITERALY do hate the character peter parker. They blame him for systemic this or that while he holds together the world they stand in up.
Whenever somebody brings up the whole "multiple Flash/Green Lanterns/Robins" rebuttal, I always just tell them that Spider-Man is tied to Peter Parker; where those other superhero titles are just mantles. So, having multiple Spider-Men simultaneously in the same universe feels weird. Same goes for having multiple Batmen
When you think DC, you think Batman and Superman, if you think of Flash, it's always barry or the other one. Anyone else is not much Marvel, you think Spiderman, he's recognizable, of course miles is to xwnd all because he's black
It's my favorite as well. He nailed his personality immediately. Even from the first few issues, Spider-Man was already very good. You really understood the struggles of Peter Parker and his persistence.
That's why people adore the Raimi movies they are litteraly Stan and Steve's stories brought to the big screen cheesiness and all, that's why they are still the greatest Spider-Man movies of all time
@@johnrockyryan That's a balant lie. Don't get me wrong, they are amazing, but the Sam Raimi movies differ so heavily from the Ditko/Lee era, & they are way more based on the Ultimate Comics & SPECIALLY the 90's cartoon
AS SOMEONE WHO REALLY LIKES MILES & THE SPIDER-VERSE MOVIES, I have to actually agree with you, The whole spider-verse concept kinda ruins the point of Spidey being a Street Level Hero +I kinda hate how the Spider-Verse fanboys say Those movies created that animation style, when that style has existed way before those movies wete even a thing, Heck, they only have that Style because Tron Uprising's creator, Alberto Mielgo, wanted to use that ALREADY EXISTING style in a Super Hero Project
Ykw, I’m glad that despite your personal opinions, you’re able to look at contradictory perspectives to your own and show a little critical thinking. Respect 🫡😎
Not only did they not create the style, they literally fired Mielgo, took his previous work on the film and based the entire look of the movie on it. They only kept a few frames of his work in the first film. I like entertainment as much as the next guy, but that really irks me and has diminished my enjoyment of the series.
The MCU spider man is literally written like Miles Morales in the ultimates. Miles literally was donated and given his signature spider man suit from Shield. In the MCU, Peter is donated a suit from Tony Stark. Which Tony starks makes and manufactures weapons for S.H.I.E.L.D. And Miles was even donated Peter Parker’s web shooter from Aunt May. Miles Morales never builds his own suit nor never builds his own web shooters. Everything is donated to him and him not learning to be his own man or having his own state of identity.
Miles morales suit is not really original either consider the black and red color scheme can be trace back from the cover of The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) Issue 188 and then Another Cover in issue 401 drawn by Mark Bagley for the cover. So Miles Morales is a tact on diversity push character. And Brian Michael Bendis is notorious for Political stuff like this. Including making IronHeart, Luke and Jessica Jones being a Thing.creating Naomi for DC comics just to name a few.
If you actually paid attention to Civil War and Homecoming. Peter made his own suit, and his own webbing using chemical elements from his school. His idolization of the avengers also mirrors the old comics when peter was a mega fan of the fantastic four and wanted to be on that team.
@@isomericgamer6644 bro no, he wanted to be with the Fantastic four to make money for helping Aunt May. This was in The Amazing Spider Man issue issue 1 Part 3. March 1963, Spider-man vs the Chameleon!. And Peter Parker says:"Say;Why Didn't I think of it before? There's the Way I can Make some Money...by joining the Fantastic Four!". He was not a super Mega Fan. He was a Casual fan. But The FF thought he was an intruder. And Literally in two pages. Spider-Man was Toying and Mocking with the FF. And decided he would not join the FF. Also Spider-Man addressed to FF that Number 1. he wanted to be a Member of FF. 2. He wanted to show case his ability to them. 3. Spider-Man says :" So Now, Let's get down to business....How much does the job pay?"I figure I'm worth your top Salary!". SUSAN Storm say:" Afraid you made a mistake, Spider-Man! We're a Non Profit Organization!. Reedd Richard says:" we pay no salaries or bonuses!any profit we make goes into scientific research. "we just keep enough money to pay our expenses! Every other cent goes into developing the most effective super-crime-fighting apparatus we can create!"
Finally someone who actually BOLD enough to say that theres a mountain of problem in the modern Spider-man potrayals. I always said this to my friends and other communities but they straight up denied it and saying that Im a racist for not liking Miles, but the actual problem not in Miles but in how they reduce Spider-Man's urgency close to nothing. Spider-Man appeal not in how big the threat is, nor how many they r, nor the team up with other heroes. Its how he struggling with personal life and Superhero life. That's why Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 is the best Spider-Man movies to date bc how good they approach this problem. Insomniac Spider-Man doing a good job for it but blew it when they bring up Miles in the spin off and sequel. Good Superhero movies doesnt have to be on a cosmic or multiverse level, seeing the hero struggling with their own life is one recipe too. Thats also why I still loves Netflix Daredevil series. It kills me how Disney butchered him, but well just pretend that doesnt exist. These two, Spider-Man 2 and Daredevil, are my favorite Superhero show to date. As for now there's no hope for a good Spider-Man potrayals in modern media as long as Multiverse exist and Miles ofc. Rewatching these old media is the only way ig.
Geez. I like Miles. And I was once even a fan of the Spiderverse concept. But, you aren’t wrong. Spider-Man was special because he was one of a kind. Now, the Spiderverse made it feel like he’s just one of many drones who all have the same exact story, or something similar.
If he was a drone, then he wouldn’t stop fought 2099 to stop the canon event. But he did, canon events are wrong, and they will likely be revealed to be wrong in the 2 part.
@@daryltor7608yeah that's right miles isnt a drone but Peter he is. Don't worry Miguel is also the special super bad ass Spiderman. While Peter is a fat pathetic loser and then a irresponsible father in a pink outfit to make him look stupid.
@@bigjawline9235 Yes and no, yes in how the society is making all these unique people and making them in to ‘cops’, no because Gwen and her band are going to do something about it. It’s gonna be revealed in the next one.
