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Splitting English Elm for Longbow Staves using Beech and Steel Wedges. Ancient English Bow Woods 

Mick Grewcock
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Splitting English Elm for Longbow Staves using Beech and Steel Wedges. Ancient English Bow Woods. Three months ago I felled an English elm and the time has come to split the log into staves from which I hope to make several longbows. Elm can be tough to split - and this is my first attempt at splitting elm and only my second try at making bow staves from a log - the first attempt was hazel and it was a disaster! So this is a voyage of discovery for me. First stage will be to split the log into two pieces, after that I will further split or saw the halves so that I get three to four bow staves.
If you attempt to split a log using steel on steel, do make sure you wear some basic eye protection.
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@MD-wh2nh
@MD-wh2nh 4 года назад
You have the kind of voice that would be good for narrating nature TV programs about wildlife.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 4 года назад
Thank you 🙏
@LaserSharkPhotoablations
@LaserSharkPhotoablations 6 лет назад
I dont even wait till i have watched them to like them anymore Mick. Win or loose or draw, your vids are always a good watch.
@jmfa57
@jmfa57 6 лет назад
Thanks again for another delightful video, Mick. I look forward to watching your progress. Have a wonderful weekend, sir!
@paulwood4769
@paulwood4769 3 года назад
You make brilliant films, thank you
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 3 года назад
Thank you Paul 🙏
@stlong001
@stlong001 6 лет назад
Looks promising! I'm looking forward to seeing the progress in future videos. Don't skimp on the awkward moments we all can learn from!
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
There will be plenty of awkward bits Steve - I always include them, hard not to!! Keep well.
@QuantumMechanic_88
@QuantumMechanic_88 6 лет назад
You did an excellent job . Many questions , but no lame advice from this guy . Best wishes to you and yours and thanks for your video .
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Cheers from over the pond!
@subarududewrxt
@subarududewrxt 3 года назад
David Attenborough of bow making👌🏻
@micicioamore
@micicioamore 3 года назад
Good elms, Mick!!!
@Snipingfool
@Snipingfool 5 лет назад
The quality of this video is superb
@soranuttwilawann8752
@soranuttwilawann8752 6 лет назад
Good Job! Love you Mick!
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Soranutt Wilawann Cheers!!!
@micicioamore
@micicioamore 4 года назад
You ways of break a wood for long bow is good, your bow is fantastic and you are a nice man... Good job!
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 4 года назад
Allertato Permanente Thank you 🙏
@rayjohn3946
@rayjohn3946 6 лет назад
Good Job Mick! ...man that elm is tough!!!
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Sure is, that was a bit of a job! Thanks for watching.
@johnjriggsarchery2457
@johnjriggsarchery2457 6 лет назад
Hi Mick, when you cut a log, and leave it as a log, it's best to take the bark off to avoid pesky bugs injuring the outer layers, and to take either a chainsaw or if you are really careful to avoid kickback, a circular saw and cut the log lengthwise down to center. This controls splitting: The log can shrink without causing undue damage from random splitting. It's a good technique for woods like the elms which can really get badly wonky if they are split into staves and allowed to cure. Elms and some maples go haywire. Taking the log and cutting to the center on one side allows the stuff to dry (it takes a long time) without twisting and warping. Good luck and happy bow making.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
That's really useful, thank you. I've already had a hint that this stuff might twist. I think I'll leave them as two halves - and remove the bark - and just see how it goes. Be a shame to see them twist and go wonky. Appreciate the advice very much. Hope all's well with you. Mick
@kp.co.6074
@kp.co.6074 6 лет назад
I've heard of people sawing the staves out with chainsaws and circular saws. Every time I see it don that was its always a real nail bitter for me.
@markwilson3941
@markwilson3941 6 лет назад
Makes sense to me . Splitting out green staves with froe or whatever, is inviting twist; and hook, bow, warp etc. I hate waiting! , but love working a straight grained stick!
