The news that Alex Kurtzman's contract to make Star Trek shows has been renewed by CBS for ANOTHER 5 years, is the final stake through the heart of this franchise. Star Trek is over, and it's not coming back.
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Kurtzman’s 5 year mission: to explore strange new orientations, to seek out new lives of characters to ruin, to boldly blow like no show has blown before.
I tell you what, the dumbest thing CBS did was allowing SEC College Football get away. SEC on CBS was a classic. They have lost most of the major sports to ABC/ESPN now and the SEC was probably one of the biggest $$$ makers left out there in the sports world. (It will especially be big now with Oklahoma and Texas joining).
@@ernestoribeiro2226 why would you insult animals??? i've known dogs far more loyal than Viacom CBS..... also a lion or bear doesn't kill humans cus they like to, they see us as food or a plaything and our reactions to run or fight only activates their predatory instincts meaning there's no malice to it what Klutzman is doing and what all these companies are doing is pure hateful malice....evil, it's a directed attack on our culture by pure evil and inept morons....I say burn all the woke and SJW's that should halve our population lolz okay really imprison most of em or oust the lot of em from power and shut social media down completely.....
The irony is that Star Trek was ALWAYS about the message. It's just that the message was hopeful, well written, well intentioned, and never ever used in a way that would feel like it was beating you over the head with it.
But the message wasn't wokeness, diversity for the sake of diversity. The characters, male or female, were realistic and generally competent. When an officer stepped over the line, Picard took them to the woodshed in his ready room. The insight, experience and knowledge of the Enterprise crew was desired and utilized, but the goofiness of the new shows was not to be tolerated.
@@jamesdaniel1376 Well the message of the original series WAS about diversity - as evidenced by the make-up of the bridge crew and the various allegorical messages that came up. But I agree that the sledge hammer social messaging and constant need for characters to "EMOTE!!!!" at the top of their voices just feels totally out of place. Small wonder we don't have any Vulcans on the Picard bridge crew - they'd probably give up after spending half a scene with Raffi and her constant narcissistic self-pity parties.
@@GusMcGuire The make up of the bridge crew on the original Enterprise wasn't really very diverse. There was only one female whose duties were restricted to opening hailing frequencies and monitoring radio frequencies for attempts at contact. There were no women in higher level command of departments. Yoeman Rand was basically a secretary to Kirk and Nurse Chapel was the nurse, not a doctor. The only "alien" was a Vulcan science officer. Other than that, there were no Andorians or any of the other races/species of the Federation represented. Then you have the obligatory 60s miniskirt wardrobe for the ladies on the set that was more about sex appeal than presenting a military style of uniforms. A crew that was 99.9% human with a 99% male command structure isn't very diverse. Diversity doesn't come into play until The Next Generation comes along with more sensible uniforms and, finally, women breaking the glass ceiling into command positions as M.D., head of security and ship's counsellor. Species diversity in the crew was still pretty rare, being represented by a Klingon and an Android. They may have preached equality and diversity, but they were still products of the prevailing attitudes of the day they were being filmed.
I was thinking of this- old trek was "the message" of what society COULD be. A hopeful message. They just showcased it as fact. Here is a woman who happens to be in love with another woman. it's not a critical part of the story, it's just a side note. It's the future, it's what could and should be. New trek is about beating your head in with it with very contemporary issues, and not in a way that's showing an ideal future. A good example is in Picard where they have an entire story arc about ICE IS BAD right guys? MAN SO MANY MEXICANS BEING TREATED BAD am I right guys? They don't show an ideal or a hopeful message, it's literally just beating your head in with a completely contemporary hot button issue of LOL IMMIGRATION REGULATION IS LIKE NAZIS OR SOMETHING AMIRITE GUIS? It's not intelligent, it's lazy, it's garbage.
How could you tell? It's not like CBS or Netflix shares those stats. The one he quoted was just for the USA. The world is quite bigger than that. And as stated, clearly lots of people must watch these - and worse shows, or else they would not renew them. Studios want money, they would not invest in that if they did not get views.
@@SwiftNimblefoot I just finished watching the entire run of Captain Jain's show and loved it. Season seven with Seven of Nine and the Doctor was really good!
"Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who cloak themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged. Waiting for right climate to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness" - Jean-Luc Picard
@@evillink1 Yes. The real Picard was a physical embodiment of wisdom who could kick your ass into next week in the blink of an eye, but would rather resolve situations peacefully because it's the better path. I miss it dearly.
It's killing me, really. I still sit here everyday playing Star Trek Online, re-watching TOS, The Animated Series, TNG, Voyager and DS9. Star Trek is never going to recover and it's like losing an old friend.
That's pretty much the case with everything Movies and TV now. I'm re-visiting old TV shows and Movies and reveling in the fact that there isn't a woke moment among them :)
@@amytattersfield2017 No, what he means is that they lack this modern meaningless pandering and childishness that's spread like a cancer throughout the entertainment industry in recent times. Older movies generally didn't have this problem because back then, people weren't terrified of being confronted with content that actually made them think.
I don't miss those days. It was aggravating for beloved shows to be canceled. But I do miss the days when shitty shows were canceled because they stopped making money.
Drinker loves the OG franchises. It's easy to understand why he drops his alcoholic "don't give a shite" attitude when the idiots who owns them keep on digging their graves.
No one battered an eyelid when Star Trek: DS9 had a black commander who went on to be captain and then a God or Star Trek: Voyager had a female captain as these were not agenda driven in any way they just cast really good actors to play the leads
DS9 was agenda-free, but the feminism was already showing its ugly head in Voyager. It was quite jarring going from DS9, which was awesome, to muh wahmen in Voyager.
@@albundy774 it was definitely more subtle. Back then you could almost dismiss it because you didn't know what they were aiming at. But watching it now, you definitely see the beginnings of the SJW culture war.
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 Remember as all art is political all art has an agenda, it is just that good stories show their ideas and not just say them.
A young John Connor once asked his cybernetic protector, "We're not gonna make it, are we?" To which the latter replied, "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."
As much as Star Trek, Doctor Who, and Pokemon, currently resemble each other and all have hour-long Essays made about them, I'd say Pokemon aint Dead and can theoretically recover. But can it? Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool.
