We'll see. Compatibility with udh exclusively will either persuade more brands to use udh or ditch Sram completely. But what if the entire industry moves to udh and then Sram discontinues it to bury competition? That feature makes this destined to be either a total flop or market domination. Which one it will be is yet to see.
well, I don't know if Sram has gone too far technically. Regarding the price they have, if a drive train costs as much as a decent cat4 entry level fully with an alloy frame it's clearly absurd
Can't wait for direct mount cassette for better stiffness. If cassette worn you have to replace wheels. It's perfect solution and reduce carbon footprint.
Bin done! Intend and HxR made cranks with a freewheel mechanism, with the cassette then fixed to the rear hub, both are cool systems and used a standard cassette, just the hub was basically fixed.
Heavy, expensive and more flashy than functional. Presumably not compatible with available aftermarket cassettes like Garbaruk? These days, the more new stuff is introduced the happier I get with my old stuff.
Well go read the bikerummer article, it has more detail than this 18 minute promo video... But yes, it's not compatible with previous SRAM eagle. If I'm not mistaken only the axs shifters are!
I've got SRAM on both my road bikes and I love the system. However, this idea of removing the derailleur hanger is just stupid. There is no problem with setting up the B-screw, and having a hanger really DOES help with mitigating risk of breaking either the frame or the derailleur. This is just pointless.
I'd argue that it was stupider to integrate the Quarq PM to the chainrings, which is also made of one piece, making your PM consumable, but what I do know. I love how SRAM works, but lately their ideas are batshit.
@@M3GRSD surprisingly you can actually remove the chainring from the XX Quarq with integrated ring. You need a special tool, but you can unthread the ring from the powermeter. I was beyond happy to learn this, as that was the main stupid thing I thought they did as well. Thankfully not as dumb as the road powermeter/ring combos they are doing.
I mean, who else is out there? This isn’t in defense of their pricing, just that the competition in the market, outside of those two, is almost non-existent. Literally, SRAM has the only MTB 12 speed electronic groupset (which is now in its second iteration). Shimano hasn’t updated the MTB Di2 yet for some reason (sans their e-bike version), and the Chinese one that popped up a few months ago went silent. There’s no one to punch these guys in the mouth with better pricing and a competent product. It does suck, but that’s why I live for the used market 🤷🏽♂️
Cycling isn’t what it used to be. When I first started riding you had decent economic diversity. Plenty of blue collar guys and executives who got inspired by Lance and bought a Trek and did group rides. Now everyone that gets into the sport is a marketing professional who drives to the ride in a leased Audi.
1x14 will be the new standard in just a few years. But that will quickly mark the end of the 1x era. Mid-mount gearboxes will takeover from then on and derailleurs will become a thing of the past.
It's a great setup for sure! We (and SRAM) are not saying everyone needs to throw anything they have at the moment straight in the bin. Far from it. BUT, if you want the latest, best performing drivetrain tech, this is it.
Hub gears make sense for some applications, but the added weight, drag and awkward fitting to full suspension bikes are a limiting factor. Great for commuters though!
What stops them to make the polly wheel full instead of spoked? It wouldnt jam as well. Seems much easier then having 2 bearing system, as i assume they used here.
Blimey, it’s amazing how many grumpy people are complaining about a system they’ve never ridden that is given a glowing review by bike journalists in this video. Small bends in the hanger cause so many problems for smooth shifting and not everyone has a hanger repair tool. I’ve just been watching a video on RU-vid that showed how tough this system is to impact (Fanatik I think was the channel). This is too expensive for me at present but I’m sure it will drift down to cheaper groupsets eventually. I for one can’t wait until I get a version of this on my bike.
The reduction in cassette gearing gaps and chain line change alone would be enough for me to expect a significant improvement in efficiency and performance
As for the "No hanger = No problem" claims.....Hummm..🤔 Will it survive the "My heavy as fk E-MTB has just decided to fall over and land on the Rear Mech again" situation? Because this classic accident happens frequently and typically will bend your Mech Hanger enough to misalign your Rear Mech if it happens even once! So with SRAM's new system, all that impact energy is now transferred through the Mech's Direct Mount Clamp, into your lovely Carbon Fibre frame's Rear Dropout? We'll be reading about this design and it's faults in approximately 2-3 years from now......
