Bullies and people chomping at the bit to be spiteful and passive aggressive. But those writing STD are merely envious that they still can’t appropriate Trek or encourage the actual Trek fans to join in their Rian Johnsonesque belittlement of franchise, that is above their talent to produce.
@@KorriTimigan Na you would be wrong, this isn't someone named Gene they happened to randomly bump into on the turbilift. The scene has been carefully coriaqgrahphed to attack Gene Roddenberry and the fans who defend his vision of Star Trek.
Isn't work in the Federation voluntarily? It being a post-money, post-scarcity society? If somebody in a position above you talked to you with such disrespect, wouldn't your first response be to chuck down the shovel, tell them to clear up the mess, and catch the first shuttle to Risa? Admittedly I don't know the context of this garbage, haven given up after Discovery season 1.
@UFHoee Sisko's treatment of Nog always a purpose behind it though, and there was a lot of respect there. If somebody talked to me like a piece of shit in a society of supposed equals, I certainly wouldn't continue working for them.
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 get a bus ticket to your local blockbuster and rent a copy of "Jack and Jill", then let us all know what you think about Adam sandler.
The difference between Adam Sandler and Star Trek is that Sandler will pay tribute to Chris Farley in a way that is both proper and comical while Star Trek can’t even pay tribute to Gene Roddenberry in a respectful way.
Adam Sandler at least had something of a soft spot for the guy who has to shovel shit for a living. Happy Gilmore depicted the blue-blooded sport of golf through a lighthearted working class lens. The butt of most of the jokes wasn't the tradesman turned golfer, it was the polo-shirt clad country-club members who mocked him.
That joke coming out of the mouth of a Starfleet officer aimed at a character named Gene who is shovelling guts off the floor is the most disrespect they've shown to Star Trek yet. Wow.
Not just that. In-universe this is a guy who volunteered to serve on a ship to fight Control and go into a future, leaving a whole reality behind. And it's not like he's getting payed even - money is not a thing in this society, remember?
@@andor888 Yes, exactly. I always got the impression that senior staff and main characters always cared about even the "least important" person on the ship. Isn't a fundamental respect for life the core of Star Trek's ideology? That should include people who do jobs others might find menial.
So this Janitor Gene character was one of the what? 80 - 100 personnel that stayed with Discovery? So instead of the show writing some sort of camaraderie and general respect for the crew now stranded in the future, blatant disrespect for a member of Starfleet doing a job you don't want to do is so un-trek. There's so much disrespect, superiority, back talk, snarkiness, bitching and inappropriate joking that if any one of these officers served on any other ship in a previous show, their service would be dismissed in a heartbeat. Not even the Maquis would tolerate their crap.
@@jaspinflame670 may I also tell you that the man politely told her his name and she just said "i've already forgotten that" definitely not how a superior officer should act
Dat Hurley Fella, Gee, here I was thinking that said husk was the live wire character, whom one reads, enlivens the otherwise dreary proceedings. Allegedly.
Oversight85, Well, we can hope that Watts and Redstone can work out, getting rid of their sorry asses, or alternately, sell the IP to another entity that will respect and honor what's come before, not use it as a vanity production proclaiming the greatness of hacks and half-wits.
I‘d say the phrase is sanctimonious capitalism, when they get so lost in the idea that a fat wage packet equals success they happily flush all artistic integrity down the pan so long as they get to make more. We could also express it as ‘Lucas Syndrome’.
Firstly, isn't it amazing that their ship with tech centuries more advanced than what Sisko/Picard/Janeway had, somehow has zero sanitation or sterilization procedures - much less advanced than that of Archer's Enterprise. Secondly, I doubt they were satirizing their own efforts to Destroy Trek, while destroying it. This is just the level of disrespect I've come to expect from them. Thirdly, the attitude of all the characters regarding the removal of a dead body, as well as how that Engineer character disregards 'Gene'. This is not optimistic Star Trek. This is trash.