The way I see it, "he's dead Jim" There's no point ever hoping that SJWs will ever not double down on their stupidity and pretentiousness. Just accept only original trek as Canon and everything else is just a holodeck adventure of a particular stupid and immature ensign on a backwater starbase somewhere. I let go after the first season of disco, and never looked back.
Will C-Drinker-kun ever cover Pokemon? I mean, its a Game, yes, but its so amazingly similar in its current Situation. Its named in one sentence like so: "Star Trek, Pokemon, Doctor; all the same. Trash."
I recently rewatched TOS, TNG, and currently on the final season of DS9. I can happily pretend nutrek doesn’t exist and just continue to enjoy the old classics.
Read that and thought: They’ve made a movie out of Terms of Service? Shite, what next EULA or the latest Windows Update? Maybe on to something. Hollywood? You there?
I've been watching TOS for almost 50 years now, TNG for almost 35, it gets...old. I mean, I've probably seen every TOS episode at least 50 times. So I just don't watch anymore.
@@richardm3023 I find that after I stop watching for a few months or years, I forget little nuances (and I am considered a Trekspert). Fortunately, our local station reruns every series every weekday.
"Maybe Star Trek no longer represents the best aspects of our nature, or the highest aspirations of our dreams - maybe it represents what we ACTUALLY are, and if that's the case, well, maybe now you understand why I drink so much." Epic quote, perfectly sums up all our collective feelings, alcoholics or not.
This actually made me pretty emotional. Recollecting how inspiring Star Trek was for me as a kid. It represented hope and aspiration, friendship and exploration. As a kid I could escape rough days at school knowing that those characters I aspired to be were there waiting. No one would aspire to be the characters in discovery. Self obsessed virtue signalling cry babies floating through space talking about their feelings. I couldn’t agree with you more, “Star Trek” is dead.
And that's the problem with so many franchises that have gone woke. They no longer offer us hope, moral standards to aspire to, or heroes to look up to. Instead of showing us what we could be if we tried, they tell us how shit we are in reality. Even superheroes are no longer real heroes.
@john smith on a slight tangent - Carolyn Porco (of the Cassini imaging team) tweeted the case for possible life on Saturn's moon Enceladus and the case for going there to explore, accompanied by closeup images of Enceladus and the water plumes, shooting from fissures in its icy crust. Wonder if there is life there? Want to explore? Want to go there? Want to develop tech to get there faster? That's Star Trek.
Someone, somewhere knew that Start Trek was a piece of American culture that inspired bright minds and gave hope of a better future to those that were otherwise disenfranchised with the present. When they paid the right people to destroy this franchise, they knew what they were doing. Welcome to asymmetrical warfare. Your kids won't have what you had.
Well, I finally understand the crushing disappointment my friends felt when they were saying that star wars was ruined. We're divided by our fan bases, but united in our misery.
"optimism for the future, aspirations to intelligence, reason, and curiosity, and the sheer wonder and joy at setting sail across the stars to discover what's out there." Well said, and RIP Gene Roddenberry's original vision. He was succeeded by lesser men.
If Albert Einstein was right when he said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results” then CBS has clearly gone completely and utterly bonkers.
They aren't expecting different results, They are deliberately destroying our culture at every conceivable level. If you need to know why, just ask the Gmork.
@@douglasstewart4790 But why would they want to destroy it and why would they happily waste hundreds of millions of dollars to do so? It still doesn't make sense.
@@TheRestartPoint As others have pointed out the activists wish to destroy the culture so they can replace it, and the mega elites basically just use it as a money laundering scheme and don't mind the idea of becoming nobles and kings should the society be overthrown. Worst case if it all burns down they just move, something the "tax the rich" people can never understand is that a trillionare can practically buy their own country, let alone skip town.
They don't expect different. They're quite happy to keep on this road. They're all banking on the wokefolk to become the new, larger audience that will last decades more. Despite all indications showing they're alienating more people all the time.
@@mos6507 There's no explanation for their continued destruction of everything that came before (star Wars, Star Trek, beloved comic book characters, etc. ad nauseum) other than malice. After the first hellyweird flop, they should have learned that nobody cares about a "POC-trans-gender-fluid-lesbian-superhero's-sidekick/butt-buddy". They're doing it on purpose. There is no amount of stupidity in the world that would continue financing the people ruining MULTIPLE multi-billion $ franchises. I get it that "Venture capitalism" could be the mindset ("Come on, man! Just give me a chance!") of the idiots in charge of Disney, CBS, etc., but good Lord....the board of directors should be able to see they're making TERRIBLE decisions and strip them of their check-writing power.
*Heh* *Sometimes people forget evil is just alignment, they might create* There's this manipulator out there who creates So I wonder what you would do?
An intro to a Star Wars: Last Jedi review on IMDB by someone: "The Last Jedi is obsessed with the fallacious idea that in order to move forward you have to destroy everything that came before. It is as if someone walked into the Louvre and said "you guys need to stop holding onto the past," and then threw a torch down, cackling as hundreds of years of irreplaceable works of art burned to the ground, and then, standing triumphantly on the ashes, drew a smiley face." - couldn't have said it better myself. Precisely this - and precisely what happened to Star Trek as well. Now there's at least some similarity between the two legendary franchises - both destroyed by talentless idiots obsesessed with money and politics (mostly the former).
Will C-Drinker-kun ever cover Pokemon? I mean, its a Game, yes, but its so amazingly similar in its current Situation. Its named in one sentence like so: "Star Trek, Pokemon, Doctor; all the same. Trash."
Uncreative people with deformed egos have been doing this shit for millennia - the sort of people that would call bathroom stall graffiti "art" because lowering the bar for what constitutes art is the only way they can pretend to be artists. Postmodern art is a good example of this. The largesse of past eras enables these massively-bloated industries to self-sustain without contributing anything meaningful to culture.
If I heard it right, the phrase "Mary Sue" was invented in a parody of Star Trek fan fiction, to make fun of the kind of usually-female author self-insert characters who show up in an established universe, solve everyone's problems, is perfect at everything, and the rest of the cast loves her for no real reason. Now mainstream Trek took that archetype and based lead characters in their new shows on it.