It's a valid concern, but having tested the derailleur in seriously tough conditions it's withstood it all with ease. It is so much stronger than a traditional hanger and we've genuinely found any concerns about frame durability to be completely unfounded
It's not only mounted to the frame, but also to the axle which threads into it. So the axle is going to take the brunt of the forces in that direction. Since the axle is already designed to hold the wheel in all directions it'll just laugh at the bike falling over. It's a valid concern, but they've thought about it.
Thanks for the glowing review, but ouch $2500 for 0 or marginal improvement’s (a stretch) to our Pr’s versus high end cable groups. Thanks SRAM for the new technology im gonna need to wait a while.
Well, it's still a derailleur hanging off a bike. Except now if you crash and smash you'll probably need to fix your frame as well. An improvement in functionality that only dentists and sponsored riders can afford. 🤨 What make is that beautiful green bike in the video? My next bike will most definitely have a gearbox.
Trust us, it's super tough and genuinely don't need to worry about the frame. If you manage to break the frame AND derailleur in the same crash, we'd be way more worried about ourselves than the bike! The bike is a We Are One Arrival and it rides as well it looks 😍 Until gearboxes can match the efficiency of a derailleur system, they're going to struggle to take over, but plenty of options out there if that's your jam!
So every time you have a puncture,change tyres,change casette,fix wheels,install brake rotors you'l have to adjust the mech? Nice one SRAM you fixed the problem that never existed and then disguised a masive Inconvenience that it makes by saying its STIFER NOW.
Thanks for the comment. The setup procedure doesn't have to be completed each time you remove the rear wheel. The setup procedure only needs to be completed when you remove the derailleur, alter chainring size or move the drivetrain from one bike to another.
The whole function of the hanger is that when something goes wrong, it breaks before the derailleur breaks. In this case, your derailleur will break. This is a real revolution…not
This will keep shifting perfectly well after a hanger would have bent, we cannot state how strong it is! And if you do really break the derailleur most of it can be replaced individually
Ahh, I see bikes are getting super expensive, we need another competitor able to make competitive drivetrains similar to Shimano and SRAM. Maybe Microshift can step it up?
Microshift are making some great products! Shimano's budget stuff is great too, we're looking forward to spending time on their new CUES drivetrain. We think its great that technology is being pushed at the highest end and is genuinely an improvement on what's gone before, but the budget end is also way, way better than it used to be. Everyone wins no matter how much you want to pay. Want the latest, highest performing gear and don't mind paying for the latest and greatest? You're covered and will love it. Want something more budget friendly that works 90% as well? You're covered and will love it too!
If they're more durable though, it's makes sense, particularly for MTB applications. You'll lose way more in efficiency from the amount of mud the chain could be covered in
I’m eager to see this group in a mullet configuration on a compatible gravel frame (there are a few out there). Also, this makes me wonder how far away a direct mount road group is
@@EricPeelMusic It’s gonna happen. We’re seeing the UDH slowly roll out to a few allroad and road bikes recently. And now with GX transmission at a lower price point, it’s inevitable (in reference to the road group transmission).
So better shifting performance, at the expense of complete borking the rear triangle of your bike if you smash your derailleur? Heck, half the time with UDH you could even salvage your derailleur if you smashed it on a rock. This ends any hope of that.
The app will be around for a long time and to be fair, you only need it for the chain length. If you're buying a bike already equipped and setup, or just replacing a chain, you don't need the app at all in theory
how can a presented look so happy at talking and so uncomfortable in being on camera lol. but jokes apart, you did good. This has shades of 90s TVCs..."Are you tired of your old derailleur" lol
So I need a new crankset as well ??? The chainring mounting pattern should have stayed the same as Eagle previous, would have allowed at least some backward compatibility.
Great video,explaining the details of this game changer efficiently. I know I'll get it,either the XX or XO, just how soon is the question since my 2023 Norco Optic hasn't been riden yet.
