my problems with this scene: 1. Michael was relying on pure Luck that Book will be able to successfully jump the ship away , based on a theory by Osyraa's lead scientist (whom they suddenly trust for no reason). 2. why not first test that he can indeed use the spore drive before risking the entire ship on this theory. they could always spore jump back again and away again. 3. why destroy the enemy ship at all. starfleet's fleet was chasing it and about to catch it anyway . capturing the ship would be more beneficial. this is the same ship that Book's tiny ship managed to defeat all by itself just a few episodes ago. surely the entire fleet could have disabled it as well. 4. no one bothered to ask how many people (civilians) were on the ship . based on its size it must have been thousands . but no one cared. 5. Osyraa was dead so why not try to contact whoever was now in charge of the ship and negotiate with them , give him an ultimatum to release them / surrender before blowing up the warp core and killing them all. 6. saving the Discovery should have been the top priority because of its spore drive . risking losing it just to destroy one enemy ship was stupid.
This is how the writers think. This is all about the projection of the the writers on the show right now. They feel in their ultimate glory that any enemy of theirs should be completely wiped out of the universe. No quarter given. These people and their mindsets remind me of this mustache guy back in Germany. And I know this show can and will keep getting worse. All they know is projection.
Also what is galling is the only obstacle for them joining the federation is Osyraa wasn’t tried for war crimes. Well she is dead now. Shouldn’t they be trying to negotiate with them now?
Evil Janeway clip: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TWfSvBGtYYI.html Apparently some writers didn't understand this wasn't normal. EDIT: It's even worse. Even Evil-Janeway offered surrender...
Well, yes. Thats what Marxism is about. The show is just a vehicle for propaganda. Everything you love and identify with, is wrong and must be corrected. They are reeducating us about the *true* meaning of Star Trek, by fixing it for us. I mean, when they made Sulu gay, George Takei actually had to explain the difference between himself and a fictional character he played 🤦
@MGazT It's a bastardization of Star Trek and all that it once stood for. You should have deduced that from the video! When the "heroes" we are supposed to look up to perform in a reckless and irresponsible manner and are rewarded for it, this erodes the moral foundation of our society. Michael Burnham has all the qualities of a villain not a hero.
@MGazT In any other Star Trek series, a Starfleet officer like Michael Burnham would have been court-martialed. That might ultimately happen in this show; but instead of being portrayed as an act of justice, she'll be seen as a victim of persecution.
@MGazT The Klingons were pissed off because the Federation was encroaching on their territory. What about the "Non-Interference Directive" which expressly prohibits that very thing?
And the argument that "It's just a TV show" is lazy. The TV shows we produce are a reflection of our society and its values, so are the heroes we celebrate. Gene Rodenberry's hopeful and optimistic view of the future in the previous Star Trek series and movies is something that humanity as a whole should strive for. Alex Kurtzmann threw that out the window by turning Star Trek into another dystopian nightmare, the very thing it was never supposed to be. You could also say that it's a reflection of how far our society has fallen.
It started in the very first episode of the garbage that is Discovery with the new -- to Star Trek -- concept of "the Vulcan hello" -- Burnham's idea that you fight not only in self-defense but make pre-emptive strikes against potential enemies. This philosophy was expressed from the first episode of the first season of Discovery and defined Discovery, Picard, and all such JunkTrek. It is a negation of everything the Vulcans have been established to be and everything Star Trek has ever been. Kirk and Spock fight only in self defense and Kirk often risks his life to approach potential attackers with an offer of friendship. He never attacks another ship which has not attacked the Enterprise unless war has already been declared. Captain Janeway is reluctant to destroy an attacking vessel even when Voyager is under fire. "Get us out of here!" she says or, failing that, "Target their weapons array!" Not for her the first-strike mass slaughter of the "Vulcan hello". By contrast, Discovery is full of scenes of torture, rape, and slaughter. Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway reget taking the life of even a single enemy. The protagonist of Discovery does not value life at all.