Fucking tell me about it. I gave Lower Decks a try, and... Goddamn, the show would almost be watchable if it didn't demand to be a Star Trek series. They try to characterize the female lead, Mariner, as this experienced worldly type who doesn't obey protocol because it's inflexible and unadaptable to new situations, but half the shit she gets up to just makes her look like an absolute psychopath.and even so, the plot _refuses_ to admit she's ever in the wrong. Get a diplomat drunk and lose him before a meeting? Harass and attack a fellow co-worker for having a relationship with someone she can do better than, so you assume without basis it's a shape shifter? Get drunk yourself and stab a bat'leth into your fucking co-worker's thigh? Oh, that's just classic Mariner, what a fucking card!
Except Paula Smith's Mary Sue was only aimed at bad fan fiction that most people didn't even read, while the modern Mary Sues are shoved down our throats by people that were entrusted to carry on the legacy one of the most beloved series of all time and was known for being well-written, and if one dislikes the character, it must be because they hate women and ethnic minorities and whatnot.
I have 2 young kids at home and every show that is made has to have a female character that is smarter, more adventurous and capable than all the boys on the show. Its bad.
@@mkocel and by having wings being clipped I hope you mean have a boot shoved so far up their asses that they’ll be tasting cowhide until they die, which will be immediately after
I re-watched Voyager about a year ago, and for a LONG time it was the unloved step child of the Trek universe, and while it definitely has it's flaws, and certainly shows it's age... no one would even attempt to make a show like that today. They actually explore concepts like racial tension, sexual violence, workplace drama, and cultural relativism in an adult, meaningful way. The show also portrays strong female leads, including the Captain of Voyager, and arguably the breakout star of the series, Jeri Ryan (As 7 of 9). Both of these female leads are treated as powerful, capable, but also sexual and feminine. I don't know if Drinker has reviewed Voyager, but I'd love to hear his take on it, if he hasn't seen it in ages, I'm sure it will surpass his expectations.
I really like Voyager! Some of the best ST episodes ever are in Voyager. Unfortunately, some of the worst are too. Remember that one episode where they break through the warp 10 barrier, Janeway and Paris evolve (?) into weird lizard things, have weird lizard babies and then just leave their offspring on some planet? Because I remember and that episode is hands down the worst and most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on TV. Although now that I think about it, I'd still much rather watch that episode 10 times than any of the "new" garbage Kurtzman calls Star Trek...
Even if he didn't like Voyager at first, I imagine the Kurtzman era has made him appreciate Voyager more recently, much like how it's made me appreciate Enterprise more, because I had no idea how bad it would get from there.
Thank you, Critical, for vehemently defending a series that so many of us dearly love - and for decrying the studios who are wantonly destroying its original vision of wonder and adventure.
Yes, every new ep. from this guy is a treat, I just wish he could do more of them. 5 more years of .... this? I just have one question; where is the money coming from? Besides Beijing, I mean.
CBS knew exactly what they did when they hired Alex Kurtzman. This was all very much by design. And extending his contract should come as a surprise to no one who has read about Woke Capital.
@Stephen O'Brien An [[Irishman]] fixated on the Blues? How thoroughly unsurprising! Anyways, Kurtzman's identity was mostly irrelevant. Anyone who was going to spit on the source material and virtue-signal through the property would do, and there are no shortage of those from any race, whether Kevin Smith, Kevin Feige, Paul Feig, or any other high-level producer presently making woke race operas for Woke Capital. Really, the indvidual producer is irrelevant here. A mere worker-bee to do CBS's bidding, and CBS itself at the mercy of The Great Awokening. Actually, CBS would have preferred a black woman for virtue-signaling purposes, but there are few of those in Hollywood, and Shonda Rhimes is already working on 12 projects at Netflix. No, that's not an exaggeration.
My mother is a huge TNG fan. She attended several conventions back in the day, and loves Patrick Stewart. Even she gave up on Discovery because it was so dark and depressing. She said that it went against everything Star Trek was always supposed to be, which is exactly right. I seriously can’t understand what audience these people think they’re catering to. It’s mind-boggling.
A commenter recently said to me that the people giving up on franchises are quitters and the 'real fans' are the ones who will stick it through. In a way, it was an astonishing illustration of how someone rationalizes, and even lionizes, taking abuse.
they THINK the loons over at twitter are their audience. but they dont know that those people dont watch/read/buy whatever they crusade for. mostly because they dont have time as theyre glued to twitter 24/7
@@vladpiranha exactly. I was proud to call myself a Whovian during Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith, and I even slogged through Capaldi’s first season, but after Jenna Coleman left I noped out and never looked back. It’s really depressing when your favorite fandoms betray you.
Are they really trying to cash in on the audience that likes Grimdark stories? I've never seen Trek but from what I've heard they basically pulled an Age of Strife from WH40K, the difference is that WH40K was always dark and depressing, and from what people have said about Trek, it was about progress and being hopeful about the future
@@exponenttie9707 thats EXACTLY what trek was (and should be) about. oh, and of course, gotta throw in SOME action scenes ;) a future where humans actually DONT wipe themselves out in, with no crime, disease, poverty or wars (at least, not between humans) tossed in for good measure, with the improving of ones self being the main goal in life (by that i mean no longer trying to acquire wealth or power and being selfish) and everyone is equal? where do i sign up?? now to be fair, i havent seen ANY of the new trek shows. but from what little i have seen in clips (an admiral being so disrespectful to captain f'ing picard??? gimme a break. and thats another thing! whats with all the f bombs in picard?) and people talk about it, i can safely say its not for me and have zero desire to see it
You hit the nail at 5:13 with "optimism" and that is why it's dead, Jim. Star Trek is a relic of a bygone era of optimism, generosity, and public trust which was itself an artifact of WWII. That era is gone and will never return. These dweebs are trying to refashion ST for our cynical, pessimistic age (cf. Section 31) but it just cannot fit the mould and we get these pretentious, tedious dumpster fires as a result. ST is dead and I am glad Gene Roddenberry isn't here to see what we're doing with it's corpse. Close the coffin, spade on the dirt, and let it go.
I agree on the death of that optimism. The moon landing happened when my father was 30 years old. 9/11 happened when I was. And yet something can be bleak and still hopeful. Otherwise it's just Crapsack or worse yet Grimdark.
