Wouldn't you believe it us cranked up spindle moulder today for the first time in ages and spent my Sunday knocking out mouldings. Then what do I watch for entertainment?
Add a spacer on the outfeed side of the fence to keep the bottom from rolling in. Your way works well with an auto feeder. if you are trying to do it without one the spacer really helps. You do some awesome work man.
I never used a finger board, always used a fixed board, G clamped to the spindle moulder bed. Nice Tulip wood. I always found Duffield timber was the best, for quality.
This block isnt for you... its practically muted in the videos, but you can feel the resonation from it in your chest cavity when near it, huge cutters, hence the dust being everywhere, it throws a right draft off from it, and the extraction is strong.
Binbag1010, talk about frightening, my dad worked in a joiners shop at ICI Doncaster, he was at the back of the spindle moulder when a cutter snapped, hit the machinist at the side of his mouth, came along the cheek to his ear, then buried itself 25mm into a brick wall, dad was glad he was labouring that day. Machinist back at work quite quickly, no fear at all. OLD SCHOOL!!
@@brianbostock1698jim do me a favour pull this out ! Said Mike. A shard of timber came back out of the infeed as he finished feeding in and nailed three fingers together 😮 i cant pull that out mate you’ll have to go to hospital, and they pulled it out for him, and yes back at work next day.
When I was going to furniture making classes the only piece of machinery the students weren’t allowed to operate was the spindle Moulder. I was very grateful for that as it was very scary. Cheers 🇦🇺
Thanks Jenny, its not something you want to be taught quickly. Probably best to spend time with an experienced operator taking pieces off the machine/ watching for a few days before being supervised, doing simpler stuff on one.
Thanks Ollie. The fence is a brilliant idea. Finished making mine today and although I thought I'd set it up correctly (just like yours) I'm still getting the slightest bit of snipe on the trailing end of the stock. It's a double bevel on a tambour slat so still planty of meat left on the edge but i get the slightest amount of snipe (which is really bugging me!). Thanks for the video. Cheers, David
I have hardwood fixed to my fence, so i can screw or nail a false fence of plywood to it so only the cutters and limiters project toward the work. you can then screw a relief profile(battan)to it and this lets the work ride along it. No chance of the work tipping under and into the cutters. I would also put a false bed on, so the pressure of the feed is equal along the whole run, and with thinner mouldings, it does not dip into the well. You can then use the pressure board or featherboard to push the work into the fence.( Just as you have there) A great idea to cut away the majority of material ! Another way is to run the work over the saw, cutting grooves to allow the cutter to rotate and only cut a minimal shoulder. This retains the square profile as it rides on the infeed fence, again no chance of tipping. Stay safe, great work!
Been a subscriber for some time now and still have no connection to carpentry but these are the videos I like most - you passing on your skills and knowledge which you've gained from experience. I hope your viewers "in the trade" appreciate your efforts and free advice! Keep it up Ollie!
Like the details of your macine set up videos! At college my bench was right next to the moulder, scary watching all the furniture guys coming in to use it, knowing I'd have to at some point to make my little half glazed door
That is such a useful tip, I have been wrestling with some architrave that is 100mm wide and to be honest all of the pieces were coming out with waves in them. Trying to mitre joint them was a nightmare.
Oh and I primed and painted every piece ! I used a premium pine with no knots ! Its was a good job just time consuming ! The customer wanted a one off base no one else had and wanted it done very tight with little to no caulk. It looks like u hv some priming & painting to do !
Ahh yeah, dont think im painting these, but they still sit in my store, ill probably end up sanding them but might have a nice little something to help with that!
I did a 2400 sq ft house custom base on a big router table? I did use every jig known to man except a back fence ? Where were you a couple years ago? I vowed to streamline the process even better over time now I know ! But seriously I need that machine ! If I sent my address and will u send me yours? With the back fence of course ! Great video for us finish carpenters who do this for a living !
I really needed to see this. Never thought of this for face-shaping a tall piece (i'm currently doing that). I have been climb-cutting with the powerfeeder running vertically (wheels pushing against the fence) but still getting snipe (and a teeny bit of ripple but nothing that can't be sanded out with 220). I'm going to reconfigure using a fence like this and give it a whirl! thanks!
No worries and thanks for saying! You could use a false fence to stop the snipe, probably go hand in hand with the back fence. How youve been doing it with the addition fo false fence would be most trouble free way probably.
