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The Model 1920 was Star's first locked-breech pistol, basically a combination of features from the Colt 1911 and their traditional Eiber blowback .32 pistols. It was tested by the Spanish Army in 1920, with inconclusive results. The Guardia Civil, however, found it to be suitable and adopted it after those tests. Only 3850 were made and delivered to the GC before a number of design changes were requested, resulting in the Model 1921 (aka the Model A). The Star legacy would last for many decades, with the 1920's descendants being very popular and successful guns worldwide.

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@josephwood4362
@josephwood4362 6 лет назад
So what you're saying is that this is an alternate-reality 1911 where Spain kept America. It was invented by one Juan Moisés Marrón.
@MarvinT0606
@MarvinT0606 3 года назад
who later invents the Marrón Automatico Fusil (MAF)
@rodrigogascagomez5190
@rodrigogascagomez5190 3 года назад
@@MarvinT0606 it'd be the Fusil Automático Marrón, or FAM
@jesusm.pereztriana9319
@jesusm.pereztriana9319 2 года назад
🤯
@hoppinggnomethe4154
@hoppinggnomethe4154 Год назад
Terrible logic like many other alternate reality comments. If Spain still keeps America, we won't see any of these 1911s or Star pistols. You have the same logic of Hollywood movies.
@thelaughinghyenas7962
@thelaughinghyenas7962 8 лет назад
Thank you very much. I always felt that the Star pistols were very much underappreciated.
@harkkyn
@harkkyn 8 лет назад
I own a Star Model Super B (9mm) and i absolutely love the handgun. I wouldn't of guessed a milsurp pistol could feel so damn good to shoot and handle.
@sewashburn0529
@sewashburn0529 6 лет назад
Ditto.
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 8 лет назад
Unlike many of my fellow officers on the PD, I came to respect and love the Spanish pistols. I had a Star PD for off duty carry and an Astra A100 in .45ACP for duty. I carried these firearms for many years while on the PD (small PD we were forced to furnish our own handguns) and never had a failure to fire, or jam on the range. Thankfully I never had to fire either in angre over my 24 years on the PD. I still own the Astra, and have it in the closet, I sold the Star PD and have replaced it with a Citadel compact .45. It looks about the same in size but weighs in at about half again the weight, probably due to the cast frame instead of the Star's aluminum frame. I also had a small Llama .380 M1911 clone that I used when I was in more formal clothing, and lumps were not in fashion. I wish I had kept the Llama and Star, but like hundreds of other firearms that I bought and sold over my years, I traded them for something else I wanted on someone's table at a gun show.
@IanWilson2010
@IanWilson2010 8 лет назад
Thank you for sharing! Very cool that you still have your duty gun. What PD did you serve with?
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 8 лет назад
Well I surved with several, that's sort of the way one improves in small town policing. Started in Lemmon SD, then Philip SD, Bowman ND, and my last PD was the New Rockford ND PD.
@fastmongrel
@fastmongrel 8 лет назад
Forgive me but I dont understand how US police forces operate. Did you get posted to different police departments by the State or local govt or was it a new job in a new town with a seperate Police Dept you interviewed for.
@smokingbuddymatt6131
@smokingbuddymatt6131 8 лет назад
I think he would have started a completely new job with a new department. It would be difficult to advance within a small department. If you want more money, or a better position, you likely have to find a department that is looking for someone to fill in a more prominent role.
@Deadtileyedie
@Deadtileyedie 6 лет назад
I have one of them llamas as well saved my grandfather's life...I actually have 1 in 32 as well I paid 125$ with no mag at a pawn shop
@douglasfulmer5483
@douglasfulmer5483 8 лет назад
That safety is rather ingenous.
@d33b33
@d33b33 8 лет назад
Most 1911's you see in the movies are actually Star Model B's, a later evolution of this gun. That's because .45ACP blanks were terribly unreliable, and the Star uses 9mm blanks, which were excellent.
@nutsandgum
@nutsandgum 8 лет назад
This is the reason Jules says "mr 9mm here" in pulp fiction. Looks like a .45 but actually was irl a 9mm.