You are so correct. But this is why we need classic Trek more than ever, to escape the horrible modern day world. Optimism doesn't have to be a philosphy of the past, it could be something for future generations to aspire too. But first you need to make a decent Star Trek show for them to watch!
It is okay to not be an optimistic writer, but that is still no excuse to be lazy and tell stories that (A) are false to the canon of Star Trek, (B) give viewers little to no reason to be invested in watching the plot, (C) reviving a beloved IP only to take out everything we liked about it in a new story about them, (D) pretend that optimism is an outdated concept that nobody even needs anymore, or worst of all, (E) disrespecting the grave of Gene Roddenberry by insinuating that older Star Trek shows are more offensive and problematic that they really are. They want older Star Trek shows and movies to hurt women and people of color, even when they are not bad enough to have that power. Worst of all, Star Trek: Prodigy and Lower Decks buried our love for Star Trek even further than it already was back in 2017 by showing us that nobody working for Alex Kurtzmann even knows who the target demographic for the Star Trek franchise is anymore! Even on its worst days, Disney-Lucasfilm has a somewhat better understanding of what the identity and the target demographic for Star Wars are.
Someone, somewhere knew that Start Trek was a piece of American culture that inspired bright minds and gave hope of a better future to those that were otherwise disenfranchised with the present. When they paid the right people to destroy this franchise, they knew what they were doing. Welcome to asymmetrical warfare. Your kids won't have what you had.
it hasn't been quite that long for me, but yea also basically stopped watching tv. I got like 4 shows I still watch, and none of them are story driven. a cooking show, a cooking completion show, and two heavy rescue shows. that's pretty much it. I've cut the cable about that long ago, and went to streaming, and now I've even stopped most of that. and yea I agree we really aren't missing anything.
I think you're making a mistake. TV is soo much better now than it was 15 years ago. What isn't better is Star Trek and, well, CBS in general - but so what? There are great shows being made all over the world. The best are honestly better than even the feature films of our time. This is the golden age of TV, and you're missing it. Try watching The Expanse or Black Mirror and tell me that it's worse than whatever you watched in 2006. Just try.
@@davidhoracek6758 I appreciate your interest in the medium - but I can see commercials, plot twists, and lame scripts from a mile away. I grew up in front of a TV and honestly can't stomach the media anymore. Also, whatever I watched back in 2006 was so little I couldn't tell you what it was. The last 'show' I could recommend to anyone would be HBO's ROME. (checking out shows for binge watching from the library is the ONLY way I can even try to watch 'TV')
@@nofarmers_nofood_nox3935 I will watch the 'PBS' videos I find on RU-vid as most of that type content has some value. I'd be pissed if local networks were included under the guise of 'public service'.
Honestly, the Star Trek one hurts the most. I hate what they did to Star Wars, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, and Terminator. I really do feel bad for a friend of mine who is more Wars-ser than Trekker. But for me, it was Trek. It was always Trek. As much as I enjoy the other ones, Trek was the one that I watched first, watched most, knew the most about, and loved. And some of what they have done actually does hurt a bit. I stopped watching halfway through S1 of Discovery, but I hear enough about the rest to be sad. Everything, _everything_ about it just makes me sad.
@@txdmsk I think that everyone will have a different one. There will be Wars fans out there who are more hurt by Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker than by this. I don't begrudge if someone cares less about Trek than their own favourite, but it's all the same rubbish, by the same idiots. Trek is just the one that I loved the most.
I was always hoping they'd make a series based on the original characters but in the new rebooted universe from the new films. I know a lot of die hard trek fans hate the new films, but as a fan of the original series and movies, I like the reboot idea as the only way to keep the best characters without being shoehorned into an endless quagmire of cannon story lines that 100,000,000 people will constantly "fact" check! Send the new cast out on a new 5 year mission that will ghost but never match the original series - gotta be better than this tripe!
@@nickh5081 I wouldnt have minded that nearly as much. Even if Discovery had been set _later_ - after Voyager, perhaps - then it might have worked. I mean, the spore drive might have been an idea to rescue Voyager, for example. That would have solved so many issues right away. Making it a prequel was a bad idea. And a lot of the other choices were dreadful too.
@@hansellius Prequels are always tough as everything has to fit perfectly into a set of historical lore that sometimes is simply mentioned in passing here or there but is followed with such fervor and intensity with series like these that you don't dare change anything - even if it doesn't make sense. STOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager all made sense. I enjoyed Enterprise myself, but I'm not a stickler for all the history and not a diehard Trekkie (Trekker) type, I'm just a fifty something year old guy that got hooked on ST in the 70s.
Star Trek hasn't felt like Star Trek since the end of Enterprise. Everything since then has felt like a parody of everything that Star Trek used to be.
Blame Les Moonves. He is to Star Trek what Michael Grade was to Doctor Who back in the 1980s. In other words, both of them DESPISED those TV franchises and wanted them cancelled as soon as possible!
@@1985slipstream I actually enjoyed the ending of Enterprise. Once you got past all the time-fu it became a much better series, even if the ending was extremely abrupt it was a good tie in to the feel of the entire universe.
I re-watched Enterprise a few years ago on Netflix. Aside from a few episodes the writing was pretty weak. More focused on action than intellectual content.
The New Trek movies were charismatic and fun at times despite making a giant mess of the whole thing. I enjoyed them for the action silliness they were. ( the rest and third movies I mean… about 75% of “into darkness” was so wrong and stupid I couldn’t even enjoy it on a surface level )
DS9 was dark and depressing but even in that show the best of humanity shone through and we saw how we can still be .. better.. even in a galactic war.
Deep Space Nine was dark? Absolutely, especially during the war with the Dominion. Was it depressing? There were times when things seems bleak or when the good guys didn't win, or when the outcome of a no-win scenario was the worse possible result, but was it depressing? I'd say no, overall. There was always a glimmer of hope
@@conroypawgmail to me, DS9 often seemed to be pushing the boundaries of hope. That no matter how dark and terrible the present became, you had to keep pushing for that better future just over the horizon.
It was not even dark. It was great and hopeful. Finally the federation has shown life again and noticed that you don't just need a handful of ships, but a few more.
