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Square Holes - 5 Methods To Make Them in Metal 

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@maurorivarola2704
@maurorivarola2704 Год назад
For a moment thought I was watching this old tony channel haha
@tootaashraf1
@tootaashraf1 Год назад
yeah lol
@noahstephens7622
@noahstephens7622 Год назад
I wish.
@zaq405
@zaq405 Год назад
I got the same vibe. TOT has been MIA for a while. I hope he's okay. I miss his humour.
@tune3garage
@tune3garage Год назад
Seems Tony has been playing with the time machine again.
@TheMrSepe
@TheMrSepe Год назад
Same here, is this the new old tony🤔😅
@wizrom3046
@wizrom3046 Год назад
You can make "reverse" files for your die filer machine. It is easy if you dont mind losing a bit of length. Use a blowtorch to heat the end of the file to anneal it (so it is no longer brittle) then just grind that new "handle end" to a round shape or whatever shape fits your machine mount. Then mount the file upside down. Obviously you can cut off the original handle end. 👍
@tim_sees
@tim_sees 6 месяцев назад
I was thinking something similar. Logic ;)
@skunkjobb
@skunkjobb Год назад
Holding a rotary broach that way without a specially made tilted holder for the tail stock was a nice idea. I have been thinking about a rotary broach but thought it was too much work for something I would use so seldom but a chuck in the regular tool holder can be used for so much more.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Год назад
You can drill holes slightly outside the shape of a square hole so that it will accept a square plug, and get a more fatigue-resistant structure for it.
@kurtbecker3827
@kurtbecker3827 Год назад
If you put isopropanol onto your file, it will be much easier to file aluminum. It prevents the clogging of the file and the finish is so much better. Equally well, I never drill a hole into aluminum without using isopropanol on the drill bit. The hole quality is like night and day.
@greggroos2271
@greggroos2271 Год назад
will give that a try
@danielelliott3659
@danielelliott3659 8 месяцев назад
I will try that also
@jackdawg4579
@jackdawg4579 Год назад
FYI - HSS lathe tooling works well enough for cutting square holes in a sliding style cutting setup like you used in your quill, and they will generally work with the grind they come with straight out of the box.
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Год назад
Yeah it does work, but I found that the edge doesn't hold up as well compared to silver steel
@whocares457
@whocares457 Год назад
@@artisanmakes Do you mean 1.2210 steel?
@JohnBrown-hx5oy
@JohnBrown-hx5oy 6 месяцев назад
I subscribed a while back and continue to watch your videos. This has become my favorite channel, and after watching your shop tour, I am amazed what you are able to do in such a small space! I really hope you continue making these videos. You are an inspiration!
@DavidHerscher
@DavidHerscher Год назад
There are nice cast iron kits for die filers available in several places online. Def worth looking into for anyone who has a need for one.
@makerunderground
@makerunderground Год назад
We sometimes use the same method as Joe in CNC machines to make hexes in implant screws, except in CNC it's easier to use a one cornered tool and index between corners. It's considered a form of skive broaching. Great intro, btw.
@greenetolstoy
@greenetolstoy 7 месяцев назад
It's almost 02h00, could not sleep and so turned on RU-vid. This was the perfect video for the hour. Great skills!
@drscopeify
@drscopeify 7 месяцев назад
Great video. For thin materials I use a hydraulic punch with square die.
@TIMHNL
@TIMHNL Год назад
I mount my files ‘upside down’, glued into a tube which fits the holder on the die filer. If you put the tube in the lathe Chuck, and the file in the tailstock, you can get them pretty true. Apart from then being downward cutting, the other benefit is that you can fit a handle onto them so you don’t poke your eye out 👍🏻
@RUBIZEN
@RUBIZEN Год назад
Finally! I know I'm not crazy. I saw a video of the Colt factory making 1911's. They were using a "filing machine" to make the cut out on the back of the grip, the area where the spring housing is held. If I recall the machine also lifted the file up a little on the non cut stroke.
@ChibabaDave
@ChibabaDave 5 месяцев назад
Would it be a shaping machine? A tool being driven to scrape a groove then free to lift up on the back stroke?
