Star Trek: Generations - "The Death Of The Enterprise-D" 

And she will kick ass again.

​@@AndrewChapmanand kick ass she did

You will be correct

Cheers to the 1701 Delta she may not have been the most aggressive or combat oriented of her bloodline, but when Destiny called, she knocked and Concqured

And she came back

And even better to see the bridge restored back to the TV look. Not that I didn't like this refitted bridge with the additional side consoles, raised platform at the command section and different lighting. But the TV bridge had a sort of living room feel to it, which I actually prefer.

Spoiler! But OMG, yes!

@@AndrewChapman Agreed. I didn't like the added stations and personnel. Didn't mind Worf getting a chair though. Honestly, I was a teen when TNG aired, so TOS was my first Trek and the refit 1701 was and remains my favorite on the outside. I actually thought the D looked pretty darn weird at first. But it certainly grew on me and while I'll always love the outside of the refit, the D is the one I want to live on.

Be inspired to have the same work ethic 🤙

It's kind of true.

@@silikon2 Yep, and a few eps in Odo calls him out for being terrible at his job while he was on the Enterprise 🤣

I agree that he is my favorite character in Star Trek tng.

He's also the man who restored the D 30 years later

The whole thing was kinda his fault

I was practically yelling at the screen “just eject the antimatter storage units! FFS there’s a whole page about this in the TNG technical manual!” 😆 If you read that the whole idea of a “warp core breach” makes no sense at all.

That and it was probably travelling at 3-400 MPH on impact.

More like 10......

RIKER: Worf, I said SPREAD of photon torpedoes! What part of spread did you not understa--? Ah, never mind, it still did the job and those bitches are now dead.

You know and that's what I thought as well back when I saw the film in 9697 whenever it came out is the saucer section mostly speaking with relatively intact and all you have to do would have been to fabricate another star drive for it but the Riders had wanted to replace the ship for the next film Rick Berman and Brian Braga but if they had wanted to stick with the ship it would have been a simple plot element

Given when this takes place in the timeline the probably did not have one to spare at that time but 20 years did seem a bit of a long time to restore it given that it mostly just needed a new secondary hull and repairs to the saucer section

@@LyokoisGreat2 20 years is a long time when you're doing things by yourself I mean you're not wrong it wouldn't have taken 20 years just the fabricate a new Star Drive in accoutrements if I know anything real world mentality most likely they stripped everything off the surviving saucer section and then place the Hulk in the museum but Geordie wanted to return it to her pristine condition active use and when you're by yourself 20 years seems like a long time he could have very well have him needed to scrounge components it's implied that he spent a lot of time working on it's not just repairs its structural damage and Jordy never really does go into details on what he replaced what he salvaged hail the bridge that the crew steps on in Star Trek Picard very well may not be the Enterprise D's original bridge should certainly not the same Bridge set and it doesn't look like it did in Generations it could very well be the original Bridge restored to its 2368 appearance or it could be the Syracuse's Bridge module we just don't know

I give a rundown of published lore here: qr.ae/prf5QO

with a newer stardrive from the Syracuse

They could see what Geordi was doing in real time. So if he is changing the frequencies, the Duras can see what he sees. The feed was in real time. So changing the frequencies makes no difference since they didn't know Geordis' visor was broadcasting what he was seeing.

@@setsuna200 You should be a writer on NuTrek shows (except PS3). Nobody would even comprehend what you are saying with all the absolute trash being put out by the Kurtzman Regime. You totally sold me on that excuse. I'm not being a smartass either. I totally except that logic & it's actually quite brilliant!

Me too! Rotate shield frequencies!

@@NoMoneyG Either that or the deflector getting hit with the _first shot_ screwed the generators. The main deflector's a key part of the shield grid. if that takes substantial damage, it won't work properly and they can't remodulate the shields, so the Duras Whores had to make the first shot count. After all, it wouldn't matter if the second shot hit anything else if they discovered what was going on. Say what you will about the Enterprise-D's crew, they're not _stupid._ And neither were the Duras Sisters.