DS9 was dark. But the spirit behind it wasn't, and the characters themselves were characteristic in their positive world view for the most part. We were watching Star Trek characters in a darker scenario and seeing them triumph against the odds. I haven't seen Star Trek characters in any of Kurtzman's shows. Just look at the cast of Picard. Drunk ex-drug dealer woman, cigar smoking captain guy with PTSD, scientist lady who murders people with no consequences and not forgetting the hatchet job they did on 7 of 9. What an inspiring bunch of tossers to crew a ship alongside Jean Luc, yes that's exactly what we all wanted.
Unlike recent Star Trek iterations, the Drinker knows his audience and cranks out snarky, funny, relevant content that sticks to his ethos and canon. It’s not rocket science….Hollywood just sucks.
@@t4rv0r60 I actually like lower decks. Yes it falls in to some of the tropes that The Drinker talks about but if Trek could be funny this is the funny it can be.
I’m still mad at Kurtzman for what he did with “The Mummy” (2017) because I wanted more than anything for the Universal Monsters to come back into public attention. Instead he killed a potential franchise.
Oooooooooooo that was a bad movie... shame. Loved the Brenden Fraser / Rachel Weisz one. That was a masterclass in how to make a light, self aware, but thoroughly entertaining movie. I went to the cinema for the 2017 fiasco with low expectations (Tom Cruise... c'mon...), but even they were dashed...
Well Tom Cruise was half of the reason why The Mummy was bad and lets not forget that Alex Kurtzman was the same idiot hack who didn't want Dracula Untold to be in The Dark Universe, because he said that Dracula Untold should remain untold because it would destroy The Dark Universe. Yet before The Dark Universe, Dracula Untold won a Saturn Award beating Annabelle.
As much as Star Trek, Doctor Who, and Pokemon, currently resemble each other and all have hour-long Essays made about them, I'd say Pokemon aint Dead and can theoretically recover. But can it? Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool.
Episode where Picard was killed / saved by Q from his heart condition, and Q showed him how his life would be like if he made different choises ... After that Picard choose to die ... ( did I got it right ) ? Edit: yea I got it wrong but still reminded me of that episode ...
This might be the saddest "go away now" I've heard him do. I've been watching ST since the 60s, and this rewarding of the creators/writers of numerous failed shows that have shat all over the past almost 60 years (and don't even get me started on Doctor Who) is enough to make me want to drink two fifths of JD straight and sob uncontrollably. I feel your pain, drinker.
@@igodreamer7096 Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool.
If ever there was a statement more true that "It stopped being about what we CAN be, what we can aspire to be, and became a representation of what we are today". Moved from Motivational to petty, from wonderous into bland, from what could the future hold to a stark and bland look at negativity. When you have an optimistic view of the future, you create something to aspire to. When you are mired in your own shit, you create a dark picture to represent you.
"Representation of what we are today" or even more to the point, a representation of what modern Hollywood hacks perceive us to be, with everything that implies (ie, not much in the way of balance, nuance or charity).
Yeah, while I agree, but on the other hand we've really done a shit job of taking care of our shit. Having something to aspire to is meaningless when you're not, as a culture or as individuals, actually trying to aspire to any of it. What we CAN be is maybe not actually what we can be, since we've had hundreds, or thousands, of years to be it and have signally failed. Maybe we just need to take an honest reckoning of how lame we as a species really are and start from there?
@@almishti Yes, we havent done well. They will be a reckoning. The world is literally burning, and the news looks more and more like an 80's disater movie. But that doesnt mean we give up hope. And these watching these new shows make you so depressed you do give up hope. Doesnt help to have a culterally diverse cast, if they all have the emotional maturity of a teenager, and dont represent the best of us. Dont have actors to have an argument with their shipmate, whom they are sleeping with, in front of their boss, the captain.
@@hwiley8141 Right? For an interplanetary alliance organization they sure do act pretty unprofessionally. Yes, most of what passes for entertainment makes me want to give up hope. I try to counter-balance that with other activities, the fact that i'm still here must mean I'm succeeding? :P
"Remember when Star Trek had strong male AND female characters, without seeming forced at all? And the shows were optimistic even while taking on darker storylines and subject matter? When the writing was overall pretty damn good and compelling enough to keep viewers coming back week after week? Well, fuck all that! Let's make it bleak and depressing and go the dark and gritty route and destroy EVERYTHING that people loved about Star Trek to begin with! Its sure to be a massive hit! Isn't 'subverting expectations' the big thing now? We can't lose!"
Well, i have noticed all the models i admire of strong women seem to have come out of the dark ages of female rights in hollywood. The Barbara Stanwycks,and Maureen O'Haras were always strong and well rounded characters most times. And people wonder why i live in the past.
@@demonkingbadger6689 They were strong and well-rounded because they were recognizably _feminine._ They weren't women written as men, nor were they bitchy, entitled, and aggressive _ubermench_ that constantly proved themselves superior to every male character. They were real women that acted like women. Even the classic noir femme fatale, the female villain, used her intelligence and her looks to get what she wanted, not brute force or magic "I'm so brilliant!" writing.
Streaming services can cover up the hot garbage… by using the money from the hapless saps paying for CBS/Paramount/whatever to pay for shit, agenda driven programs… and they don’t care. The commercial success of Doctor Who is meaningless to a company that just forces the public of an entire nation to pay for it through licensing fees… Now the old guard network TV has found a way to collect “licensing fees” to an ever more stupid and sheep like public….
The worst thing: They will ruin Q, the single most entertaining character, and the only character who gave zero fucks about human morality and Captain Stuckup Picard's values. Kurtzman not being banned by CBS or the whole industry is like a cynical version of "the trial never ends".
I've been watching a lot of TNG clips lately and noticed something. No matter how 'emotional' the scene, no one really ever hugs. These people are basically the space navy. In the first ten seconds alone of this video everyone is hugging.
@@weswolever7477 Your self awareness shows you're not as misanthropic as you think you are. Also some women are into that as long as you don't choke them. Some women like being choked too but they're dangerous to be around.
that's totally true, the sound effects are very navy. the whistle, the "you have the con" type thing. totally navy and it makes total sense. what you don't see and probably don't want to see is them having simulated sex. I loved the scene in voyager where Kim is kinda enthralled by 7 and 7 just asks him "Do you wish to copulate? " Kim the moron idiot says NO!. I ask you gentlemen, who in their right mind would have said No?