@marshallgibson89
@marshallgibson89 8 лет назад
I think every 1911 in "The Wild Bunch" were Star Model B types.
@JohnLeePedimore
@JohnLeePedimore 8 лет назад
Magnum PI used a real Colt 1911 but the problem with the blanks is they don't build enough pressure to cycle the action so the barrel is partially obstructed in the gun.The National Firearms Museum actually has the gun and they have it in a video here on their channel.
@Poleson
@Poleson 3 года назад
I bet they don't even use blanks nowadays and just CGI the gun fire, etc.
@aaronkong8393
@aaronkong8393 3 года назад
@@Poleson mainly for shots where guns are fired very close to actors
@Terrorkekx
@Terrorkekx 8 лет назад
That 1920 has some really alluring features.
@Waldemarvonanhalt
@Waldemarvonanhalt 4 года назад
Due to the arms embargo, South Africa had pretty limited access to foreign arms, but apparently Star pistols were one of the things they managed to import. My dad and uncle mentioned that many officers were issued Star pistols, but they weren't that popular. I know one guy from 32 battalion who preferred to use a Walther p38.
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 4 года назад
Over my days as a gun guy, I owned 3 Stars, a BK and a BKM as well as their cute little PD model in of course .45 ACP, my favorite caliber pistol ever. I never experienced any problems with any of the three guns so long as I kept them clean and lubed, well that is to say I never had any problems, but I always keep my firearms clean and lubed as a matter of pride and common sense.
@sewashburn0529
@sewashburn0529 6 лет назад
I'm so jealous of those beautiful wood grips. So much nicer than the plastic ones on my Super B.
@GratefulGuido
@GratefulGuido 8 лет назад
I really like the little piece of blued steel on the slide of the Star.
@MrHalonoob117
@MrHalonoob117 8 лет назад
Imagine this weapon back in its day
@frostyfreed1201
@frostyfreed1201 4 года назад
hi
@PistolManiac100
@PistolManiac100 8 лет назад
My dad has always spoken highly about the Star pistols. I agree, their good guns.
@demonprinces17
@demonprinces17 3 года назад
So good watching again
@MistahJigglah
@MistahJigglah Год назад
My grandfather's friend (who was a gunsmith) had a Star and a Ruby that both shot beautifully, so without ever really looking into it, I always thought the Spanish made decent guns. Then I went looking for one for myself... Still going.
@DamplyDoo
@DamplyDoo 5 месяцев назад
How hard are they to find
@frankbrowning328
@frankbrowning328 11 месяцев назад
It's a well finished, good looking pistol. The safety while a good system (To Me) is designed backwards as it's a more natural motion to push the safety down for fire rather than pulling it up.
@waynedaley7048
@waynedaley7048 8 лет назад
There's a lot of star surplus 1911s up here in Canada . The later versions..
@TuDoorCinema
@TuDoorCinema 3 года назад
I just inherited a Star from my grandfather. I think it’s the model 1921 because it has a grip safety along with the thumb safety. Idk for sure but I think he got it while traveling during WWII.
@Almostbakerzero
@Almostbakerzero 7 лет назад
srsly, id never have thought that videos like these could be so straight up addictive. theres something really soothing about having someone explain firearm mechanics to you :D
@TheUnknown380
@TheUnknown380 8 лет назад
I have an original 1955 Star, that still shoots amazing and is very easy to disassemble and clean that uses 9x23 largo, seems like it still kept some of the earlier models stuff in it too
@mkshffr4936
@mkshffr4936 3 года назад
Remember the Star Firestar pistols. Always liked those.
@8aleph
@8aleph 8 лет назад
Star firearms were more often than not much underrated, I always found them serviceable and pretty much as durable as FN products
@roberttrester4030
@roberttrester4030 4 года назад
I like this style of safety
@charlescurtius2261
@charlescurtius2261 8 лет назад
great to see the star. i carried a star BKS in 9m as a ccw for years
@CampeadorHUN
@CampeadorHUN 8 лет назад
Very cool design! Wonder why it didn't become more famous back in the day...