The current lumbering corpse of Trek is a Rick and Morty style funny animated show. In what world should that ever be the best Trek we're getting? Don't get me wrong, I fucking loved Lower Decks, but there's a lot more to Trek than that and we're just not seeing anything else of quality
That scene really stinks: in addition to the blatant insult to Gene Roddenberry and to Star Trek, it is also an insult to people who perform dirty jobs for the rest of us. I am actually starting to wonder if STD is trying to go lower than ever before. Thanks, Grin, for highlighting this. Not many channels have mentioned it. I think it's important. Live long and prosper.
A person died in a horrific manner right there. And they’re making light hearted jokes about it and simply don’t care as they shovel up the remains like garbage. This would NEVER happen in real Star Trek. The dead are treated with respect. This show is such absolute trash that takes a massive shit all over Star Trek and Roddenberry. What a fucking disgrace.
Clearly...: 1. Someone didn't know that a transporter can beam said mess up, negating person and shovel. 2. Can't be bothered to clean own boots. 3. Wasn't the mess a former crewman, complete with death formalities? 4. Someone didn't research bio hazard protocol even if 21 century. (Who cares about copyrights anyway) 5. This leads to Gene time traveling to 20th century to write star trek before star trek. 6. No hood. 7. Biofilters don't work. 8. The 23 century vacuum cleaner doesn't exist here. 9. Stammits is never off drugs. 10. Interns can write better than this, surely. Dilithium exploded, so why are they still in space, alive and well? Bonus: Star trek is more evolved than this, yet somehow Darwin doesn't apply here.
Dat Hurley Fella, Hey, why not let Gene take in that lovely aroma, too? I can't claim to be able to say if that even occurred to them, but it's sure the connotation.
Captain, Queeg wants Gene to lick her boots clean next. Breakout the agonizer's and let the suffering continue until morale improves on the HMS Bounty!
How you make your money and how it’s utilized is up to you. Screw anyone else. Are you comfortable. Are you living how you want. That’s what matters man.
That is especially sad, because I am certain that such scenes do not reflect the opinions of real people. In my workplace, custodians are treated with great respect. Shows with good character development also treat cleaners with respect. There is a superb episode of Columbo titled "Sex and the Married Detective": in the episode, Columbo establishes a delightful relationship with a cleaning lady in a few brief moments. That felt like real life. Cleanliness is next to godliness!!! Live long and prosper.
Why would they need to physically shovel the biomatter when they have phasers and force fields to do it. Couldnt they idk vaporise the matter? Not like they have technology that is capable of disassembling matter at their command. Also why would she even insult him? He is literally just doing a job that was issued to him by a superior officer. Does STD condone insulting those who perform lower end jobs?
I mean maybe they dont wanna start shooting their guns at the floor to clean up some goo? And the reason she insults him is because thats what her character is like?
Never forget that the corpse is the puppeted form of Leleand, who was a loyal officer subverted by an evil AI. Either vaporize the thing to be sure none of control survived, or treat your fallen comrade with respect.
Robot face lady, yum yum lady, Saru the alien guy who swings his arms behind his back, Tilly, black guy, edgy engineer lady. That's all the ones that stand out to me. I'm not the best at remembering names but the whole show just focuses on Burnham.
@@elanderan1104 wait, yum yum lady is still on the discovery? she was the head of security of the enterprise. she decided to leave her whole family to stay on a ship she had taken a temporary position on? so much tupid writing in this crap.
Typical lefty arrogance. They think they know everything better, but when go their states that they control to 100%, you see nothing but high taxes and homeless people. Some utopia. They are freaks. That's why most people don't like them. That's why their movies and shows are trash.
@@techpriest4787 The original show was leftist, and the Federation was a communist society. This is some sick and rotten dystopia, which shows why liberal scum aren't leftists and why identity politics nonsense has absolutely nothing to do with communism or socialism, and everything to do with capitalism in its period of senile decay.
@@techpriest4787 You know Trek litterally takes place in a Socialist Utopia right? Like the whole point of the Ferengi was to say Capitalism is bad. This has nothing to do with Communism because you wouldn't find this dreck made in China or in the USSR. This is late stage degenerate liberal capitalism.