@@loturzelrestaurant No no no Not Pokémon I enjoyed both new releases I just gotta say This purist hub is toxic Last time i saw these levels was that one antifurry place You surely outdone yourselves
@@seantaggart7382 Yeah, sorry, mate, but it's an objective fact (whetever you personally realized it or not): These games were extremly beneath average quality. Hour-long essays have been made about it, just like with Doctor Who. Hour long essays or documentarys, explaining in detail and with facts how bad it is.
I have literally been in the same room with Kurtzman and the CBS share holders during an emergency meeting between STD seasons 1 and 2. The meeting was called as a last ditch effort to save the show from cancellation. I remember what was said and how the guilty party was shielded from accountability. (I'm not about to paraphrase here... or anywhere.) Let's just say, after that meeting I was flabbergasted to see that season 2 was in the works. The guy has something on somebody. He's untouchable and he knows it. Why it's so important for him to destroy things he doesn't understand or care about I couldn't tell you. But I can say it is 100% purposeful that he ignores all canon. He brags about it.
In the strange irony, at least they named the series correctly: STD. It truly is an awful disease that nobody wants when they were just hoping for some fun.
I'm not even sure they're making their production money back at this point. The show can't even hit 2million viewers on any episode (TNG was getting more than 10 million viewers constantly during the last 5 seasons). Are they just burning money for the sake of spitting in the trekkies faces that can't stand their garbage? Good luck with that kek
My schizo theory is that the entire entertainment industry is owned and nudged by big intel. They don't want to make money, they have the entire federal budget. Actual movies made by non-shills have to claw their way up amid the bloat. Otherwise, they're just churning out propaganda that might be mildly entertaining sometimes. The only reason games haven't been affected as much is just because they're easier to make without a huge budget.
You know, I think Kurtzman is doing the classic Cardassian light torture. He's just using terrible shows instead of lights, and he will _not_ stop until we yell that these are _good_ shows.
If you only had talent for directing producing and writing as good as he does for negotiating we might have something good but he's the exact opposite in that respect which is downright laughable for what CBS just did.
I know it's ultimately just a TV series but yeah the news of Kurtzman being rewarded with an extended 5 year contract was very disappointing. When I was little, Star Trek was my escape from the hardships at the time. It was a constant reassurance to remain hopeful that the future would be better. Picard in particular was super inspiring to me with his moral standards and ethics. To see Kurtzman so completely butcher Roddenberry's vision, to destroy beloved themes and iconic characters just really makes the kid in me sad. I'm also at a loss at how CBS can push forward with this crap. I mean it would be one thing if it was just bad Star Trek but at least objectively well written and executed science fiction but it evens fails at that level. Honestly, some of the writing in these new shows are the worst that I've seen from this genre since ... I can't even remember when. I also gave Kurtzman's "Star Trek" series a fair chance, having watched 2 seasons of Discovery and then 1 season of Picard, the latter being so disrespectful and disappointing that I canceled my subscription. The only hope Star Trek had was that CBS would see their mistake but NOPE! Now I'm just trying to think of these new series as crappy fan fiction with a big budget.
Yep. Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool. Getting attention to the original just like Mulan 2020 bought people to re-watch the Mulan Cartoon... i wish that a lot for Lilo and Stitch to happen...
That sign off line about who we are genuinely made me tear up. I’ve been hoping it would all blow over after that contract. It is truly dead Jim. Guess I’ll just start my rewatch with The Man Trap later tonight..
Why would you cry over that? You've basically said that you believe human beings are worthless pigs, rather than Hollywood just failing to do their job properly.
I was watching an episode of "Leave It To Beaver" this morning. The Beave gave a girl he liked an expensive gift he'd won. A series of fun/funny parental mistakes took place which led to the locket being mailed back to Beave and Beaver's father, Ward, going to talk to the girl's father. There was no yelling, no slapstick, no put downs (except between brothers and that was light and supportive) and when the fathers met you got the feeling the girl's dad mailed it back to avoid the embarrassment to Beaver, and when Ward went over to find out why the girl had sent Beaver such an expensive gift, there was no yelling, no challenges, no stress. The two men sat down and eventually everyone (Ward) realized what had happened. (The other father didn't make fun of Ward for his mistake, either.) Even more interesting, BOTH fathers realized that the expensive gift ($20, expensive for that time) was NOT something either CHILD should have given to the other. Then the most interesting things happened: Ward worked it out in a gentle, non-yelling discussion with Beaver, the episode ended and, GET THIS, I felt happy, relaxed and calm. The show was well written. All the characters were treated with respect and even the girl and her father, less than 3 minutes on screen each, were treated like real people. Or what used to be real people. Star Tecks, before the Woke Era, used to make me feel the same way. I can remember NUMEROUS STOS/STOG stories that ended with everyone chuckling over simple, ironic or observational jokes of one sort or another. You felt good at (most of) the endings. Now, however, I sometimes feel like I need ANOTHER CUP OFF COFFEE, STAT, to keep this jittery high going. Not a goal, but a side effect. Anyway, I miss when the STU was a place of constant discovery and forward pushing individuals who WOULD preserve the Prime Directive when possible and yet never got side tracked because of personal needs or induced stress in a situation that didn't need it. I miss those writers.
This is the agenda. The people making this crap hate masculinity, and they blame our entertainment for its existence. Make no mistake. They want you neutered.
This is why I turned to books. I just started book one of the Ryan Drake series. It's written by an intelligent and charismatic Scotsman. I hope I can meet him one day and chat over some scotch or something.
Yep. Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool. Getting attention to the original just like Mulan 2020 bought people to re-watch the Mulan Cartoon... i wish that a lot for Lilo and Stitch to happen...
@@asiberiantiger188 Yeah, I'm very sad. I mean, I'm a fan of Star Trek and Doctor Who also, but Lilo and Stitch? That hits differently. That hits differently...