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 8 лет назад
This and the Obregon are the most interesting copies of the 1911, mostly because they _aren't_ really copies of the 1911, but are adaptations instead. I'd totally bid on this lot if it was only the Star
@troy9477
@troy9477 7 лет назад
Great video. Interesting design. Externally to me it resembles a Colt 1905. Interesting to see how the Spanish went their own way. I wondered if they had been made in 38 ACP; the video answered that. The disconnector system is interesting, but i wonder a bit about durability. The safety is nice and positive too. When i sold guns in a shop,i would use an S&W as a demo for decocker safeties. It too has a piece that rotates, in this case over the pin. When ppl see that it helps them get a better intuitive understanding of it. Much more obvious than many other designs. As always, thanks for all the great info
@TiglathPileser3
@TiglathPileser3 8 лет назад
I love Spanish pistols.
@vguyver2
@vguyver2 8 лет назад
Oh hey, a Star pistol. Was waiting for the longest.
@Xerxes1688
@Xerxes1688 8 лет назад
The argentine Ballester Molina has exactlyl the same trigger mechanism. They took inspiration from STAR pistols.
@lv2943
@lv2943 8 лет назад
The finish on the small parts is very attractive.
@ap1s2k78
@ap1s2k78 7 лет назад
my px4's have that safety type basically. awesome and ultra safe.
@donjones9300
@donjones9300 11 месяцев назад
i can attest to star pistols, i have a .380ss and it is a very well made pistol on my opinion...
@belbro62
@belbro62 8 лет назад
new camera? vote up for the better resolution and camera work
@RodrigoCompai
@RodrigoCompai 8 лет назад
Hi, i really enjoy your videos, i've learned a lot about firearms since i started watching you a couple of years ago, and i really like how you explain the guns and how they where manufactured and where/when etc, but i really wanted you could make a firing position with the gun, since you can't fire with the RIA Guns i wish i could see how it looked when beign fired by someone, not actual firing it, because i live in brazil and its very very hard to se these guns and only when you fire them i can have an example of how it would be used or how it looked like when beign use. Thanks for the awesome video and excuse me if you don't understand anything i said, my english isn't that good.
@Ygthhj
@Ygthhj Год назад
مسدسات.اسبانيا.ممتازه.وعريقه.وجيده.ومتينه
@nilo70
@nilo70 4 года назад
Nice looking
@e1948
@e1948 8 лет назад
please please please make an educated review om the modern star 30M . It is a joy to shot.
@Momo_Kawashima
@Momo_Kawashima 2 года назад
"Ma', can we get a 1911?" "No, we got a 1911 at home" 1911 at home:
@geshbeddin
@geshbeddin 5 лет назад
you talked about 3 different models but you did not mention the model SA 9m/m are there also other differences such as magazines or barrel lengths. Just want to give you a thumbs UP as I really enjoy watching what you post.
@evilcowboy
@evilcowboy 6 лет назад
The fire control group is simple and has very few moving parts. This helps in reliability and is smart to do it that way. Very well done on their part.
@jorgemendoza2116
@jorgemendoza2116 4 года назад
es una lastima que ya no las fabriken en españa las pistolas star echeverria acero español
@pommel47
@pommel47 8 лет назад
I have always admired Star pistols, Especially the ones without grip safeties. I find grip safeties distracting
@planetbathwater317
@planetbathwater317 8 лет назад
New gunner here, about a few months in but was wondering if anyone noticed that this gun fort of looks like a mutated 1911 & PO8, like they were fused into one? With the two notches in the back behind the exit chamber. maybe even vaguely?
@matthewkriebel7342
@matthewkriebel7342 8 лет назад
That safety and disconnector look like primitive versions of what's in a Beretta 92. I wonder where those ideas originated. They also solved the "problem" with the Beretta safety lever by having it shrouded toward the front by the cocking scallops, so no accidentally engaging it while racking.
@1337penguinman
@1337penguinman 8 лет назад
Beretta M92 uses an almost identical safety to that.
@teefrankenstein4340
@teefrankenstein4340 6 лет назад
I inherited a Star Model A in 9 X 23 Largo. I have not fired it, haven’t found the ammo, but it seems like a quality firearm.
