Springtrap: A Horror Icon in Ruin 

awesome mark!

Nah.

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The new Mark design still feels kinda off but the intro animation mark was just looking amazing!

i JUST finished watching all your fnaf videos, can you do YOUR take on the entire series lore please? Include the books after the dlc ruin is out tho!

Compare him with Griffith from Berserk, it's a strange comparison I know, but in Berserk the question is not "how are we going to defeat him" it's more like "can we even defeat him?", That's something all horror villains are lacking.

@@thegoldendiamond6762 🤨📸

@@thegoldendiamond6762 bro that's his son 💀💀💀💀

Pyramidhead is good example of that in silent hill 2 he was terrifying but then he was everywhere and become just meh

@@Serhik-id1fh not to mention it ruins prestablished worldbuilding. He's James' punishment, nobody elses.

Yeah if dbd x fnaf happened I think springtrap is the only option for dbd

AYO GURU LARRY

Except even worse imo

I've only played silent hill 2, what happens to pyramid head?! Also I'm a big fan Larry

@Ian E so Pyramidhead has a symbolic meaning to James that makes sense in Silent Hill 2. In fact, most of the monsters encountered in Silent Hill 2 have symbolic meanings. The problem is that Konami kept having Pyramidhead and monsters like the bandage nurses show up in later games and movies like silly mascot characters.

Except lore wise Pyramid Head fit in eveey place he was put in (I can't talk about the movie tho)

​@@atanaZion In what way did he fit? Pyramid Head is a manifestation of James's guilt it doesn't make sense when it comes to the other games

i feel like it could lead to ridiculous extents to match the point the books are at,leading to something like an animatronic version of the court of owls

​@@missingtexturezidk it sounds lit, it's either that or animatronic humans that can think, feel, eat and sleep.

​@@missingtexturezmore like Ghost Face killers

I agree, but I think he's come back a little too often.

@@staysilent4392 "I always come back." - spring trap

@@thegoldendiamond6762 Find God

I'll never forget the way Scott rolled him out.. *He knew Springtrap would be a game changer!*

@Trent M I agree up to a point. Personally, I believe he was at his best in FnaF 3 and Pizza Sim. The only reason he fell of for me is because he is now essentially the Frieza of the FnaF franchise.

True but the main fnaF 1-6 story isn't as complicated as everyone says

Part of the issue was also that a lot more of the engagement with the series came from dissecting obscure clues and implications. As opposed to clear cut writing

It’s pretty obvious from the beginning that Scott didn’t expect Fnaf 1 to receive the reaction it got thus he never planned out a whole story for fnaf and went through all the rewrites. Scott really wasn’t some mastermind writer that had everything in mind, and the fandom dissecting every bit of lore didn’t help

Yeah, this series is trash.I only watched this video because I like Marks videos.

@Busy Ghost the thing is, however, Scott managed to write a decent little tale with the first 3 games. He could've left it there, and while fnaf3 did disappoint gameplay-wise, it did wrap up the story with only a few peripheral mysteries. Instead, he made fnaf 4 and decided to revolve the entire series around the Aftons and its really all been downhill since. The cracks were ripped open exposing how shoddy the writing and planning is. You could tell that he was making it up as he went along. You could see him changing and retconning things. It got messy. It lost its spark for a while. Then the books went and made things more weird. I especially hate how the books were said to explicitely be a seperate Canon from the games, but overtime the writing for the games made it impossible to not use book information to fill the gaping holes. Now we got people talking about illusion disks, fazgoo and robot children. It's gotten really convoluted and really silly, and not in a super fun way.

It’s not William afton, it’s a burnt string trap known as burn trap

@@l750z_6 ...springtrap is william afton

@@adora_was_taken no he isn’t. He’s in the suit yeah but William and spring trip are not the same being / entity

@@l750z_6 who's saying "i always come back" then

@@adora_was_taken William

He's also a 30 year old corpse in unimaginable agony, so he doesn't really have the stamina or energy to yeet himself at you like FNAF 2 Foxy.

@@concept5631Yh but that Nigga be dashing across ur room sometimes to jumpscare u

I doubt the dead children killed in fear and confusion, I see the dead children as more "restless spirits" than being confused and fearful, they just attack everyone like what any restless and vengeful spitit would do, besides it wouldn't make that much sense if they were afraid cuz their movements in FNAF 1 are eerily calculated, almost as if they plan like a bunch of apex predators, eg. hiding in places you wouldn't see much of them, like Freddy in the bathroom. (No offense to your interpretation.)