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Ha! Yes, that tension between the thing drying soooooo slowly, and getting on with it! So maybe I'll get better at wonky staves ;-)
@johnjriggsarchery2457
@johnjriggsarchery2457 6 лет назад
I think you're missing my point, splitting the staves with wedges etc. is fine. The point is that elm staves are more prone to twisting and become unusable so much more than any other wood, when it dries. The best way to prevent turning the whole log into a pile of wasted staves is to let it dry whole as a log, and cutting lengthwise to the core prior to letting it cure as a full log thereby controlling the random splits that will develop if there is no cut to relieve the stresses of drying.
@daicymru1764
@daicymru1764 5 лет назад
Gerald of Wales, writing in 1188 about his journey through Wales, Described archers using Dwarf Elm trees for their bows.
@odpadkowy
@odpadkowy 5 лет назад
Looked really tough, but it's nice even split!
@RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors
@RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors 6 лет назад
Elm by far is the best bow wood I'd say. Good luck
@navigator1383
@navigator1383 5 лет назад
Tried to split a 15 inch diameter texas elm once. Utterly impossible with the interlocking grain. Ended up cutting trunk lengthwise with a chain saw to make staves. Worked quite well, as I followed the grain.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 5 лет назад
I managed to split some English elm successfully - but the two halves clung together for a long time!
@SEFullmetalJake
@SEFullmetalJake 4 года назад
Nice job splitting that log. I recently had a job where we took down a decent sized elm tree, and I managed to get a pretty nice, reasonably straight 7 foot trunk out of it( with a few knots). It’s so rare to find larger elm trees nowadays due to Dutch elm disease effecting them when they reach a certain height. I’m actually really excited to try and make a bow( or two) from it, but I’m also very nervous as it’s such a rare piece of wood, and I do not have much experience making bows. I think I shall wait a while until I’m confident enough. I actually have a slightly narrower section off the top which Ive started to make a walking stick from, as the heart wood is absolutely beautiful. God it’s tough to work on though :)
@iamnotanumber6945
@iamnotanumber6945 6 лет назад
Greetings Mick, once again very enjoyable to watch and listen , along with how you tackle each and every task which might cause others attempting to make their own self bows give up, as am apprentice so long ago now, my very first Boss told me to watch and learn others ,then how to make a good pot of tea, it was easier to watch other Joiners & carpenters & craftsmen to learn how things are worked out and of course the tricks of the trade, than read a book lol well done your doing really good.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Thank you! Watching and learning is great - but I don't have anyone to watch and I actually rather like puzzling it out myself! But I guess if I did have someone to watch, I'd learn more quickly. Thanks for watching. Mick
@blakegundry
@blakegundry 6 лет назад
good job, I always split the wood right after I cut it. This will prevent checking and will dry faster. Also it is important to take the back off with a draw knife and scraper then too seal the back of the halve logs. Bugs like getting in the bark and messing up the sapwood area. Leave the bark on yew though
@epIx111333
@epIx111333 6 лет назад
lovely stuf friend, keep up the good work :)
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@briananuvattanachai6646
@briananuvattanachai6646 6 лет назад
Could you make a video perhaps on making a English longbow out of a board cause I don't have logs available to me?
@Afro408
@Afro408 6 лет назад
Nice effort, by the way. :D
@johnbland1585
@johnbland1585 6 лет назад
A mighty warrior that Elm wood Grain is interlocked. I have made them here in the states and read the King of England values the Yes wood for bows so much he decried other bow woods must be used ,hence Elm was one. Good luck I'm going to attempt one again soon. As mine are smaller ( ha lesson learned ) and seasoned. Hopefully I find your finished Elm wood ELB.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Hi John, regretfully that elm didn't want to make a decent bow - it was too spongy. I tried a piece and got a very modest and slow bow from it and a friend managed 145lb from a stave off same tree but that too was spongy and a very slow bow! Thanks for watching. Interesting surname, I have Blands in our family tree. Mick
@fredflintstone7986
@fredflintstone7986 6 лет назад
By the way fella, you mention a twist in the ELM, you could make a nice 72" long Elm flat bow with a 4" length stiff handle and 2 risers from handle to limbs, flat bows are far more forgiving with a little bit of twist that a narrower longbow and you could try and replicate an ELM Holmegaard bow which is probably the most efficient bow design know to man. Just a thought if the twist is too severe for a longbow, I know its all about longbows for you seeing your videos. :)
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Yes I love longbows but am feeling a lot like trying other designs - a great suggestion, thank you.