I thought the central theme of Spider-Man was "giving one of your most popular love interests a creepy as fuck relationship with the most punchable man ever put on a comic page for the sake of cheap dramabait is preferable to giving fans what they actually want" . Oh, wait. That's just modern Spider-Man, carry on.
@@user-ei5jn5wc9j I mean they did just killed peter and introduced a black character. It's obvious people would have been mad because it feels like an agenda rather than wanting to tell a story (and also that peter in the main books was also killed by octavious so yeah)
@@The_Troidno the first issues of ultimate miles just sucked his character was boring and even his side characters sucked so they decided to bring back peter into the mix to atleast bring back one thing people liked about the ultimate spider man comics
@@user-ei5jn5wc9j What really happened is that they tried, but he wasn't popular. His comic were full of "What would Peter do?", Combined with Bendis' Writing, it's just a slog to go through. Then Marvel decided it was a Mission to push the character everywhere.
He was once my favourite character and he kinda is but the way he is treated has almost made me give up on him. Honestly have up in him after Dan slotts run and hoped it would get better but whenever check in on it, it's just worse then before I'm sick of him jobbing to every single villain and having an arc where is tortured and killed and brought back to live to be killed again and again for a supposed sin he committed to no pay off. Also of course dangling Mary Jane and Peter getting back together again just to cuck Peter one more time.
To this day I don’t understand why they didn’t just use a new character, look at static & invincible they remind people of Spider-Man while standing on their own feet.
Static is DC and the other one isn't Marvel either so they can't use the Spiderman name. Marvel is using the Spiderman name instead of making a brand new character because they can and it's a name that sells
@@HoneyMike Yes I know both characters are not owned by marvel, but they kind of both have similarities or a Spider-Man esc “feeling” to them. So if marvel did want a minority Spider-Man static is literally the closest without being a blatant copy & actually being unique. And yeah names sell but look at how many things in the MCU casual viewers didn’t know about & love. 1% of people knew who the guardians of the galaxy were.
@@derrickjohnson4952 guardians came out at a time when the MCU was just making hits but that was a long time ago now studios would rather take something with a recognizable name and try to change it to what they want to make
It’s literally a “thanks Obama” moment. Miles would never have been a thing if the race baiting hadn’t kicked into overdrive during 44’s presidency. So not only did they need a new young black character, they needed one at the expense of an established white one
I think the superhero that got the worst case of “updating to fit the new era” is Superman. I mean, just look at how many of those “Evil Superman” these days compared to the actual good Superman. The media has become too cynical to the point that now they consider Lex Luthor to be right, which is against the point of Superman.
The same thing with Captain America. In the movies, he's portrayed as a guy who constantly has to question his morals and ways. He even ended up quitting being a hero to live with his dead girlfriend. That isn't Captain America. That's why I like Cap in Avengers EMH. He never backs down, always followed his beliefs, and was a symbol of hope and spirit. Just like what Superman used to be. I hate when they try to change Cap, Superman, and Spider-Man. Those old stories are timeless.
I really like the spider-verse movies, their style and presentation is unmatched, but you've convinced me to really want the old Spider-Man back, he seems like someone to look up to instead of the "lol that's totally me" spidey of today
@@SaltyCalhounnot really, that only happened like 2 times compared to what there doing for the most part is just turning it into a partner ship. Miles coexisting along side peter, not pass the torch, there literally sharing the spot light together, they made a new book called the spectacular spider “men”. Miles and peter exist in 616 and not really replacing one another, and same in the games, also peter didn’t quit he just took a break which logically make sense, I mean miles is there why not let him do the heavy lifting for a while until Peter can steadily get back on his feet. The only time miles replace peter was in the 1610 comics which isn’t canon to main material of marvel, and lol peter in 1610 end up coming back any way and existing along side miles as both Spiderman and partnering up. And the other time Peter was replaced was in the movie when blonde hair peter Parker died.
The problem with Ben Riely wasn't that it's wrong for Peter to pawn off his responsibilities as Spider-Man to someone else. In fact, Peter leaving to be a full time dad was a "great responsibility" arc, and one that worked well for the character as the MC2s premise. Rielys problem (and this applies to Miles to honestly) is he just wasn't Peter Parker. Not really. Not even if you try and sell your audience on the idea Peter was the Clone all along. It doesn't matter. Peter is the one we've been reading the continuous canon of for 30+ years. Peter's the one who got married, who rustled with the symbiote, who held the Captain Universe powers, who dated Black Cat, who visited a terminally I'll kid in the hospital, who stopped Juggernaut in cement all by himself because he had to, who begrudgingly accepted Kingpin taking power again alongside Daredevil because of the way the gang wars panned out. Try and swap to another completely new character with totally unrelated supporting cast from the world building were invested in and it causes a huge disconnect for the reader. And trying to present this new Spider-Man as the "real" one was just a insult on top of the injury and trying to get rid of Peter Parker and retire him, making current day readers from the 90s resent Riely at the time. Today we look back and realize he was a great character and maybe we lost a lot of good potential from him.
The real Peter Parker is the guy who was about to be crushed while drowning, but pushed through because he knew he had to. Now, he is the opposite of that. Nowadays, he'd probably give up after this.
@@bowserbreaker2515 now that moment actually would be canon for Ben Riely if he were not the Clone from the beginning. Or even if he is a clone, he would remember lifting that rubble and water off his back, as it predates Peter even meeting Gwen, much less Professor Warren
I like Miles but I always thought Peter and Miles both being active at the same time was dumb especially with sharing the name. I know the main reason is marketing. It's the same reason why we got 2 wolverines and Batmen at the same time.
Yup, Miles should be like Terry Mcginnis or Wally West , Becoming the Hero when the Original pass away, Not Like Nightwing & War Machine, Being Around when the OG is right there
@Glitchedpixel5 batman was actually 'gone' for a while and Dick took up the mantle, the comic where Damian was introduced was actually Dick Grayson Batman
@@ArcTrooperRod-269isn’t that what miles is and originally was, he was and still to this day a legacy character. In both the original comics and movies miles become Spiderman after peters death but due to fan’s request and whining they bring him back and when the ultimate universe die, they brought the 2nd good thing from that universe into the main continuity, aka miles morales. Also u do relies that Wally west, Barry and jay garrick shared the mantle of the flash, while also coexisting along side each other. Hell as of rn Barry and Wally west are both the flash. In the same verse.