Yeah exactly! It's underwhelming as a jumpscare but it has great fridge horror if you think about why it's so calm. This isn't the tormented soul of a kid in a clunky animatronic attacking in fear or desperation or rage, like before. This is an experienced murderer. He's killed in that suit before and he won't bat an eye at doing it again, even in death.

I think a better way of describing it is that the other animatronics are vengeful. Springtrap is malicious and outwardly sadistic and you can tell there is no justification, his only interest is in hurting you.

didnt they also do the same with foxy

jumpscare not scary = evil animatronic is good

@@carbonfibre_ TBH the rest of the jumpscares aren't exactly scary either, they're morso startling, though Springtrap's is just plain lame.

Ah weird FNAF theories. FNAF2 Foxy yelling freedom, anyone?

@@xacmashe3852 OHFUCK i SWEAR i heard something like that

@@thegoldendiamond6762 who the fuck is chris what is wrong with you do you need an adult

@@thegoldendiamond6762 incest? Ew

@@thegoldendiamond6762 plus their kids, even more gross you fucking weirdo

Peepaw Afton

@@daisanity6457 "Alright grandpa, time for bed."

I mean, Scott isn’t the writer anymore. He quit after UCN iirc.

@@sentientviolin7802 He made FNaFVR's story at the least, don't think we've ever had it clarified what part he had in Security Breach but considering that game feels like someone's fangame got made into official canon... he was probably just like "do whatever you want, just make sure the final boss has 'trap' in his name or you're fired"

If I were told to write my own version of Glitchtrap and Vanny, I'd make Vanny the big bad, a complete psychopath that's a major fan of William and his crooked legacy, a copycat killer. and I'd make Glitchtrap this sort of dark reflection of Vanny's sanity, this illusion symbolising the dark path she took that only exists in Vanny's consciousness to push her into doing what she does, it's a metaphorical way of storytelling.

Honestly if Scott Cawthon redid the jumpscares of FNAF 3, then it would of been a better conclusion to the series

@@reptilerandykrusha6426 way better and much more realistic than wondering if all this is over some Bullshit remnant

The fanart of peepaw is even funnier.

@@liviwaslost fr i loved the ones where he had like a walker and whatnot it was so good

@@azalea-P I liked the ones where he is in a wheelchair, has an IV bag, and is being pushed by Vanny.

At-least it’s an improvement from scraptrap, not by a lot, but if I was given a choice I’d prefer burntrap from scraptrap

@@harbour2118 oh yea 100% hes better design-wise

Also me when Elizabeth x Chris Afton doesn't become canon

@@thegoldendiamond6762 who’s Chris? That name doesn’t ring any bells for me.

@@AnActualCadaver Chris is a fanmade name for the crying child.

@@thekibbledestroyer I thought the fans were calling him “Evan”

@@AnActualCadaver chris and evan are his fannames, i believe

No

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I don't tell which fate is worse. William truly is an evil bastard.

@@concept5631it’s obvious the second one is worse

Yes

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He's not THIS down now, tho. Ending up like Brian is worse

@Epic Zombie Killer Yeah idk why people are mad. I really liked Brian in the earlier seasons and found his struggles in being a dog fun and compelling to watch. While I may not like Brian in the modern seasons that doesn't invalidate your opinion. And vice versa.

Agreed

I completely agree!

At this point, I just try to ignore whatever the franchise's doing with him post FNAF 6. Books included. Scott might've managed to release a great set of games, but his skills as a writer are clearly lacking lmao

@@fansee1368 Yeah lol. I feel as if SL should’ve been it’s own thing and not a continuation. The ending of Pizzeria Sim is wonderful though. In an ideal world, the og fnaf timeline would’ve stopped at 4 with maybe Pizza Sim’s ending and everything else was with different characters and a different story that didn’t fall back on Afton. Trying to add on more and more crap absolutely ruined the story.

Yeah like the fact that he was just a dude in the suit was scary on it’s own, I think that him becoming immortal or at least trying to is a good concept, but execution didn’t work well after the first 6 games, especially security breach

@@dullsunrise8820ending at 4 feels really odd and unsatisfactory honestly. I feel like the series should have ended at either 3 or 6

Ayy roachdawgg

Yeah, the spirits getting freed was basically pointless since their murderer just comes back, not to mention henry's sacrifice in fnaf 6

​@@ivanalves8506 it really starts to feel like whats the point... hes not real anf if he had plot armour why should i care about playing to stop him

_That’s_ what makes me so meh about the games! You’ve summed it up pretty succinctly - there’s always going to be media about _killers,_ but it feels more poignant to talk about their _victims_ instead.