​@@setsuna200And that's if they even realize that matching the shield frequency was how the Duras sisters were doing it to begin with; Worf doesn't say that, he says they "found a way." So they're kinda double-screwed. What this scene needed was a little more dialog and a couple more exterior shots. The Duras sisters basically do the same thing that Khan did and use the surprise of the first volley to shoot the hell out of engineering, likely screwing up the power grid so the Enterprise can't just fire everything back to get through the bird of prey's shields. Except, Wrath of Khan was smart enough to have that little bit where Spock points out the damage and says "they knew exactly where to hit us" and that the few shots they have won't be enough to get through the Reliant's shields. This is absolutely the intent of this scene, too, because one of the cuts back to the bird of prey has one of the Klingons tell the Duras sisters "our shields are holding," so the Enterprise actually is firing more than the single phaser shot we saw, but can't fire enough to get through.

Yeah would be funny to see her as a grown woman in Picard when they all walk on the ship and turn on the lights. "Where's my Teddy Bear Laforge, you promised! lmao

An overlooked detail in Ep. 9 / Ep. 10 of Picard Season 3 is that the saucer is still somewhat scorched along the leading edge - but you really need to watch the HDR editions (only available on the P+ service unless you pirate them, which I may or may not have done) to catch that subtle continuity nod

@@TheBaconWagoneer Yes, I have noticed the damage on the Saucer's exterior and it's subtle difference in color compared to the new Stardrive. Unless I'm mistaken, the exterior scorches got fixed one year later when the restored Enterprise-D was placed in the museum. I like details like these. 🙂 By the way: There's a fan film by Samuel Cockings called "Fallen Heroes" in which the story of Generations is retold by an Ensign from Engineering who happens to be a descendant of Captain Harriman during an interview. It briefly shows how the Saucer was recovered from Veridian III: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GUGAkiBh8uY.html

They should have used rapid fire mode. They used it in the episode with the Husnock warship, it's 10 torpedoes (2 full spreads) and 3 phaser blasts in like 2 seconds.

I concur it's entirely unbelievable they just didn't keep lobbing Firepower at the bird-of-prey even with strictly to torpedo launchers and 12 standard phaser emitters the enterprise-d should have easily overpower the bird-of-prey ram the damn thing for god sakes I mean Riker demonstrated total importance when it came to the bird of prey

@@bengoulbourn3985 It's even in the original TNG manual. 10 torpedoes at once, multiple phase banks firing. A single sustained burst from ONE main phase bank of a Galaxy-class has been shown to be enough to damage a Galor-class warship's weapon systems while it's shields were UP. Are we to believe a 30 year old Bird of Prey is that much tankier? I understand why they wanted to do the saucer crash, but they did a terrible job of justifying it. It just makes the crew seem incompetent and unwilling to try and save the ship.

I think this was fixed in the novelization. Enterprise was firing a full on torpedo spread at the bird of prey in that version of the story.

Yeah I think it's clear the Bird of prey despite being so old had modern upgrades. Though clearly they hadn't upgraded the defective plasma coils.

Geordi: Hold my beer.

Maybe cuz the D still lost her original stardrive section in the warp core breach and Geordi therefore had to replace it with a new one.

@@AndrewChapman I'm also referring to the saucer. I still don't understand how seeing the Enterprise D return in Picard makes the saucer crash more upsetting to watch.

@@ThomasFisher-jr6bn Cuz it's still sad seeing her crash as it looks like this is where she meets her end as her systems and power die out. Then when she makes a surprising return in Picard decades later, it fills us with tears of joy and happiness seeing her alive and restored to her former glory again. And also maybe cuz while Geordi managed to restore the D, it didn't make up for the loss of the little girl's teddy.

For one more time

Yep, and now she's in her rightful place at the Fleet Museum where hopefully she'll never be at risk of getting destroyed again.

To be fair, they had hax 🤷‍♂

yeah they cheated

| I would say Enterprise taking a hit that disables power input to the Computer core. Thus, shutting down critical systems like shield frequencies, evacuation protocols and warp subroutines. All systems must be operated manually…

more the bird of prey basically got the stars lineup for them to make a fatal blow before they themselves were destroyed. The enterprise was already dealing with issues with the warp core before the fight even started and the enterprise had to fire through shields that were strong enough for the smaller ships to make more pot shots before it was destroyed. Also dont forget this ship was designed by a federation who stagnanted so while a big mighty ship it had alot of flaws, in setting flaws.