I really don't like the way marvel has been portraying spider man and Peter Parker in the latest movies, ganes, etc, he is incompetent, dumb or dependent on the others help and still fails. But I like when Peter has these happy moments, like when he and Mary Jane had a kid, because the reader knows he earned it.
@@andreserra6356 I mean, HULK & Iron Man APPEAR IN ALL EPISODES of Avengers Assemble, & in how many times in this show His recurrent characters like Rhodey or Betty appear? 0
@@ArcTrooperRod-269I loved Cap and Spidey's episode in Avengers Assemble. I love that cap was so impressed with Spidey he made him the leader of the back up Avengers despite wolverine being there and making a cameo in caps origin story as a member of his military squad. Like cap was like my old military buddy who I know is great and all but this kid I found is much suited leader lol.v
Hell yeah, anything 2010 and onwards is not SpiderMan anymore. Sony's SpiderMan is a rare exception (just the first one) and spiderman shattered dimensions (so good) completely forgot about that one lmao
@@comicbookking3446 thanks for reminding me about Shattered Dimensions, can't comment on the other ones you mentioned haven't seen them and won't hate on them blindly.
In the spider verse movies Peter is made into a fat pathetic loser who miles easily defeats by accident even and there is a scene where miles looks at Peter disgusted as Peter eats a burger like a pig. It's okay the redeemed Peter by putting him in a stupid pink outfit and making him an irresponsible father taking his child across universes where she could be lost or put in danger @@comicbookking3446
I don't necessarily agree with the notion that other Spider-Men should be non-canon, but I *do* think that they should be used sparingly or at least primarily as Elseworlds comics. Making the multiverse into Spider-Man's thing is absolutely a misstep. I also agree that the whole "canon event" thing is a bad idea, but I'm hoping that the premise of Movie 3 is at least intending to challenge the notion that every Spider-Man has a mandatory amount of suffering they have to endure.
intelligent well reasoned argument. I feel like an old man yelling at clouds when i complain about how peter got screwed. funnily enough i subbed because of your video on the hulk getting screwed .
15:06 and this is what is wrong with games and movies today. YES, you don’t need powers to be a superhero, but that means you can’t just approach a situation the same way that someone with powers would. That means you are NOT going to take on a crowd of people, even if you have a taser.
But if u have special government training u would be able to sneak around especially if u are 100 times more familiar with the area or have special equipment made specifically to capitalise on the enemy's weakness
When spider-man homecoming came out and i watched it i thought "damn they turn Peter into Miles" and at that time not many people knew about Miles and definitely less in my country. They give him fat, smart, asian friend who literaly looked one to one like Miles friend Ganke, he helps him with crime fighting lioke Ganke, they made that Tony watches over him and made him suit and he preparing him to become part of the Avengeres, like in the comics Nick Fury watched over Miles, gave him the suit, wanted that he became the Avenger. And for me MCU spider-man not Peter Parker but a race and name swapped Miles. In the MCU movies he always needs help, he always makes his friends and loved ones be a part of his super hero life without consequences Aunt May discovers that Peter is Spider-man, she likes it and supports him SHE LITERALY THE ONE THAT GAVE HIM THE SUIT TO ANOTHER COUNTRYWHILE HE WAS IN A SCHOOL TRIP she wants him to be Spider-man she doesn't scare about him, she doesn't think that it is to dangerous, no lets give the suit to my nephew who literaly fought the war to save the univers, 'dies', ressurect conveniently with all his friends, loved ones and other people he knew and nobody scared for him, not even him that much. I grew up with 90s and spectacular cartoons and Sam Raimi movies my spider-man doesn't need help of people without powers because he hepls them not other way, my spider-man doesn't need help with science from friends, he smart enough, or when he doesn't he goes to real scientist like Connors, my spider-man afraid that people around him discovers his identity because he would put them in danger or simply made them worry about him. And the problem is in modern spider-man universes they made him look more like Miles and Miles more like Peter. I dislike Miles he is not original like Miguel O'Hara or even like Ben Reily who literaly Parker clone, his powers is to OP and he never uses them, his entire point is i'am like Peter but black, especialy after games and animated movie. In comics when his uncle dies he is afraid that he can become like him in the movie his uncle who helped kill his spider-man, who tried to kill him, and he knew he is just a kid, HE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM TO KILL A CHILD, but he has a problem to kill his nephew, no shit. And his uncle in second movie portrayed like a good uncle with problems, are you shitting me the man who helped kill spider-man and wanted to kill a child is worthy to paint a wall in his honor f off.
0:44 While I do prefer "With Great Power/Great Responsibility," I don’t mind these other versions (aside from Madame Web). In the original comic, the line isn’t said by any character but is spoken by the narrator (AKA Stan). So all these new versions need to do is convey the general message, which they do (aside from Madame Web).
This guy is literally me. I’ve been saying this for years and everyone been trying to make me sound crazy. I’m old enough to remember a time where “organic webbing” was controversial now nobody has any standards anymore. Modern spider-man sucks. Most IPs feel like intellectual hand-me-down to a clumsy uncaring sibling; you want them to enjoy it but you know they will mess it up and not take care of it.
@@kwayneboy1524 if everyone started eating 💩 and that became the standard would you be saying the same thing? They could easily create new stuff BASED off of the IPs they are bastardizing like people use to do back in the day: Static Shock/ Invincible (Spider-Man / Nightwing), GOT / Zelda (LOTR) and the countless heroes Superman inspired. To can have your standards but when you fundamentally mess up something to the point of alienating the ones that got you to the point of success then you failed and are a sellout.
