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SSPX's "R&R" position doesn't understand the indefectibility of the Church 

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@MMC-jp1gl
@MMC-jp1gl Месяц назад
One of the reasons I am R&R (at least with the post Vatican II Popes before our current anti-Pope "Francis") is because a) there was no formal process of addressing the errors of the V2 Popes done, no Dubia's etc. and b) their heresies could be material rather than formal. Another reason I am not a Sede is Our Lord's promise that He would never abandon His Church...that it would be visible. If the Sede position is correct then the Church has been hidden and obscenely difficult to find and understand for almost 60 years. Until the Church formally defines a process for identifying and removing a heretical Pope that has been validly elected instead of just theologians and saints discussing it, then I try my best to know the Deposit of Faith and follow anyone in the hierarchy who also follows the Deposit. God bless~
@prevatican2catholicshow
@prevatican2catholicshow Месяц назад
All these points are addressed in the Thesis of Bp. Guérard des Lauriers, explained in detail on this site: thethesis.us Also read "The Errors of the Recognize and Resist System", by Rev. Damien Dutertre mostholytrinityseminary.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/RR_Dutertre_2022.pdf
@MMC-jp1gl
@MMC-jp1gl Месяц назад
@@prevatican2catholicshow Thank you:+) God bless~
@kristin1659
@kristin1659 Месяц назад
Regarding material/formal: It is possible for ordinary laity like you and me to be mistaken about a point of doctrine, but it is not possible for clergy to be ignorant of doctrine since that is part of their education and traing in the seminary. It is the pope's duty to pass on and defend the Faith. If the Cardinals elected a man who doesn't know the fundamentals of Catholicism I'd say the election is probably not valid and I'd treat him as a Bergoglio, a doubtful pope.
@prevatican2catholicshow
@prevatican2catholicshow Месяц назад
This doesn't affect validity of orders. Ignorant, badly or untrained (in this case traditional) priests were the subject of a famous article by Father Anthony Cekada: Untrained and Un-Tridentine: Holy Orders and the Canonically Unfit (2003) mostholytrinityseminary.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/UntrainedUnTrid.pdf
@MMC-jp1gl
@MMC-jp1gl Месяц назад
@@kristin1659 I agree that the clergy SHOULD know the faith. But the seminaries were hijacked a loooong time ago. So if a young man in good faith entered he was either lied to or subjected to two "faiths" that were taught i.e. modernism and tradition/the true faith. +Williamson notes this about +Ratzinger's formation. We are living in bat crazy times:+( God bless~
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 Месяц назад
What is a Montanist?
@PalermoTrapani
@PalermoTrapani Месяц назад
Late 2nd Century Heresy that a select group of members of the Church claim they were guided by the Holy Spirit to correct the Church in Rome for lax penances for those who had abandoned the Faith during times of trials put on them by the Roman Empire. Eventually, the Montanist would hold that any lapsed Catholic could never be reconciled back to communion with God and the Church (so Sacrament of Confession/Penance is not needed, etc). Saint Irenaus of Lyons went to Rome to discuss it with Pope Eleutherius when was bishop of Rome (174-189). Saint Irenaus of Lyons stayed loyal to Rome, Tertullian who was one of the first Great writers in Latin and was orthodox till 200 AD then He broke from Rome after that time. I am a Catholic who is in communion with all Post Vatican II Popes but I have make a correction on Fr. Palma's understanding of Church History. The Montanist was a late 2nd century heresy and the Donatist started in the 4th century and like the Montanist they broke from Rome and argued that only a priest in a State of absolute Grace can offer the Sacraments, so even if a priest had a venial sin, it would make any Sacrament null and void. Saint Augustine wrote many papers against the Donatist position clearly saying the Sacraments was a property of the Church and priesthood itself and not whether the priest was in 100% state of grace.
@PalermoTrapani
@PalermoTrapani Месяц назад
I answered your question but the Mods deleted it. Montanism is a 2nd century heresy. It is not the same thing as Donatism which started in the 4th century.
@prevatican2catholicshow
@prevatican2catholicshow Месяц назад
Montanism www.newadvent.org/cathen/10521a.htm
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 Месяц назад
@@prevatican2catholicshow Thank you.
@shredder9536
@shredder9536 Месяц назад
How are these priests appointed. Do they have apostolic succession via the bishops
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