Most tech companies, especially for hyped products, have an embargo to the exact hour a release video can be published for a new product. You're just seeing everyone maximize that and publish just as the embargo opens.
Embargoes work. Everyone reviews the stuff, writes it up or produces a video and then waits for that special release date. Today in this case. Exactly how the auto industry works.
Absolutely not worth my attention. Sram should pay engineers much more and fire all that worthless marketing bitches department so they could lower their prices at least by half. And only after sram drops their prices, it might be considered for purchase..
I believe the claims that this drivetrain is the best shifting you can get on your bike. But the difference in cost of XO and Deore would get you a good hotel room in Moab or Crested Butte for a week, the extra difference for the XX would cover most of your travel and food. I know there are plenty of folks who can afford the XX and a vacation, but this is always how I think about the price of parts.
The energy that's going on the Derailleur in Case of a crash, where does it go? Frame? In case of Fullys maybe even the Shock? The force of the impact will go somewhere and not just evaporate magically... I'm really curious how this is going to work out...
I was thinking the same thing, when you hit a derailleur (or put it in the spokes) the next thing past the hanger that usually takes all the force is the frame, and carbon frames already don't like super high impact twisting forces. So I'm very skeptical of this
Ding, ding, ding! (And I don't just use the word "ding" lightly. Thinking about all the "dings" my rear derailleur, pedals, & chainrings have suffered from rocks!!!!)
Yeah, tech only the rich will be able to afford on their new bikes. 🙄 This tech makes the industry looks worse than it is now. It doesn't need more new, fancy tech, the industry needs lower prices on parts and bikes.
@Tivon Sanders, actually, the rich are not the ones buying these bikes or tech. The rich usually buy bikes in the 5 to 8 grand range. Upper Mid level. The individuals that are buying 10 grand plus bikes and 1000 plus mech group sets are under 35 Idiots with more money then IQ points. Or social MTB influencers that want the hits on there platforms. The MTB industry are praying on the Idiots that are all about flash and bling that exclusively ride bike parks. The recreational riders that usually ride single track, that includes the wealthy. Don't spend there hard earned money on usless shit like this new group set. True professionals that worked hard for there wealth, do not spend money on needless trinkets. It's the new easy wealth money like social influencers or young fringe professionals that spend money like it's never ending. I don't see many doctors, lawyers, dentists etc, living in grandiose mansions. Driving supercar, flanting dozens of Rolex's, wearing overall expansive clothing. It's the individuals that crave constant attention and recognition that these manufactures pray on with these usless pointless trinkets. A good cable actuated mech is more then adequate for the ruffest of trails one will ever ride.
@@PeterCPRail8748 Yeah, the idiots getting laid-off in my tech company that thought the pinata was going to last forever, lol. The whole, travel all the time on my unlimited PTO thinking it's not going to affect their work performance...or the people that think answering an email every couple of hours while at their kid's soccer game instead of actually WORKING from home is going to cut it. I bet there will be a glut of high-end bikes on the used market when those people can't pay their rent anymore.
@@TivonSanders nah. Don't buy it if you can't afford it, it is not as if cheaper bike don't exist. If you can develop, build, and sell this tech for cheaper then do so and you'll get rich, you'd be the next big thing in the bike industry. The entitlement complex in this comment section is strong.
Time to buy a regular mechanical GX Eagle derailleur as a backup for when my current one needs to be replaced. As if bike parts weren't expensive enough already lol
@@mushieslushiethere are still tons of new bikes that are still use quick release skewers, the market for the standard RD with hangers will never become obsolete suddenly
A key element to true innovation is cost. The low end on this is $1200 - for gears on a bike… I’m running EAGLE GX. Gear changes are clean, efficient and smooth. I really don’t fancy looking after another battery powered device. Perhaps one day, but honestly, I hope there is a mechanical version in the future.
I hope there's a lot of you guys who'll spend the cash now. That way, I won't have to later when the price comes down. I really can't afford this system for the amount of riding I do, and the type I do. But, at my advanced age, by the time this is "budget" friendly, I may be out of the sport . . . or in a box. 😵
@@zed5129 what was the reason? or derailleur made it , as he wanted by himself? Never had a problem with any Shimano drivetrain for 20+ years from Deore LX to XTR on near bikes mtb or road.
i was shifting while sprinting today on a flat bar cross bike running m950 rear derailleur with a 9 sp xtr cassette and a deore LX shifter. it responds to my shift inputs instantly and with 0 strain or groaning.