I can not in human language convey to you how much I hate this show. Some day I will explain to my people that there was once inhabitants on this planet with great potential, optimism, and a drive to better themselves; and I will show them Star Trek. When they ask what happened to them I will show them Discovery.
It is an STD. The franchise has contracted (pun intended) a bad case of Alex Kurtzman. It's a highly contagious disease, and by the terms of its contract usually takes at least 5 years to run its course. Symptoms include poor writing decisions, complete disregard for established canon, and weak mary-sue characters. Protect yourself from Alex Kurtzman: avoid all contact with CBS All Access and wash your eyes out thoroughly after viewing any Kurtzman trek related youtube content. It seems that the franchise was just getting over a three movie case of J.J. Abrams back in 2017 which probably left it suscepible to contracting (pun intented) Alex Kurtzman.
JCtechwizard, CBS wasn't susceptible to anything. Moonves clearly wanted to steer the IP in the direction of hack Kurtzman. His own hatred for ST, paved the way for a vision forward, of idiotic action moves, and even dumber and more anachronistic characters. It all lined up.
For all its flaws, in Star Trek Enterprise, the episode Carbon Creek, one of the crash-landed Vulcans wants to boost the TV signal so he can watch "I Love Lucy," which is a respectful nod to Lucille Ball, instrumental in keeping TOS on the air. At least they respected the hand that fed them.
This episode really made me dislike Jett Reno, her attitude and character. Saru and Tilly had a "nice" adventure while Reno and Stamets enjoyed manufactured drama that could easily be solved If both of them behaved like adults.
True. Saru act like a Starfleet Officer, tilly act a little less like a Starfleet Officer at some time but it is acceptable because she a junior officer (recently promoted to ensign)
@@jeancabaille Saru is just the only thing about this show that is at least not terrible. Regarding the big red annoying thing: "This is the power of math, people!"
Remember the TNG episode “Lower Decks” (not the dumb cartoon) where the lower deck characters were treated with dignity and respect? Me too. Good times.
Lower Decks was mostly about Starfleet academy Ensigns, but you would be right about the Stewart who played poker with the bridge officers. O'brian was a non-com.
What unpleasant people! He says 'my name is Gene' and she just waves her hand dismissively and says 'I've already forgotten that' Why is any real Star Trek fan giving these unpleasant toads even a penny? Do you remember that Kirk actually would pick up a dead red shirt and look horrified that he lost a crew man? The show showed humanity and respect for the dead. People were not disposable garbage. They were fellow creatures. They had honest love for their crew members. These writers and characters are downright hateful and heartless. And disrespecting the people who clean up their messes? monsters.
@@alexturlais8558 Well they have him doing the equivalent of shoveling shit, and then disrespect him again by saying he's not important enough to remember his name.
They don't want the fans on their side. If they can get fans all pissed off with what they're shoveling out there, they think they're successful writers. Which is why I refuse to engage with this tripe...well, except through Major Grin videos, anyway.
Kurtzman has repeatedly stated his disdain for the brand prior to 2009. It's old news, but when packaged properly, as it is here, it's still good for shits and giggles.
@@alexturlais8558 It's because original fans have criticised Alex Kurtzman for destroying the franchise from what Gene Roddenberry originally envisioned. Alex and his sick friends on the show have hit back by creating a character called Gene and have him perform the lowest menial job on the ship , then have one of the characters berate the Gene character and throw in a final snarky comment that his name has already been forgotten. This is a personal attack on the creator of Star Trek, and the fans of him.
Shoveling guts is the perfect metaphor for the tone deaf pile of Targ droppings that is this show. Trying to compensate for unlikeable characters with a gore obsession is really a calling card they are proud of.
I always said that I thought Gene Roddenberry would despise this show, but the showrunners were just too dumb and too woke to realise it. Now I see that they actually despise him and everything he believed in.
Let's not forget the disrespect for Leyland, whose corpse is being treated like garbage. They had a funeral when Airiam died, but Leyland... such disrespect for a senior officer who died in the line of duty, having been possessed by Control -- not unlike Picard being assimilated by the Borg.
