Now that Season 3 of Star Trek Discovery has begun, I figured it was time to check in on this awesome show from CBS and see if it's still as good as we all remember.
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I stopped bothering with shit like this (as well as mainstream media) years ago because I know their fraught with woke horse shit. I find out just how bad they are via folks like yourself. I gotta say, your confirmation is probably much more entertaining that the woke shit itself.
You piece of great Scottish ancient wisdom, you gave me so much pleasure and laughts on the other side of Europe. 60% you say is like sexy and gifted version of me said it. I couldn't agree more, they shited all the joy in the StarTracks with political and shallow pseudowisdom of dystopia, like many other things. Please, you great philosopher of today, could you analyze following: 1) Sexy Beast 2) The Proposition (great Australian movie in my opinion absolutely underated) 3) Upgrade 4) The Man Who Would Be a King (in the honor of giants late Sean Connery and Michael Caine, and how film makers are able to say so much of human nature and beeing critical without of preaching with cheap political tricks). Thank you, your RU-vid Greatness.
Me either I stopped watching disco and picard and never looked back after season 1 lol. I gladly watch the older ones though. I didn’t even bother with belowdecks I don’t know something just didn’t appeal to me it was too Rick and Morty
“Discovery is less of an artistic endeavor & more of a platform for political & ideological messaging” And that is why no one watches Star Trek anymore
Thats why no one watches anything new, its all morally driven and politically motivated to a degree that is unbearable. Star Trek, Star wars, Ghost busters etc
As a lefty, I can tell you it got a lot more issues than that. Most characters are infantile idiots that should not have passed the character evaluation tests to enter the academy, the "plot" usually requires to blow the shit out of proportion, you can smell the self-importance of the writer and the absolute disregard of the lore. And regarding politics, lefties dislike nothing more than a bunch of "pseudo-champaign-socialists" using the themes of our political fights to look cool among peers, I think on the right you call it "virtual signaling".
The funny thing is, all of the series before this handled political issues as well. It's just they were issues that make sense for the episodes and they also didn't feel forced. They also treat Star Trek as if it was never diverse. I am very very convinced they never bothered watching any of the other series.
I always liked how Star Trek was one of the few things that depicted a future with an adequately functioning society with people that cared about upholding morality and ethics because they understood that it's a slippery slope into everything becoming a miserable craphole if you don't. First episode of Discovery: "We can't talk to the Klingons, we have to shoot first!"
Not to mention planting a bomb on the body of a dead Klingon so that it would blow up inside the ship. Not like that is an actual war crime or something like that.
Y'know, I remember an episode of TNG where constant use of warp drives was beginning to manifest subspace distortions or something which would eventually make space travel near impossible. So at first I thought they could've used that instead of the dilithium thing, but that would require that they had seen TNG at all.
Though it's far more likely than the dilithium thing, I doubt that the subspace distortions would be a problem by then. Considering the issue wasn't addressed after that episode, it has been assumed that they found a way to fix it.
"Force of Nature". To be fair, the Hekaras Corridor was already strained from subspace damage. The variable geometry nacelles in the Intrepid-class were supposed to have taken care of that problem. "All the dilithium in the galaxy just went poof"? Yeah, no.
@@crowbar_the_rogue as mkdumas has said, the subspace damage problem caused by warp drive was addressed by the Intrepid class design, and ultimately the need for variable geometry nacelles was rendered obsolete by the Sovereign class.
They solved this issue. Ships like voyager and the Enterprise E are subspace friendly, you can see in Voyager, it was represented in the variable geometry nacelles. But any idea would be better than that Honestly i am happy people still remember the good trek
When a Vulcan has tears in her eyes and Kirk is ready to break down into tears barely holding it back at Spock's funeral that shows more emotions and brings out more emotion from fans than all the crying in Discovery put together. Including all future series.
@@JohnnyZenith I read the book Wrath of Khan way back. You thought being half-human was bad for Spock, for Saavik when she feels her Romulan side getting the better of her, she goes somewhere quiet to throw furniture across the room.
@@jaybroach4105otta agree with you on the Wheaton part. I always wanted to yell "shut up Wesley!" like Picard. Doesn't help that Will Wheaton is a raving lunatic soyboy in real life too.