Look how fast discovery processes. They don't even have time to reflect on things they did. In season 3 you can feel how every protagonista is protected by plotarmor. So they don't care about others. They never can't get hurt. If you can't feel pain or sorrow, you will never grow or change. For example: Look at Q. Before he met Picard he went berserk to every lifeform. Just because he had super powers. Like a child killing ants. He never cared about others. Till he got human. After that he changed. He understood how vulnerable everything was and respected life itself.
What do you expect from the generation that started #punchanazi? Basically the same thing, preemptively attack "potential enemies" rather than talk to them.
Real question: Has anyone on Disco ever actually tried negotiating? And I don't mean the modern version of 'negotiating' where you threaten a person with death unless they do what you say. Have they EVER tried to find a nonviolent solution?
the villain was the one who tried negotiating with them and making peace with them but they rejected her offer because of her past crimes and then killed her without trial . at the same time they had no problem making the evil emperor from the mirror universe part of their crew
that wouldn't be dramatic...at least that is how they think. If you don't have higher stakes and big action every single episode, then they'd lose their audience of simpletons.
Saru tired negotiating when they arrived at Earth, but Michael mutinied again and kidnapped the captain and held him. I forget if it was at gunpoint, but it was under duress. It "worked," much like robbing a bank "works."
For everyone who says “Star Trek fans always hate the newest show” let me remind you that 3-4 years into TNG was where it really picked up steam and had a good fan base, 3-4 years into Ds9 and it had thoroughly fleshed out bajoran politics and began introducing the dominion. It too had a growing fan base, 3-4 years into voyager and we saw character growth in the doctor that is practically unparalleled in trek amongst other high quality stories. 3-4 years into Ent and Les moonves pulled the plug on it just as it was getting good. 3-4 years into STD and it has only lost fans and made the real fans more weary- not more interested. This show is a disgrace to Star Trek. In short to quote senator Vreenak “It’s a faaaaaaaake!”
They need to let those who know and understand what trek is about to produce and make it. The 21 minute video Prelude To Axanar is closer to real trek than discovery or Picard.
Star Trek was never about killing. it was about transcending our animal instincts and becoming more than apes wearing clothes. 'I'm a barbarian but I choose not to be a barbarian, today.' You don't kill unless there is no other way. This summer I had some skunks living under my wood pile , which is right next to my chicken coop. I tried EVERYTHING to chase them away. Did hours of research about skunks but when I saw one of the young ones in the chicken compound, I knew I had to act. Skunks eat chickens. Only then did I ask a neighbor to help me kill them. . We make killing normal in this society and we shouldn't. Self defense, yes, of course. I felt awful about it. hated killing them. Life isn't a game. Life is precious. That was one of the things that I loved about Star Trek. It's philosophy.
Skunks Eat Chickens? That is a sad Story I wish there was another way things could of happened I Love Animals and I can't Stand when Someone has no Choice but to Exterminate them it breaks my Heart.
@@danielshottopics8187 I cried. I tried everything. Life in the country is very different from how I grew up. I am up close to nature. Things can get pretty sad, at times, and sometimes, very quickly. My neighbor had 4 sheep killed by a cougar last summer. My husband and I moved out here because we had had enough of city life... we wanted to grow our own food, raise chickens for eggs and age gracefully, together. My neighbor is part native American and has a far more practical sense about nature. We can become too idealistic when we live away from the realities. The skunks fed the vultures, field mice and bugs. The point of my story is we don't kill needlessly. There is no joy in killing. There is joy in surviving a war or fight ... but there is no joy in killing. I have a theory... Game of Thrones (which i did NOT watch nor read) seems to have been a very violent show, if the reviews i read, are true. I think it raised the bar on violence and sex on TV. Everyone is trying to top it and reach it's level of popularity.
@@zensempai7371 Yes, it's clearly not made for the fans. It's made for the Social Justice Warrior Community. A "strong" black woman, who can also show feelings (by crying nearly every episode) and who is loved by everyone no matter how stupid her decisions are
Even I was wondering about that. Why couldn't Discovery just fire some torpedoes, blow the door open, and leave? Or use phasers to slice a way out. I'm betting that the docking bay wasn't designed to withstand an attack from the INSIDE. Was there any reason for Discovery to blow up the warp core and kill everyone?
it's simple, the people in charge think every episode has to be cinematic...like a movie. Bigger, badder, more edgy, lots of explosions and action. They don't know how to build tension through smart dialog or creative situations. And they clearly never consider their ideas against what the franchise was built on. Bunch of wannabe hacks.