"I've already forgotten that" is a self insert from the writers proudly explaining they have already forgotten everything that made Star Trek Star Trek.
For all the claims that TOS was insensitive (sexist, racist etc.), ST:D still allows for this scene where crew members (including officers) are demeaning towards one another. TOS crew may have had their moments (particularly during high stress situations, but that is to be expected and they resolved them in the end) but they were never this rude to one another. Captain Kirk cared about his crew, and took it personally when he failed them. The officers of ST:D could care less about their subordinates. The fact that this janitor was called Gene and that the officer said they have already forgotten it, is a perfect illustration of what ST:D's attitude towards Gene Roddenberry's original vision. I don't know whether this was intentional or not but if it is that is like sticking up the middle finger to the old school fans.
Even Janeway went and thank all of her crew personally for not leaving when they found that planet that was identical to planet earth in the Delta quadrant. episode The 37's.
Already forgot his name? Apt example of how they forgot all about Gene Roddenberry’s message in the first place. Smh. And why not just beam it off or something?
Disrespecting Gene aside, let's not forget that they also disrespecting Leyland's corpse, who die in the line of duty as he's possessed by Control. You would expect some sort of funeral or even someone simply treating it as a corpse instead of garbage. On top of that, they also disrespect people in janitorial duty. I don't think I have to explain how, just see for yourself.
Dr. Galactose, To buttress your contention, I would point to Gary Mitchell, a Starfleet officer, malignly influenced by an unknown phenomenon (well, not really, but that's another matter). His death coincidentally, effectively provided his funeral. Despite the existential threat he came to pose, he still received the same positive notation to close out his service record.
@@mitchellmelkin4078 KIRK: Captain's log, Star date 1313.8. Add to official losses, Doctor Elizabeth Dehner. Be it noted she gave her life in performance of her duty. Lieutenant Commander Gary Mitchell, same notation. [To Spock] I want his service record to end that way. He didn't ask for what happened to him. SPOCK: I felt for him, too. KIRK: I believe there's some hope for you after all, Mister Spock.
If the "joke" is that she's rude and dismissive, along with the rest of the crew snarking at and undermining each other, that negates all of Starfleet. Which means this show Discovery is NOT Star Trek.
When I saw this scene I literally shouted MOTHERF*CKERS! at the screen. A starfleet officer openly disrespecting someone and spitting on Roddenberry's memory? This is so utterly, incredibly, disgustingly low, even for STD standards. And that's no small feat.
Comparing TOS and TNG to STD and STP is ludicrous in itself. (Also what is Lower Decks' three letter sign, all that comes to mind is either LOW or LDS and both are really silly.)
It’s blatantly obvious that they do. Which is why I’m making my fanfic of Star Trek Unreliable. A story that originally starts in the 21 century, but then kicks off during the 26th during the battle of Procyon V. A human that’s been frozen in cryo-stasis gets picked up by a rushed job Prometheus class ship in the edge of the gamma quadrant, only for the crew to die at the hands of the Vohrsoth in another galaxy due to chasing after them assuming that they were sphere builder allies. Only for them to die in the wormhole passing through the Galactic barrier with high vitals. The main reason why the human survived was cause he had low vitals due to cryo. And the only person that can help the federation now is him, and the Ship’s EMH.
Isn't this janitor essentially doing his job for free? In a post-scarcity society where everyone is an equal? If a "superior" talked to you like you're a piece of dirt on their shoe, exactly what is motivating how to continue doing voluntary work for these arseholes? I'd hand them the shovel and go chill in the holosuites.
I've long been convinced that STD, et al., exists solely out of spite. It's the metaphysical equivalent of a bratty teenager who curses their parents with no consideration that they are the ones who made it possible for said person to even exist.
yeah. its so blatant. like the extra didnt call himself gene. the writers did that. they setup this whole scenes. the body could have just fell to the floor intact and had to be removed. no. they amde it turn into a festering pile of goo and they made gene have to clean it up and insulted him while he did it. if thats not a sign of how much these writers hate gene i dont know what more they need to do to make it clear. the writers room is full of sjw garbage people who probably think he was a nazi.
i have deleted my first comment. i was so angry . this is genuinely insulting! someone wrote it, someone approved it! Oh, they are so clever. and intelligent and meta !!! Shameful . irredeemable. i don't care anymore.