@crazycressy7986
@crazycressy7986 6 лет назад
Looks like you have your work cut out ,but i see a nice bow coming out of it from you ;) good luck as well ;)
@malcolmsmith9232
@malcolmsmith9232 6 лет назад
All that hammering. Bet the neighbours love you! Lol
@quintontyree2197
@quintontyree2197 6 лет назад
Great video Mick. How long did it take to split? You should make yourself some wooden gluts for splitting logs. Any tough wood should work. Dogwood was used alot in the old days but I've made some out of black locust that held up pretty well. keep up the good work. Quinton
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
+Quinton Tyree Hi Quinton, filming anything usually triples the time to do any job. I guess a straight split without filming would have taken maybe 30-40 minutes - but bear in mind that I've not done one before and went at it cautiously! I'll make some proper wedges from elm offcuts as suggested by Rod Parsons.
@haraldbearclaw1856
@haraldbearclaw1856 6 лет назад
Nice elm. Here in Croatia, most, (probably almost all) elm was devastated by some disease. I think it is Dutch elm disease. They have no bark and first couple of rings of sapwood immediately under the bark is spongy and weak. I think the bow could be made if I were to chase couple of rings, but seems too much of a work for an experiment that may fail and unnecessary lose my free time. Better to spend that time doing bows out of hazel. Even found some relatively straight ash today. Ash is another matter. First time today I found straight ones. Lots of problems with wood here but I manage somehow haha
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Hi Harald, same in the UK. I remember the 1970s when countless thousands - maybe millions - of elms died of Dutch Elm disease. My elm is a sucker, a tree springing from the rootstock of infected elms. These trees grow for about 20/25 years before the disease returns to them. This one is clean and there are others in our wood too that I will probably harvest before they are old enough to host the beetles and it all starts again. Cheers for watching. Mick
@haraldbearclaw1856
@haraldbearclaw1856 6 лет назад
Good luck with your elm bow! Do you know when will you attempt to start making it? From what I saw they look beautiful when finished so I cross my fingers for you.
@patrickkeene8366
@patrickkeene8366 6 лет назад
I've been mesmerized by your videos the last two days! I am interested in trying my hand at making a bow. I am too impatient to wait a year to have one dry out and too cheap to buy one online lol. I noticed you said this elm was only cut 3 months ago. What is your method for determining the drying time for your staves?
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Hi there Patrick - I know that impatience! Where do you live? In the UK, I can get a bow from felling to finished in about 30 days or so. The wood I use for that is hazel. Check out my hazel videos for an idea how I do it. When a tree is felled, it has a massive water content - maybe 40+%. In order to be able to bend the bow and not damage the wood, I like to reduce the moisture in the wood to about 10%-12% (both measurements taken with a moisture meter just under the wood's surface). I believe other woods can be dried quickly. Check out JRs Place on youtube - John Riggs Archery. John's in north Michigan and recently posted a video about speeding up the drying of wood in a car. Hope that helps. Good luck.
@patrickkeene8366
@patrickkeene8366 6 лет назад
Thanks! That's a big help for me. I've been doing a lot of research on types of woods in my location and I think I am just going to have to jump in and try it. I am from Kentucky in the USA (Appalachian Mountain range). Keep the videos coming! I have really enjoyed them.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Hi Patrick, I am all for just having a go. I hear from so many people who are stalled either by dogmatic opinions from others or just fear of making a mistake. In the end, it's just a piece of stick - but I clearly understand the fear of ruining one's only piece of wood. That's why I think it is a good idea to start with a middling bit of wood and just feel the tools on it. Oddly, when you are least concerned about the wood one's confidence rises. When working on a rare or expensive piece, it's easy to get frozen with worry. Good luck, dive in!
@QuantumMechanic_88
@QuantumMechanic_88 6 лет назад
@Patrick Keene - Your area would have ash - butternut hickory - sugar maple - probably hedge wood / Osage orange - wild cherry - oak and a few others . Hedge can be difficult to work with for your first bow . Hickory and Ash are far easier and make excellent primitives . Here is a video which is a must see and best wishes -> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KnVe7XMIq9s.html
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Thank you!