They don't even need to cut a way out. As they demonstrated, they have a magic go-anywhere drive that they needed to use before the detonation regardless
On Discovery? No children On the Orion ship? Probably also no children, but potentially some slaves that they had no way of knowing about. That aside the action they took was their only choice, if they did nothing their shields would eventually have fallen and they'd have been boarded and killed, leaving a spore drive in the hands of the enemy. Sooo nice try haters but there is logic to the actions taken.
@@adambrown6669 they can jump away regardless of whether they eject the warp core. Also the Federation fleet was following the ship, so it's not likely they'd have time to board Discovery before they were disabled themselves. Also with Osyraa dead the crew of the ship would probably surrendered, since the entire chain basically collapsed without her (for some reason). To offer a peaceful resolution, even if it means risking your own wellbeing, is one of the core principles of Starfleet. The moral code is what makes Star Trek different, and what makes the characters respectable. Destroying others without looking into any alternatives is not Starfleet, Star Trek, and without any moral quams it just feels like the Mirror Universe. Either way, if you watched through this video, read any of these comments, and still came out with that opinion then you I would Michael Bay's Transformers. You should find the depth of morality and logic applied to ethical codes stimulating enough.
@@kieranbinning6883 there's always someone like you in these threads... Incorrectly assuming things about people due to your own Ignorance. First off, they had no idea the chain had collapsed at that point, but did know that that ship knew where Starfleet HQ was hiding, that is one reason to have it destroyed. Additionally, had they not destroyed it, it would have no doubt led the federation fleet into a trap that would have resulted in alot more deaths, the possible end of starfleet, and the persistence of slavery and murder across the galaxy. As for time to board, the very moment discovery loses it's shields the ship would be riddled with emerald chain soldiers, that would have shot on sight, Starfleet was following but not engaging as they don't want to risk destroying discovery. Moral of the story is, destroying that one ship keeps Starfleet safer, weakens the emerald chain and subsequently allows Starfleet to be the only ones with access to the Dilithium planet which they will use to begin restoring the fleet and it's member world's, sure there is a chance that some slaves might have been onboard, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, the loss of anyone on that ship is insignificant next to the amount of people saved across the galaxy from their actions. And as for Michael bays transformers, I'm interpreting here as your attempt at English seemed to have drastically faltered at the end of your post, but if you're suggesting I watch them, I'll let you know I have seen the first one and some of the second one, and whilst the first one was ok, the second and onwards quickly went into being kinda crappy... But at the same time the anime version is sorta the same deal, big robots fighting eachother with plot sprinkled Inbetween, very much a kids show made into a movie that didn't really fit, though the game it spawned was kinda fun.
I forgot to add a clip I have of Michael Piller saying "it's not about the explosions , it's about the moral and ethical dilemmas" I will include it in another video soon
@@MajorGrin you could also have them destroying the city sized mushroom sun ship full of innocent Kelpien slaves, since genocide is no new thing for them :)
Star Trek Discovery: lacking the morality and strong storytelling of real Trek, and also lacking the stylish, fun sort of violence from WH40K, leaving everybody dissatisfied. Well done, Kurtzman.
As brutal and violent Warhammer 40K may be, the stakes are usually so much higher as the literal soul can be on the line there. In addition, even in 40K there a diplomatic soulutions from time to time, something i haven´t seen in STD. Tells us a lot...
@@2nd_Directorate when you can find more morality and Goodwill in a setting like Warhammer 40K then in all of Star Trek Discovery that's a pretty damning statement in itself
A homage to classic Star Trek existed in the 40K universe. It got wiped out in the Great Crusade by the legiones astartes because aliens were part of it. Even then, they still offered for the humans to join willingly.
Star Trek is now star wars. You're not supposed to think about the loss of life. You're supposed to cheer because the bad guys are dead. You're no longer asked to think about moral implications of actions. Just turn off your brain and clap when the explosion happens.