@@Ignoreduser but this isn't as cut and dry as that concept as some folks are fine with certain stuff like organic webbing or Peter not being too much of a prick as the 60s or junk like spider verse and ect. When it comes to new ideas with an IP some will like and some will not, standards aren't the same when comes to something like this with people. I'm not much of a fan of some of the spider-man comics but I think it has it's moments and stories thay I like along certain ideas that peak my interest. We both have standards just not the same so who's to say which is higher or lower?
@@kwayneboy1524 we do have both have standards, fair enough. But I’m under the firm belief that characterization/ details in fiction matters as much if not more than they do in nonfiction. As a creator myself if pains me to see a character I cherish become something fundamentally different from their source. I don’t mind little changes but character breaking ones aren’t it. Also turning something into something it’s not is wrong and possibly leading to the destruction of a fandom or hobby is not cool either.
@@LucasBR702But it's true. Bro even though Marvel really wants to make Miles the brand new permanent Spider-Man, they contradict themselves by literally marketing him as Spider-Man: Miles Morales, because despite what some people say, Peter Parker is the one who is affiliated with Spider-Man. Miguel O'Hara is marketed as Spider-Man 2099 Ben Reilly is Scarlet Spider And in universe they openly acknowledge that they are not to be confused with the OG.
@@LucasBR702 I see nothing wrong with that argument, it’s just a thesis statement to get across the point. And if they don’t expand further then they just are bad at making arguments. Miles Morales is a fine character, but he really should be distinct from Spider-Man. If not with an original name, then just acknowledge that he is Miles, and not the true and definitive Spider-Man. Just as Batman is Bruce Wayne, and Iron Man is Tony Stark, Spider-Man is Peter Parker. And when someone else fill the role, it is acknowledged as unique and difference. Terry McGinnis might be Batman, but in his own run during Batman Beyond, and Miles should be the same.
So my take away from this is Raimi Spider-Man is the best adaptation. The good news is they can never take that away from us. Just have to hope if Spider-Man 4 ever happens it avoids these issues.
The best Spider-Man adaptations are the 1994 cartoon, Spectacular, and the Raimi films. They were all made by people who understood Spider-Man. That's why the best adaptations of comics are cartoons. They were made by people trying to make something good, not just trying to cash in on the "general audience" like the MCU.
@@GJikok The first movie was just a kid figuring himself out and trying to make things right. The second movie was about how all this stuff is a destined, cosmic event that has to happen no matter what. It cheapens Uncle Ben's death. Originally, Ben dies because Peter didn't take action. Now, it's Ben has to die and will no matter what.
Idk why they just can't use all these characters to make new super heroes instead of copying already made ones. Aside from the problems copying causes narratively, isn't a new hero just.. inherently better? Why would you want to just waste all your time making something you already have when instead you could use Miles Morales to make a new exciting hero with his own origins, villians, etc.
That's been going around for years my friend and honestly I think it's because if done right people will like it. Characters like Terry Mcguinis, Connor Hawke, and practically every sidekick in existence are guilty of this but fans love these characters so people feel like this is a fine concept in practice.
@@kwayneboy1524 Terry Mcguinis was created in a spinoff of a series (not original from the comics), and was a quasi-alternate universe (because of multiple futures and all that), separated enough from main to be relevant to anything. There is a reason it took more time for him to appear in the comics than Harley. Connor Hawke sucks so i dont know what to tell you there. And sidekicks have lesser relevance than mainline heroes. Thats why they are sidekicks, because, for the most part, they cant work on their own (with few exceptions like robin, and even with that, robin is almost a transitory title before the hero becomes someone else, like nightwing or red robin). Its true that this tends to happen before, but it usually was done to characters nobody cared or were losing relevance, as legacy replacements, in contrast to now were they make the replacements once the character is popular.
@@rafaelcalvaydiaz3664Debatable on with Hawk is bad but that's irrelevant as he did the same thing Miles has done. Yeah now the role of Robin is a hand me down position but it wasn't originally as Robin was a identity that belonged only too Richard Grayson. Heck DC was super hesitant towards turning him into Nightwing too the point that they made Jason Todd into a rip off version of Grayson and when they mad him different the fans hated him. Why else do you think each male Robin has jet black hair? True but that's how things are now things change and ideas change and now every identity is a hand me down heck even The Flash is a hand me down one.
@@rafaelcalvaydiaz3664 my point is that comics have always done this for years and will continue to do so. Isn't Batman and Flash a Legacy title? I mean they dedicated a whole storyline about that for Bruce and in main canon Jay seems to have been the Flash of earth prime before Barry. True but that's up too the writers and so far they all seem to prefer using the legacy character trope but that's how things are now and we can't do much about aside from complain. It worked decently before with the others and because of that comics are trying to recreate that fluke. Like it or not it's here to stay.
@@rafaelcalvaydiaz3664 I was referring to Grayson as Batman and why would it not be the best moment to do that? And what of characters like Ben Riley and Cain?
Miles has no identity, everything he has belongs to Peter, he doesnt even has his own gallery of villains!! Disney/marvel can pretend all they want that miles is popular, but he will never beat Peter, and I'm not even a spiderman fan
In miles recent comics he is starting to get more original villains and even he shares the villains peter has his stories make the D list heros more interesting n engaging wit the plot miles has a different background different upcoming different struggles
@kwayneboy1524 Batman beyond was miles better than Miles , he is not just some random nobody who was luckily to be bitten by a genetically modified spider , Batman beyond literally earned the suit and the main reason he did that was to avenge his father and not just that they literally made his story related to Bruce Wayne especially the part where he was his clone or his son and he worked hard to earn their respect and he had his own villains like the jokerz gang , that radioactive CEO who was responsible for his father's murder who is blazing Skull , Inque , Mad Stan and he did share some Batman villains . Miles had no character development or whatsoever every game he is in ' I HaVe To Be My oWn tHiNg"
Remember in Spider-Man vs Wolverine: High Tide where: •Spider-Man found Sophie and Burt dead in their shop by a mysterious professional. •Peter quit being Spider-Man for a short time and ditched his black costume when he was accused and shot at by the authorities and his whole love denial with MJ. •Peter Parker seeing Ned Leed dead with his throat slit when they got too close in a report in West Berlin involving the KGB. •Peter Parker asking for a store owner for a black costume but he only had his classic red and blue one, where Parker thought in his mind “I just want to die.” •Going through a minefield and getting set up by Wolverine in the wrong locations. •Gets involved with Logan’s business with Charlie(not Xavier, Charlemagne, a name with too many blasted syllables). •Getting into a major fight with Wolverine over a misunderstanding where Spider-Man ends up accidentally killing Charlie by punching her. •Remains quiet after the whole ending, even hanging up on Jonah when he asked Peter “where’s Ned?” •Parker forever dealing with the thought of killing a “supposedly” innocent woman that MJ becoming his coping mechanism. Yeah, comics during the late 80’s can cook some major storylines, and I haven’t gone into the time Tony Stark didn’t tell Bruce Banner that his wife Betty had a miscarriage, Doctor Strange did eventually tell him, and that’s one of the reasons why Savage Hulk came back when he was gray for a while.