@PaulNaybour
@PaulNaybour 6 лет назад
I love your videos. I have just cut a 7ft long 4-inch diameter Yew stave. Would you recommend splitting it like this or cutting on the band saw? I am worried in might not split down the middle.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Thank you very much Paul - and thanks for your question, However, I have very limited experience in this skill. I believe yew splits easily but a 4" diameter stave - in my humble opinion - is not something I'd attempt to split. Of course at that thickness, it would seem to have enough for two bows of medium weight but personally I wouldn't try to split. I would suggest you ask an experienced person their opinion. That said, if you have a bandsaw or access to one, I would use that. I don't have a bandsaw but if I did I would use it on staves of that size. Of course sawing a stave may not preserve the integrity of its shape and form, but I think it would be something I'd do in this instance. Thanks for watching. Mick
@PaulNaybour
@PaulNaybour 6 лет назад
Mike thanks for the quick reply. I have only made two self-bows so far. The first one failed, it split on a knot. The second is ok, but it's a bit light. I want it for horseback archery, so I am going to try a recurve next. We need more speed with a shorter bow. From what I read it's best to recurve the green wood and then let it dry. I am following John J Riggs book on bow making, it's good but they are using American woods. But none of the recurves I have seen are made from English Yew. I got a second-hand band saw on e-bay so I might give it a go
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Hi Paul, I can't comment on horse bows - but I can say John's channel (and e-book) are really useful I find. No reason to think that English yew won't make a good horse bow with re-curved tips. Have you looked at Derek Hutchison's 'Bowyer's Diary'? Search the web and you'll find it a very useful resource and Derek (Del Cat) is very approachable and helpful. I made a very short 'bow' for a crossbow from yew. A bit longer with re-curved tips and I would have a horse bow of sorts I guess. So I imagine you have every chance of success. Good luck!
@PaulNaybour
@PaulNaybour 6 лет назад
Hi I went on an open day at Exeter university and met this chap, who showed me how to cleave a stave with a Froe ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VYDfjBWePoQ.html
@Durag_jaca
@Durag_jaca 6 лет назад
Hi Mick! Where are you buying buffalo horns for tips to bow?
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
+Mati Kołodziejski Hi Mati, I just buy off eBay. There are some UK archery stores that stock them also. Hope that helps.
@kp.co.6074
@kp.co.6074 6 лет назад
That's a good looking elm stave! Are you planning on doing a build along with those staves? Do you guys have issues with the dutch elm disease over in the U.K.?
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
I hope to bring you along whilst I build a bow or two from these staves. Yes, Dutch Elm devastated our elms - I particularly remember the 1970s when it wiped out all the hug elms on farms where I grew up. Now we have few elms of any size, plenty of small ones in hedgerows though and - like my log - suckers from old rootstock. These will eventually host the beetles that cary the disease and it all starts over.
@kp.co.6074
@kp.co.6074 6 лет назад
I have heard people say that elm is almost as good as yew because of that interlocking grain. We have a huge elm in the neighborhood that I think is starting to get the ded. I'm secretly hoping a branch or two falls off and I can get a stave or two without having to cut down any of our living trees.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Good luck!
@MrDmitryKa
@MrDmitryKa 6 лет назад
Great video! Btw, what do you think about making a flatbow? Thank you :)
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
I failed on the last flatbow which makes me want to make another!
@MrDmitryKa
@MrDmitryKa 6 лет назад
Great. Hope to see video soon. Good luck!
@crajneelchand5382
@crajneelchand5382 6 лет назад
Thank you for sharing Mick. I got 1 question is it OK to use chainsaw to split the wood or it has to be split like you did?
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Never used a chainsaw for splitting but I know that some do. I just wanted to try it the old way - and some say that splitting like I did means the wood's character is preserved in the final bow - whereas a saw just goes straight through without following the natural quirks of the wood. Can't say really what is best I'm afraid. Take care.
@crajneelchand5382
@crajneelchand5382 6 лет назад
Thank you for the knowledge Mick.