I met Wil Wheaton on the cruise, and he was just as well-spoken as the other actors. People blame him for “Wesley saves the ship” but he didn’t write the first season scripts. That was the staff & Roddenberry approved those scripts .
Season 2 isn’t great either, but I blame the 1988 writers strike for that. Paramount had to recycle old scripts & scramble to salvage the remainder of the year. (Only 22 episodes instead of the standard 26.)
Do the producers know that their diverse characters acting like 10 year olds, swearing, being insubordinate and generally unlikeable is counter productive to their goal?
No, because their goal is to rewrite what is considered "respectable" to be more in line with their own tendencies, because they think it's entirely arbitrary.
Not when the producers know that their diverse characters acting like 10 year olds, swearing, being insubordinate and generally unlikeable characters will make some (and not a lot) of money...
You realized she was named Michael for a reason (after Michael the archangel). The “great captain,” the leader of the heavenly hosts, and the warrior helping the children of Israel (in this case the time displaced Federation)? Remember how she was wearing the Angel time travel armour suit? They strategically named her character “Michael” instead of Anna or Charlene, or Eunice, etc. A male name for a female character after an archangel that was also a captain and a “savior “.
@@kingoffriesthekingwillrise1701 That is the point. Star Trek has always had a diverse cast of characters, but the people running the shows now either never seen them or will not accept that as all they are focused on are the caucasian actors and actresses who played the characters. Their using racism to fight racism. On top of that their claiming that they are "better people" for including 'X' actor or actress because of their skin color or beliefs instead of developing their story and characters so the audience can relate to them in some way.
@@ChidoriReaper in Star Trek they even had characters from 2 different species. Even if it's physically impossible but ehh. But forcing 'diversity' on something just to have it, is usually for racism and ruins the story most of the time. I remember when they were outraged over the game Kingdom Come, that it doesn't have asians and blacks in it.... it is a game set in 1403 in Bohemia during the usual "clusterfuck in the HRE".
So true like why in the hell are they swearing in Star Trek?? It sounds just like that. Teenagers cursing in parties since their parents are away. i guess it makes sense, they are from the past and probably curse allot. At least they dont do that in Picard.... oh wait
8:20 They have no grasp of the kind of nuance in TNG where the senior officers have a regular poker night, which implies their friendship in service, while conducting it *off-duty* and notably missing the captain. This in turn beautifully sets up the closing scene in All Good Things where Picard finally joins them, setting aside the stigma of the captain standing alone, and embracing the people who loved and supported him even in a potential future where they'd all moved on with their lives. I LOVE the moment where he stops short, looks around the table, and says "I should have done this a long time ago" and Riker's like, "you were always welcome" and that was all that needed to be said. But screw that, we need uniformed service members, trained Starfleet officers, hugging and crying right there on the ship in the middle of a mission.
Yeah and it was once again one of the things that Q had to teach Picard. That exploring the galaxy and evolving are all well good but sometimes what you really need is that human connection.
Star Trek: Enterprise was cancelled after 4 seasons even after a massive fan campaign raised over a $Million bucks to keep it on the air. Star Trek: Discovery keeps getting renewed for another season even after fans are overwhelmingly saying they hate the series. What's wrong with this picture?
The crewmember in the wheelchair is still the highlight for me... not only could they not give him working legs (even though there was a crewmember that had practically had her body rebuilt), they gave him a wheelchair with actual fucking wheels... no hover chair or anything. Not even a bloody motor for the wheels. He had to push himself around the ship using his arms. ...and to make matter worse, there was no wheelchair access ramps on the staircases!
If I remember the scene correctly, the ship just got its ass kicked, so the crewmember was in a wheelchair because of an injury from the battle. So he was in a wheelchair because there still is some recovery time or because a starship's sickbay is not equipped for proper treatment. But you would think they would not let him push the wheelchair by himself in that case.