@@localmenace3043 100% agreed with you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. FFPS's completion ending was cool and a good closure to the story but the happiest day ending is my favourite *because* it puts all of its focus on the victims finally finding happiness and being freed. Fnaf's story could've been so much more heartbreaking. Imagine if fnaf 4's protagonist was Cassidy instead of the crying child, and the minigames followed Cassidy's story leading up to their death and getting to know their hopes for the future and how much the happiest day meant to them. It would've added so much more to the tragedy and made the connection between the player and the victim(s) so much more intimate.

I completely agree! Everything kinda went down in my opinion after 6

Yeah, it would've been better if he had just subtle appearances leading up to his return instead of focusing the entire story about him all the time. Because hat would actually make his return more interesting.

He's got a severe case of Boba Fett Syndrome.

@@DistractedGlobeGuyWhy is this so true 😭, that new show missed what made him iconic minus his physical appearance

@@troppie7823 I wasn't talking about the appearance-I was talking about him being a stupid throwaway background character that fans artistically glommed onto so now the writers have to retcon him into some kind of ultimate badass when that wasn't what he was originally created for.

​@troppie7823 I mean that struggle was there in the legends stuff too, especially with Karen Travis. She tried to make the mandolorians, using Boba as a way to do it, an op awesome warrior culture that Handley could beat jedi in intelligence and skill but that gave her a controversial rep. This got worse in legacy of the force mainly because threw writers were doing the series thus making the mandos and Bobas sudden importance in her books obvious. The fact that the sequel series swerved to show the mandos as amoral mercenaries who would hurt kids and were beaten by jedi indicates that the opposing side could do it too (she had left star wars by that point I think). To be clear I think it's more she's of British military and wants to show the military as cool in whatever she can. See also her controversial take on halo.

I would argue there wasn't much to bobba in Empire? He's a plot device with a hint of character. Any development he had was from non movie stuff. That being said I agree. All the other takes, including the one I bring up in my other comment, get his very base empire characterization better and build on it more substantially.

not to mention the grasping at your franchise with a ‘ young apprentice killer ‘ whose existence is so botched their rise to evil is a major plot hole that gets overlooked by the writers for the sake of continuing the story

@@miccia3561 I didn't even think about that but it's so true

Michael afton Michael Myers All makes sense

@@miccia3561 yeah, how did it go from "child murderer gets killed by the thing he used to kill with" to "computer virus makes user evil"

@@miccia3561 Ugh EXACTLY. They absolutely fumbled the bag with that one.

I think Springtrap was one of the few plot ideas Scott had during the first game and saved for later. There is a green rotten bunny drawing on the wall in the very first game. He said Bonnie gave him nightmares during development, too. Even the Puppet had to get scenes retroactively, meaning that wasn't planned.

Like Chucky. He has also used the term "I always come back "

Micheal Myers and Jason.

@@Johns115 I think he's most similar to Chucky

Yep, I told my brother this about 2 months ago, and it does not always mean its a bad thing, myers is one of my favorite villains ever, just William Afton needs to be more scary, I think him attacking Gregory in SB would have went a loooooong way to making him still seam like a threat.

i mean, that's not a problem, if it really does come back, it needs to come back scarier and more intimidating, which chucky didn't do that often

Very true. My opinion though? Burntrap's design should've been used in Fnaf 6; it's honestly a really excellent design with how humanoid he looks.

yeah but if scott did that then he might have actually needed to (god forbid) make the model of the corpse beneath the suit actually look remotely decent instead of like... that

​@@dylan.bissendmylife Literally anything Scott could've attempted would be better than Scrap-"skull ear"-trap.

@@Imperials3nate imo I don't like burntrap. Hell I prefer scraptrap over him, his design is way too modernised and stylised. He looks more like a fan-made drawing of ignited springtrap rather than an official design. Oh and he also looks like an old man.

@@concept5631 Scraptrap is a cool design. I'm sick of people acting as if springtrap's corpse design is any better, springtrap's corpse literally has fucking guts on his chest and feet. Atleast scraptrap's corpse looks remotely humanoid instead of meat spaghetti.

tbh I think Springtrap's yes are much more unsettling than Burntrap's Springtrap's eyes look veiny and rotten, with that trademark white glow in the pupils, and those weird plastic shells ovr them Burntrap's eys are just. dark metal balls with purple leds in them

On god

There's something so soothing about his voice.