@sparkiekosten5902
@sparkiekosten5902 Год назад
I can barely afford good "normal" drill bits let alone these fancy square drill bits! I've got drawers full of cheap drill bits which prefer burning through the work instead of actually cutting anything! Now I am told I can't even use the for broaching tools?...Why have I saved all these dull drill bits for? I really enjoyed the intro, made me smile! Keep up the good work!
@CharlySardo
@CharlySardo Год назад
Best part about machining (at least for me) is that there is so much I don't know and so many people to show me stuff. Thanks for the video.
@123prenyvkmg
@123prenyvkmg Месяц назад
That was fantastic information, thanks.
@steveocvirek6671
@steveocvirek6671 Год назад
Love the home made square bit at the start - funny! Great informative video. Thank you.
@shokdj1
@shokdj1 Год назад
I think that square drill bit will be a game changer once it’s released
@kevinschulmeister2054
@kevinschulmeister2054 Год назад
Why start with a round drill bit when your looking for a square hole. Just use a sqare dril bit. Its so simple, but everyone wants to make a video.
@shokdj1
@shokdj1 Год назад
@@kevinschulmeister2054 it’s the 1st thing I’ll buy
@pmcKANE
@pmcKANE Год назад
I personally use round bits in an ever decreasing size remove material approaching the corners, right down to a few angstroms in diameter. Strictly speaking the resulting hole isn't perfectly square, but it's pretty close. Admittedly it does take a while.
@TalRohan
@TalRohan Год назад
love the off screen supersonic hacksaw use... I am a heat it up and wack a square punch in to it person but I like these methods....except filing I hate filing because its really hard to get decent files here. thanks for sharing
@markrichardson239
@markrichardson239 Год назад
Excellent!!! O.K., Machinist of 40+ years here in the Jobbing shop, and an Owner. Silver Steel, must be water hardening drill rod in this case. Tempering at 220 degrees... Celsius? ( I am American, Fahrenheit here where 220 would do nothing but boil water ) I have a rotary broach system, but never understood if id cammed to a small degree, but you just broke the truth to me, set at minor angle out of alignment. I now wonder, 1 degree, 2?... 3?? Awesome. Thanks a lot!!!! Mark
@fredbloggs4829
@fredbloggs4829 Год назад
I know at the end you mentioned there are many other ways, but a push broach with a press is a convenient way to make square holes. The Joe Pi method is really cool. Can that do blind holes as well?
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Год назад
Yeah I don't see why not
@bc8010
@bc8010 Год назад
Since you made that die filer, you could always make a die filer where the motor is on top and the file cuts down into a hole in the table, it would kind of look like a band saw lol.
@BasementEngineer
@BasementEngineer Год назад
Making a blind hole is much more difficult, especially if only one is required. Many years ago I built a tool that required a 3/8" square hole 3/8" deep to fit a socket set handle to operate the device. A fixed handle was out-of-the-question as it would have interfered with machining operations. I laid out the square hole and drilled 1/16" holes at the 4 corners, tangent with the sides of the square. Then drilled out the middle of the square with a 23/64" dia. drill. Hand work using needle files did the rest. Did not take that long to do this part of the job. Nowadays I would EDM that hole with my shop-built machine.
@feelthepayne88
@feelthepayne88 8 месяцев назад
You could also make the tool in two parts, one with the square hole as a through hole and then the other half, either a transition to round socket or whatever and just line up the holes and weld them together. Might not work for every application, but should be a useful solution for some parts.
@jonroesler8155
@jonroesler8155 Год назад
EDM, including wirecut EDM, is also an option. Along with plain broaching of holes.
@kennyg1358
@kennyg1358 Год назад
Pretty neat having Chris as a neighbor!
@moshb9898
@moshb9898 2 месяца назад
Method ❌️ Technique ✅️
@pudnbug
@pudnbug Год назад
I have made many cutting tools with 'silver steel' (drill rod, to me), and all I did was heat it to yellow and quench it in oil. Sufficient tempering seems to take place during the cooling process. If I was making a drill, or similar cutting tool, I chucked the tool in a drill press and heated it while rotating before lowering it into an oil can, so it would not warp.