As a massive nerd, I want to point out just how stupid the idea that "the federation ran out of dilithium and collapsed" really is. Firstly, Dilithium is exactly what it sounds like, two Lithium atoms in a molecule. How the hell could the federation run out of Lithium? Countless planets, and not any lithium on any of them? Secondly, they use anti-matter for fuel on their starships, and presumably most of their structures. Now, the thing with Anti-matter, is that when it meets regular old matter, they annihilate. In scientific terms this means both turn into energy. There is nothing specific about Dilithium that enables this process, you can do it with hypothetically any matter you well pleased. Now even if I were to buy the idea that somehow there's no lithium in the entire federation, you can't tell me there isn't plentiful amounts of dirt, or asteroids that aren't specifically necessary. Thirdly, doesn't the federation have allies? The Klingon Empire for one, and over time perhaps the Romulans? Could even make a case for the dominion after enough time considering how the dominion war ended. The federation has always had cordial relations with the Ferengi alliance. Even if the Romulans aren't allies, how long until the federation can steal and reverse-engineer their powersource of micro-singularities? Or does that depend on lithium too? Couldn't any of the other allies have helped the federation out on this front?
I just want to scream NERD at you like Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds.. but out of love :) I always love how the real creators and visionaries for Star Trek at least tried to put some science in their science fiction. There was some sort of logic behind it, and not just convenience because we need to move the story along.
That's loathsome Tig Notaro, who landed the job through backstabbing and flagrant sexual harassment. Oh but of course that's all scrubbed by publicists now.
@@mattyboyanderson Is that who it is? Can't be a mistake that you didn't refer to her as a comedian. Her standup material rivals Hannah Gadsby's for being excruciatingly unfunny.
Even funnier when you realize that Jesus wasn't white. And that's still not considered "diverse enough" for them. So enter female space Jesus that has to be black, female, better than everyone, with a male name, and is likely asexual (or gay) for maximum diversity points.
@@chucksenhowzen9740 Why should it be decided in court? Trump lost both Wisconsin and Michigan. That's it. No court needed. But distraction is indeed needed.
@@RogueFox2185 The REAL Doctor died. He died when he went into that watch, what came out was the clone of a clone of a clone (etc...) Peter Capaldi was the last Doctor and that's canon.
My favorite part of this season is the end where they discover the source of the cataclysmic event that killed billions of people. An emotionally and mentally unstable mutant alien with dilithuim related superpowers who got real sad when his mommy died. Instead of executing the existential threat to spacefaring civilization on the spot they spent days trying to learn about its feelings so they can help it.
The original Star Trek had diversity in abundance - Uhura was a bridge officer, a black woman. The navigator was Asian, and another was Russian, the science and first officer was not even fully human but half Vulcan (and in human history, people ofmixed descent have often faced the worst prejudice of all). And the thing was, you didn't notice it you accepted it as normal because it was normal in the show. Compare that to STD which wears it's diversity on it's sleeves. One was a show that had incidental diversity, the other is a show that is consciously about how diverse it is. You can actually feel them checking the quotas and ticking the boxes. I can't take the crew seriously as the best the Galaxy has to offer and members of a highly disciplined service. When Kirk *almost* broke down after the death of Edith Keeler you really felt it, like wow, this is the Captain. In Woketrek they never stop crying or telling us how they feel, or about their damn "relationships"
Exactly, we had a strong female leader in Janeway and a diverse crew there as well that included aliens as regular cast members. I watched about 2 minutes if discovery and almost puked. DS9 was even more diverse with a black commanding officer, an alien 1st officer and a changeling as security officer. Also had Chief O'Brian in an interracial marriage with a biracial daughter, that relationship started on STNG. Let's not forget Geordi who was a very unique individual. This is all being done because they can't think of something original. Also because they want to be like the 1619 project and try to rewrite history even though this history is fictional.
And what made it work so well was that in the future, it would be natural that people of mixed ethnicities and whatnot could work together just fine. And the writers treated the characters with a lot of respect no matter what race, gender or species they belonged to (except maybe the Ferengi in TNG, but the Ferengi got a magnificent redemption arc in DS9). For example, Benjamin Sisko was black and he was arguably one of the best characters in the show. He was intelligent, physically strong and had a species of bodiless aliens on his side, but the show didn't take away anything from the other characters to make Sisko look good. In fact, they made them just as awesome. Contrast this to Discovery where white men are a minority and aren't treated with nearly as much respect because the diverse female protagonist has to be able to easily beat every single one of them. Because politics.
@@crowbar_the_rogue yep diversity was the backdrop while the writers focused on a story … while in STD the writers focus on diversity and the story is the backdrop!