After two years of use, I had a bad experience with a GX Eagle AXS : one of the pogo pins making the connection between the battery and the derailleur broke. Of course warranty was void by two months. When contacted for a solution SRAM answered me that unfortunately there was nothing they can do to fix my problem. Solution proposed: buy a new derailleur!! I will think about it twice next time, that's for sure.
as someone who has been working in the industry for over 10 years, I can tell you SRAM's warranty coverage is abysmal at best. With Shimano, it's nearly zero questions asked unless it's absurdly old or there is no way to determine proof of purchase. additionally, electronic groupsets, as you've found out, have introduced many, many more modes of failure compared to their analog counterparts. consequently, we see more electronic components failing than anything else. I'll be keeping my cables until I die
In Ireland a 'shift' is a kiss and somewhat more specifically the teenage disco kind so it's funny to hear Henry go on and on about smooth shifts, great shifts, best ever shifts etc!!! Funny in a childish humour way😂😂
This is the entire purpose of this design. Wrap frame, derailleur, and axle into a proprietary system that they can invalidate by simply stopping manufacture of a patented battery.
Wait, isn't the Hanger supposed to be there for IT BRAKING OR BENDING instead of the frame getting damaged? Why are we evolving backwards? The line between brave and stupid is pretty thin, 600$ for a derailleur is on the stupid side.
@@jackso0926 So they are removing the less expensive to replace hanger that comes with bikes ( that people can also make on "their" own ) with something that is more expensive and is not possible to be made by 3rd party person. Woow
Was thinking the same, but looking at the way it's mounted it looks like the axel will take most of the impact energy.. could be wrong... either way I don't care I'm never going to spend that kinda money 😅
No it’s not supposed to save youre frame but your derailleur. how did you think some hanger is gonna save your frame. But i do agree with 600$ for a derailleur is absurd. when brands reveal something new they like to overprice it but come on sram 600$ thats like an entire bike
The fuse premise is questionable, it's more common for the derailleur hanger insert to bend from use than from a bump. if this derailleur hanger makes the joint more robust, the fuse are the parts of the derailleur hanger not the joint with the frame
The point of a sacrificial derailleur hanger was to ensure your relatively expensive frame wasn't the thing to be irrevocably damaged in a crash. Does that mean your frame is now vulnerable to damage if you use this group set?
It seems that with all “logical” amounts of force going through the deraileur it can handle them safely. With the cage wrapping around the axle (and not the frame) it is way stronger that a deraileur hanger while not putting any forces through the frame
FIFY: "The point of a sacrificial derailleur hanger was to ensure your relatively expensive frame AND REAR DERAILLEUR weren't the thing to be irrevocably damaged in a crash." This is a boon to derailleur AND frame makers. Win-win. Boat payments will be made :)
@@ApostolosK06 I'm afraid this is incorrect. The force does not disappear when it reaches the axle. It absolutely must react into the frame, as they are all essentially one rigid unit when assembled. I'm almost certain this derailleur must have breakaway elements, as the danger is not just to the frame, but to the rider in an abrupt stop if the rear derailleur loop were to snag on a large rock for instance.
if you go back to history, old bikes had fixed derailleur hanger which can bend and easily lose thread in case of a crash or when the mech gets caught on spoke. it can be quite frustrating to fix and can sometimes lead to frame replacement. (this is the fear that some might think of when sram removed the hanger entirely.) then comes the replaceable mech hanger, to prevent those problem from happening. once bent and lost thread in time of accident, you can just easily replace one. mech hanger really existed to attached derailleurs and to make it work properly. as you can notice, all derailleur hangers has notch to with the b tension screw rest. in short, this system may not be bad at all if they actually made it robust enough that during a crash you wont be thinking about your frame or derailleur but rather your life. also, replaceable hanger was meant to replace fix hanger and solve its problem, so this one here with sram xx is a new thing. so we should just wait and see how it fairs in the field as we cant reason our wives to buy it.
A friend had his rear derailleur and steel hanger & dropout wrap up and around with the rear wheel. He found a little shop in Europe and had the hanger bent back into place and aligned. This was about five years and hundreds and hundreds of rides ago. On a frame that already had over five years of serious riding and foreign travel on it. Kudos to Tom Ritchey for designing such a good dropout and derailleur hanger.
It'll be interesting to see how all this trickles down to the absolute dog shit that is SX and NX. Saying that, if I was buying a groupset, rather than making do with what came specced from factory, I'd still be all over Shimano. Deore mech and an XT shifter is all I need.