@anghelutaconstantincortel3206
@anghelutaconstantincortel3206 5 лет назад
What did you put on the heads and why? Please answer me!!
@Mikeydmc1
@Mikeydmc1 5 лет назад
I don't know what is is, but it is used to seal the ends of the staves so they don't get too dry and split when the stave is drying
@Ozarkwonderer
@Ozarkwonderer 6 лет назад
Looking forward to seeing how your first try comes out.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
So am I. Looks nice wood, very tough. Hope it comes out okay. Thanks for watching. Mick
@Ozarkwonderer
@Ozarkwonderer 6 лет назад
Mick Grewcock i like useing a practice side of a stave.. Sometimes you get a really nice bow out of it....sometimes its a disaster...but it helps in the building of a great bow. Oh i have a question for you. As a fellow beginner bow maker. Have you ever gone back to a bow you made and found it got stronger? Like on one you made in a day right off the tree or just a week or so after cuting it?
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Oh yes, for sure. I made a blackthorn bow at 80lbs, used it then put in away for awhile. Tried to draw it two weeks ago: not a hope! It was about 90lbs at 26/27". Since then I've eased it somewhat but it's a tough thing for me to pull now. My yew has done the same sometimes - often cooler temperatures in the winter make yew harder to pull (apparently you need to be careful with yew in the cold but I can't verify that). So yes, it's happened to me and I'm not always sure why! Has it happened to you?
@Ozarkwonderer
@Ozarkwonderer 6 лет назад
Mick Grewcock yea i made a hickory bow a bit back. It was about a 45pound bow at 26 inches. Iv let set for month or so and now its climbed to 60pounds. I couldn't believe it. Iv bows gain 5 or 6 pounds but 15 was a surprise. I have a freind who said this could happen though. Hes had bows get stronger with age and use
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Same experience for us both!
@Durag_jaca
@Durag_jaca 6 лет назад
Hi Mick! Your videos are so useful i learn from it so much and i did my bow from hazel, it got one perfect arm but in second is weak point and it destroys all power. Can i fix it? Or this bow is for trash? Please help!
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Hi Mati, difficult to say without seeing it but if you have a weak spot - a hinge - then the only fix is to weaken the other limb and either side of the weak spot until the stresses are evened out. Of course this can mean that the bow is powerless and regrettably trash. If you have another piece of hazel, build another bow and learn from the first. It's tough I know but that's the best in the long run. Good luck with the next!
@rodparsons521
@rodparsons521 6 лет назад
Why not see how much you can correct it and how little draw-weight you can lose if you do it well? Sounds like the practice would be useful before you make another. You wind up with a kids bow to give away, that's not so bad. :-)
@Durag_jaca
@Durag_jaca 6 лет назад
Mick Grewcock thanks for advice i will do next one and i found 1 month before nice stick and now it is sesoning . I hope it be good one. Its for me big challenge because i am novice and i havent got tools like spokeshave and draw knife
@Why1236
@Why1236 6 лет назад
Great video, nice to see how it's done! Also have you heard of a wood called spindle? Someone told me it was used for arrows
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
+PrimitiveJack Hi Jack, we have spindle in our wood. I wouldn't make it first choice for arrows but our trees are quite young (maybe 18 years). Not many straight sections. But as the name suggests, I believe the wood was commonly used for making a variety of spindles - wheels etc.
@Why1236
@Why1236 6 лет назад
Mick Grewcock ok cool thanks for the information mick😀
@rodparsons521
@rodparsons521 6 лет назад
As "spindles" for hand spinning wool. Just drop on a spindle "whorl" stone.
@austinoldtimerclocks1654
@austinoldtimerclocks1654 6 лет назад
I have found that splitting is much easier if you start at the bottom end. If the wood has a check in the end that has already started it"s best to start there.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Do you mean the thicker end? This is what I did - started at the thick end.
@Durag_jaca
@Durag_jaca 6 лет назад
I was searching on ebay but i cant find quite similar to yours only 8 inches long was pretty horns like yours. Can you drop link? Thanks for all help
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
These are what I use: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-80mm-Polished-Solid-Cow-Horn-Tips-x3-80mm-long-Premium-Grade-/152714885045?var=&hash=item238e8437b5:m:m6lHE6T3_rjpENLA0lHZt9Q
@Durag_jaca
@Durag_jaca 6 лет назад
Mick Grewcock Thanks!