Wait, from a writer perspective, how in the hell are you gonna justify a person falling from orbit in an unmanned spaceship and crash landing without dying or being completely incapacitated??
The writing? They dont worry about silly things like plausibility or basic science. Look at the ridiculousness of their whole parallel universe story line. All these people from the same star ship end up together on the same star ship in a radically different universe. And they all have completely different personalities now?
The original Star Trek was elegant, diverse, optimistic, noble, beautiful , and crewed by beautiful people. This is clumsy, homogenous, dispiriting, low, ugly and crewed by ugly people.
'Homogenous' indeed, since all the 'cool' people are females or black. Apparently dilithium explosions don't harm black people and women not as much as the 'white space patriarchy'.
@@isaacnykamp8083 Yup, it was a story about a female character that was loved by everyone, did everything better than Kirk and Spock and in the end died tragically while saving Kirks and Spocks life. It was called 'A Trekkie's Tale', which was published in 1973. As far as I understand it, it was meant as a parody of bad fanfic.
I can imagine the board meeting. "What's a beloved franchise we can milk the hell out of while we destroy it?" "Star Wars?" "No, someone is already doing that one." "Star... Trek?" "Brilliant!"
That’s what makes me glad my favourite baby Detroit Become Human is a little known French-made video game. I swear if these guys got their hands on it and made Connor diverse female Jesus I would punch a wall.
I've just finished watching episode 4 of The Orville and I'm nearly in tears. I thought it was just a silly parody of Star Trek, but NO, it's genuinely more episodes of Star Trek the way Star Trek is meant to be. MacFarlane genuinely understands ST and wanted to give us what it was always supposed to be, only with a modest dose of comedy added in. Episode 01 was okay, ep 02 was better, by ep 3 I realized I was watching TNG again and it's beautiful. WATCH THIS SHOW.
Hollywood's idea of diversity is African American, female and asian. Native American, Scandinavian, Persian, Siberian, Mongolian, south east asian, Indian, Arab, Polynesian & etc basically don't exist. When was the last time you saw a non-American Star Trek main character? If Gene Roddenberry was alive he'd make one of the main Characters Iranian like he casted Chekhov in the middle of the cold war.
@@ThePhysics1234 Fun-Fact: If we wanna be honestly diverse, then the Fact that each person with autism is different, means to represent Autism, Star Trek Discovery needs a Million Autistic Characters! Lol. Or we expand the defintion een further: Seeing as how each human is different, how about we just have BILLIONS of People of Colour!! C'mon, Sci-Fi especially should be able to pull this off: Just show a Picture of EARTH, the whole thing, at the start of the Episode. Haha. Ok, ok, now jokes aside and serious for a moment: The real funny thing is, these people dont know what Diversity is, so they fail at it. IF you genuinly dont care, the Representation will HAPPEN BY ITSELF. The Effort to be not-biased is already wrong in itself, in a sense. Get what i mean?
By the time the dust settles. Star Trek OG will be remembered in to the future, while the rest of the intellectual bile, like this, will be forgotten by the end of the decade.
Don't forget the part after the reunion where they talk for 10 minutes about nothing other than how they never lost hope that they'd see space jesus again and the long nights they spent contemplating their crash landing in the future during the whole maximum of 12 hours they were apart from space jesus. It's so deep because it's so relatable! Whenever I go for groceries, deep in my heart I too keep the hope alive that I'll see my house again, no matter how many tens of minutes I may wander from it!
Better than Discovery but describing The Orville as a lukewarm, creatively-bankrupt parody of TNG, peppered with unlikeable characters and garnished with Seth Macfarlane's smug humor, is being generous.
This crap is the reason I started watching again from the beginning. The old ones being as Trekkie as Star Trek can be👌😏 this..yeah nah yeah, it's garbage 🤦🤣
I saw Burnham described as “the most developed character in Star Trek history” on Instagram this morning. That comment got one reply; “oh god”. I agree.
In a roundabout way, that’s hilarious because the term “mary sue” comes from an old Star Trek fanfiction. In a nutshell, it’s about a perfect crew member named Mary Sue who is loved by everyone, even Spock. Funny how it’s all come full circle. 🤣
As someone who watched TOS in it's first run, I'd like to thank Not-zombie Sasha for repairing all the damage my generation did to ST, The Federation and the Universe in general. I hear Nichelle Nichols and Hattie McDaniel just thanked Sonequa Martin-Green for breaking down all those barriers and making their careers possible.
