They should have kept this scene! Not only for the obvious cuteness of baby Spock, but having both birth scenes in the movie serves to further the showing of the kind of lives Kirk and Spock lived before they met: Kirk was born into a bloodbath, in the midst of a battle, moments before his father was killed; whereas Spock was born in a time of peace, into an influential, likely well-off and prosperous (pun intended) family. I think it reflects the personalities they would develop as adults.
That's true - they should have kept this scene in - originally, they had shot "companion scenes" for both Spock and Kirk; for each of them there was a birth scene, then there's a scene when they are about 10-12 years old and then for each there was ome as young men. And if you watch all those scenes in a row, you actually see that Spock and Kirk are quite similar- they both have a famous father and a headstrong mother, and they have been rebels and misfits throughout their lives. (This is a departure from the Kirk/Spock constellation in the classical series, where their friendship was based on their difference.) As for having headstrong mothers, this shows for both characters in their birth scenes: Shortly before Kirk's father dies sacrificing himself for his ship and crew, he and his wife discuss what they will name their newly born son, and Kirk's mother suggests that they name him Tiberius, after her husband's father. Kirk's father does not like this idea and suggests they name him Jim instead, after his wife's father. Later we learn that Kirk's mother actually did name him Tiberius, though as a second name. In the Vulcan birth scene, Sarek suggests they name their son Spock after a famous personage from Vulcan history, and the mother smiles knowingly, perhaps remembering that the name has a meaning on Earth too (Dr. Spock, with which Amanda as a teacher might be familiar), although her husband may not be aware. of this. Amanda merely consenting with a naming that she does not approve of would be totally out of character for her - from her other appearances I git her to be a woman who is not afraid to speak her mind - see the episode "Journey to Babel". Besides, I do not think Vulcan society is meant to be one where women are meant to defer to their husbands and keep "hush" of they disagree with them; it always struck me as a society where men and women have equal rights (with some areas even reserver to women; in "Amok Time" we learn that only a woman can call off an engagement by invoking the challenge). Nor do I think Sarek would have wanted Amanda to keep silent about disagreeing with him - rather, he would have valued her speaking up about it!
I thought it was touching. Seeing both Spock mum and dad together. I know Spock's dad doesn't always show emotions but he does care about his wife here.
It would have also given us a stronger connection between Spock and his mother for when he snaps back at the Vulcan Council for insulting her later in the movie.
I like the noise Sarek makes after Amanda says "And your ears" that sounds like a small laugh. You can barely hear it. Vulcans are usually emotionless, but I like that Amanda is able to cause these kinds of feelings in him.
@@OptimusWombat It's a common misconception that Vulcans inherently have no emotions. As a matter of fact Vulcans are very emotional, even moreso than humans. They just suppress them because Vulcans believe emotions lead to poor judgement and conflict.
I'm glad they took this out. Spock's actual name meaning is so much more beautiful than some hand-me-down from a stranger. Vulcan names are mash-ups of other words or phrases, seemingly choosing parts for best sound (T'Pring: t’sai prai ngiq’e, T'Pau: t’sai pau, Lorien: leshu ro’fori+an) Using English just for the example, if you wanted to name your child after strength and honor his name might end up being something like "Strehnor". Spock's name comes from the Vulcan phrase _spo'k'hat'n'dlawa_, which means "resembling half of each other's heart and soul". =')
I love the scene where she places her hand on his face as they briefly look into each other's eyes. Her smiling at him & him giving a small smile in return. A brief but intimate moment. It truly showed how much they loved each other despite being so different. They really did make each other happy in a way that neither race really understood.
@Bad Cattitude They have emotions but seek to control them lest they become overwhelmed with them. Even Cdr.T'Pol asks Cdr.Trip "Don't you think the death of a colleague or friend affects us? ". Later, she cries when her mother died and when she thinks she lost Cpt. Archer. I'm sure she cried when her baby died, but we only see her in her meditation robe then and not her response when Trip dies. Instead of the holoprogramme with Riker and Trip, more development how she overcame her grief and became Cpt.herself might (or might not) have kept "Enterprise" on the air. I guess only the books will tell now.
Maybe That's why I liked Lt. Saavik ("WOK) and Cdr. T'Pol better (" Enterprise". One is 1/2 Romulan, 1/2 Vulcan); the other is all supposedly all Vulcan. Even before her terellium-D addiction, her mother said T'Pol's emotions lay below the surface.
Sarek wasn't there for the birth because Vulcan culture doesn't allow for the father to be present during birth. Of course, humans used to be like that too, once upon a time... I liked this take of Spock's birth as a part of the alternate universe, but I happen to like the original timeline better. In this one Sarek is a tiny bit emotional, but I know that Vulcans care about their children so I think his reaction is acceptable.