Rod Roddenberry is a producer on std, can't believe he doesn't appear to have raised this insult to his father as an issue. He doesn't deserve the name.
When the security officer referred to the group that Burnham with as human garbage, the writing was on the wall... I have to say this is pretty sickening... but I'm guessing that's the reaction they wanted...
The whole show is so obnoxious. I watched the first episode of the new season...Got 17 mins in and just found Burnam to be insufferably annoying...Went and watched an episode of Enterprise (a show that I am loving so far!), and within 1 minute I was feeling the genuine Star Trek vibes, which I have never felt with Discovery...It seems to pride itself in mocking anyone who loved what has come before.
This is probably all those blue haired writers taking a stab at Trek fans for not enjoying their garage writing and SJW themes. Just like how they horribly kill Icheb in Picard.
@@starliner2498 Or maybe no death? Maybe they could have thought of something else to motivate Seven? So Icheb wouldn't have to be there at all? It doesn't really matter though. Romulus was destroyed, which means STP is Kelvin Timeline J.J. Trek. I choose to believe it's not part of Star Trek Canon.
@@foxtrotalphaone I really like STO's idea of the 25th century, Romulus gets destroyed but that leads to formation of the Romulan Republic who are far more diplomatic
Biohazardous .... Yet openly breathing it, also if was a containment capsule shouldnt it just have some apparatus to dispose biological matter like burning it? What was the point of said scene? Just a gag , that obviously disrespects , creators, fans and blue-collar?
"I've already forgotten that." You see that, there? That's what you call LEADERSHIP-exactly how you build up healthy respect for the chain of command that engenders the morale and unit cohesion that makes Starfleet what it is. Makes that name something that really MEANS something. (Or it's how you end up getting your officer corps fragged. Basically the same thing, right?)
Your children watch far worse things they shouldn't in the playground via smartphone. They'll live. But yes, trek is not exactly family viewing these days.
@@chetopuffs ah so you can be sure every single child your child interacts with every day never has an Internet connected device on them for the 70% of the day your child is not in your care? How omnipresent of you. ;) Good parenting can only go so far my friend. Wrapping your kids in cotton wool will never be enough to prevent the interactions with other kids who are not raised in that way. For the record. If I had my way I would ban anyone under 16 having access to social media and confiscate any mobile device taken onto any school grounds by any student. I do believe in good parenting. I just don't believe in this world's ability not to break it.
This is the sort of humor that only a malignant narcissist--who gets off on bullying others--would find funny. This is Star Trek written by narcissists for narcissists.
If we're honest, if this wasn't Star Trek and it was it's own unique universe, would anyone watch this? This series feels like it was written by people who actively despise Trek and wish to undermine it because this had to be ok'd by a series of people. To name your janitor, Gene, of all the names they could've picked, like Jason or Bob, they picked 'Gene'. It almost seems as if it's some sort of humiliation ritual for both him and the fans of Trek. Here's the creator of your show, shovelling shit into a hazmat barrel, being disrespected by the alphabet people, and there's nothing you can do about it. It's their toy and they are going to destroy it in front of you. Utter garbage.
@@mitchellmelkin4078 I'm trying to recall such an instance. I know that Gene's wife was the ship's computer and was Lwaxana Troi but I'm honestly at a loss if there was ever such a character named Gene in any of the series. It's very possible that that's happened but I can't recall. Maybe even in the animated series, which is canon, but if there was such a character, I don't think it'd be anywhere near as disrespectful as Ensign Hazmat over here. It just feels like they are rubbing it in our faces at this point. I'm currently watching Enterprise for the first time, long after I dismissed it for being bad, but it's undeniably a Star Trek show, even if the theme is probably the worst theme song I've ever heard for any show. It's remarkable how STD has made me appreciate Enterprise, even if it has some big issues, probably because there's some level of heart and optimism in it. STD is something else. I don't know what it is.