The fact that the initials for Star Trek Discovery is literally *STD* should tell you everything you need to know...because it's certainly as bad as one...
Dude, it's in it's 5th season...someone is paying those bills. The show is wildly successful. I may not like it, you may not like it but these fucking evergreen student's creation seems to be nothing but a success. Sad but true #metallica.
Whedon was grooming Summer Glau so she'd blow him. The second season of Firefly was never going to be anything but rubbish. Stopping at ep13 and planning for the movie was the best thing that could have happened to this franchise.
I blame JJ Abrhams for actionizing Star Trek. Those movies were huge commercial successes and many people’s entry point for the franchise. As a result, everything that follows 😮now needs to be presented in the same vein.
I know you may never see this as the comment section gets filled up quickly right after a video release, but I just wanted to say thank you Drinker, for all that you've done with this channel. I feel like you've been a mentor to so many people, both content creators and writers such as myself. It's refeshing to know that you live what you preach, writing interesting complex characters in tight well-paced stories instead of being a hypocrite like so many others. I enjoy the 3-D antagonists and the rich diversity in your stories from places to people. It comes across as natural. Your books proove what was done well 30 years ago is still possible today. We need this reminder especially now. I really enjoy the guests you've had on (last night was especilaly fun), and the logical, well-structured approach in your critique videos which are informative and inspirational to those who seek to improve their craft. The approach of celebrating the successful films whilst taking shots at failures is a welcomed balance that makes your channel all the more enjoyable. I don't know if I'll ever find the sucess you've had with writing, but I know I'm heading in the right direction. Hard work and perserverence to the end, I'd not have it any other way. Permit me to say, I'd love to shake your hand and buy you a drink ,my good man, if the opportunity ever came up. I look forward to your future videos and streams with great anticipation, best of luck with the launch of your 9th novel. I'll be raising a glass to you when my copy arrives at my door. I wish you all the best and once again, thank you. Cheers.
I am in the same boat as you are - aspiring writer. I love how the drinker deconstructs crappy plots and characters. Keep writing eventually we both will get published. BTW this is National Write a Novel Month
@@johntuck77 Thanks for commenting. What's your genre? Oh I know about NaNoWriMo! I'm using it to take a 30-day break from the manuscript I'm querying. Best of luck with your projects.
@@solarsailer4166 Fantasy/Horror mostly. Just remember what Steven King said: To be a good writer you need to do two things. 1) Read a lot 2) Write a lot. Keep practicing the craft and eventually, something will come of it.
@@johntuck77 Same. I'm doing a horror story in my fantasy universe this month. One of the toughest challenges I've found is seeking good critique partners. I really enjoyed reading Stephen King's Memoir. 'Write a thousand words a day and in three years you will be a writer.' - Ray Bradbury
always makes me giggle seeing so called trekies bitch about discovery yet most think TNG was good..... i think i can count the good episodes on my hands
@@Cheese_Boi1986 you're more than welcome to that opinion and to defend this show to the last if you wish. apparently some people actually watch it and enjoy it...
@@Phil_X I'm a life long trekker and i do like it. Not everything about it. But sets are flashy, stories keep moving along. And not adhering too much to Canon means we don't get bored knowing exactly where the plot is headed. Nice effort.
Its ALL so damn-dark nowadays in Films. Drinker and Others agree with Cody Johnston from 'Some More News' about the Bleakness of current Star Trek and how visibly different the Media-Landscape overall is.
Leftist showrunners are sadists. "My audience members are bigots! Therefore I will show them the most unappealing characters possible, in order to expand their minds through making them suffer. It's all in a good cause!"
Krapman is on my list of 'writers' and directors whose work I will never watch. It includes Ruin Johnson, Jar Jar Abra ms, & Dummy Lindelhof. Preachy bastards who haven't a shred of decency or respect when it comes to respecting the IPs they're expanding upon. Instead of providing escapism and fun they remind us of all the crap in our contemporary world. They use the opportunity to tell as story to shove in their own politics. If the last few years have proved anything, it's that people don't want to buy what they're peddling. Get contemporary politics out of our Star Trek and other universes.