Check out the Galaxy's Edge Series by Jason Anspach and Nick Cole, amazing military sci-fi stuff. Books are the only medium that basically have very little gatekeeping now, so there's a lot of freedom for anyone to write the book they want.
I’m rewatching Star Trek Voyager , it’s actually refreshing to see well developed female characters that don’t hate men , are likable , and don’t look like sullen lesbians with a permanent Cob-on
Best Star Trek spinoff I have ever seen is Star Trek Continues. It is an amazingly faithful homage to The Original Series replicating their storytelling and visual style. It effectively shows what a fourth season could have looked like. The episodes are available to watch on RU-vid and if you liked the original Star Trek you'll probably enjoy them.
I actually feel bad for the drinker. He has to watch everyone of these and actually pay attention to recap! Not the hero we deserved but the hero we needed!!!
I spent a couple of hours watching Rowan J Coleman's forensic retrospective of DS9. It reminded me of how good Star Trek used to be. DS9 is still my favourite ST iteration. Sadly, it's impossible to disagree with your conclusion that the franchise is now stone dead.
I never liked DS9, it was just a soap opera on a thing that didn't go anywhere, I much preferred Babylon 5 at the time, still didn't go anywhere but had much better stories to go with its slightly odd visuals. DS9 did improve once they got that there craft to actually go somewhere, mostly away from Quark! Then Voyager, I liked Voyager, apart from the silly looking feet for planetary landings, they looked wrong, but the series was good. Then Enterprise, never quite made my mind up on that one. Nothing after those was worth watching, until The Orville showed what Trek should be like, great characters, good stories, a bit of humour, very like the original Trek. Oh well!
I do like DS9, but TNG is pinnacle Star Trek for me. DS9 walked a very fine line of being grittier and darker, while retaining the heart of Star Trek. Picard, however, is the ultimate role model of how to win battles using only wits and words, without ever firing a shot.
@@Gankhisprawn TNG is my favorite too, although I really liked DS9. But DS9 was unfortunately responsible, ultimately, for the fall of Star Trek. DS9, like you wrote, walked a very fine line of being grittier and darker then Star Trek was as a whole. One of it's big themes was "It's easy to be a saint in paradise", it showed Star Fleet personnel in hard situations outside of the ideal Federation Utopia. Ultimately it reaffirmed the ideals of Star Trek but the characters did stumble along the way. Idiots looks at it being "Dark" and thought, "Star Trek has finally grown up. This is what Star Trek should be!" DS9 works as an exploration of the Federation working on the fringes, it should not have been the new direction of the entire series. It being such a masterfully done series led to imitators using it as a blue print for their own crap.
@@flyboy6392 It's also turning into quite a well written show that actually challenges different points of view. Orville might have had a rocky start as Seth Mcfarlane struggled to get out of his over the top gag style of comedy but I absolutely loved season 2 and am really looking forward to what he can put together for Season 3. The cast is excellent and have tons of chemistry and the show takes itself just seriously enough to not be a total comedic right off. At least one person is keeping trek alive, even if he doesn't have the rights to the name :D
Here's my take as someone whose only been into Star Trek for the past few years. The modern Treks lack the casting, chemistry and memorable iconic characters to really become beloved and cherished. Look at how the trio of Kirk\Spock\McCoy is so iconic. That magic has never been recaptured. The characters and relationships on a series or movie, book etc. Are what makes a story worth telling and watching eading. Nobody cares about the characters in the JJ movies, Picard or Discovery. But we all know and love Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Scotty, Chekhov, Picard, Riker, Data, Worf, Q, Sisko, Quark, Janeway, The Doctor, Seven of Nine etc.
Spot on. It's why I watch TOS, TNG, Voyager and DS9 reruns. Anything beyond them is bad storytelling and character development. The movies stopped being good at Nemesis. The only thing keeping Star Trek alive now is the series and movies prior 2009.
Noice. It actually gets a 3rd season. That are good news. Considering that it is meant as a parody The Orville has a surprisingly amount of good Star Trek vipes. With interesting and developing characters and many many well presented messages that Hollywoke supposedly is so font off.
@@rudolfgernd8760 The Orville ISN'T a parody. That's just the BS that Seth McFarlane told the execs to slip past their objections. Long live Seth Trek.
Better then Games Workshop is doing with 40k they are actively suing said fans for making fan works.(since they are better then the official stuff.) And let's not even start on Star Wars.
@@VioletDeathRei To make good entertainment, you must be a fan of what you are making. The people running does frangise are not fans and just want fame. And they are jealous of the work of actuall fans.
In fairness to old star trek, there were always those messages of equality etc in them. They were just well written and subtle. Deep Sapce Nine did so much with stories about war, terrorism, religion etc.
@@alexandragamingronyno2275 The oringal star trek intentionally had a black female, asian male, and russian cast member. That's not "subtle". The creator is a socialists as well.
Deadly Shells He might have been idealistic and naive about socialism… but he was an individualist and a deep believer in meritocracy. That’s obvious if you watch all the shows and movies he was a part of. Roddenberry’s Star Trek was post scarcity, not post meritocracy. It wasn’t post private property either. He added a clear caveat to “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” in “The Search for Spock”… “… except when the needs of the few, or the one, outweigh the needs of the many.”
Back when DS9 was still on Air we just didn't know how good we had it. I miss those days of great writing and even better story telling and honest tension between characters.
At this point in time, it's been 15 hours and you're at almost 400k views. By this time tomorrow, you'll probably be over a million. Give it a month, and this video will have obliterated any Star Trek Discovery ratings. It's so great.
@Andi Magna Well I am mixed race myself, and you don't have data on the ethnic background of people who comment on these videos to complain. Where are you getting your data?
@@peterkapunkt6783 Oh, sadly I wouldn't be even a little surprised to hear someone's writing a real academic paper about how disdain over current Star Trek somehow equates to White people being threatened by diversity (the Star Trek franchise of all things).
"And maybe that's the real message here. Maybe Star Trek no longer represents the best aspects of our nature, or the highest aspirations of our dreams. Maybe it represents what we actually are, and if that's the case, well, maybe now you understand why I drink so much." Brilliant insight. 100% true and accurate. That said, I'm not giving up on my inspirations. I'll keep the fire bright for you, me, and all true believers. Critical Drinker: Thanks for what you do with this channel.