@over-engineered
@over-engineered 6 месяцев назад
When I was an apprentice, we all had to make a hacksaw frame each. Part of the design involved filling a 1/4” square hole to a rather tight tolerance - through 1/2” thick steel.
@ThantiK
@ThantiK Год назад
@4:06 -- You should add some air assist to this. There's a lot of build-up of chips in your file, and getting that out of the file during each stroke would probably help it function faster.
@danielelliott3659
@danielelliott3659 8 месяцев назад
Excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to do this
@felixu95
@felixu95 Год назад
Let me know when those square drill bits are ready for mass production, I'll need quite a few of them for this bridge I just bought
@ignazachenbach5406
@ignazachenbach5406 Год назад
9:55 this method is my favorite since the concept of "pressing metal away"-and at such a relatively slow speed!-is cool as heck.
@LaraCroftCP
@LaraCroftCP Год назад
@0:48 the square Drillbit! Applause, applause, applause😂😂😂
@kajbyman3006
@kajbyman3006 7 месяцев назад
Thank's for the video😀
@RixtronixLAB
@RixtronixLAB 8 месяцев назад
Nice video, @7:36, precise square, thanks :)
@Tornussen
@Tornussen Год назад
Very good! I made one turning tool by my self to turn square holes. Here it var som other good examples too.
@davedunn4285
@davedunn4285 8 месяцев назад
I enjoyed it very much
@aguilayserpiente
@aguilayserpiente 10 месяцев назад
Fine education. Fine editing and acting.
@willgund779
@willgund779 Год назад
That's right... it goes into the square hole.
@christianpaulroldan4010
@christianpaulroldan4010 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video
@spiritburners
@spiritburners 9 месяцев назад
I love the Die Filer......Lovely machine
@billshiff2060
@billshiff2060 Год назад
For your die filer it should be possible to grind the tip cylindrical to fit the receiver and allow down filing with a bit of loss of stroke but I think it can be managed.
@matthewm8876
@matthewm8876 Год назад
There's one method you didn't cover that was very common about fifty years ago, and it's similar to the square punch cutter you made. It's just a stepped broach that is forced through the material, each step cutting a little more material.
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Год назад
For sure, I can't do it in my workshop since I don't have a press but it is definitely a good method
@timothypollard1280
@timothypollard1280 Год назад
I have used the cnc quill to press the broach thru.
@WRWhizard
@WRWhizard Год назад
Here in Turtle Creek / Wilmerding Pennsylvania, USA.there was a company that made square and hexagonal drill bits. It was on Airbrake Ave. This was the home base for George Westinghouse. My math / geometry teacher had one and demonstrated it on a bar of soap. He was teaching something called a loci of points. The way the bit worked was there was a square jig, A block of metal that already had a square hole in it that the bit went into to guide it. With each revolution of the bit, the cutting edge would take off more along the square profile. At first it only cut along the edge, then it would hit the corner and the path would go along the next side of the square. If you ever saw the Spirograph toy it was a wee bit like that.
@philsmeanderings7991
@philsmeanderings7991 Год назад
Good watch , something cool about making a perfect square hole in steel. Yes that Joe Pie has some really good knowledge both old and new school.
@kenworks6068
@kenworks6068 10 месяцев назад
I learned a few good things today
@BJCP
@BJCP Год назад
Hey mate, might be a silly question, but could you turn your die filer upside down? This would make the needle files cut on the down stroke.
@vaulthecreator
@vaulthecreator Год назад
That's what my father did about 25 years ago. He also built his die filer and also had the same complaint of the file grabbing and lifting the work. He ended up flipping it and mounting it at the head of a busted drill press.
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Год назад
Yes you could, I might have to braze a shank to the end to give it a bit more length though
@andrzejporeda7281
@andrzejporeda7281 Год назад
Bardzo świetny jest ten pomysł na kwadratową dziurę pozdrawiam twórcę tego filmiku 👍👍👍👍
@violettownmicroenterprises1528
Thank you.... that was so good, learning is joy.
@K1LLA_KING_KONG
@K1LLA_KING_KONG 10 месяцев назад
For your average DIYer the best method is your first method. A square drill bit. As heavy machinary is not required. The issue with the square drill bits is they are very hard to come by. I have been to multiple hardware stores and looked all over the internet and cant manage to find any. So custom made square bits are they way to go.