Kurtzman is too dumb to know that. Also the idea that one energy source runs out and everyone just gives up is laughable. If we ran out of oil, we would just regress back to wood in this dummy's mind...
That would be a fun thing to explore in an universe where the gimmick are writers of Star Trek who actually cared about what they write. But alas, this is the other universe. Our gimmick is vanishing socks.
@@armadillotoe I am glad you are happy-but being fat is unhealthy your heart lungs muscles are all working harder than they need to diabetes hypertension smoking also bad lots of other things and people function well
@armadillotoe Hi, I know what body positivity means. If you watch the video he doesn't say, "...body positivity, err whatever that is!" The sequence of characters he is naming in this section moves on from "body-positivity" women, to the women with the weird stuff on her face which references his "....err whatever that is" line. I just wanted to clear that up fella.
The Pilot for Picard showed promise then it degraded into the shower of shit that is discovery. Even though they said "Picard" will be nothing like "Discovery". Suckers!
Fun-Fact: If we wanna be honestly diverse, then the Fact that each person with autism is different, means to represent Autism, Star Trek Discovery needs a Million Autistic Characters! Lol. Or we expand the defintion een further: Seeing as how each human is different, how about we just have BILLIONS of People of Colour!! C'mon, Sci-Fi especially should be able to pull this off: Just show a Picture of EARTH, the whole thing, at the start of the Episode. Haha.
Thats exactly what i was thinking. Saving the galaxy. And this latest episode, the ships crew ptsd was such a waste of time. I keep watching tho. But im getting close to bailing. I can see the other star treks on netflix w/o ads.
I have to confess, I've sinned. I watched seasons 1 and 2. I was trying to understand what the hell the show was about. Couldn't figure it out. So, I just gave up. Discovery, in my mind, is a waste of resources. Canon is what the owner of the brand wants, but for me, Discovery is not in the same timeline or universe of the original Star Trek. The "new" (2013-) movies are in the same category. I disregard them. A shame, really.
They somehow had all the dilithium explode, plunging the galaxy into a non-FTL driven hell where interstellar trade breaks down completely and then Holy Terra..., I mean Earth, falls into warring tribes? Where have I heard this before? I'm surprised that Games Workshop didn't sue for just about blatantly ripping off 40K's backstory.
*Watching that clip of Burnam jumping thru space* You do know, writers, that -Trying to hold your breath in space (rather than expel all the air possible) kills you because the pressure differential rips open your lungs -Trying to keep your eyes open usually irreparably damages them because of instantaneous desiccation -You *will* shit yourself because of the pressure differential between the vacuum and your digestive tract ...right?
Not forgetting in that scene female space Jesus talked a computer into releasing her from jail without the captains permission and in the same scene external hull forcefields were shown activating, so Mikey Spock shouldn't have been able to fly across that room, but of course she's space Jesus so she can do miracles.
I've lived long enough to watch almost my entire childhood die: Star trek, star wars, terminator, predator, alien, Halloween, exc exc. While 2 of the series from Japan I watched came back with very successful reboots and continuation: Evangelion, and Bleach It's like having Sjw-isms ruin stuff or something.
So true! I don't know why I force myself to watch this. The episode just aired was particularly awful! Just feelings and generally pathetic all around. I find myself watching a random TNG episode straight after just to remind me why I love star trek!
Fun fact: When Kate Mulgrew was crying too much as Janeway during season 1 of VOY, Rick Berman let her reshoot the scenes acting more composed. Garret Wang even recalls a moment when Rick Berman during a meeting with the actors gave the order, to not act overly dramatic and emotional ("... that's reserved for the alien characters"). Which is logical, because Starfleet officers are trained professionals, who learned how to deal with stressfull situations in a calm and composed manner - like astronauts on the ISS or during the Apollo missions. It goes back to the bible for TOS, in which is stated that the characters on the bridge should behave like real officers would do if they would be faced with a situation.
just wait til ummmmmmm..... whatever the next ep or season, when a new and "improved" gender neutral soy non-trinary data'lla is created, with twitter 2.8 ultra maam karen edition, instead of the slot for an emotion chip
@Bobby Situkangpoles Voyager had a great cast. It's pretty interesting that the biggest problem people had with Voyager was the script and not the acting.
