For many applications, yes. But, more lift can mean that there may be more modifications required to allow for brake line and sensor wire lengths and routing.
@@nickdismute6214 Extend the brake lines and any other wires that it may have depending on the application. Turn the knuckles full left/right at dropout to make sure everything is routed freely and not overextending or rubbing on anything.
I got 2007 f150 2wd i put a 2"space when i put it together the upper control arm and spring their too close it other. Looks like not safe too drive thats why i take them out.. maybe the best option like you guys did to change spindle much safer to drive....
The benefits of spindles often outweigh the added cost. But, that said, we've seen a lot of spacer lifts that allow the upper part of the spindle contact the spring during full droop, but because it doesn't touch/rub during any normal driving, it is usually not a concern.
That generation chassis was fairly brief, and we haven't seen any cost effective cast iron spindles. There is at least one manufacturer making fabricated steel spindles, but we would expect them in the $1000 range. Our supplier does not currently make them.
Thank you for the response. I had spacers for 2 months and took then out cuz I wasn't willing to sacrifice that much ride quality for the look I wanted. Spindle lifts are the way to go. Soooooo much better!! I give all the credit to this video.
why do people say it is bad to leveling kits? I have a truck and every shop is trying to sell me a suspension set which cost $1600 and I don't ride off road... mine is just a 4x2. so should I just do a leveling kit>?
Leveling kits and spacer kits biggest drawback is the reduction of suspension dropout travel. The control arms are set to a different ride height angles than they were engineered for, which can also effect ride and handling, even on the street. Depending on the make and model, upper and/or lower ball joint wear and failure can also be increased. A couple of inches usually is ok, but many 3"+ spacers can be brutal in the short and long run.
There are lift kits around 6" that use modified spindles along with drop brackets to lower other components such as the lower control arms to accommodate the axle shafts that 4 wheel drive vehicle have. 2 wheel drives are much simpler so they can use lift spindles with minimal other modifications. Lift spacers are often the cheaper and easier alternative for 4 wheel drive applications, but they are only designed to add a few inches of height.
good day I have a 2013 ram 1500 2wd it currently has a 2.5 inch spacer it looks good but it feels bad and sounds metal metal on metal I would like to know if I buy two inch springs from rough country or the spindles that you say I no longer want to struggle and drive comfortably do you recommend me?
Very likely the suspension dropout travel has been reduced and is stopping at the upper control arm/ball joint area (and check that the ball joints are not loose with the suspension unloaded. In our opinion, lift spindles are almost always a better choice for ride and being quiet if it is in the budget.
i have a 2wd 2019 ranger and want to get a spindle lift but the only thing i can find is a lift kit for a 4wd with spindles in it. would a 4wd spindle fit on my 2wd
Due to the design of the 4wd front end components, it is not possible to design a 4wd lift spindle. There are likely full suspension kits that have extended length spindles that work with the kits lower are drop brackets. Not much is easy or cheap on the 4wd chassis lift if more than just leveling is required.
So just to clarify, you CANNOT spindle lift a 4x4? I just bought a 6” lift truck and found out who the brand of the lift is because I want to lower the truck 2” but they are saying it’s impossible since it’s a spindle lift
That’s just common sense that you can’t put 2wd lift spindles on a 4wd because for one the cv axles a have to go through and there wound t be room for the front differential
These particular 09-20 2wd lift spindles will not fit any 4wd/awd application. Some other brands have much more involved spindle lift kits for 4wd, but they use a different design of extended length spindle that is used along with lower control arm drop brackets. If it is a later model F150 there are 2" drop spindles available that fit both 2 and 4 wheel drive applications.
4 wheel drive applications are a more involved design when considering their axle shaft connections and movement. Spacers are a good moderate lift option, and much more than 2-3" a full lift kits with control arm and differential relocation brackets would be required.
I want to do a 2" or 2 1/2" spindle lift on my 10th gen F150 XL 2wd. Maybe 31" tires(Factory is 29") and keep the stock 16" wheels. But I don't want my wheels to be pushed out 2 inches. I could probably live with 1". Are there any options? Also, is there anything wrong with lifting the rear the same amount as the front to keep the factory rake?
We've seen a few brands of 3" spindles for that generation. If you need less that 3" you could add a drop coil to offset the overall spindle lift. It would require another complete video to show why, but there are several physical and theoretical reasons behind the engineering requiring the wheels being offset outward a bit with lift spindles, and with that we cannot think of any brand making stock offset spindles. Lifting the rear to match the front amount is fine and can be adjusted to your personal preference for form and function.
Hello there so I had a question regarding the spacer put on the break line to relocate it how can I find it and is there a better video that c an show me how to install it safely
Spacer lifts will rarely require modification or extension of the brake lines, but most spindle lifts will require modification or extended brake lines. Most companies that distribute suspension lifts will also usually also sell or include extended brake lines that can be installed if necessary.
@@rearwheelperformance I just recently purchased a 4 inch spindle lift kit from maxtrac and I was wondering how you did it with the break line on the video it doesn’t show you installing extended break lines ?
@@guadalupezepeda2374 The hard spacers in the video are prototypes that are being long-term tested for safety and functionality, but are currently not in production. Until these are released, we recommend extended brake lines as the best way to proceed.
I heard a coilover front spacer compresses the stock spring a little bit where a spindle would not and be better? If coilover spacers do compress the spring at all, how much so for like a 3” lift? Considering getting the spindles.
There is the feeling that spring spacers will ride stiffer, but that is mostly felt over rough roads, trails and railroad track crossings. This has more to do with the reduced dropout travel from the static ride height. Spindles allow the full range of dropout and compression travel, as designed from the factory, and should be very close to the stock ride and handling.
I had strut spacers and never felt any difference on my truck at all. Not the slightest bit. It doesn’t change your spring compression. It just adds length on top of the strut. Maybe if you put the spacer that goes inside the spring where you have to take the spring off then put the spacer on and then put spring back on and it compresses your springs to lift it more. That will make it more stiff. But spacer on top of a strut you won’t notice anything at all. If there is a difference trust me. You won’t be able to notice.
Most late model trucks have pretty good front spring rates, so unless you feel they have settled too much or unevenly, you shouldn't have to replace them. Have fun!
So i have spacer lift kit on my truck and i see the upper control arm is outta wack can i get a spindle and install it and that would fix the upper control arm being so outta wack right?
If the spacer is causing the issues, then yes, removing the lift spacers, repairing or replacing the control arms and installing a spindle lift should help.
@@512juancho Sorry no, the suspension travel and geometry are the same at the connection to the control arms. Problems using a strut spacer lift with stock spindles will be the same or a bit worse on lifted spindles.
@@512juancho Yes, both will likely solve your mechanical issues, but the spindle solution will also restore the ride and handling back to near stock feeling.
Haven't tried it, but you likely can fabricate lift spacers (if yuo can't locate a ready-made kit). .25" to .75" likely would be a streetable range, and more than that would likely sacrifice ride and handling.
It can be done (stacking spindles and spacer lifts), but many manufacturers and suppliers will recommend against it. Safety related things like brake line and electrical line routing and lengths can also get more complicated. It is frequently done against the manufacturers' advice, but can work out ok when done properly.
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A 2wd spindle will not allow for a front axle to pass-through. But, there are dedicated 4wd spindle lift kits available that use a combination of a 4wd spindle and lower control arm relocation brackets.
Spacers up to a couple of inches are fine for the street. If going more than about 2 inches or for heavy trail riding you would want to make sure there is enough drop-out travel with no binding in ball joints or tie rods.
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