@simona.6298
@simona.6298 Год назад
i´ve learned manual metal working for a half year and it is not as good as your hand work😅 Always no i only learn on CNC Machines, but it´s good to learn how it´s made manual or on conventionall machines
@th7800
@th7800 10 месяцев назад
As a blacksmith i make square holes quite often, we just hot punch the holes which is quite fast and easy to do. However i understand its not always the best approach for the job since the accuracy can be tricky.
@timfoster5043
@timfoster5043 9 месяцев назад
Hilarious intro. And you mentioned Chris from Clickspring, so I gotta subscribe!!
@Dzeroed
@Dzeroed 10 месяцев назад
Start off with some wood, use the metal to make a bridge, frets, and strings, and build a fender strat. Right there are even more ways to make them even MORE metal 😁🤘
@the4thj
@the4thj Год назад
Nice satire! I was not expecting that very funny. First time I felt compelled to comment.
@jimwhite282
@jimwhite282 Год назад
Thank you, it was interesting and informative with high production values. How did you determine when the silver steel became non-magnetic? The obvious of bringing a permanent magnet near it, or some other method?
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis Год назад
@@mmm365 The whole point is you don't need to measure the temperature, you just get it to the point that a magnet won't attract it. This is the same point that the internal structure of the metal changes to make it hard. It will be a red heat to get it to this point.
@petert9749
@petert9749 Год назад
@@ferrumignis Interesting: the video gives the impression the work piece is short of going red??? Thanks for video. Pete
@jamesbarisitz4794
@jamesbarisitz4794 9 месяцев назад
A refractory brick makes a nice bed for heating up small parts when heat treating. Two or three make a little chamber to contain the torch heat even better.
@FixNewsPlease
@FixNewsPlease 10 месяцев назад
We also used an EDM die sinker with graphite blanks or an EDM wire with .031 wire.
@neiloconnor9349
@neiloconnor9349 9 месяцев назад
Did you save the metal filings for thermite? I used to work at a factory job in the 1970s where I filed the mating surfaces of a pair of tweezers. I forced the unfiled tweezers into an opening in a die where a file reciprocated up and down. I had to wear leather protectors on my thumbs and index fingers. I was paid by the piece, and occasionally made OK money for the era.
@ZoonCrypticon
@ZoonCrypticon Год назад
A superbe video, thank you very much !
@runasings
@runasings 8 месяцев назад
Dude. Shalom!
@kevkev5935
@kevkev5935 Год назад
This is such an awesome video. Making that cutter from an old end mill was great in an of itself.
@BrucePierson
@BrucePierson 9 месяцев назад
You have a nice collection of machines in your workshop., but most people would not have all the tools that you have, so the old filing the round hole to make it square is about all that most people can do.
@wubforceone
@wubforceone Год назад
i appreciate the this old tony style intro haha
@antonk4398
@antonk4398 Год назад
Great work
@amalgunaratne6987
@amalgunaratne6987 Год назад
great idea bro thanks
@runcycleskixc
@runcycleskixc Год назад
There are screw-driven square hole punches that punch 1 mm sheet steel. Prob can handle 2 mm Alu sheets. For a thicker part >>> stack and glue multiple 2 mm alu sheets together.
@Aslan117
@Aslan117 Год назад
Easy to do with a cnc, you use a triangle endmill and create a non cycloid mouvement by synchronizing the rotation and mouvements
@David_11111
@David_11111 Год назад
really enjoy this one thanks
@markkoons7488
@markkoons7488 Год назад
Very interesting. Thank you.
@KonranW
@KonranW Год назад
Mom: We have This Old Tony at home. This Old Tony at home:
@allinalladityan318
@allinalladityan318 Год назад
Ihv seen a square hole in a solid granite stone measuring about 8ft by 12ft with a thickness of 4ft. The square hole is 2ftby2ft. The stone is part of a sculpture in a temple built about 500years ago in South India. There's also a granite chain measuring about 1ft in thickness for about 10ft in length, hanging over 20ft height.