Love you fnaf novel dubs btw

@@Sabrina_Tea Im for the future I have bad news… he did 😔

​@@Sabrina_Tea what does this mean, I haven't kept up with anything, presumably Matpat, has been doing

That would've dope as hell

More than a cult, it would be interesting if Vanessa was one of those weird women that fall in love with serial killers and is trying to honor or outright turn into him by killing Gregory.

@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon Yeah, like all of the Jeffrey Dahmer stans.

​@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon I think it would have been great if Vanny had this backstory, and after Gregory defeats her either with her dying or going to prison, interest in William brought the cult into being and Gregory kept coming back as a final boy/new Michael type character for the series. the mimic is a really promising villain, and I love the idea that Williams actions are so terrible they are a literal parasite that always comes back....but I like those ideas SEPARATELY

I mean, Sigma did eventually stay dead after seven or so games. He never came back in the Mega Man Zero series, as far as I know. Who knows how many games it will take for Afton to stop coming back.

​@@darkskull1982 ,william afton is sama, william is dead in fnaf 6

Facts. I feel as if the fans wrote the story anyway because if Scott wrote the whole thing we’d be in time traveling ball pits.

@@Cam28388 why is FNAF so goofy 💀 like the story was terrifying until all this Willy Wonka bullsh*t came along, time travelling ball pits? Honestly. 💀

Pizzeria ending was THE BEST ending he could ever come up with, it literally ended grandiose and should've been the end of Afton, as well as classic animatronics/souls thingie. But with continuation it made everything just...pointless, the sacrifice, the work to contain everyone, just meaningless! Why oh why they couldn't just continue with Vanny when they CLEARLY set her to be the new villain in VR? Upsetting...

@@hotmeelk500 I agree, Fnaf should’ve ended after pizzeria simulator and started new in Fnaf VR. Springtrap was supposed to have been finally gotten rid off in the ending yet somehow returned as glitchtrap? It makes no sense and it’s a shame what the new games have become. They’ve just fallen into the rabbit hole of “indie horror games made for kids”.

if they are going to do it they better make their own story that just happens to be fnaf

Let’s hope he not get lock in the suit. Oh wait. 😅

Something that i wonder is how will they encorporate a dead body in a robot, because springtrap in the game has HUGE eyeballs for some reason

@@ivanalves8506 They're trying to stay as true to the game designs as possible, but they still have full creative control. I wouldn't mind if they changed some things about him

Like zoinks scoob the sprinlocks shut man

@@ivanalves8506 if I remember right they’re animatronic eyes (which implies his eyes got popped out and replaced with robot ones when he died

Sort of like the lich in adventure time

@@thegoldendiamond6762stop baiting people bro sooner or later some idiot is gonna fall for it lol

@@thegoldendiamond6762 none of us were, and that's just gross and wrong

@@thegoldendiamond6762 Who?

@@thegoldendiamond6762 stop that’s gross bro

@@thegoldendiamond6762 we don’t care

But that’s just a theory

A GAME THEORY Thanks for watching

He didn't even know the difference between springtrap and Vanny

We still need a 4th theory channel

I may have to be more frequent here

woah that's awesome man

Well he is for a horror attraction

@@thegoldendiamond6762 you will ho to hell

Probably looked less creepy when he was new

It is kinda sus that the people who found him just went "noice, this is perfect for our new horror attraction!" and never saw the very obvious pieces of dead guy in there... I have to assume they were just stoned out of their minds

@@Rey_Palpatine The room was boarded up, I don’t think they knew about it.

I’m still confused as to why he killed kids aside from Henry’s daughter

@@miketrapper0464 I believe he got addicted to thrill of the kill, so too speak.

@@Oturan20 actually I saw one of marks videos I think it’s supposedly was so he can be immortal, idk it could be that or what you said

​​@@miketrapper0464actuallly no, he only did because he wanted to, he was crazy

@@PAPA42069 ah ok

I had that exact comparison in mind about Glitchtrap specifically because he has the same problem. No matter how many times he dies, the writers can always say his data was copied onto another device & if they say he's really dead this time & end the story, it'll be like "Really? Why didn't they have a backup that time? Why would they ever not have at least a few?"