Star Trek has a knack of reflecting our own world back at us, the zeitgeist if you will. In the 60s and 80s it was all optimism, exploration and building a future together, but now it's all depression, stagnation and destruction. Thanks for reminding us we live in a shit world of our own creation, CBS.
I think Roddenberry had real hope that the future might turn out as he envisioned it. And I think our present-day cultural vandals know in their black hearts that the only thing they can produce is ashes. It's hard for each of them to tell the stories of the other. But I think they were both always around.
“The illogic of waste, Mr. Spock. The waste of lives, potential, resources, time. I submit to you that your Empire is illogical because it can’t endure. I submit to you that you are illogical for being a willing part of it.”
Anyone else remember DS9? That old Trek show lead by a POC, starring several women and other POCs... and one, lonely straight white man, whom they therefore, obviously, repeatedly berated, humiliated and upstaged? Oh, wait, no... They didn't do that at all. Miles O'Brien was written super well on that show, as well, and the whole ensemble came off well. it's almost as though the writers of that show wanted to make sure that all of their characters had... y'know... character, and big, important-feeling moments, and good stories to be told. Why can't modern writers do that? Why do all modern writers seem to think that the only way to make one character look good is to make all the other ones look like shit?
It's quite simple...DS9 showrunner Ira Steven Behr is a superlefty, but he almost never let his politics come before story and characters, which is why DS9 worked. Now it's totally different ballgame, where politics and messaging is everything, and even those writers who have talent must go with the modern rulebook.
@@mikavirtanen7029 Good writing gives the best argument for both sides, it's what really makes us think, ISB might have been a mad lefty but Ducat was a villain you could sometimes relate to and understand his motivations. We now live in an age of ideology trumping everything else. There's no room for nuance or a balanced discussion on anything. The DS9 episode were the guy pretends to be a Cardassian mass murderer and Kira slowly finds out the truth and at the end has sympathy for her enemy is superb writing and it would never be produced today.
The best part of DS9 is that it was a darker, more pessimistic show and the majority of the characters were all written as people that didn't get along with each other, or had obnoxious qualities, at least at first. Major Kira, Doctor Bashir, Odo, Quark, etc., were all adversarial. It was a hell of a change of pace from the bright, cheery, cheerful Trek of yore...
Has anyone ever seen Helter Skelter? There’s a scene where Brian Wilson got Charles Manson into a recording studio. One of the record execs told him that his music was terrible. He replied “BUT I GOT A MESSAGE MAN! And THE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR IT.” Modern entertainment creatures are a lot like Charlie
It happens with almost every successful product. At the end, they milk it until it's reputation is an empty husk, discard it, and look for the next one.
My TV-set has only been connected to a DVD player for over 30 years now. I live a lot happier life now that I am no longer bothered by stupid Hollywood delusions.
Well Drinker put it best when he compared this cultural desecration to someone vandalizing the Mona Lisa, But I'd add every great contemporary artist of the last 300 years, all of them being desecrated by the woke assholes of today
yeah it was very bad. so bad in fact who would believe that patrick would actually ruin his best role ever. well its not that surprising since the last few seasons of next generation was horrible and boring and he was there to watch it all go down the drain.
Sir Patrick Stewart deserved to be retired. He doesn't deserve this kind of humiliated treatment. First, voicing the poop from The Emoji Movie and then this?
As King Terenas said in “Wrath of the Lich King”: “No king rules forever.” This is true of “Star Trek” just as it’s true for “World of Warcraft” and “Doctor Who.” We’re seeing beloved franchises destroyed by incompetence and a distinct lack of caring.
Business executives: ok adding woke garbage and deversity talking points failed what should we do? Employee: *let's do it again but even more in their faces* Business executives: *you sir are getting a raise*
@@readsomebooks666 that's the thing, they're not intelligent. You don't get to be a higher up by being smart, u gotta have good connections and lack any form of common sense and humanity.
Oh sh*t!? Glad i dont watch it!😡😡😡 Damn it! Oh captain...my captain! What've they done to you!?😭😭😭 That most british frenchman in space was my idol and inspiration when growing up!
@@nfspbarrister5681 More news for you. He hated Star Trek. He hated wearing the uniform. A lot of the changes to this series are from him. He originally turned down the offer for the show. Then he had them concede a few things. He didn't want it to be like previous Star Treks. He would not wear a uniform. He wouldn't be a captain. He has input in the writer's room. He is only in it for name recognition just like the "Star Trek" name. My theory is that this was a failed new sci-fi space show pilot and then CBS grasped at straws to fix it. "What's a cheap name recognition franchise that people remember, who is a cheap actor doing nothing that has name recognition. Star Trek, Picard...now let's toss in some Star Trek lore in these completely new stories and for characters nobody cares about."
its great. (edit: hate picard, std, jj, rick and morty, reddit, orville was never close enough, maxwell was right, mariners flaws are acknowledged nearly every episode and DS9 proved there is a market for challenging the strength of the star trek vision and for me right now (with caution) lower decks appears to be in good faith out there poking and bending every bit of the lore it can get its hands on, all honesty getting season 1 tng vibes off this thing and personally think this show could really go places but it all rides on the show giving these characters arcs and not hitting the magic voyager reset.)
Because it is actually good and the the show with the most respect towards is source material. People just watch the first 5 min. And think its cringe. Just give it a watch
I just don't understand how Kurtzman gets away with it. His stuff is unwatchable. It's not just the demolition of beloved past characters and story arcs, but the level of depravity, violence, and deeply nasty, unlikeable, unnecessarily violent, drunk, generally sociopathic characters Kurtzman inflicts on the viewing public with his 'new improved' characters that is so hateful. Bleak isn't in it.
You all remember that part of game of thrones (the book) where during Tywin's funeral he was visibly rotting? That's what Star Trek feels like now, a rotting, decaying carcass of something once great displayed purely by someone with an agenda.
yeah, I´m honestly curious about the buisness side of things. I get that they´re passionate about their brand of storytelling, but they still like money right?
Yeah just exactly are they making so much money on? If all they ever produce is shitty shows thats costs them millions then how are they still afloat? Or perhaps said shows only account for a small part of their income.