@superscience8944
@superscience8944 6 лет назад
I split a 30 cm in dia thick oak log in the woods with a hatchet, got a few blisters but it went perfectly, I like your wedges, I only used some oak branches.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Great, a good success!
@superscience8944
@superscience8944 6 лет назад
I managed to find a huge 30 cm in diameter yew log (yes it was heavy to take home) how long does it need to season? How can I prevent small hairline cracks? I was also so lucky that it does not have a single knot.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
I think others may have a take on this but with yew I'd seal the cut ends and any cuts where branches were - I use something in the UK called PVA adhesive; it's a construction sealant/adhesive. Then I'd lay the log down in an airy, dry place so that air can circulate it freely and forget it for a year or so with the bark still on. Of course I have hurried a yew branch through the drying process (but it was a small branch, not like you have) and made a bow from it in a few months - still my favourite bow but only about 40lbs in draw weight (though the branch was hardly two inch diameter). Hope that helps in some way. Good luck.
@superscience8944
@superscience8944 6 лет назад
Ok I certainly will seal the ends, we have some serious rain going on so it is completely wet. Thanks for the quick reply, it took 145 seconds.
@superscience8944
@superscience8944 6 лет назад
The tree had also grown really quickly therefore the growth rings have quite some distance apart. It is still good right? I mean it is yew
@freakazoid1982
@freakazoid1982 6 лет назад
If you make a copy of "holmegårdsbuen" from Denmark, dating from 7000 bc, you won't need the core, or "hardwood", but you will need to make the bow wider than it is thick/deep. Longbows are traditionally almost as wide as they are thick, because of the wood used, but when using elm, you would most likely make the bow 3-5 times wider than thick, because of the fibrous nature of the wood... anyways that's how I was taught it when studying the holmegård bows
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Hi there, I may try a bow of that design. I'll see how the elm dries. Great advice, thank you!
@ZackariahCombs1
@ZackariahCombs1 2 года назад
Elm…. Offle stringy and a B to split but man its Tuff as wang leather and makes a good strong bow that will last a lifetime and more if its took care of and sealed good.
@Afro408
@Afro408 6 лет назад
Tool abuse!!! ;D Mick, please make yourself a wooden maul to hit the axe/wedges with, so you don't ruin the poll's on them.
@rodparsons521
@rodparsons521 6 лет назад
Saw some large wooden wedges for future use out of the offcuts? ;-)
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Good idea Rod! Job for tomorrow.
@rodparsons521
@rodparsons521 6 лет назад
Not a big fan of hitting steel on steel. :-) Nice piece of Elm, and probably big enough diameter to get a reasonably flat broad bow.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Not much choice on whacking the steel, tough old stuff elm! I'm pondering what to do. Might try for a flat/broad bow from the least good bit and see whether the other half will split in two for a couple of longbows. Some are saying elm twists madly, I can see a little already. I'll probably debark both staves soon and bring indoors. I'd like to press on with a bit of the elm right away but not much point if I wake up and find I've spent hours making a propellor!
@rodparsons521
@rodparsons521 6 лет назад
Was there twist showing in the bark? Another time I would split right after cutting and shellac the ends. If you can take of the bark easily when green, then do that and shellac the back as well as the ends. But no point in worrying about it, when it's going to twist you won't stop it and most times when we remove a lot of wood it will adjust to changes in the internal distribution of stresses. That's just what wood does. But don't stand it on end, better to lay it down supported at each end, off the ground.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
No twist evident from the outside. The bark will peel - or tear - off with a bit of help from a blunt edge to get it started. I'll experiment with a bit of it and lay the best bit down when de-barked. It does look nice wood though, can't wait to have a bash with it. Will's 130lber had a raw and primitive look to the belly - very appealing I thought.
@sebseb915
@sebseb915 6 лет назад
you should try to make a traditional mongolian horse bow, from either a part of that elm or some other wood of your choice
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
That would be a challenge for me! I've seen images of them, look mean and fascinating. Maybe one day?
