If you have not seen our first review of this gun, go check it out, it goes into a lot more detail and also highlights some of the great things about this firearm. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1U72aG1NZIg.html
As a rookie in the gun buying market this is the best purchase I made runs flawless and I followed the directions to properly add the extension to my magazine
I agree. I abuse the hell out my Echelon and have 3x17 rd. and 3x20 rd. mags. Not one problem ..... EVER !!!!!! Topped with a 508T, an Olight Baldr Pro R and heavy recoil rod from Apex. It's a damn BEAST !!!!! 🙂
Did they install the baseplates the wrong way or was it the factory ? These guys know guns a little bit bout firearms , and you would think they would’ve noticed how loose those baseplates were , and that was not right .
@@kcMan7938 they were installed wrong by the users, the firearm doesn’t really come with instructions to install the mag extension. Theres a metal plate that goes on the base of the mag spring and if not properly attached it will cause the extension not to seat properly. If installed correctly, it functions flawlessly.
With ammo being as cheap as it is from reputable manufacturers why are we testing with no name, shit ammo? Mag Tech, Blazer, Fiocchi, Federal.. stick with them.
all that for a 2 second fix of the 20rd mag baseplate lol. Yea it should have came correct from the factory, all it was is that the metal locking tab on the extension wasnt fully seated
Good to hear, Springfield actually just sent us an email and verified there is a design flaw in their original mag, and though not everyone is experiencing the issues, they are updating the mags.
@@RallyTacticalits kinda embarrassing that a youtuber with “gun experience” cant figure the solution out. My friend got an echelon the first week it was available. His had the base plate installed wrong. Did some googling and found out it was wrongfully installed. Made the corrections and never had any issues since. This is how you lose subscribers or you never get them in the first place. Requested youtube to not recommend vids from you. Peace
This is literally the first "bad" review ive seen of this firearm, hes got great grip and recoil management, but the magazines have been an issue for some... havent seen it in mine. If youve installed the extension wrong, you will have mag issues.
Not true. You just seen five videos of different youtubers having the same issue and you still don’t believe Springfield or HS Product is at fault? Like any fault??
It’s bad on Springfield for letting their mags go out improperly installed. That being said it’s been covered pretty thoroughly how to install the 20rd base properly. Again , we shouldn’t have to. But once installed correctly it’s runs flawlessly. Took a two day course had zero issues , mag or gun related. ✌🏻
Springfield actually just sent us an email and verified there is a design flaw in their original mag, and though not everyone is experiencing the issues, they are updating the mags. Point is our mags were installed correctly, everyone wants to quickly assume we just dont know what we are talking about, but the reality is, we've built plenty of guns from the ground up and have dealt with all kinds of different mags, it was clear what the issue was right from the beginning, and Springfield just verified it but updating the design on their 20rd base plates.
If the 20 round mag has the baseplate installed wrong, it will perform just like the issues you experienced. I can replicate it every time by putting it on incorrectly. No fault of the gun. I shoot mine in IDPA competition since new and right out of the box with my 147g reloads making 133000 PF. I have yet to experience a single issue. Between practice sessions and matches Ive put 2000+ rounds through it.
@@bertgardner6570 You will have to ask SA that... All I can vouch for is mine runs like a precision sewing machine. Zero issues with close to 4000 rounds through it now. Zero mag issues as well.
No problems here. Over a thousand rounds and still looks like new also no problems with the Springfield saint as well, if you take care of them they'll take care of you 😉
It appears that anyone can get on RU-vid and test firearms without being knowledgeable with the product they are using. Nothing wrong with the 20 round magazines. Just operator error on assembling the magazine. Sorry guys.
Appears anyone can make an uneducated comment. Updated cover photo coming with Springfield’s admission and email to us that the magazine design had to be changed 🫡
I haven’t bought a Springfield since I had nothing but issues with my prodigy. They also had more magazine issues with those pistols. That gun would not run any ammo. 2 warranty repairs later I still had issues so I sold it.
all of your issues were likely due to the 20 round mag extension being put on the magazine body wrong. You showed footage of the base pad yeeting off and rounds falling out multiple times, this can only happen if you werent putting the steel insert on the backside of the magazine and instead sticking it up inside the magazine body. The extension can not be pushed off the magazine body if the steel insert is installed correctly. That steel insert prevents the extension from sliding off the magazine body. You were reinstalling it wrong every time and the magazine extension was probably moving around on the bottom of the magazine during recoil and causing rounds to not feed properly, and causing binding issues as the rounds try to slide up the magazine body.
This pistol is one of the 9mm I am currently considering. Maybe I could deal with a magazine issue, but he poor customer service might be a deal breaker.
That’s messed up they should’ve sent you another 20 round magazine. I love mine zero malfunctions after 500-600 rounds , but noticed that their 20 round magazines have been out of stock since they got released and I’m wondering if there’s a fix that they’re doing and that is why 20 round magazines can’t be found.
I like the Cap lol, but I didn't have any issues with any ammo it eats all 115 and 124 reload factory. Maybe some of them are just bad due to QC. shot out Thank you for the video.
Use standard 17-round mags. I don't like a pistol that looks like it has a harmonica sticking out the bottom of it. I don't trust those 20-rounders at all. Also, maybe stop slamming your mags into your pistol like that. Not necessary.
