@@MohitSharma-so9st yea, cause everyone got 1000$ to waste on drives. Like with that money you could get a pc. (not now because of the shortages but still)
Candi Soda being a network engineer for 21 years, I used to tell people not to turn their computers on its side or the data would drain out. Same thing with the monitor, the color would drain out. I was actually shocked how many people actually believed me to. The best was when someone complained that the printer said the toner was low & they didn't know how to fix it. I said it means you need to put the printer higher on the desk.
I'd rather you'd buy some more RAM or an SSD because their write speeds are faster than ever and their SOOOO cheap nowadays but If you don't want to just install Avast or any other antivirus they remove crap from your computer so you can stick with a HDD
I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but in case you're not, here goes! Replacing the hdd on an older computer really won't do as much for you, because the rest of the system still can't process the information quickly, no matter how quickly the hard drive(whatever kind it is) can deliver it. SSDs are important nowadays, because the rest of the system can handle data significantly faster than HDDs can hand it out, modern SSDs are now significantly faster than the computers that house them, with the only advances now being capacity and durability. Also, the speed of your programs, once launched, will still be limited to the number crunching power of your CPU, they'll just be launched much faster with an SSD. The SIZE of all running programs will still be limited by your amount of RAM(RAM speed has surprisingly little effect on pc performance), you'll just be able to populate that RAM with data much more quickly from an SSD. Smoothness of visuals will still be limited by the power of your graphics and central processors, but games and videos will launch, load, and save much more quickly with an SSD. There's a LOT more to it than, "the industry has been screwing us for years".
That's not really true at all. Many old laptops had incredibly slow 5400RPM or lower HDDs and replacement with an SSD can breathe new life into them. Old desktops also had slower HDDs, MUCH slower when it comes to non-sequential access, like an order of magnitude slower. Today is not like 15 years ago. Ten years ago Intel released Core 2 Duo and practically any dual core processor based system, besides the ultra low power variants used in low end mobile computing, are going to benefit from a modern SSD, providing they at least have SATA even if it's SATA I, or have a multi-lane PCIe SATA controller card added if PCIe 1. As for the speed of your programs, most things done on the typical PC besides gaming or video encoding, do not put much of a load on the CPU. The average 10 year old system probably averages under 10% CPU utilization, let alone something newer. Granted that is only an average but for momentary purposes it only needs to keep up with realtime activities like video playback, something that's been offloaded to GPU for around 10 years too if you ignore the sluggish intel integrated video from a few years past. It is true that the industry hasn't been screwing us for years. For years there were SSD available already, but we had to wait for SATA standards to mature to be fast enough, for flash chip process size to shrink again and again to bring capacity down to an affordable level, and for SSD controller tech to mature.
Yeah, we're on the same page about most of this I think. I'd estimate that the average pc made before about year 2005 won't show any significant difference between a MODERN HDD and a top of the line SSD though(which was my original point). Your CPU load estimates are pretty inacurate I'd say, considering that Core2 CPUs came out in 2006, and the very best of those are rapidly approaching unusability with modern programs, spending the majority of their time above 50% load with anything more taxing than checking email and Craigslist(I know a lot of old people). A decent modern PC with that old 5400RPM HDD will be WORLDS more useful than a 2006 PC, with a dual-core, 4GB of DDR2, a GeForce 6600 GT and the worlds fastest modern SSD.
+XxBigDAWG22xX M.2 slot for your Windows - a lot faster than the regular SATA connector SATA express (16Gbit) for your SSHD - Not as fast as the M.2 ssd, but a LOT faster than the regular HDD even the 10 000rpm
yeah thats what i do im pretty happy with it. but only people with some knowledge should do that because you often have to change the paths when installing programs or downloading stuff
I just missed a second hand 1tb kingston ssd for 200$ T-T didnt have the money on hand and it was gone . My point is , you can find the cheap if you are lucky .
Agreed! The cost for $:GB now is tremendously lower than just a couple years back. I just bought a 1TB SSD yesterday for $275(CAD) and the difference in speed over traditional HDD is game-changing. Very satisfied and would encourage others to consider even "Lower-end" consumer SSD to upgrade your rigs.
+HSD112 I got it from Canada Computers. If you're in Canada as well there's likely a store somewhere nearby to grab one at the current "sale" price until July 7. Here's a link m.canadacomputers.com/mobile/itemid/091859 There are also similar performance SSDs in a comparable price range. If you can't get to Canada computers to pick one up I'm confident Amazon also has them available for the same pricing. Hope that helps
@EclipseTrips The new Microsoft Edge sucks as it is available only on one platform as far as I know and it's getting too much attention it doesn't need
6 years later and this video is still the best to show someone who wants to know the differences. I sent this video Who wants to change laptop's disk to ssd.