When Mary Jane comes across as more of a superhero than Peter Parker, you know the Agenda is out in force, good writing be damned. It also makes it very difficult give the storytellers the benefit of doubt when they constantly make Peter's more diverse potential Replacement outshine him.
@@GJikok Mary Jane missions (one shotting enemies that spiderman struggle with such as Kraven hunters and venom minions), and the rest of the game making peter look bad or being wrong
I am actually curious if you have any thoughts on Miguel O'Hara and the world of 2099. I think it was a fascinating thing originally, but like Spider-Man has become diluted, feeling more like just an aesthetic than a world now.
miles is another supergirl, she hulk, batgirl, spidergirl, iron heart, a clone character that has nothing to add other than desperatly trying to pander to a new demographic.
With the first 3 you mentioned, at least they are good characters in their own right even if they are clone copies. With Miles and the rest of them, they don't even have their own personality
@@abdullahfahad53 Iron Heart bothers me because Why You need her WHEN YOU HAVE WAR MACHINE & RESCUE RIGHT THERE, & they have way better chemistry with everyone
Every single character you mentioned is their own character as is Miles. Supergirl is an actual kryptonian who doesn't fit in on earth and has anger issues, she hulk has strength but otherwise is nothing like the hulk at all, batgirl is different enough and batwoman had a completely different upbringing or personality (all three versions including brave and the bold show). And spidergirl lives in a different time period if you mean mayday
Not true. Those are actually the few cases where they are NOT copies. She Hulk doesn't have Hulk's anger issues, she isn't as dangerous and powerful as him, she isn't mentally split, she's a lawer, and she has a jaded/aware sense of humour to her character. Supergirl is the more tragic, disturbed and darker/more jaded cousin of Superman. Batgirl(Barbara Gordon) is one of the many sidekicks to Batman, being the smart and sometimes out of her depth one of the group, as well as being Gordon's daughter. Spidergirl depends on which one you are referring to. Iron Heart fucking sucks. That's definitely true And yeah, Miles is definitely not good
*7:55** Let's not forget ANIMATION ASWELL, they made a whole 4 season Show to Pander the MCU-Fication of Spider-Man & the end result was so Bad that Barely Anyone remembers that Cheap & Poorly Made Cartoon*
At least Thx to that show people start to apreciate Ultimate Spider-Man 2012, may not be a perfect cartoon But at least it's a Competent & Unique Take on the character instead of a Copypaste of the films
@@azuresaiyan9005 1. It has the Best Flash Thompson, Dr. Octopus, Taskmaster & Green Goblin outside from the comics 2. DB Super Fan=Opinion Invalidated
@Braeden Alberti Thanks for making this video Im a big Spider-man fan and its bugged me a lot how mcu, the recent game, comics, movies etc have portrayed the character. I also appreciate you talking about miles and making it a point to not mention his race as an argument so no body could just blow off your critism. Because while the race thing is a fair critism it isnt the only problem with miles. For anyone interested a guy on RU-vid called emperor xero made a very good video explaining miles' creation and how he is only a tokenized character. He talks a lot about other things that are problems beside his race. Plus I appreciate Braeden mentioning other aspects of spiderman that never get talked about in critiques. Nobody ever seems to be willing to critisize Spiderman fairly or in a meaningful way since everybody has their own opinion rather than talk about the character objectively. Always love the videos and I love to learn more about the characters, it gives me some newfound appreciation.
*14:14** I don't know if you're aware but You ALSO DESCRIBED THE TERRIBLE WRITTING OF THE CW BARRY ALLEN 😂(because that bozo does NOT deserve the name of Flash)* PD. don't stop to talk, don't stop to talk, don't stop to talk, CUFF HIM, CUFF HER, CUFF THEM
That's why I liked the og Miles comic where Peter died fighting Goblin, basically forcing Miles to take up the mantle in almost the same way Peter did. Though now it isn't the same cuz of the multiverse, the concept could work if Peter dies before Miles becomes Spiderman
*6:00** Marvel's Spider-Man 2017 where the Goblin is a 40 Year Old Bully of Highschool who WEARS AN ORANGE SUIT yet calls himself GREEN GOBLIN:* _Hold My Exposition Dump_
I don't know if this would interest, but out if curiosity, I brought this video to the attention of S.K. and he and his froends made a Disagreement Day stream response to it. It coukd be interesting to hear your thoughts on that.
I'm so glad you made this. I am so sick of Miles Morales. He (as well as the entire concept of the spider-verse) is just a cheap knock-off of Peter, a much better character. The only time I liked the spider-verse was in the 90's cartoon. Why do modern Spider-Man stories hate Peter Parker? To me, one of the most interesting parts of Peter is that he can never take a break. He must be a hero, whether he wants too or not. That's why "Spider-Man No More" from the 60's worked so well. The same thing has happened to Captain America with the MCU. His classic version (which is timeless) is considered "outdated".
Remember how amazing the first game was because it had actually fucking stakes and a well written story and actual good fan service and then Insomniac mysteriously focused on Miles?
Totally agree, I hate how they’ve gotten rid of so much that made Spider-Man so great. Now he’s kind of a Generic Good Guy who has Tons of Friends who know he’s Spider-Man and help him save the day.