@@O1OO1O1 I agree. While I cannot stand Into Darkness because if they wanted to introduce Khan they should have presented a cinematic version of Space Seed instead of ripping off TWOK. ST 2009 and Beyond were enjoyable imo.
@@O1OO1O1 History is rife with examples of people who think just like STII's Khan. The new Khan is a pathetic attempt at humanizing what is already human.
@@-M0LE Yes, they are crapping on Star Trek ON PURPOSE. The worst moment (and best example) is from the second episode "cleaning up Aisle Five" scene, which disrespects the dead, humiliates a low-ranking crew member, and mocks Gene Roddenberry. Another example is from the twelfth episode, when Admiral Vance says, "It's made from our shit, you know." There are probably many other examples.
5:21 THAT smile isn't because she got promoted to Captains Rank. She smiles because she now can do everything she wants and get away with it. She smiles because she does everything, but not behave like a Starfleet Officer and no one can any longer stop her. This so called Starfleet isn't the Starfleet anymore. They put the most dangerous person in the Galaxy into the command chair and because no other ship in this universe has warp capabilities the Discovery is unstoppable. Even Khan, the 3 Klingon Dahar Masters Kor, Kang and Koloth had known when it was time to fight and when it was time to negotiate. For her, everyone in the Universe is a pawn in her game to gain absolute power. It reminds me of the episode, where the Mirror Universe Archer found the Defiant. With that ship, he would've been unstoppable in his time BUT because EVERYONE in the Mirror Universe hungers for power, that was like a safety mechanism. In this Universe everyone loves and adores and nearly worship Michael so there is nor safety mechanism.
wait wait wait wait! how did she get promoted to captain after getting stripped of her rank and position and knocked down to Ensign?! What is this, the 'reward people for nothing' fleet? Tilly goes from ensign to First officer and I wouldn't trust her to command a rubber ducky and Burnham is captain?!
@@Slayer398 Yeah, don't ask me. I don't watched it since S1. Only some reviews and i really don't know how starfleet would promote such a person into the rank of the captain. I stopped trying to search for reasonable explanations in this show.
@@Anthyrion Yeah, "reasonable explanations" isn't a word that exists in the STD universe. I'd only heard about Burnham and Tilly from talking to some other people who've been watching the show. Thanks for answering though.
One thing I can't stand about Discovery is just how it looks. Everything is blue. Look at the TNG clips, lots of vibrant and varied colour. Discovery is just... blue. Add that the the lens flare and the polished steel looking ships and it makes it difficult to watch.
And also orange! To me, it looks like they're using the teal and orange color scheme that's become popular in filmmaking. This link is kind of old but is good at explaining and criticizing the method: theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html
it reminds me of the biggest logical flaw in season 2 , when they decided to jump the ship to the future and only had 12 hours to make preparations , when they could have simply used the spore drive to jump the ship as far as they wanted and have as much time as they wanted to prepare . instead they disabled the spore drive and didn't leave themselves enough time to prepare . also they never considered just jumping to Earth to ask for Starfleet's help , or send shuttles to call for help
@@MajorGrin the spore drive has been shit since it was introduced. It's far too powerful, so they have to not use it or figure out stupid ways to make it not usable. The real life version of the mycelial network is amazing and smart, as depicted in Fantastic Fungi (documentary).
@@MajorGrin Preparation? When Control arive they Could say: see us. You find us 1000 lighyears in this direction. Or when they want a fight, they could....lets say, jump around the enemy and fire torpedos like in Season 1.
It's somewhat telling that when folk point to evidence in Star Trek that support Discovery, it's usually from a really bad episode. Saying "yeah, but this episode of TNG was also bad/stupid/inconsistent/morally questionable" is not quite the stinging rebuke you think it is.
You know, even in STIII, Kirk-not exactly Gandhi-gave Kruge ample chances to stop fighting...and even tried to save his life! I mean, in the end, he still kicked the bastard into a sea of lava, but he _did_ give him a due chance.
Yes, that's completely correct. Also, in TOS, Kirk shows forgiveness and understanding in "Balance of Terror", "Arena", "Devil in the Dark", "By Any Other Name", and other episodes.