Its funny, been using a shaper (spindle molder for you English types😂) for a long time. Never used my outboard fence this way! Always used it for dimensioning stuff to big for the regular molder. Flipping the powerfeeder for face pressure is such a pain the butt. I'll have to remember this the next time 👍👍👍
I have become a lot more comfortable with the spindle moulder this past year and this video helped reinforce this technique. Great tips and nice cabinet!
Right on time 😂 Just saved me some hassle seeing that skirting being fed through! Had it in mind that I’d need to support the full height of the board for some reason… 👍
So funny that you have taken all your cutterheads and knives and put them in drawers. I just took all of my cutterheads etc. out of a drawer, and put them on the wall!! 😆
Haha! Different strokes for different folks. I'm trying to get everything "bolted down" so I can clean the workshop down with the leaf blower daily and easily 👍
Have you got a gadget which calms the feeling impending doom when one of those monsters spin up? It’s the only reason I don’t own one 😂 1/2 inch router bit extension let go the other day on my router table and that was scary enough !
Great tips on using the back fence so thanks for that. What size workshop are you working out of? I do like your spindle moulder accessories cabinet - I have mine just hanging from the wall - not as pretty but easy to find :-)
I have a six head moulding machine and even running two sets of knives….one hogging set and one profile set this deep profile with a thin edge is difficult to produce with no chatter due to pressure shoe issues. Good job
We call that an '' outboard'' fence. I use it to make all my door and window parts with no snipe as the wood is always riding against the outboard fence. Mine has a measuring rule on each end to be able to keep it running paralell to the fence which can act as a pressure plate to hold material tight to the outboard fence. NO SNIPE
Beautiful work as always. What's the diameter on that cutter and what RPM are you running? I don't often get that typical sound when machining but then again I usually work with smaller cutters or the carbide insert ones.
It looks like the Felder fence has a shallow groove about half way up, about 0.5 mm deep and 15 high (unless my old eyes are playing tricks with me). Has that ever pissed you off?
Absolutely, I could do with a lot of upgrades, but just making do with what I've got for the time being, maybe have a big upgrade in the future. It's not very often I do this volume of mathining and this extractor pulls a real strong suction to be fair
Where in France? The main dilema is finding properly aclimated timber for the job. Most will shrink and move/bend once installed hence why no-one does it any more> amke sure the timber is properly dried out for a few months before installing.
Why is it that you can't put the cutter block blades the other way around so that the wide part which remains is at the bottom and thus more stable? I'm assuming that there is a reason, but I can't figure it out.
Yeah itll be difficult to drive through, and the finish of each piece would eb horrible, big unsupported cut, and driven only by a tiny piece of timber. Generally, its nearly always best practice to machine under the workpiece not have the cutter above.
No bud, it gets used by a friend for drying out horse bedding/stables, i think pellet presses would be expensive to run now, and id worry about heat and dust in the workshop unattended tbh
Yes, it soon makes a difference on a lot of mouldings, if you spend an extra hour sanding... its worth soending 10 mins crisping up the edge on the cutters. I will give dull ones a few minutes on the flat face of the tormek to sharpen them
Thanks for all the valuable info. How are you liking the Felder, would you buy it again? I'm torn between the felder format4 line and SCM L'invicible line.
To be fair, its been a fantastic machine. just the right size and capability. I often think about upgrading, but wonder what it would bring to the table. I think readout on the fence, and tilting forwards and backwards would be the only things id change for. Buy 5.5kw motor or higher. SOme of the better machines are often more awkward to use as they a bulkier. I really like this one, grown to love it and have no complaints.
If I wanted to order a set of cutters, would I go to White Hill? Do you have an a profile number that I could ask for? I'm in the US and my wife and I both agree that's a nice profile
@@BradshawJoinery I hadn't heard back from him so I physically picked up the phone and called. He just now emailed me saying he only sells cutters in the UK It's disappointing to say the least I'm in the US in Southern California
Awesome mate. You actually can get the ‘ultimate dream’. Ie. positive pressure to back fence ! It’s that ‘finger fence’ upgrade the ‘aigner fence’ It’s got a sort of adjustable lug that comes out the outfeed side and looks brilliant. Obviously it’s an arm and a leg ( but could save you a hand 😜). It’s on my list! Thank for the video!
Yeah, i have spent considerable time studying the aigner, there are lots of attactive features but a few i dont like, so i dont feel its worth the investment for me. If a spindle i bought came with it, id certainly be pleased though haha
THese are custom to match the existing house profile. THere are thousands of mouldings in uk thoughout history and all vary from joiner to joiner even within the same locale.. Its onyl the last 30-50 years they have standardised shop bought mouldings... but even still nicer projects move away from the standard stuff.