Fun Fact: the ILM physical model for the Bird Of Prey was originally fully articulated - but the hinges got stuck some time after 'The Voyage Home', which is why the wings were always down every time it was seen after that (things changed, obviously, when CGI started to be used instead) Oh, and yes, that was re-used footage from 'The Undiscovered Country'

I remember being 8 watching this in the theater. Everyone screamed laughing at this part 😂

They probably figured since it looked so good in *The Undiscovered Country* they might as well reuse it here

@@jimhuffman9434 Or they run out of budget so had no choice to reuse it.

agreed like there was a throw away reference right before the firefight that the galaxy's famous core issues were acting up but it should have been a bit more obvious. Like right after they escaped the ribbon the enterprise was acting up, something minor but could be discarded because their was bigger priorities at the moment, or wasnt something that would have been a deadly problem at the time. THEN the precised shots they managed to sneak in before Riker regained control should have been the issue that made things worse which they only actually noticed AFTER the bird of prey was destroyed, but by then it was too late. You know the equivalent of something with a wound making it worse or even fatal with heavy activity cause they are still on the job and saw it as something they would have to take care of later

🤣🤣🤣 Seems like it!!

...And then the Klingons would change their frequency to match since they're still seeing everything Geordi does

@@TheBaconWagoneer Naah I don't think Geordi would have time to look at the shield console with all those coolant leaks in the engineering.

I always wondered who automatic shield modulation change feature was not added to starfleet ships after encountering the borg. For example the computer detects a weapon has just passed the shield and then automatically changed the shield frequency

Spreads always looked like one until the spread out. I always thought torpedoes could stay close like that. Regarding the modulation I always surmised the already made point. Your second point, yeah bugged me always. XD

The torpedo "spread" didn't spread out though. We see a single torpedo approach on the klingon viewscreen right up until when it hits

Destroying The Enterprise in III is such a problem

​@TheBandit025Nova Roman numeral 3 what? Star Trek 3, the third Abrams feel on Viridian 3. What do you mean by three III

@@TheDogGeneral Search for Spock

They didn't... the saucer was tractored back up to space since it would cause Prime Directive issues to the native Veridian civilization when they get to space travel a century or more in the future - and while Starfleet intended to scrap the saucer, Geordi claimed it for the museum and paired it with a engineering section left over from the Dominion War

Over? You did SEE that the Bird of Prey had its shields up, right?

@@DeMampCamp. Actually, I double checked this by referring to the RU-vid videos on Klingons attacking DS9 around the year 2373; and when this happened to the Enterprise D in 2371, the yield of photon torpedoes shouldn't have changed much and the shield strength of Bird of Prey also shouldn't have changed much (assumed). When Sisko ordered photon torpedo launchers to fire on the Klingon ships, you can see Bird of Preys with shields up (I am sure they didn't go in battle with no shields up) getting blown up by only 1 photon torpedo, not 1 quantum torpedo. So to say here that I need to Fire 3 photon torpedoes, it should be reasonably enough. FYI - It took 5 torpedoes to destroy Chang's Bird of Prey in Star Trek VI, the Undiscovered Country, but that was another time period where the Bird of Prey shield strength and torpedo yield are different.

@@techracer2003 And yet, despite all that, this video seems to counteract your photon torpedo theory. Oh well.

Geordi probably preferred the TV look and restored the bridge back to that version for nostalgia sake. Plus it sort of made sense going back to the TV version anyway as it was just the TNG crew back on the D. Would've felt a waste seeing those additional side consoles restored, only to not get used.

None needed really, the restored bridge in STP was the "in service" look (from Encounter at Farpoint to All Good Things), the Generations bridge was a bit of laziness in that the All Good Things future "Galaxy-X" refit bridge was left in place as filming of Generations took place in little over a week after they wrapped AGT, but they made look like they had mildly refitted the then-current D bridge, and of course needed "moar consoles, moar awesome!" for the big screen, they destroyed the D because they assumed it "wouldn't look good" in cinemas, yet, the rebuilt bridge in 4k in Picard, plus the Enterprise saucer coupled with a new(ish) stardrive section, it was just so damned beautiful, berman & braga took us away from our home, but Matalas brought us back again...