And to kill a klingon in battle is a great honour for him and his family. To be captured is humiliation. Kirk (even if not knowingly) gave him the death he needed as a warrior. I often wonder what became of Matlz.
@@KY0UJlN LOL, poor Maltz. First, his commander mocks him for admiring the constructive possibilities of the Genesis Device. Second, Kirk gets the drop on him. Third, Kirk lies to him and then refuses to kill him. Maltz's Bad Day :P
Given that the Viridian is bigger than Discovery, and Discovery has "the turbolift planet" in it, then they could have gone to warp inside the Viridian without ever exiting the Viridian.
I was wondering what the hell the deal was with that big empty space with all those capsules in it. I was thinking "What!? Is the ship even big enough to contain this space? What happened to the shafts? THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!!!"
Lol, at this point this Ship is basically the Tardis: Far bigger on the inside. I think its about damn time we stop giving STV so much crap for having an Enterprise with 79 Decks, about 6 times more than it should have. :D
It's pretty much it, isn't it? They took this criminal and "redeemed" her because another criminal from a fascist empire got her out of prison. (why does the Federation have prison?) the whole arc for her, if you factor in season 1,is disgusting. She learns nothing. I feel for the kids who watch this. At least, we can hope it's a gateway to old Trek for them.
@@O1OO1O1 Hey, David Lynch’s horrible (but admittedly iconic and fun) Dune was a gateway for me to read the series. Same with a lot of bad Stephen King movies!
@@pinkfloydguy7781 Indeed. I'm fine with the recent JJ Trek movies. They're a great Trek gateway. Discovery goes too far, though. It's not just bad, but with a good heart. It's problematic.
@Chris Sobo Are you kidding? She's basically always breaching protocol and doing dangerous cowboy shit that weaks havoc all around her. She basically started a war! Go watch Nitpicking Nerd's videos about Discovery. He had a great one recently about how Burnham just murdered possibly hundreds of people unnecessarily when she gave the order to eject the warp core. Picard would have stepped down as Captain after doing that. He almost gave up his career at Starfleet after he did something similar, and he wasn't even in control of himself when he did it. Burnham was in complete control and is fine with it.
@Chris Sobo Did you see the first episode of the show? While her starship was making the first Federation contact with Klingons in years, she stunned her captain and then circumvented the order to hold off until a diplomatic solution could be attempted. She opened fire on the Klingons, giving them the war they were hoping to provoke. For me, it’s not that that is necessarily a horrible way to start a Star Trek show. It’s that part of her character arc is that she has learned from that mistake. That’s what the show tells us, but then what it shows us is that she still revels in violence. And this violence is not criticized past the first episode. It’s celebrated. She has an extremely itchy trigger finger for a Starfleet character. And she is the human adopted sister to Spock, who is supposed to have had great influence on her. Spock is a character who has historically represented a very high aspiration toward pacifism. Leonard Nimoy had a lot to do with this; he was the one who came up with the “Vulcan nerve pinch.” Even with a warrior character, like Worf, Trek has always presented the violence acted out by a Starfleet officer as a big deal, something to put a lot of thought into. Classic Trek never went for “comedy kills”, there was no casual slapstick killing. It’s just not a Wilhelm scream franchise. There are good reasons why people feel that Burnham is a poor character who doesn’t live up to who she’s supposed to be (who the show tries to tell us she is).
The new Starfleet is like "You have to kill 5000 people to become a captain!" Burnham is like "I will 10000 people!!! And most of them will be civilians!!!"
Why blow up the ship if you could just spore jump? Because the writers thought it would be more dramatic. Every episode is written to be cinematic, like a movie.
Except a Crossfield class. Really isn't that big. And I don't really understand why or how the inside discovery looks like a Super Star Destroyer this season.
yeah and now they are even doing the ships-ai thing - which is super weird when think about it, last season they had to get into the future because of ai's, it feel's so un-natural that no-one questions these sphere data-ai (which was no ai before)
For three seasons, STD fans (or shills) have been saying, "Give it time. It will get better. You'll see, Michael will experience character growth, and she will become a good person (and save the world)". Well, it seems to me that Michael is as murderous as ever, and the show's "morality" is evil.