He less feels like THE villian of fnaf, and now A villian of fnaf. Seeing Springtrap in SB "die" no longer feels like a turn in the series when we know that he's gonna come back. What makes a villian scary is seeing LESS of them, we never see bendy be the main enemy of every chapter in BATIM/BATDR, huggy wuggy isn't the main villian of poppy playtime, the less we see of these characters the less repetitive they feel because of how there's now a worry of "if they're gone, who's the next?" It creates a sense of new excitement for the new villian.

@@neversafefromwaluigi8853 Poppy Playtime's a bad example. It's pretty obvious they're going to use the "self-contained villain" formula for their game's chapters and Huggy's only the face because he's more marketable than Poppy herself.

it was funny when purple guy but now it no funny

That’s partially what made X8’s ending so good, it did away with that.

I've seen people say it'd be silly, but... Ghostface isnt seen as silly, and he's typically an angsty teenager, so Springtrap would be more than welcome imo

Same i find the fnaf timeline way too confusing i miss 2016-17 Fnaf 1-4 are the best games imo

I agree. Purple Guy was way better than anything William Afton could have ever provided

That’s just you.

I was hoping for that to. But I also wished that Glitchtrap was just an AI copying Afton's behavior That would have been really cool. But no, Afton's back.

Mega mind game is out

I always thought he did it on purpose. Just like how he stares at you from the doorway or from the window, or waiting the player on purpose. The animatronics from the first games are desperate, he's not.

Doesn't help that it's just, not scary.

Someone else literally just commented the same thing and they show up under you for me

I are remember somebody on Newgrounds Forum making the joke about "Sigma vs Afton Rap Battle" or something like that.

I ship Elizabeth and Chris Afton just so you know

@The Golden Diamond who is Chris? Or is that the name of the Crying child?

@@thegoldendiamond6762 You've been spamming the same comment everywhere in this comment section. Just for you to know: No one cares. We both know you're just trying to get the attention your parents forgot to give you, so you type weird shit in random videos expecting others' reactions on your brainumbingly dumb post, so you can feel like maybe someone, out there, might care about you. But that's just an illusion; in fact: the more you make these comments, the less people are going to talk to you, and as your braincells melt in the liquid stupidity of your mediocre self, you finally realise that, Indeed, the only person that laughed was you. You're not getting attention, you're not getting love, you're just showing yourself as the buffoon you are. So, please. Take a break from social media, go outside, touch some grass, find your Lost father and rethink about your Life choices.

@@thegoldendiamond6762 get a life

@@complex2live the Crying Child doesn’t have a confirmed name so I don’t know who’s that person’s talking about

Honestly? I hope that shit happens in the Ruin DLC for Security Breach. Dude has nothing to go back to. He’s probably fully accepted his fate in hell, so being brought back for some idiot that worships him probably WOULD piss him off. So imagine if, in the end, he just says a fuck you to Cassidy and ends himself permanently, by choice this time, so he can say he won in a twisted way by not letting the kids be the one to end him/make him suffer, and drags Vanessa and extension Glitchtrap, who I think is still in Vanny, down with him so he “doesn’t have to suffer alone.” Freeing the kids as a result, ending Afton permanently, but still leaving simple high-tech robots as threats for those who want more of the series. I mean..the books have the mimic, so they can focus on the mimic, completely separate from Afton after he ends himself and takes every trace of himself left down with him.

That sounds so cool! Even Springtrap is sick of his villain arc being milked dry. 💀

To some point for some time but the more situations you put them in, the less it seems mysterious & the more it just seems like they genuinely have no motive. It's like when Half-Life 2 mods end with Gman showing up & saying something vague for no reason when you're playing as a made up character with no significance to the plot. It doesn't raise questions because you know no question will have an answer besides "He's popular".

Not always. It just doesn't have to be extraordinary for the sake of it, like the "searching for immortality" bs. Scott could just say he had a terrible childhood which is usually the case for most problematic people.

i can

lol

Who are? I would like to go on this marathon too.

Then why is golden Freddy called golden Freddy if he’s SPRING Freddy

So basically the entirety of help wanted just happened bc the devs were rushed, another reason as to why rushing games isnt good

Ironically enough, in the next game (Security Breach) it had the exact same issue of Devs being rushed, but literally irl... The irony lmao

Yeah, tho I just don’t like the logic of using the broken cpu for springbonnie, brings back william. This games lore sucks.