I know right, it's actually really nice to just watch and relax while reading some tips on a loading screen, I sometimes like waiting for some reason, and when things get too fast, I rush, again, for some reason
@@mr.aizawa5257 A lot of people who have a lot of media to store tend to choose a smaller SSD for their boot drive which allows for fast boots, fast frequent program starts and fast game loads for games stored there. Other media like other games, movies, etc are stored on the slower large HDD
@@vista9434 since I draw digital art, I needed a lot of file space for fairly cheap. For what I do, I felt the ssd was unnecessary, because it would barely take advantage of that faster ssd speed.
@@mr.aizawa5257 I do a lot of VM work as a hobby on my computer which requires stupid amounts of space (as you're basically emulating another computer inside your computer) though I still benefit from having an SSD as my boot drive (while having a 3TB internal storage HDD along with my network-attached storage) as I can hop onto my desktop or laptop quicker and not have to wait around for my programs to open. Laptops also benefit from longer battery run times as SSDs use less power than an HDD. Once you go SSD as your boot, you really don't want to go back
HDD: slow but good number of size Hybrid: Slightly faster than HDD. much slightly expensive than HDD SSD: Faster than all Hard Drives. good luck with the price.
Seems to me the hybrid is only slightly slower then the ssd for the price it seems thats the way to go because you can get a lot more storage for a lower price.
+Littlefabio Hybrid I believe is always the best option unless you are completely comp.. clumsy! I mean then you wouldn't need the faster flash memory of the hybrid anyway if that was the case. This is a bit old, and the RPM of the HDD is 5400RPM which is average but there are 7200s which go fair bit faster... That being said with 16Mb cache which is actually quite good it helps speed things along, especially ONCE IT GETS RUNNING. Having high cache and a 7200 RPM is still quite good especially if there is no option for a custom made laptop like in my case since I only have 5 - 6 Business days left before I leave... or if custom made is too pricey...
Pretty impressed by the hybrid drive, it's not a bad little bit of kit. Normal day to day use, it's great idea if you're building a budget pc but need the space.
Just wanted to say thank you. This is a great real world presentation on the differences between the 3 drives. Lots of people in the comments obviously didn't get the point of this video. Cheers man and thanks for the time you spent setting this up. One question. Did you use a kvm
I have one myself and the first boot times were about the same as my last hard drive (seagate barracuda) but after a few weeks of boots it its quite fast still not fast as an ssd but pretty close, now ssd prices are way cheaper so a hybrid is pointless now, you can get a 500gb samsung 850 evo for $150 now, thats enough space to get most people by. or you can go the mainstream route and get a 250 gig 850 evo for $75 for a boot drive and use your current hard drive lol
yea to me its not worth it now. if you install your os and have some small programs such as web browsers, everything becomes much more responsive because there is a much faster reads and writes for everything on the drive rather than a faster boot time which my pc is running mostly 24/7. if you save a little more for a 500gb ssd, even a lesser quality ssd of the 850 evo something like an Adata 512gb going for $120 will outperform a hybrid even in boot times not to mention indexing and accessing files. Its really just my opinion though and I know some people don't really mind having a mechanical drive and yea mechanical and hybrid drives are a really good value.
haha yes, at least the model I had in my laptop was super slow. I actually read up on that model and it seemed to be a common issue with poor performance. I actually just put in a Samsung 750 and it is very impressive with its responsiveness. I find it seems to be performing better than my 840 I bought years ago for my desktop.
im sorry but those were not 3 seconds and even if they were, 3 seconds on absolutely everything really add up - especially if u are a tiltable gamer , those 3 secs might save your computer xD
i just bought and now waiting for my new laptop, it has a 1TB SSHD 8GB SSD cache, i have taken my 256SSD out my old one and will add it,, . i will stick my software and a few games on the 256 but not sure if it's worth changing the OS?. as the specs. say it's on an *GB SSD cache anyway.. thanks
Yeah, an SSD will usually have a longer lifespan unless you're a business that constantly writes to it. SSDs usually only die because of hitting their write limit and that's usually not for a very long time.
Kellin Quinn my first ssd die after 1 year and few month, my secont ssd die after 2 years my 7200 hd never die and is still in use for more than 5 years. Ssd is just useless.