I've not watched since ep4 of season 1, but I genuinely thought that WAS the point. That she would get busted down, learn humility and compassion, and how the chain of command works. But watching the reviews online showing her being told to do something by Starfleet and her first reaction is "fuck that, let's steal a starship" just shows that nothing has changed.
@@garym6315 Nothing has changed. As far as the chain of command is concerned, and humility, check this out: In Season 3, Episode 6, "Scavengers", Burnham is DEMOTED because she deliberately disobeyed a direct order from her captain the moment his back was turned. In Season 3, Episode 12, "There Is A Tide ...", she assaults fellow officer Stamets (who had done nothing wrong) with a Vulcan neck pinch, forcibly confines him, and kidnaps him. She had no authority over him, not that authority would justify any of those actions anyway.
@@2nd_Directorate Thats not entirely true, the whole thing started with her being punished for the fallout of her hot headed behaviour, she learns to keep doing the same thing and is eventualyl rewarded for it.
Mike B got the captain's chair after killing thousands of people instead of actually negotiating to Ossyra's next in line for a long but sure union and peace. Add to that the fact they just ignored informing Saru, the actual Captain, that he's no longer in command. Its like not bringing Geordi to Data's actual funeral. . *OH WAIT*
Well, she had to kill a certain amount of beings to get the promotion, like in a game. She just took the usual shortcut. And boom! (literally) Captain.
I still can't accept there are real people who "cry" watching STD because of how amazing it is. It's literal trash. Politicized trash masquerading as Star Trek. An absolute travesty it shares the same name as TNG and DS9. The Orville is such a better ST than STD or Picard ever will be.
"Burnham is the key to all this. If we can get her working 'Cause she's an angrier character than we've ever had in the series (since the travesty that was DS9)"
3:00 oh, that explains everything. She was a Klingon all this time. Performs medical scan: “Heartbeat is all wrong and her body temperature is. . . Jim, this woman is a Klingon.”
Yup. They could have at least made some (however contrived reason) for them to have to eject the core and destroy the ship. Maybe the ship could have been holding them and about to destroy them. Maybe they could ONLY jump as the ship was being exploded. They way it played out, Michael won and killed everyone for nothing. Shameful.
@@Wagoo In "Mirror, Mirror" (TOS), Kirk tells Spock that he (Spock) is a man of integrity in both universes. In STD, Michael Burnham is evil in both universes.
considering worf was LITERALLY set up by the Klingons and that ship decloaked in the middle of an ambush on a convoy by MULTIPLE CLOAKING SHIPS I disagree with that entire episode. The Klingons set a stupid trap that, counted on the Federation's stupid morality. Any other military organization would have been like "it was a literal war zone, YOU DID WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS RIGHT to save the convoy. now you will have to live with it" and the episode would then focus on processing that guilt instead of some kangaroo court.
DS9 has always been subversive trash written by someone who didn't want to make Star Trek. And Sisco was the worst captain ever since his entire character is just being angry. It's so shit. DS9 is why STD and Picard are trash because DS9 paved the way.
Lower Decks isn't that bad. The setting is great and the writers have a genuine love TNG era Trek that really shows. I only wish there a dramatic live action Star Trek show with that same kind of setting and aesthetic
They have a spare warp core in a universe when they have no dilithium Is there no stun settings on their phasers Maybe they were thinking what can we do for a massive explosion 💥 Are photon torpedos and phasers are explodable enough and the weapons in the 31st century are rubbish so let’s use the warp core , we have a batch of them in the cargo hold and we like that metal effect when it goes down the pipe. The only time they did it in the tng insurrection movie was to stop a fissure from opening in the briar patch . Maybe they forgot about exploration as discovery is a science vessel that hasn’t discovered anything How come she got promoted rather than court marshalled
What the hell kind of "tube" is the warp core ejected out of, anyways? Scraping against the walls? This isn't some old Ford with a crate engine...this is a warp core. Precision is essential. That scrape against the walls = antimatter reacting with matter = boom inside the ship, instead of outside of it.