I mean it makes sense the bridge module Gordie used on picard was the one the D had most of its life. The one with the side consoles was likely only used for a couple months, that's a couple months in timeline.

same thought, i think in generations the D recieved a new bridge module and the old one of season 7 was stored

@@sanderrod9917 exactly. The Galaxy class all had different modules depedning on the mission requirements. If I really wanted to be sematic I would have also brought the issue up with the warp nacelles. These comments defending this little slip though... And also a throwaway to what the Janeways did to the Borg would have also been nice.

More like she was put in stasis.

He should have braced his leg against something like he usually did.

You act like he has control over the show lmao

@@torei9261 Too bad we're not allowed to call out people who upload shitty quality videos, whether they edited it themselves or swiped it from another source. If only someone had the forethought to search for a decent quality version of the video they're uploading. Naw, that'd mean they put some true effort into their content.

@@Estes705 how do you expect him to make the music more quiet? There is very few you can do if it's one audio track

@@torei9261 Apparently either you don't know how to read or just choose not to. Which one is it? Though I stated in my previous post, I'll say it again, he could have searched for (and uploaded) a better quality version of the scene, one that had a better audio track.

@@Estes705 Obviously you are a bit slow so I will try to explain. When it comes to videos the audio usually is a compressed format like mp4/3 at 48 kHz rate. That means that you have to lower the quality of the video to a terrible point to affect the audio in a way you would notice right away without comparing it to the original. Scaling the video down to a lower resolution is usually what happens when a video looses quality. So when you edit a video you get one video channel and one audio channel. That's it. So you have no control over how loud the music is going to be. You can try mixing techniques or plug-ins to make the speech more audible but that's beyond what most editing softwares can do. That being said there is nothing that could be done to make the music more quiet and it's most likely as loud as in the original series at best quality.

I assume that when Geordi said "there's nothing I can do", it was because the ejection system was offline

Warp car ejection system is never online!

I would not eject a core when orbiting a populated planet, btw they should have a secondary or manual ejection system

@@freedukefan99 Agreed about manual ejection; the D was just not meant for the big screen so it had to die. Veridian III was uninhabited, according to Data in the stellar cartography scene. Plus, the core was going to blow either way; if anything not taking the entire engineering hull with it would produce less damage and debris.

@@gaussian18 well the death of this ship was retconned

No, it makes it look like crap. Movies are meant to be played at 24fps. Videogames are meant to be played at 60 fps sometimes, at 30 fps in others. No need to mix em

@@profhobo8681 You aren't in charge of how I feel about something chief. I like it.

It completely ruins the cinematic essence.

It really does mess up the flow in a few places. It doesn't seem to cope going in and out of slow motion shots.

@@Recessio right!?! Riker moves in a certain way, Frakes looks like he’s hurrying. One would say in this situation aren’t you? Nope not Riker, he’ll strut through a nuclear blast and swing one leg over the crater and have a seat like nothing is wrong…

well you dont need to worry she's at the fleet museum

Because the primary, secondary and tertiary systems would have failed. Not to mention the control panel would have exploded, launching anyone attempting to type a command into the terminal across the room.

​@@jimhall3810 I'm guessing that's the same reason they didn't just dump the warp core. When Geordi said there was nothing he could do, he meant it.

@@namelessandsouless1 dumping the warp core would have failed, flooded engineering with some unknown radiation and killed half of then. A wish none of be that was true.

Even if he could dump them, or dump the core, doing so mid battle would be very unwise. The klingons could shoot the tanks or the core just as they eject, causing a massive antimatter explosion right next to the hull.

Considering how we see TNG and DS9 uniforms among the D crew in this movie, they probably slipped a Romulan uniform in there too to save time and budget lol

Lursa and Bator taking out the D... yeah, kind of weak. Also, there's a gross level of incompetence of several officers here: Worf, head of security, allowed a surveillance device onto the ship. Really, Geordi and Beverly should have analyzed the VISOR and found this. Deanna manages to crash the saucer onto a planet... this almost has to be deliberate because obviously staying in space would have been better. But unless the ship was *ridiculously close* to the planet, it should have taken hours to days to get there. It took the Apollo spacecraft a couple days to get to the moon. Sure, the saucer can go much faster, but why would she aim for the planet? (Though, maybe it's standard procedure... I dunno.) Funny thing, Marina Sirtis was so excited to finally get to fly the ship... and they were like "keep reading". ;)

@@silikon2 None of that would have happened had Data NOT installed an untested and previously damaged programming chip during an ACTIVE INVESTIGATION into a Romulan attack on a Federation Solar Observatory.