He was a little bit emotional in the original timeline too. In "Journey to Babel" he was proud of Spock's career even though he had objected to Starfleet. Then in Star Trek 3 he said "My logic is uncertain where my son is concerned."
he wasn't present during the birth, he was inside the building, he came moments after the birthing process was complete, Vulcan males aren't present during the birthing, but can come over afterwards for the naming of the child, but keep in mind that Sarek's wife is human, so that pretty much exempts him from normal Vulcan Customs.
@@Genevieve1023 Yeah you have to remember that, like Worf, Spock was always trying a little too hard to be the perfect Vulcan. Sarek is much more advanced in Vulcan discipline, which paradoxically lets him emote a little more.
Also remember that Sarek and Amanda share a telepathic bond, which means that he likely experienced a lot of the pain and stress of labor through her. Sarek stayed inside because he was FREAKING OUT.
There were MANY scenes removed from the theatrical cut, that would have MADE this iteration of ST far superior to what it eventually was! SO much back story was removed!
It IS, however, would make the film lose continuity was ST was always ABOUT KIRK! These scene would have had to have opened the film, instead of the Kelvin scene where Nero's shop emerges from the back hole near Klingon space, several years later as Spock is a few years older than Kirk!
Agreed. Seeing Spock's mom shower him with affection just makes it that more impact full when she dies and the way it contrasts against Vulcan upbringing shows how Spock became who he is.
I love this scene! Also, just a question: I'm not the only one who notice that Sarek sort of chuckles once Amanda says the 'And your ears' comment, right? Turn the volume up and listen good if you don't believe me.
Nygmobblepot It's possible. We know he was effected by his wife always expressing emotions, as well as his getting older. In the original series, as he becomes older, he'd starts to lose his emotional barrier. Of course, it could have just been an acknowledgement grunt.
Can I just say first off that it was stupid for them to delete this scene... Second of all, can I just say with genuine squeeing enthusiasm: BABY SPOCK IS SOOOO CUTE!! literally dying from the cuteness now!!
That rock formation in the background, used in many films (mainly westerns) since the dawn of movie making. They used it in an old TOS episode when Kirk battles the Reptilian creature.
In this timeline Sarek had a different attitude towards Spock than what was shown in the original timeline. When Sarek first saw his son Spock in the original timeline he just referred to his as, "So human" basically as a type of rejection, while in this timeline he was more accepting of Spock despite being half-human.
Except Spock's birth takes place before Jim's - so before the timeline splits. Ergo, this is still the TOS universe. Honestly I never bought that Sarek had actually reacted negatively to Spock's appearance at birth. Remember, Spock sees that in a vision Sybok gives him in an attempt to brainwash him. It's supposed to be Spock's greatest pain but... logically, his greatest pain is that this rejection is how he PERCEIVED his relation with his father, not what really happened.
The response to the younger midwife's question could have been more logical and easier to understand: "She is physically and neurologically overstimulated from the birth; do not judge her for it." Or something like that.
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i know it was months ago, but i still want to say that the scene where kid kirk drives the car off a cliff, is important to the story, as much as the kid spock scene is, because it shows how their respective lives progressed in this universe, in jim's case, without his dad, and his mom off into space leaving him with an (abusive, i assume) stepfather. it might not have been as heartwarming as this scene, but it explains a lot of things, too. imagine skipping to the bar scene, w/o knowing this.
To show how he could hang from great heights even as a child... he came out of the vagina gripping the end of the umbilical cord... swingin' on it like.
@@scorchx3000 OMD! Now I'll *never* get that image out of my head! Thanks. :) I'll be old and senile, and in a home, and still chuckling at that image! LMBO!
+Ray Singh For protection dude. There is always a chance of falling or any accident. Also, there are wild animals called lematya out there that are poisonous. Best to dress accordingly.
For those wondering about the location shoot. 1:10 Vasquez Rocks (L.A. County Park). Named after California bandit Tiburcio Vasquez. (My ancestors rented a room to Vasquez once at their stagecoach stop when he was traveling on the Santa Fe Trail). Vasquez Rocks are also known as "Kirk's Rocks" due to several of the original 'StarTrek' TV episodes being filmed there. I have climb it many times as a teenager. I believe climbing the rocks is still permitted
That rock formation in the background, used in many films (mainly westerns) since the dawn of movie making. They used it in an old TOS episode when Kirk battles the Reptilian creature.
vulcans are way emotional than us humans but they grew to suppress their emotions. there is huge peer pressure among them. i wouldn't want to peek into their subconscious, it must be one hell of a mess.
Although this is a beautiful scene, I'm kind of happy it didn't make into the final movie. The Alternate Timeline changes a lot of things, but Spock's story didn't really change until the point where his planet was destroyed, and we already got a flashback of his birth in "The Final Frontier" - and it was much darker than this, and also fitted much better to the fact that he felt as an outcast as a child, and he felt a lot of pressure from his father. This is simply too cute for the complex relationship between them. I loved the fact, that in this timeline, Sarek was able to open up to his son, after the tragedy they experienced (and also the moment where he mentions that he married Amanda because he loved her), but this scene still wouldn't fit.
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