Finally someone says it. I think one of the worst defenses I have ever heard is from a RU-vidr (don’t remember the name, maybe I’ll add it on the edit) that made a video on whether on Spiderman and how there “is no issues with Spiderman ‘retiring’ and leaving the mantle for Miles even for a short period of time. I don’t remember the videos name, but in said same video he hypocritically turns and round and vividly criticized fans for gettin upset over the fact that they didn’t want Jessica Drew (probably got the last name wrong) from across the Spiderverse for not taking time off being spiderwoman due to the fact that she was pregnant. And his defense of this was simply that, and I quote (I think) “She can’t just give the job as Spiderman up for her baby” Firstly completely ignoring the fact that the fans criticizing her being spiderwoman as pregnant like for example the critical drinker, criticize that because it’s obviously an extremely risky thing to put an unborn child in the line of fire and combat with you. And he also forgets the fact that another time in the video he also criticizes fans for getting upset for retiring for completely logical reasons. So it makes sense for Peter to retire from being Spiderman just to have some time to reflect and live his personal life, but it doesn’t make sense for a pregnant woman to retire because her being spider woman while pregnant puts the baby in danger? Very interesting. People will say anything to defend dumb stuff like this in the new Spiderman stories. Edit: Here’s the video; ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-54ZA9w89bOA.htmlsi=PaV8Bw4HkubNhNXD
What're your thoughts on Miguel O'Hara? A Character made to be the opposite of Peter Parker on the surface level, but still coming down and showing how fitting he is as Spider-Man? I feel like some arguments for Miles will be far better if they were compared to Miguel O'Hara as an Alternative Spider-Man, rather than Peter Parker as a Mainline Spider-Man.
So I’ll argue the point of why Miles should still be around. Firstly there’s multiple spider-people that pre date miles that have similarities to Peter so saying “we’ve seen this before with Peter” can be used for Miguel and mayday for example, I’m assuming you’re only talking about him because of his popular media which is fair. Secondly I don’t agree he’ll fade out because he was decently received in the comics (at least enough to bring him in 616) and that was before the movie and games dropped, so now he’s even more popular than ever so the odds of miles being gone is next to none, he’s only gotten more popular. Thirdly you say “why should we keep miles” to see a Spider-Man grow, idk if you’ve been reading his comics but he’s grown a lot like how Peter used to. Which makes modern Pete stories worse because he’s going through the same BS that he already should’ve overcame. With miles tho we’re seeing him growing into being a better hero and person. Sure it’s not perfect and yeah you can argue Peter’s stuff is better but that doesn’t take away that miles is the only currently running spidey book where he’s actually growing (aside from the new ultimate spidey book which is 🔥 btw) at least in 616. Also side note miles can be used as the modern teen spidey for audiences while Pete would be the adult spidey. Granted that would mean you’d need to get actual good writers for Pete but at least there’s ultimate Spider-Man 😂.
You don't need a teen Spidey. Yes Peter started as a teenager but he quickly realised he needed to be more mature than his age to take on the responsibility of being a superhero. Also, he's not called Spider-Teen is he? He's Spider-Man.
@@BradLad56 yeah and when Peter was a teen he’s called spider-man I don’t see what kind of argument that is. I’m saying miles can be what Peter was but for a modern generation. He’s still growing and maturing but some people gravitate towards that school superhero life and miles was and still is like that until he goes to college. Which even then he can still be relatable for that school life audience cause college is that… just more painful 😂
@@JPmoney99 Dude.........I was a kid once and guess what? Adult Peter Parker was Spider-Man and I still liked him. I bought his comics every month because i liked him as a character. The 02 Spider-Man made bank at the box office and most of that probably came from little kids wanting their parents to take them to see it. I think you underestimate the appeal of Peter Parker to attract young fans. Why do you think it's Peter whose promoted above Miles in most of the merchandise? Because he attracts a bigger audience because of his appeal. Hell, they have slap Miles' name above Spider-Man just to remind people he exists. Also, there's big difference between Peter and Miles: Peter was created as a relatable everyman character with universal appeal while Miles was created as a political tool because Obama got into the White House. I'm not making that up either, Axel Alonso confirmed that himself since he was the one who greenlit his creation.
@@BradLad56 I never said or claimed younger audiences don’t like adult spider-men idk why you’re bringing up arguments that I never stated. Also yeah there are differences between Peter and miles which is also why miles should still be around. Idc if he’s made for political reasons, all I care about is his writing and he’s a solid character. Perfect? No. As good as Peter was? Heck no but still like a 7/10. He’s only gotten better. I was just using the point of it’s cool to have miles as the teen spider-man growing up and becoming an even better man. As well as Peter (if he was written well) as the adult spider-man living his life. I genuinely don’t know what I said here that’s wrong or why you keep putting words in my mouth. If you have a discord I’d prefer voice chatting about this because I don’t think you’re understanding my point
1. They are bad comparisons. Mayday and Miguel O-Hara are essentially long what ifs, they are in their own worlds and hardly, if ever, affect Peters life. Miles was a replacement of a well known and developed Peter, and affects the story of Mainline Peter, they are simply not comparable. 3. So he is going through the same arc as Peter did before? Seems to me that, based on your argument: "They are treating Peter worst so they can make Miles look better", which is part of his point. Sidenote: Why do we need a spider-man for a new generation? Or, if we do, why does it have to be spider-man specifically?
"If you like [the new version I just spent the entire video explaining why I dislike it], then more power to you." Everyone is always saying "more power to you", and I'm like "No. No, less power. Less power means less-dislikable-version". More power to the old version lol
Personally, I'm fine with Peter learning how to share his responsibility with others. Peter's greatest flaw has always been that he takes the lesson of "with great power comes great responsibility" too far, to the point of being self-destructive and inadvertently hurting those who care about him. You can't effectively help other people if you never take care of yourself, and Peter has had enough mental breakdowns over the years to attest to that. Thats why I wish they would just let Peter semi-retire to raise a family and mentor some younger heroes. Instead of constantly screwing him over with bullshit like selling his marriage to the devil and whatnot.