@@compmanio36 to be fair, it seems like the way the core gets ejected is through a very tight tube. See Star Trek Voyager. When it ejects, it is also shown to be ejected through a tube only slightly big enough to let the core through.
@@2nd_Directorate You are right and they did miss a big chance. They could have shown the many different ways the pieces of Lorca's collection can kill and maim... Wait, does that mean this show fails even in that regard?
Who designed the warp core ejection system? The core was bouncing around in it like cracy. Ver high risk of getting stuck in there. Complete nonsense design and Michael is the worst Starfleet officer ever. Poor Star Trek, where have you gone. 😢
"Inquisitor Burnham, with all respect; is the destruction of that ship the only solution?" "Major Grin, it is said that heresy is like a tree. (...) Some may question my right to destroy a ship of ten million souls. But those who truly understand realize I have no right to let them live." Inquisitor Burnham in 3188
No, seriously, why did Micky say "BLOW OUR WAY OUT"?!? The warp core only exploded AFTER the Discovery teleported to safety. It doesn't make any sense.
In Star trek 2009, the warp core was ejected to get the boost of power needed to escape the black hole. Here, they could have just jumped away, they didn't say blowing the warp core and destroying the bad guy ship was needed for anything... and that ship was already surrounded by the fleet, it wasn't going anywhere. So this video is on point, and STD is once again trash.
the 2009 movie didn't make much sense either . an explosion in space can't cause a shockwave that will push you anywhere since there is no air around . no air = no "wind" to push you away , the explosion would just be radiation and won't push the ship anywhere it will just fry it
@@NitpickingNerd true, of course, but the movie at least made a token effort to explain why they did it, and how it would solve some problem they have, no science needed. STD did it too, but there was no problem that needed to be solved, they did it just for a fireworks show I guess.
I don't usually resort to violence or abuse, and hitting women is a big NO, but man when Burntham sits down in the captain's chair with that smug shitty grin on her face its infuriating. 😡😡😡😡👊👊👊👊 Despise her character and despise her as an actor. Nice touch with the Orville, it's nice to be reminded that the memory of trek still exists.
And she just walks away from this moral dilemma as if nothing happened. I remember in Doctor Who, the doctor faced a similar choice, to kill civilians, children & enemy combatants in order to avert further potential bloodshed. That choice left him emotionally scarred for most of new who (at least 6/7 seasons), and was constantly referred back to ... Such a shame what theyve done with Discovery, in a lot of ways it doesn't feel like Star Trek
2:09 This episode was based on a real incident in 1988 when the guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes mistakenly shot down an Iranian airliner over the Persian Gulf. Art imitating life.
This will be very useful for showing to all those people who think this show is cool and normal. I'll admit I couldn't watch this one to the end. it's distressing. I don't think I can do a 4th season and "Captain" Bunham. Watching Trek worrying what horrible thing I might see next is not something I ever expected I'd feel from Trek. An essential part of Trek was balancing their great power wit responsibility and humanity. Here, they're no better than 21st century humans.
Every other Star Trek: "War crimes are war crimes and should be punished." STD: "Representation and war crimes good, have promotion for both." Fuck STD.
I gotta tell you man, I haven't even seen discovery (never will) and holy shit some of these scenes are absolute insanity. Who the fuck is enjoying this shit?
Stuff like this just keeps piling on evidence that STD takes place in an alternate dimension. Like the Terran dimension but only slightly less evil/violent.
Thank you, Emperor. General. Major. Captain. For loving star trek to a degree I do not. Your passion illuminates volumes of the good stories I have forgotten. Please keep at it.
I had 3 years training (we do have this 'apprenticeship' thing still going around here) as a salesman and I was taught that it costs 10 times to get a new customer compare to what it costs to keep a regular customer. You could translate this into 10 times the effort as The Mandalorian proves it's not all about the budget.. However, I also think they miscalculated badly in one regard. Angering the fans today is heard by non-Star Trek Fans (isn't the internet and social media nice?) to a degree and if the Fans say that the show is bad, why should non-Fans want to watch it?
I've got a problem with "ejecting the warp core" in anything but the most dire emergency. It's the primary source of power so unless your on a ship with multiple cores your dead in the water.