@paulshayter1113
@paulshayter1113 6 лет назад
Ted Franke, Are you in the U.S. I've seen 9x23 Largo at gunshows so I'm pretty sure you can get it online.
@teefrankenstein4340
@teefrankenstein4340 6 лет назад
Paul Shayter Yes I am in the US, need to check out the next gun show. I have found some online, but pretty expensive.
@samiam619
@samiam619 5 лет назад
Ted Franke Time for you to reload your own. Obsolete calibers is what got me doing it.
@muhammadnajmimurindo9289
@muhammadnajmimurindo9289 7 лет назад
Hey Ian could you do a review of a Winchester 1907 SL :) ?
@timm3980
@timm3980 8 лет назад
Would you be willing to do one for the Star BM? It's my first pistol(had it for about 7 years) and other than it is a spanish service pistol, i dont know much about it.
@badATchaos
@badATchaos 8 лет назад
Ian, can you start boosting your volume levels a little bit in your videos. -Thanks.
@natemmerson6849
@natemmerson6849 8 лет назад
Any chance we could get a look at some of those pistols in cabinet behind you?
@colmhain
@colmhain 8 лет назад
Another great video, thanks! I am a little unclear on one point. The grip safety "didn't last very long", does this mean that it malfunctioned on individual guns quickly, or that it was quickly removed from production? (I suspect the latter...)
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
It was quickly removed from production.
@keithmoore7390
@keithmoore7390 8 лет назад
there's nothing wrong with a simple system if it works!!personally i'd prefer a simple action, less to go wrong!!!!
@chinesesparrows
@chinesesparrows 8 лет назад
Personally that copy looks better than the original
@josephbolz4550
@josephbolz4550 4 года назад
I’ll have to have one. You need to do a video of a Llama model V / IV and clear up which one is what and how to tell them apart. Also the linkless and linked stars are pretty confusing A and B and B Super etc. Also they’re ain’t jack on the different model M and P’s
@ScreamingSturmovik
@ScreamingSturmovik 8 лет назад
is windage adjustment really that important on a non target pistol or rifle? like with police or military you wouldn't fiddle with the sights unless you are a "marksman" right?
@TheExaminedLifeofGaming
@TheExaminedLifeofGaming 8 лет назад
I love all of Star's pistols. At least to look at, I'm not sure I love shooting them.
@tarmaque
@tarmaque 5 лет назад
Find yourself a decent Model SA to shoot, and then get back to me. I love mine. It's superior to my 1911 in almost every way, and superior to most non-high-dollar 1911s you're likely to find. The only reason it's not in my bug-out bag is weight and magazine capacity. (And magazine availability. You just can't beat a Glock 17 for a bug-out bag. Ammo and magazine availability combined with accuracy and reliability.)
@johndavid3343
@johndavid3343 8 лет назад
Hi Ian, if you ever get the chance can you look at a Ballister Molina from Argentina? I think they are a really nice variation of the 1911. Also heard rumors that some of them were made using steel salvaged from the wreck of the Admiral Graff Spree? Thanks for the videos too!
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
Yes, I will be doing a video on the Ballester at some point. They were not, in fact, made from salvaged German battleship steel. :)
@johndavid3343
@johndavid3343 8 лет назад
Thanks for the reply. The battleship steel was a speculation I remember reading in a magazine article about the Ballester some years ago. Looking forward to vids. :)
@mikellwehrer
@mikellwehrer 8 лет назад
If you look at some of the older 2-gun action challenge maps, Ian uses a Ballister as his side arm.
@aeronwilliams94
@aeronwilliams94 8 лет назад
nice looking gun considering its age .
@Zuggy
@Zuggy 8 лет назад
He did say it had been refinished, but still, it looks like a well cared for weapon.
@maiorciprian
@maiorciprian 5 лет назад
this looks more like something in between Colt`s 1907 and 1909 trials pistols
@Mr.FastZombie
@Mr.FastZombie 8 лет назад
Do you work at the auction house or do they just let you record videos there?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
I just record there; not an employee.