Firstly, it’s ‘access’ (SRAM axs’ own description when it first landed) and it’s ‘de-rail-er’ Other than those silly rookie mistakes, good explanation 👍🏼
XT is killer for the money, but taking that out of the equation, in pure performance, we'd say T-Type is better. Bottom line is though that both are amazing drivetrains that perform so, so well!
Can I use my 2015 Specialized Epic now with an AXS Xo which replaced the old XTR Di2. Can keep using this frame whch is no Boost frame?. Thanks for this great video!
I think they just come up with random stuff that wasn’t really a problem then artificially create a new product to fix a problem that never existed then make all the new parts fit only the new part so you keep having to buy a bunch of crap over and over again.
You can still buy all their old kit though and the modular nature of T-Type is better than anything out there at the moment. What you already have is great and if you want this, it's an improvement. It'll be a while before SRAM's older AXS and cable groups are no longer available
Maybe I didn’t hear but are you able to fit the new derailleur on to an old frame that uses a drop? Or does the frame need to be specific for the new derailleur?
Is it made of vibranium ??? Wtf price man.. are they mad? You can buy a veeery decent brand new bike for the prife of the cheapest of these... i realy don't get how they get to evaluating the items at these prices...
They are not cheap for sure, but as with everything, the newest tech costs the most money at the start before it trickles down to lower levels. The first car to get full Apple CarPlay was a near £200k Ferrari FF. Now, 10 years later, a humble £15k city car will get the same tech. It might take the bike industry a bit longer, but eventually, this tech will be trickle down to a far lower price point
#bikeradar right I've just got back into riding since black Friday and I'm looking into the XO power meter, I've currently got a dub/egal/GX build and I've I keep seeing the XO power spindle cranks without a BB and I've been wondering if my old (200 miles max) bottom bracket would fit as it's still dub bottom bracket and as it's press fit it's safe to say I really don't want to change it until I medically have to
Will you be able to use the new cranksets with the current gen GX Eagle AXS cassette, detailed & chain? ( like when you want to upgrade to a power meter on the GX AXS)
@gidogeek, great question! You can use the new cranksets with older Eagle drivetrains, so if you want to add a power meter you can do. However, you can't use older Eagle cranksets with the new T-Type chains and groupsets
Why do you guys just repeat the marketing of the big companies without any thought at all? The mech hanger is there for a reason. It saves your bike frame from damage. This looks horrendous as all the force of an impact will go straight into your carbon bike!
It's a valid concern regarding durability, but believe us when we say it is sooooo much stronger than you'd think. You really don't need to worry about damaging the frame 👍 As for repeating marketing, we test all kit extremely thoroughly and we're not afraid to say if we think something is bad. In this case, our experiences on the trail tally with SRAM's claims; it works exactly as they claim 👏
You can use the new crankset with old Eagle drivetrains, but not the old crankset with T-Type. So you would need to buy the crankset and chainring as well as the chain/cassette/controller/derailleur
Thanks for the comment. You're right, the current We Are One Arrival isn't compatible with SRAM's Universal Derailleur Hanger. However, the Arrival we used to test SRAM's T-Type Eagle Transmission is a glimpse into its future UDH compatibility; you can expect to UDH compatibility on Arrival frames soon. If you'd like more information, we suggest you speak to We Are One directly.
Amazing system. Too bad only the chain and controller are the only components backwards compatible with existing AXS. Owners of bike frames without UDH can only salivate. The alloy cranks look fire!
What if there's misalignment of frame dropouts, because there's loads of mass produced carbon frames with poor QC, so this could result in poor shifting. Also, the serrated metal washer will eventually grind its way into your carbon frame lol. What also is absorbing the impact of a mech being hit, If not the old trusty 6061 mech hanger? the wheel, hub?
If you have a bad quality frame, expect bad quality shifting. "What if I have a Lada? Won't I be able to go F1?" The washer won't move, there's a clutch mechanism where it mounts. Part of the impact gets absorbed by said clutch. The rest is on the axle, hub, spokes, suspension, and then the frame with the frame only starting to absorb force once the other parts deflect enough. Force wise pretty much what a jump on a hardtail looks like... Once you get to that point on a fully though, any normal derailleur would be stuck in your spokes and you'll have a fun and expensive day with many many repairs anyways. And if your frame costs 10k just get insurance lol
Progress, it is a BIG step up from anything else on the market in terms of performance. Expensive? Yes. But for those who want the best, it is the best.