I’ve watched a few times and it appears from the recap that you -only- had trouble using the 20 rounder, is that correct? I have had zero magazine issues in about 2800 rounds, however, I did have 2x double feed condition; a failure to extract, and subsequent chambering. One of them was a 115 grain, another was a 147, both were within 1500 rounds and only one of them was in the 20 rounder. Sent to S/A they ran 100 rounds through it, no malfunctions. That 20 round mag has had 2x failure to lock back the slide as well. I believe they are using the same 17 round spring in the 20 round extended mag, which is not ideal. BTW, I also had the optics plate come loose and more than once. Honestly, I think it very well could be ammunition related. It doesn’t take a lot in for the tolerances to be bad on a round and create a malfunction and I’ve definitely had defective rounds both from major new ammunition makers and reloads. With reloads, the case is always a variable. It may be a minor variable or major. It could be once fired brass, or it could be fired and reloaded more than a dozen times. The case mouth could be out of spec, the primer not seated fully, powder charge variance could have gone out of spec - all of these things and much more can happen during ammunition production. Same as yours, I’ve gone through as many rounds after getting the Echelon back and it’s not malfunctioned. At least they cleaned your Echelon !
Thanks for the feedback. We actually decided to move forward with reviews with pistol Pete AND new ammo as well. Think it will add value and show people if they have options or not. In addition like you said issues were really all fixed one Springfield took a look at it.
And just like that, after 4,780 rounds, I reloaded the 20 rounder and it spontaneously disassembled, spitting all 20 rounds out the bottom I got new replacements, which look improved. No other malfunctions.
Have had mine for a year now no issues 5000 rounds later. Seems like you never assembled or tried to make sure your base plates were properly put together lmao. All this complaining for user error.
There's definitely something up with the 20 round magazines. Just yesterday i had a 20 round magazine fall apart in my pocket and after reassembling the exact same thing happened again today.
@@watchyoutube9553 I was putting it together right. I contacted Springfield and they told me there was an issue with some of the metal baseplates that shipped out. I should be receiving the updated plate today. Hoping this fixes my issue
@@30Cal-Cam Nope. I contacted Springfield and they confirmed the original baseplates were incorrectly designed. They've sent me two replacements and they've both been functioning perfectly. And yes, I compared them to the originals and they are in fact different.
I find it funny how you’re not even looking at the ammo as the problem and immediately blaming the gun and that it couldnt be the ammo. It’s also funny how you’re also sponsored by that same ammo (cheap).
The gun comes with a heavy spring rated for 9mm nato eventually after shooting or leaving the slide locked back for a few days it will begin to run lighter loads with more regular reliability. This is true for other eruo milspec gun such as the apx a1. Click bait or ignorance?
The magazine issue is just plain poor QC, and for tools that are literally intended to be used in life and death scenarios, I can't give them a pass on that. Also, in 2023 ammo sensitivity at that level where I have to rely on specific ammo, that's a no-go for me. Any CCW or home defense gun for me needs to be able to run crappy ammo of all common bullet weights in both FMJ and defensive ammo. If it can't do that, it's a range toy for me.
Get a disingenuous feel from you not saying you're a bad guy but why not mention it's only been issues with the 20rnd mags and not the 17. Also adding in clips from other creators after all had mention the fix. I mean then again that is what got you the most views is this gun alone so maybe trying to push for more views.
Um. Why did you not push Springfield to replace the the 20 round mag. Not surprised. I had Springfield buy back an XD. Never would own a Springfield or Ruger again. No problems with HK, Walther, Sig
Springfield actually just sent us an email and verified there is a design flaw in their original mag, and though not everyone is experiencing the issues, they are updating the mags with stronger tabs, we will put out an update when we receive the new mags.
Right the gun is great but the mags /baseplates are ass. You guys and theSensibleShooter were the first I seen point it out. People are mad at you and the same thing happened to other people who reviewed the gun! Keep up the good work @Rallytactical
Nope, we put around 350 rounds through the gun in our last video, kept swapping back and fourth and the rounds would work fine in our other guns, just not the springfield. The point of the video isnt bad ammo, its bad mags. Springfield actually just sent us an email and verified there is a design flaw in their original mag, and though not everyone is experiencing the issues, they are updating the mags.
*I tried to convince people about these crap guns from big manufacturers.* *Believe it or not, it's hard to get sponsor material when you keep calling all new guns junk.* *So I just got out of the industry instead. I don't need the money. Or headache.* *And I am not going to lie to strangers just to make money.*
This is exactly how we feel, as much as we would love to be sent free stuff from manufacturers, we are always going to share our true opinions, we do this for fun, and its no fun if we have to lie. Thanks for watching!
Ok so let’s use Winchester or Sig 9mm (2 active recalls), or fiochii 9mm which is normally $3-5 more per box of 50, or federal premium 9mm which people don’t actually find on the shelves.
Find the video to be somewhat disingenuous. I picked up mine assembled the 20 round mag and it didn’t look right. Did a quick search on the old internet and found that I was installing it wrong. Corrected my mistake and mag doesn’t have any issues. To assume that you are infoulable and that they are hiding something because they kept your mag for further review. I dunno. Just seems like no other firearm has ever had mag issues
Views don’t pay. No real benefit to lying for views in this industry and tbh the honeys don’t care if I have 2k subs… I did this cause I care. About viewers like you. Specifically you… I love you. Terez! Take me back!