@TheProdigy87
@TheProdigy87 8 лет назад
That look on your face tells me that you're not satisfied by his answer, either. I suspect he pretends to have to use their bathroom regularly, to then hide untill they close, so he can then pull out his snuck-in camera and shoot these videos. Nevertheless, awesome quality and info, as always!
@TeamRetroWorld
@TeamRetroWorld 8 лет назад
I would do the same thing given the chance.
@BAD_CONSUMER
@BAD_CONSUMER 8 лет назад
Ian, howcome a lot of collectors wear cloth gloves, but you seem to casually handle these guns. Do they just get wiped down after every handling?
@andrewbrown7976
@andrewbrown7976 8 лет назад
cool. I wonder what these firearms could say if they could talk
@floydstephman
@floydstephman 8 лет назад
They do, they just know only one really loud word.
@deron218
@deron218 8 лет назад
BANG!!!
@Bobojojo122
@Bobojojo122 8 лет назад
+Stephan Floyd This is so perfect
@deron218
@deron218 8 лет назад
lol
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules 8 лет назад
Probably for the best anyway, that one word is the same in every language so there's no worry about translating from Spanish.
@chazpiekkola
@chazpiekkola 8 лет назад
I have a model bm 9mm and a pd 45
@skullstabber9
@skullstabber9 8 лет назад
kinda like a beretta 92 safety it rotates inward
@dawudasha977
@dawudasha977 Год назад
Do a video of the Star Firestar... Please. I'll loan you the .45 ACP and 9 mm models if i can. I live in CA! 😢
@drmaudio
@drmaudio 8 лет назад
Off topic, but I find it pretty funny that most of the suggested videos are for "1920's Flapper makeup." You've got to love googles "contextual" suggestions.
@brycebennett1320
@brycebennett1320 2 года назад
he didnt say .com! Ian’s been replaced!!
@TheSurreyjack4life
@TheSurreyjack4life 6 лет назад
How do you remove the barrel?
@sonofcrystalpepsi1426
@sonofcrystalpepsi1426 3 года назад
Isn't this the only 9mm made in the 20th century with a half-cock safety mechanism?
@maddog202030
@maddog202030 8 месяцев назад
I have a Star 1920 9mm largo . It has the grip safety and a frame mounted thumb safety . Wasn't this the forerunner of the revised pistol with no grip safety as requested by the army ? My pistol is in almost unfired pristine condition whats a approx value ?
@MikeNepo
@MikeNepo 3 месяца назад
That would be a Model 1921, and no, the removal of the grip safety (along with larger heel and improved extractor) was at the behest of the Guardia Civil. Value of the 1921 is variable, mostly dependent on condition. If it is as beautiful and pristine as you say, I think 700-800 USD is a pretty reasonable price, dependent on how many extra goodies come with it (extra mags, box, etc.).
@unkn0wnace
@unkn0wnace 8 лет назад
I have a question I have been researching for a while. What was the first ever true machine pistol?
@samiam619
@samiam619 5 лет назад
Unkn0wn Ace What’s your definition of a machine pistol? Full auto? The Mauser broom handle C96 had a model called the Schnellfeuer. My book doesn’t say when it was made. Maybe in the ‘30s.
@Elvargasmtb02
@Elvargasmtb02 2 года назад
Hi how are things , what would be the price of one of these but 9mm / 38
@Tomikos995
@Tomikos995 8 лет назад
Looks like a cartoon 1911.
@russbilzing5348
@russbilzing5348 Год назад
What is the purpose of that roll pin through the side of the hammer?
@MikeNepo
@MikeNepo 3 месяца назад
It retains the flatspring that gives tension to the hammer safety. It is a carry over from their earlier, Mannlicher inspired pistols.
@T0rrente18
@T0rrente18 8 лет назад
Hey my father used one of these during military service, he always told me that most of the guns that he used were total garbage, they weren't maintained at all and most of them were way too used, he specially hated the star pistol and the CETME rifle, which was a variant of the g3.
@Headbreak1
@Headbreak1 8 лет назад
Actually the G3 is a variant of the CETME.