Cédric Yvon i had a ssd ADATA 32gb and it works about 1 year, the ssd are really fast but not trustable, i have hybrids right now and one ssd kingstone 120gb, will see how long it works
Having used an hybrid for about 2 years now, I can confirm that it doesn't make much difference. Those computers in the video are freshly formatted with Windows probably not even updated. After a couple months of normal use, it gets much slower (5+ min to boot and be able to do something with the computer) where with an SSD, the boot is still less than 30 seconds.
+snowiblind Rightly so. I think it's hilarious how much longer the HDD takes to load. They're basically inferior to SSD's in every way except price. (for now)
+APPLBL00M consumer grade for sure. im running two 7 year old 10k WD velociraptors and they are faster than a single 600gb ssd. but... they were $300 each 7 years ago for the 300gb version.
Be careful! If you write to an SSD a lot it can die pretty quickly too! Bear that in mind. SSDs should be used for reading operations mostly, such as an OS installation, some games (a big deal of them don't really benefit from an SSD) and software in general. For massive storage that you won't really access all the time (movies, music, videos), the HDD is still the way to go. What you could do is configure an SSD to cache a HDD with intel SRT to create a hybrid drive with all the performance of your SSD with as much storage as you want from the HDD. Sounded like a pretty interesting solution to me. I still want to do some more research on all this, and if it's generally better to use an SSD and a HDD separately, if it's better to cache the HDD with the SSD, if it's better to do both or just buy an SSHD. Since I currently have money for neither of those options, I'm not really worried. Hahahah. But it is nice to learn new stuff.
wait that's a 5400 RPM HDD. who the fuck uses that in anything but older laptops? It should be redone with a 7200 RPM HDD. that's what most of us Desktop users are going to have and use. I know the SSD will cream it but still
still better to get a 120gb ssd for OS and HDD for storage imho. No point getting hybrid, if budget is the concern. I rather get a cheap/small ssd, than a hybrid. If I want storage, I'll buy the cheaper HDD
batabatonica 'Hybrid' in this instance refers to the hybrid-drives, which uses HDD primarily for storage, and caches the most-accessed files onto a smaller (8-32GB) SSD partition. So not really.
40 seconds, everyday, lets say for 3 years = 730hours, that's 30.41 days of waiting. If you work, how much money could you make in 730 hours? Could you have used a tiny portion of that money towards a higher priced SSD? I'd hope so. :)
No, that's not how math works. It's 730 minutes, which is 12.17 hours, which is around half a day. Not even close. (40*365*3 = 43800 => 43800/60 = 730 minutes => 730/60 = 12.17 hours)
the time the SSD saves you now, you spent later in fixing all your lost work, because it decided to be 8MB large or simply not read properly anymore. SSD's are awesome, as long as they work. Dont put them into hybernation and DONT EVER cut the power abruptly or you pay for it dearly. SSD's are tough when you "baby" them.
Gotta say, after owning and using a Crucial MX100 CT512 for 6 months, and having (on multiple occasions) cut power to the PC, nothing bad has happened to the drive or the operating system installed on it... SSDs are getting incredibly reliable for the day-to-day demands of even enthusiasts, and not having to wait a whole solid minute before the login screen /even shows up/ (not to mention the many minutes after you login waiting for the system files to load) really does add up over the years you're going to be using that thing. I'm sorry sir, but I disagree with you on your assessment.
LimitAtInfinity Well, not to be rude, but 6 months is not enough to give you the baseline to an opinion. I have owned SSD's over years and I have gone through half a dozen. The last one that broke indeed lasted 2 years and was a crucial SSD. There are VERY reliable SSD's, yes. But the same thing applies to all of them. POWER the PC down properly, don't cut the power. Hibernation is fixed afaik. My Laptop is 3 years old with an SSD in it and it works 99% great. I own almost 2 dozen HDs and only one ever failed me....in 15 years.... . So yeah HD's still out last SSD's. All I am saying, don't trust your most important data to them. Booting and OS operations are bad ass.
abirneji yes, don't hold the power button to shut the PC or laptop off, don't take the power off or you WILL hurt the SSD. Sleep mode is fine. All manufacturers have fixed their SSD's afaik.
oBseSsIoNPC well I doubt Ill need to since it turns off so fast but sometimes it crashes mid update for me But other than that I have heard forcing it to shut down but holding the power button or removing the plug is worse for a HDD That and I have to force it to shut down when I get blue screen of death Cant figure out how to fix that