You can have Peter be married and have kids while still being Spider-Man. That actually opens the book up to many stories. The character always had a steady progression. I would say his stagnation really only started after one more day. I’m also not shocked that a lot of the new renditions of the character have come after Stan Lee died.
I don’t think Peter should retire tho. Having Peter “grow” is not a synonym for retirement. People don’t understand that when Stan Lee made Peter he wanted to make a super hero that felt real. Life is filled with sorrow. But it is also filled with joy, the early books knew this and had a good mix of both. The Stan Lee run of Spider-Man read like a soap opera. That’s why it was the best.
Yeah I always felt the great power creed is the best but I just feel that because Peter's guilt has made him take it too far too the point that he kinda feels like he's gonna self sabotage himself at times.
Alvin Sargeant (sole writer of Spider-Man 2 --the good one--) is an Oscar winning screenwriter. I mean back when the Oscars actually had the integrity to nominate actually good screenplays for the award and not any random ass dude who sucked off their political beliefs. Alvin wrote films such as Paper Moon and Ordinary People and the man is already leagues ahead of modern Spider-Man writers. What modern Marvel (or DC for that matter) writer can say they wrote films as good as Paper Moon?
I've been saying this for a very long time and not just about characters like Spider-Man. Even before the movies I started noticing that I didn't like the direction they were taking with my friendly neighborhood hero and was usually met with similar responses you've gotten whenever you've expressed your discontent. I loved Sam Rami's movies, with the exception of Spider-Man 3, but I've been hatewatching the movies that came after hoping others would wake up and see what I've seen for so many years. Thank you for making this video.
No one wants to admit it, but the real reason they’re pushing Miles so hard is because Peter is going to become public domain in only a few decades. Miles can be the new main Spider-Man for at least another century, so they’re starting early to phase Peter out by making Miles the “cooler” Spider-Man, and it’s actually working because they took the race angle with marketing him.
Just because Amazing Fantasy will be in the PD doesn't mean Spider-Man will be. He's still a protected, trade-marked character under Disney and they won't give that up. Same thing with Mickey Mouse. Steamboat Willie is in the public domain, but Mickey as a trademark is still Disney's IP.
nah; its because miles is "diverse"; if it was really about pushing another spiderman, there's a dozen spider-men that existed before miles (who was created for the "all-different all-new marvel")
The irony of you saying it’s working because they took the “race-angle” when Miles being Black/Latino was one of the biggest hurdles Marvel encountered when trying to get the fans to accept him. There was significant backlash and racism when he first appeared. He’s popular NOW because the character is well written and had two successful movies at a time where Spider-Man centric movies were less than ideal. If you’re gonna cry your fanboy tears let your tears fall where legitimate criticism lies and stop taking the “race-angle”.
I think the worst part of the multiverse is making spider-man some kind of totem through the multiverse. I love miles (his comics rn are better than Peter's) and the spider verse movies but yeah
Spiderverse movies are overrated the same way Black Panther movies are. Critics kneel to them because anything less than a perfect 10 would be racism, and normies only see the KAPOWs and BOOMs.
@@arielriquelme913TLDR; You don't need to make up a silly reason as too why don't like something just admit you have an opinion. Also saying "normies" is too silly for me. too claim that the reason why critics like it is based on a fear of being labeled as racist is disingenuous and just foolish. It's like saying "Critics only hate Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman 84 because its about a woman and their just sexist" like I get it you feel that it's good not great heck that's how I feel about alot of Batman and Spider-man media myself but you don't have to make up silly reason like this because it only sounds like you're not willing to admit your opinion is subjective. And I find just calling causal fans "normies" and using it in the sense that their just children laughing at the bright colors and actions is willfully childish(and kinda nerdy🤓👎ngl) and always reminds me of why I just stay out of comic fandom.(nothing personal just my take)
One the biggest problems I have with all the extra Spiderman's is they always just a better Peter. Examples Scarlet spider ( Ben) is a clone that was made to the original Spiderman and better then Peter was. Kaine was a clone who had evolved powers making stronger then Peter. Miles has Peters powers but stronger with invisibility, electric and better spider sense and has beaten Peter in every fight they have had. Silk has Peters powers but also has natural webshooters from her fingers and can produce different webbing and was able to easily beat an electro in her first fight while Peter got easily beaten despite never being in a real fight before. Even characters Spiderman 2099 were retconned to be stronger then Peter.
That's why I'm not a fan of multiple people having the power of spiderman it kinda dilute the uniqueness of spiderman the the mental of spiderman, the termn everyone can be spiderman is not true. That's like saying everyone can be batman but we all know that his sidekick would take the mantle of batman and the only successor of batman that's good was Terry Mcgennis and that was mostly bcs Bruce was old and retired
Man what a great video, on top of that can't believe that u put it in a Marvel Ultimate Alliance scene, really golden!! Looking forward to see your next bangers
i agree with most of it, except that the fact that miles is just Imitation Peter. His point is about literally stop trying to be the original, and that's the difference between "Be Greater" and "Be Yourself" Peter never had to get to a standard higher than himself because it never had an actual point of reference more than what uncle ben told him, but Miles had to fight with that fact in his movies and games.
That's the problem, it's only the movies that do that. The comics, he IS a weak imitation of Peter Parker. Long story short, fuck the comics Miles, and hats off to the movies
"His point is about literally stop trying to be the original" so his core idea is that he feels like a cheap copy? And when he gets over it, then what?
That's the issue the theme of "being yourself" is always pushed and said in his stories, but it never really happens. He still feels like an imitation. Compare that to Spider-man 2099 who was different from Peter right off the bat without any identity issues or attempts to "be himself"
Hello, Mr. Alberti. I've been watching your videos since last year, and I really admire your opinions. You remind me of another youtiber, Eric Carter, because you use critical thinking and drifting from popular opinion can make you be seen as a hater. I should know because I used to have that mindset. Anyway, I wanted to give an idea for possible videos if you'd be interested; Since you have proven yourself to be a fan of the comics, you could do character analysis of your favorite characters, what they mean to you, and what makes them good in your eyes. You've sort of done this before with Thor, but that was mainly an MCU critique. I am only suggesting this as a recent fan, and I believe this could lead to interesting ideas in the future.