@T0rrente18
@T0rrente18 8 лет назад
Wow, didn't knew that the actual design originated from Spain, thanks for the info
@Headbreak1
@Headbreak1 8 лет назад
As far as I know (not really 100% sure, but...90%) the CETME was created by exiled german weapon designers (mostly the STG-44 designers), but when international interest began to raise Spain didn't have the industrial capacity to manufacture so many rifles and sold the rights to HK.
@Lee1enfield
@Lee1enfield 8 лет назад
+Headbreak1 Spain didn't sell the patent.
@Headbreak1
@Headbreak1 8 лет назад
No, just allowed HK to use it in what would become the G3.
@stevegable2707
@stevegable2707 4 года назад
4 pistols for less than 1500 bucks ! seems like a deal to me
8 лет назад
Is there a story behind the "Star" brand name? It doesn't sound particularly Spanish.
@mattdickson2
@mattdickson2 8 лет назад
buzzword easy to market to foreigners
@jayfrank1913
@jayfrank1913 8 лет назад
Astra means "star" in Spanish. What's the story there?
@ratoningordin2534
@ratoningordin2534 8 лет назад
Astra is star in latin, estrella en español ;)
@impassivelion1393
@impassivelion1393 7 лет назад
Spain doesnt like spanish names or it´s perceived as harder to market: they use english names or if you still want to conserve some heritage, you name stuff in latin.
@jamesjohnson4159
@jamesjohnson4159 2 года назад
Make that the C&Rsenal WWI Primer episode 117 on the French Contract Star 1914.
@AK47andGlocklover
@AK47andGlocklover 8 лет назад
hmm I think beretta may have gotten ahold of one of these
@akacz1394
@akacz1394 8 лет назад
I remember this gun from Far Cry 2. Why I always thought it's just 1911 with changed name... ;-;
@TheWibbo
@TheWibbo 8 лет назад
what is the purpose of the hole in the hammer? (makes it look like a horses head BTW)
@davidstegman8147
@davidstegman8147 8 лет назад
What would happen if you used 9mm Lugar?
@samiam619
@samiam619 5 лет назад
David Stegman Would not chamber. Too small.
@pieeater108
@pieeater108 8 лет назад
The grip looks kinda goofy lol
@zionisimkills1098
@zionisimkills1098 8 лет назад
just bot one today.
@johnq1753
@johnq1753 8 лет назад
So the safety is also kind of a primitive decocker?
@johnq1753
@johnq1753 8 лет назад
But you could switch it to safe, pull the trigger and the gun would not fire?
@johnq1753
@johnq1753 8 лет назад
But you could use the safety to bring the hammer down safely
@keithmoore7390
@keithmoore7390 8 лет назад
no, more of a hammer block or a hy-bred safety!!
@PaulP999
@PaulP999 Год назад
Why does it have that hole through the hammer?
@MikeNepo
@MikeNepo 3 месяца назад
It is a carry over from their earlier, Mannlicher inspired pistols. Look at a STAR 1914 hammer.
@PaulP999
@PaulP999 3 месяца назад
@@MikeNepo thanks Mike but does the hole serve a purpose?
@MikeNepo
@MikeNepo 3 месяца назад
@PaulP999 probably just a small amount of reduced weight.
@salokin3087
@salokin3087 8 лет назад
I honestly thought this was one of those cheap, knockoff 1911s the Vietcong made.
@keithmoore7390
@keithmoore7390 8 лет назад
or one of those Afgan copies!!!it does have that look!!!
@terryfowler6090
@terryfowler6090 Год назад
Lousy audio. Can't hear a thing.
@robnunya572
@robnunya572 7 лет назад
That is so much prettier than a 1911.
@griffn14
@griffn14 8 лет назад
The finish/machining below the safety is bloody awful!
@imonit1177
@imonit1177 2 года назад
If that safety were to break it would be my guess it would be a bitch to fix. Not a good design for a war gun. 😕
@dippinggainsreviews1955
@dippinggainsreviews1955 Год назад
I never understood why 1920s pistols had such terrible sights
@MikeNepo
@MikeNepo 3 месяца назад
The 1921 and 1922 at least had an adjustable one. They bizarrely ditched it when they developed the updated pistols more akin to the 1911A1.
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