I have an older colleague who actually has a cardboard cut out of Riker in her office (cheers me up every time I have a zoom meeting with her.) I did have to contain my incredulity though that she likes Discovery. Perhaps we’ll chat it through at some point and I can try to understand her reasoning.
The guy doing the shovelling is probably one of the 53 producers of the show. The other 52 already had taken all the executive seats on set and he had no choice but to play along or they'd dock his pay.
Rodrigo Marcondes, My question is how? Where's the money coming from, if Netflix and Amazon have told CBS to go pound sand? With no international distribution, another season is DOA, along with all the other SH detritus. Maybe, they've bamboozled some other sucker(s), that I have yet to hear about.🤔🤔🤔
I love Discovery, but this didn't hit right. Whether it's a jibe at old trek, Roddenberry, fanbases or not, it came across as elitist and frankly vile behaviour. The ship travelled a 1000 odd years into the future with a skeleton crew of die hard Trekkers and there wasn't one moment of camaraderie or team spirit. This "no name" was one of the people who literally risked his life for the mission, and what is supposed to be "the fate of humanity" and he's treated with the disrespect of an Edwardian peasant. Similarly, later in the episode, another female "no name" offered help to the same Officers who were in huge amounts of pain and failing to complete a vital task because of it, and she was similarly dismissed as an inconvenient gnat. Even if this is a nod to the new show "Lower Decks" or how these background characters have been ignored in the past, it really bothered me... When Stemets ended up bleeding everywhere, I was like; "Good, serves you right for being a tin-god-arsehole and not giving the task to the obviously more capable ensign who's day you just ruined". It's wrong because it's wrong, and it's worse because it's not what Star Trek is about.
I’m a little offended by this. Giving the... sanitation worker... the same name as the person that created the franchise is one thing, but then that woman immediately disregards him when he simply wants to be treated like a person. What the fuck happened to Star Trek...???
Old Trek: Respectful, decent, kind New Trek: None of the above and only attracts fans who act like they are better than everyone else just like the characters
If I'm not mistaken, the point director made is that he knew criticism of fans and raised the middle finger to all. Basically saying: "yes, I will milk the @^*% out of Star Trek series; and destroy the franchise in the process; and $&#* ^(& to all trek fans."
Speaks volumes about Kurtzman and co's lack of respect for the Star Trek legacy. Look at how Reno Nevada just bitterly dismisses the crewman when he tells her his name. Zero respect and appreciation for his efforts as an officer contributing to the operation of a Starfleet ship. I really can't stand the garbage that CBS are laughingly trying to convince fans is Star Trek under the Kurtzman banner. Start Wreck yes, Star Trek, no. RIP Star Trek 1966-2005.
@@starliner2498 nice joke. Sorry, but Lower Decks is a ridiculous parody of Star Trek, it is in no way canon just because they make multiple references to every other character from canon in every episode. It's just tragic.
@@starliner2498 having multiple references doesnt make it good high quality story telling with compelling characters which TOS to ENT had. All these multiple references do is prove someone can use Google. The characters in any Kurtzman Trek from Disco to Picard and now Lower Decks are not the type of characters you would find in any of the real Stas Trek series, Kurtzman writes contemporary charcters, dialogue and plots in all of his shows because has never watched and therefore understood that Star Trek has a unique tone which is why it has endured, it stands above the mediocrity and tells timeless stories. Kurtzman only knows how to write todays problems, he has no vision to understand that 400 years from now.
Remember that film, "The Man with the Iron Mask"? The one with DiCaprio? There's one particular line said by Louis to Philippe that just feels relevant to the way Kurtzman treats Trek and by extension fans: "And as for you, my brother, back to the prison you shall go and into the mask you hate. WEAR IT UNTIL YOU LOVE IT! And die in it." With the prison being CBS All Access and the mask being NuTrek. Or maybe sent to an actual prison and forced to watch NuTrek until you develop Stockholm Syndrome and love it. You get the picture.