I like old Spidey too, but I also enjoy the idea of variants. I personally prefer Superior Spiderman in terms of how he balanced his life. Using drones to survey the city while he swaps between them, all while having time and money to live his civilian life via making his own company. Obviously Green Goblin found an exploit, but all he had to do was upgrade them not throw the concept away. That in itself is him learning and adapting as Spiderman, fight smarter not harder.
I personally believe the original Sam rami and the first insomniac game for Spider Man got the story right to the best degree, the insomniac take was a bit lack luster with the “solo gig” aspect, but Pete is all round competent, with some minor flaws like his defeat when taking the Sinister Six at the prison. But his fights later on showcase his ability to use the villain’s strengths against them, and somewhat redeems his loss.
In your next video can you talk about how shows like invincible and the boys have perverted the essence of superheroes? How they’ve become too edgy or become as disgusting as regular people
I agree with your point, but Miles is really compelling alternative Spider-man. The Spider-Man 2 PS5 game was awesome, but at the end it struck me too, that if there are two spidermen, it loses the point of his shtick.
It's funny because I feel the same way about modern Static. The one big difference is at least Milestone/DC don't just look to force an another Static in order to eventually push Virgil Hawkins out the door. There's only one Static and it should remain that way. Beyond that, just about everything else that made him interesting before is changed for the sake of change with the excuse being that it's new. A lot of people don't like when I say this but Miles is only popular because he's a Spider-Man. Unlike Virgil/Static he can't stand on his own. Or if he can we can't know because Marvel won't even try
The funniest thing about the first Miles Morales movie is how the interest in Peni Parker exploded and Marvel simply refuses to do anything with her other than her comic. It'd be nice if they gave her IP to a Japanese animation studio for them to make a Peni Parker anime. That said Miles is such a non-character. Nothing about him is unique. He's just a good guy with no real reason for him to do good other than "it's the right thing to do" and can do no wrong. Doesn't help how the comic book writers just keep trying to push him as the super cool and much better Spider-Man than the actual Spider-Man just because they want to replace Peter Parker with a hip and cool new half-Black, half-Puerto Rican character.
*Miles never really appealed to me* *I don't hate him but i never truly embraced him* *I like the Spider verse movies* *But to me miles is A Spider-Man* *To me Peter will always be THE Spider-Man*
To be fair spider-verse miles and pre secret wars comic miles lived in universes where peter was dead and couldn't be spider-man similar to mayday parker who lives in a universe where peter can't be spider-man due to a major physical injury and old age Although i will say bendis era miles was a boring ass fucking character But yes the insomniac games and modern comics have a problem of the many spider people in 1 specific new york and it feels like peter can suit at any time without consequence
I've never heard this take come out before, but it's hard to disagree. Although I enjoyed the recent Spider-Man, I've always grown tired of him making the same mistakes and never truly getting a solo film in the MCU. I grew up with the old cartoons, too. But I haven't read much of the older comics. I didn't know Spider-Man had the unhinged verbal power of Dave Chapelle. Those lines were hilarious but would get him canceled nowadays.
It’s been a minute since I actually looked a little deeper and paid attention to the things you brought up but yeah, I really see it now. Infinity war would’ve only been one movie if the old Spider-Man were in it
I was the one who brought that video to their attention. These people were making in-depth videos about Spider-man amd I thoight that it would be interesting to hear what they would say about it. What did you think of that stream?
@@baki484Well, I was the one who brought that video to their attention, specifically S.K.'s, although that was more of curiosity on my behalf, since I was interested on what they'd have to say about that video.
15:59 Thats the thing, the truth is, miles has ALWAYS been a politically driven character, and anyone who can't see that simply doesn't have the insight on how modern media decisions are linked to a wider global agenda, and unfortunately, The MCU Black Panther movies are severely guilty too Here's a FANTASTIC black portrayal character who isn't politcally driven at all - Blade. One of my personal favorites and i wish there were more standalone comics coming out for him
Why is miles being black suddenly poltical and framing it like it's some sort of world takeover. Micheal bendis just wanted to make a black spiderman and did just that. What's hard about wrapping your head around it
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I know, right? But, Birdman is even worse as he refuses to listen to any criticisms of the movies and writes off any detractors as those who are different for the sake of being different. Blind loyalty is blind.
The problem is modern writers use Peter stories for miles instead of giving him new original ideas and villains. Miles should be his own separate hero in his own separate universe or area of NY, putting both Spidermen in the same area and in the same stories stilts miles as a character. Miles can definitely work on his own though and he's one of my favorite heros. I agree with your multiverse and modern Peter takes immensely though
Thank you for pointing every thought I have had awhile especially when it came to miles. This video has basically been almost every point I could think of with problems with Spidey nowadays
Miles interactions with venom are interesting, when hes far from being a generic spider-man, using daggers and stuff, he should start by getting his own super hero name, no one calls him spiderman, only miles spiderman
the nicest thing about spider-man, was his costume, anyone can identify with him, whith miles was the same stuff, until they bringed the horrible costume at the end of insomaniac 2
You nailed it. Well said. I find the Spiderverse movies entertaining, but there's always felt like there was something off about the concept of multiple Spider heroes. It cheapens Peter as a character, which isn't uncommon for a lot of heroic characters these days. So tired of race being used as a shield or justification for that. It's like that's all these "modern" creators have instead of the talent and creativity to make new characters that are actually interesting and whose visual attributes are incidental.
I always liked the idea that everyone is special in their own way. Everyone has their own identity and powerset, and Spider-Man especially is a one of a kind character. I never cared about his clones or his multiversal variants save for 2099 and Noir, so seeing the Spider-Verse and these trendy characters like Miles and Spider-Gwen really just kill my enjoyment of the character. Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, remember that Marvel? You tried teaching Tom Holland’s Peter that once.