@2bingtim
@2bingtim 5 лет назад
They have a wood core more as a "skelleton" onto which sinew is glued on the back & horn on the belly to provide a very efficient bow.
@paulmatthews570
@paulmatthews570 4 года назад
Really should be using a froe and a cleaving brake to do this
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 4 года назад
I know. One day I will get these tools. Stay well.
@fredflintstone7986
@fredflintstone7986 6 лет назад
Personally with Elm I cut the tree in the same day when its green and then work it down with axe to just near bow dimensions for tiller tree. Easy to work when it is green, also if you cut the tree and invest the time on the same day to work it to bow dimensions on the day you cut it the wood will dry out much quicker. Keep all dimensions uniform for uniform drying as the stave sheds moisture. You will have a working stave ready for tiller in 30 days. IF you want to do what the native american did, complete the process I just explained and then cover the entire bow stave in lard with no bark on the back, it will slow moisture escaping from your bow stave and reduce the possibility of twist and warp as it dries. I know that works as I have used that method for the past 10 years, it is what the Irish did to dry black thorn clubs when making Shillelagh fighting clubs. The Irish would cut the blackthorn when green, cover it in lard with the bark off and then stick it up the cottage chimney to dry. IT works, no need to wait 6 months for the stave to dry, cut it green, work it down to just outside tiller dimensions and take bark off and cover the entire thing with lard, its messy when you need to remove the lard when you start tiller but its 100 percent fool proof! Good luck By the way Mick having worked Elm exclusively for nearly 20 years making most bows known to man I tell you honestly that splitting ELM is the worst thing you can do, interlocking grain unique to Elm will bugger up perfectly good staves, split Ash by all means as it is perfect for longitudinal splitting but with ELM learn from our ancestors, carve the bow do not split ELM ever!
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Wow, what a great and different take on dealing with elm and such like. Fantastic. But do you think that my elm - down around three months or so - would react as yours has done? Both halves have a slight twist and I'm anxious not to see that continue. I've shortened the least good bit and would really like to work it ASAP and don't mind using on behalf just for one bow (I have another elm stave about 10' long). What do you think?
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
* just one half *
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Thank you very much for taking time to explain this. Much appreciated. I think I will give one half the log that treatment and see how it goes. I get the points you make clearly! Again, thanks for the time you've spent on this. Cheers for now.
@fredflintstone7986
@fredflintstone7986 6 лет назад
No problem, sorry if my explanation is difficult to follow, I fear a Sunday of beer and Yorkshire puds makes typing awkward at best, good luck!
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Sounds a fine Sunday to me. Still some left too...... Thanks again.
@skyborne6393
@skyborne6393 6 лет назад
This is the first time I seen someone try to split a log this way. It's so awkward. I want to yell out stop stop your doing it wong.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
KBT19X And I want to yell out: "Why?" Because you don't show or tell.
@rodparsons521
@rodparsons521 6 лет назад
That was a pretty decent split, even if Mick was making a bit of a meal of it.The only awkward part about it was his using metal wedges rather than using only wooden wedges, which will not damage a saw if you want to cut through those pesky pieces that don't separate cleanly, rather than tearing them apart.
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Making a meal of it is how to make something that lasted a few moments stretch into a six minute video!!
@rodparsons521
@rodparsons521 6 лет назад
I might call that padding... (Sat there muttering "Get on with it man!") rofl
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
+Rod Parsons Ha!! I can imagine that 🤗
@fhorst41
@fhorst41 6 лет назад
Why not a froe?
@MickGrewcock
@MickGrewcock 6 лет назад
Haven't got one!
@fhorst41
@fhorst41 6 лет назад
Mick Grewcock You would probably like the results if you had one, particularly if you green split to reduce drying time.
@budchestnut9303
@budchestnut9303 2 года назад
You haven't the proper tools, wedges etc for splitting. Beating on axe heads certainly is a stretch. Bless your efforts. Have fun.
@stephenturver8300
@stephenturver8300 2 года назад
First mistake hitting the axe with hammer
@ernestobatista9062
@ernestobatista9062 3 года назад
G6u
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