@@eugenedreyer4805 Have you watched the video before commenting your very well considered comment?... He says they have have been riding and testing it for quite a while already.
Bike radar comments : omg boo expensive why the change my old wooden mechanical one worked fine Vital MTB comments: omg this is amazing. But damn my wallet is going to hurt haha Guess even the Archaic roadies have rubbed off on the mtbers here.
While 8-speed was and is great, we really can't state just how good this is. Love it or hate it, the performance gap is huge. While we get the price is gap is equally huge, in years to come this will possibly become as cheap as 8-speed, be interesting to see how it trickles down!
Exactly, I have a 12 speed and never is a fan of it. Realistically, Im only using 5-6 gears. Only important is the big ring for climbing and smallest ring.
derailleur hangers were made to fail for a reason, get a stick in your spokes that grabs the derailleur and twists it around. the frame seat stay is going to be what fails. No way in hell would I buy this crap.
The brakes are only a subtle change as the calipers are still the same, so check out our news story on the website: www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-stealth-brakes/
My Vitus sommet with a carbon frame cost me £1800 & they want that much for a drive train & you’ll have to buy a compatible bike ……just for real racers & dentist mtb’ers
Well ti me it’s all about making money. Just like the 11s stuff is not compatible with the 12s stuff. So buy a while new drivetrain system? It is really new which means it’s gonna be exspensive. Wait a couple years then the prices go down then something else that is not compatible willl be launched! Then the cycle starts all over
So they managed to redesign the whole thing to make it easier on them... with no benefit the consumer. Transmission alignment problems were hardly a problem anyway, and electronic shifting made them pretty much go away. I could maybe see this for road bikes, but it's a stupid idea for MTB. UDH is the way to go.
Older AXS and normal Eagle drivetrains are very, very sensitive to B-tension adjustment, which this removes, so it is way quicker and easier to set up. Most riders would not feel comfortable getting the old drivetrains set up correctly and would need a shop to sort it. The benefits are there for sure; better shifting, better durability and above all, if you want another option, you can still use it with a normal UDH hanger.
Good breakdown - wow, looks awesome. It makes a lot of sense to me and I look forward to trying this out eventually but I'm not selling my bike just yet. It's funny how many people oppose progress. Of course it's expensive; this it groundbreaking tech but it will have a trickle-down that everyone benefits from in the coming years. Nice work Sram. I look forward to a full review of the gorgeous We Are One Arrival and those Convergence wheels...
It's funny that the industry makes or tries to make their products "idiot proof" but didn't realie that idiots are not usually the moat wealthy. Or are they?
here we go again, another incompatible new part designed to force riders to buy a new bike. bs. now you need a new super expensive deraileur everytime it hits a rock, great
Why can't you speak normal with a flow of words in sentences? This staccato hammering of syllables is annoying. The information get lost in translation.
It seems sram’s strategy is to make mechanics’ job easier, at the expense of all else. Mechanics will then encourage customers towards the brand. Sram also seems to be pushing towards a more, disposable industry; ‘doesnt shift properly?’ To the trash bin, buy a new one. Horror for cyclist romantics, but cycling is now fashion, and fashion is overnight, disposable and without a cost logic.
It will make mechanics jobs easier, but it will be easier for consumers to work on their own bikes too. T-Type also has more spares available than previous derailleurs, has replaceable parts and without every brand having to produce their own hanger, if anything we'd say its the opposite of disposable. Chains and cassettes that last longer need to be replaced less often too.
The public has the last word, I feel this will be a niche product, which to use requires a big initial investment from the consumer, with limited compatibility with whatever one already owns. Cycling as RC are intrinsically hobby activities, not fancy cars, or portable computing devices. Sram is working on removing the “hobbiness” of this sport, and I believe they will probably find a good niche of mechanically illiterate cyclists, who deserve to ride, but not at the expense of “kidneys”.