@@LCNismo sound like sram is total shitt! Especially considering it's price. I got XTR shifter and mech, Garbaruk cassette and chainring - works much much better than my former xx1 tranny, which appeared to be garbage that didn't ever work properly, shifted terribly even under light load.
Will that shifter work with previous axs systems? That's the only part of my GX system I dislike. EDIT : Just watched VITALMTB and apparently the controllers are backwards and forward compatible old and new. 🤞
I rode my friends AXS shifting bike last weekend and did not care for the thumb placement, and this one looks even more ...... "bulky". Until SRAM can pull off the trigger finger single shifts and multiple shifts like Shimano, I'll stick with my tried & true XT set that has worked flawlessly on my Ripmo for 4200+ miles. Good review though....I'm sure they'll sell like hot cakes, just like Sram wanted. 😉
Wish I had seen such labored intros. That era of Case was good. So were the Fiats. Man, Bromac developing here from my end down on the farm in Australia 🇦🇺😎
looks & sounds great, the price is high like most innovative things that are new to the market but i geuss sram need to pay for their R&D work, under load also sounds slightly better than shimano, the groupset has a nice finish to it to.
Can't wait to get a rekt frame from a derailleur without a dropout. I mean it makes sense because the new derailleurs are more expensive than my frame and the hanger.
Come on. Standing on something then saying its strong is ridiculous. Just putting your dead weight on it doesnt show anything. When your riding your bike you got your weight, the bikes weight plus speed. All that momentum and mass moving would equal several times that. At 180lbs moving 10mph, a 1 second rock impact would equal over 14,000 pounds of force! Having a safety that would break away before damaging your frame seems like a no brainer to me. Guess we'll just wait til some people throw out reviews after destroying their rear triangles... Or maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill..guess we'll see. Im not testing it out. Also im 230lbs so that force for me jumps to 18.5 thousand pounds of impact force...I just used 180lbs as an example cause it seems most mountain bikes are more fit than me.
Idk where 14,000 lbs comes from but 180 lbs at 10 mph coming to a dead stop is nowhere near that... it's pretty handsomely underneath the forces sram rates their derailleurs to be capable of handling
@@joshuaandress3666 sure the new derailleur can handle a lot of force but that's the thing, where does the energy from the impact go? To the frame of course.. The derailleur might survive a crash but how about the frame? Making a derailleur overly stiff only puts more strain on the frame. I'd rather have a bent derailleur hanger than a bent derailleur or frame The reason we had derailleur hangers in the first place is so that it would be the one to absorb the impact energy and break instead of the derailleur or frame
@@trailfork7815 Fanatik just put out a torture test where they smashed one one the bike and they mentioned that it disperses the force to the rear axle really well and the tests seemed to confirm it. I hope we don't start to see cracked or bent frames though
From the title of the vid I thought there was a new Sram gearbox to compete with Pinion. I rode a Zerode Taniwha for awhile and loved the 1st gen pinion gearbox, except for the pinhole sized drive-side oil leak that Gates and Pinion service somehow couldn’t get rid of after returning it twice 😂. Gearboxes are awesome and the drag is not even noticeable compared with crunchy cassette shifting when you’re drivetrain is full of mud. There’s even thumb shifting available now, although the grip shift was easy as hell to get used to. The momentary release of pedal pressure when shifting was a lot better than constantly being worried about when to shift Eagle under load. I’m now riding full XO1 AXS and Flight Attendant on the YT Capra Uncaged 6, which is definitely nice. I guess the next bike in a year or two might have this on it 😮
Yeah, I agree. "Transmission?" Hardly. It's a damn rear derailleur, just like all the rest! But I disagree with your next point. Muddy, trashed drivetrains are still more efficient than gearboxes. It explains why the chain/cog system has prevailed for over a hundred years. You may want to listen to the most recent Pinkbike podcast with Jason Chamberlain, 20-year Specialized "suspension engineer." He spells out the drawbacks of gearboxes pretty objectively. That said, I really like the Pinion and would love to have it with a carbon belt on a bike. It's sweet!
@@dudeonbike800 yep, i know there are plenty of reasons gearboxes haven’t made there way into many other bike brands. Deviate started with one and then went to the derailleur :). I was so excited by the prospect of a Sram gearbox that brands would want to spec on their bikes. Sadly no. You’re right, just another derailleur. I’d ride it in a sec though if I had the chance. I love any innovation, even incremental steps forward like this. I understand Shimano has a patent on an internal geared hub which is also kinda intriguing - minus the rear axle weight. Less gears with bigger steps between gears like the 9 speed Pinion. I rode the 12 speed gearbox though.