@MattysWorkshop
@MattysWorkshop Год назад
Gday, great examples, I made a rotary broach and for making hex’s it’s brilliant, cheers
@gordonschmidt1402
@gordonschmidt1402 18 дней назад
I've tried running a 6" long Rotary Broach between an offset tail stock with a live center, and the work piece, and it seems to work just fine. Just wondering why I don't see any one using this much simpler method?
@ChefKevinRiese
@ChefKevinRiese Год назад
Great video!
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Год назад
Thankyou
@billshiff2060
@billshiff2060 Год назад
Getting better all the time. Q: the part made at 7:20 is not the same part shown at 7:40 and onward. Its hard to see but I don't see much relief on the second one. Why the change? Using the quill that way is a very old dodge used to emulate the powered or hand shaper/slotters of old, at lease 150 years old, not a new thing. Glad you warned about over stressing the quill drive.
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Год назад
It's the same part but I had to do another pass, the first cut wasn't deep enough. Cheers
@trashes_to_treasures
@trashes_to_treasures Год назад
Man, that is the most TOT intro I ever saw besides TOT 😅
@Tome13Eclipse
@Tome13Eclipse Год назад
0:01 I'm already waiting for the simplest method : Buy a square bit I was not disappointed
@aries6776
@aries6776 Год назад
Very informative, particularly the broach tool and heat treatment detail.
@Pushyhog
@Pushyhog Год назад
thanks again.
@feelthepayne88
@feelthepayne88 8 месяцев назад
You need to make an arm for your die filer with two adjustable hold down fingers that straddle the file and keep the work from lifting.
@itsmebatman
@itsmebatman Год назад
I have no idea how this ended up in my feed. I don't need to make square holes. I don't need to make any other holes either. But I still watched the full video. It was quite entertaining, although this algortithm is creeping me out a bit. ;)
@ECL..
@ECL.. 10 месяцев назад
Can you design the filing machine around the files that are readily available?
@drbarryva
@drbarryva Год назад
That’s right, it goes in the square hole!
@johnlagreca6288
@johnlagreca6288 11 месяцев назад
Nice video. Did you need any square holes to make the die filer?
@Ramblingroundys
@Ramblingroundys Год назад
All I heard in my head, "I goes in the square hole."😂
@mr.sadghost8507
@mr.sadghost8507 Год назад
That's right, it goes in the square hole!
@cedricbrun4241
@cedricbrun4241 Год назад
Why did you used salt in the quenching water? I've never seen that before, is it to increase the boiling point or to decrease the specific heat capacity? maybe it's for something else?
@ThatOneOddGuy
@ThatOneOddGuy Год назад
Aussie old tony
@MikeBaxterABC
@MikeBaxterABC 7 месяцев назад
I will add two ,ore methodes, First a proper 4 sided broach tool for the size of square you need, they are priced at $300 to $1000 depending on thre size And? a simple square file but used as a BROAH .. this works surprisingly well and very cost effective ... just push the file though a pre drilled with a Arbour Press etc.
@Blurgamer17
@Blurgamer17 Год назад
That's right! It goes in the square hole.
@saijuakshaya1983
@saijuakshaya1983 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for you also
@craigtate5930
@craigtate5930 Год назад
I have also had good luck hammering square HSS bits through round holes in aluminum...obviously you have to protect yourself from the hss chipping/ exploding...but with some simple preparation it works rather quickly
@JordanHaisley
@JordanHaisley Год назад
Could you turn the die filer into an over arm version to use standard files?
@kniefi
@kniefi Год назад
What about edm wire cutting? Electrical discharge machining? Can get some crazy tolerances with it!
@750triton
@750triton Год назад
Can you alter standard files so they fit the machine the "wrong" way around? You're not using the whole length of the file, so why not
@simmo5071
@simmo5071 Год назад
Why did I watch this, just interested!
@davidrees3770
@davidrees3770 Год назад
Two thousand k’s? Just an afternoon’s drive, mate!
@Jellooze
@Jellooze Год назад
This is a bit of a crazy idea about the die filer, How about mounting it upside down that way "normal" files would work better for it but obviously keep the work surface the "right" side up. You will need to come up with some kind of method so you can either lift the file up (like a sewing machine needle) or lower the work surface down.
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