The integrated hanger mounted to the axle is a great idea, saves the frame from impacts since the axle will be taking the twisting and pulling forces. The worst it could do is dig into the dropout face if it gets really twisted, but the rest of the derailleur will probably give up before that that point. I still feel like it should still have a break away feature, such as a heavy detent that holds the derailleur to the hanger that can be reset on the trail.
@@Lesdig891 lol, it’s mounted to the axle! that 29” wheel has a whole lot more leverage and abuse than the derailleur. You put you entire body weight, g forces and pedaling toque into the frame through the axles, I think it can handle a derailleur mounted to it.
Not sure what problem this is solving tho.. The price is a joke and it still has a long cage derailleur to smack on rocks. Despite its design flaws, i still use sram gx 10-speed short cage because it keep's the derailleur far away from the ground. Yes i don't have the magical "520%" range.. but i also don't have to worry about it smacking thing's either.
Wait you forgot to say the hanger prevents the derailleur from destroying the frame, if the derailleur is that strong I has the potential of damaging the drop outs which is far worse than breaking a derailleur
I’m very happy I picked up the light weight 2022 X01 (wide 55 chainline) crankset derailer, shifter, and cassette for my new build. Before I’m forced to buy this much heavier group. And the change they made on the gearing steps in the low gears ⚙️ I wouldn’t spend much time using them I would rather have something with better gear choices in the cadence zone.
well that price seems hefty but to be fair if that thing is modular (if i understood correctly) and durable at the same time your probably make it worthwhile if you are prone to breaking your mech often
For when you've run out of options for innovation, solve some problems that don't need to be solved. Extra bonus points if you can make it incompatible with anything past, present, or future.
The derailleur does not twist from any pedal or motor torque as it controls the slack side of the chain. Pedal and motor forces only affect the top side of the chain.
Everyone fretting about broken frames has no idea what they're talking about. The axle bolt is super strong and won't break. Old frames used to have fragile derailleur hangers built in to the rear dropout - they weren't bolted on, so when they broke the frame was toast unless you found someone to weld it back on.
I can understand it sort of for the racer, the totally dedicated rider that wants to change under stress, has to set their best time every ride, but for an average rider like me, i dont care if i stop on a hill , i already back off to change gear, and as the cost is HUGE, as like Shark Tank, im out, but for those who demand perfection, looks good. I would prefer the shifter to go sideways, or be smaller, its a big lump of stuff. Good to see the Pinkbike family enjoying electronics on their bikes, now for E bikes and built in gearboxes
I have a one year old SRAM GX Eagle 10-52 cassette with two cogs completely sheared off in the 52 because of metallurgy problems. Yes, it's under warranty, but if they can't get the metallurgy right to successfully make a 52 (theoretically which undergoes the lowest stress on the cassette) then why would I pay $2k for a new transmission from them? The quality just isn't there.
So if you hit that derailleur, what will break? Either derived or frame? Yeah thru axles add strength, but with an impact the carbon would also could take a hit
I must peface this by saying I usually don't like the things that SRAM does. But for all those saying that everyone is going to suddenly be destroying their frames; first off, you won't. Second off, if you're still at an ability level where your biggest worry is constantly smashing your derailleur, then this system is not for you anyways.
@@LastAphelion apparently a smoother less chunky engagement compared to SRAM from what I notice. I have another build with. GX setup and I feel that’s the only difference.
Can I still use my thru axle with a handle to easily remove/put-back-on the rear wheel, or do I now need a wrench to remove/put-back-on the rear wheel? And if I need a wrench to remove/put-back-on the rear wheel, must it be a torque wrench?
I like the concept. But as a mechanic, I know that if it can go wrong, it will. If sram comes through on the parts replacements it may work out. But things tend to break and bend in real world different than the lab. Also know that those replacement parts may be as much as a whole derailleur from a non T or AXS system. But if it's as robust as sram says, it may save u money and time in the long run???
I feel that people are forgetting that the motor in the derailleur disengages to soak up impacts. Any residual energy would be soaked up but the moving bits in the derailleur. I can’t imagine this being much harder on your frame than a regular der with hanger. But I guess we’ll see in the future
The concern is not small impacts, the concern is the derailleur or chain snagging on an immovable object or being sucked into the spokes of the rear wheel.