@@DelcoRanz93 Meh, maybe, maybe not. They constantly play with the warp core or plug random things into it too see what happens.

@@silikon2 honestly I didnt HATE the idea on theory but yeah it was a weak way for the ship to go, like I get Riker getting caught off guard from his overconfidence and well ego. Like they said they had minutes to move the saucer, so in some ways it was the dumbest example of murphy's law. But yes Beverly should have analyzed geordi's visor either one of them should have before then. honestly form my understand its standard procedure because of what could happen in space...in theory being in space is better but it was likely to crash into something, the shockwave would have caused the saucer to lose control, so its better to crash land it onto a planet with breathable atmosphere than risk it drifting off into who knows what. Though the idea of a gnat being able to cause a chain reaction that leads to the death of a titan isnt completely surprising or the worse idea, and honestly just says the state of that generation of star fleet.

@@SuperGamefreak18 Meh, the chances of the saucer hitting anything in space for quite some time are extremely low. They could have at least added in a throwaway line that the stardrive’s emp disabled life support and they had to land immediately. It just felt like the saucer accidentally crashed which is pretty weird.

can't do the The Picard Maneuver with seat belts

Exactly!

I can rest so much more easily now. 😊

Shuttle Bay was in the saucer anyway.

@@leonkernan The Shuttle Bay 2 and 3 are In The star Drive section

Limited capacity that doesn't even get close to the full compliment of the D and getting them out in a timely manner before the warp core _exploded?_ It was faster to evac them to the saucer, which could house _everyone_ with ease and could easily handle the breach with her shields. And the first person to make the Troi crashed joke gets smacked: you say it as if she had a _choice_ in the matter. Helm control was only regained _mid-plunge._ She saved _every single person_ on that ship.

@@housecoatgaming There's An Escape Pod At The Star Drive Section

​@@housecoatgaming But wasn't it Data who used the thrusters to level out the ship?

Meh, I didn't like the E. I mean, it's a fine ship in and of itself, but it's also a warship. I do buy that Starfleet would do it because of the threats of the Borg and the Dominion, but I still find it depressing. It was ok for First Contact but I think it was way out of place in Insurrection. In Insurrection, I felt like I kept wondering where the Enterprise is. And don't get me started on that joystick 😂 Thing is, Starfleet going from that luxury cruise liner D to the menacing warship E might appear to show strength, but it actually is a sign of how much the Borg invasion and Dominion war damaged the Federation. It's literally a sign of weakness.

Also the G is a Constitution-III-Class, not a Titan-Class, The Titan-Class is the Titan’s reward for what happened during frontier day. That class’ prototype would be in the form of the NX-80102-B, and I like the Galaxy and Sovereign, I also like the Odyssey (The Enterprise-F) aswell, hopefully we’ll see the latter again in the care of Geordie at the museum along with her Galaxy-Class predecessor.

Heresy! Long live Galaxy class

That was always a question I never understood yeah why not just eject the warp core and save the entirety of the ship I guess it might have been disabled during the attack but you have to think there had to have been some manual way to do it that might have been why Jordy made such an effort to say the enterprise-e that way but I digress

"ejection systems offline"

@@randomrazr still television's depiction of how they work it's not reliable LOL the ejection system exists so that what happened to the stardrive wouldn't I have to say I mean if nuclear powered aircraft carriers had as many problems as this fictional Starship oh my God that would be blowing up left and right there has to be a way to manually do it I still contend that's the reason Jordy fought so hard on the enterprise-e cuz he wasn't going to lose another Starship or pieces of it

@@TheDogGeneral lets just be thankful the enterpries-d got a proper ending thanks to the picard series lol

They were unable to eject the warp core of the Enterprise-D, presumably because of all of the battle damage that the ship had received. It would stand to reason that newer ships, like the Enterprise-E, would have been built with additional, more effective redundancies, including a manual override system, in order to reduce the risk of a complete failure of the warp core ejection systems.

Naw, you’re just brainwashed by today’s crappy CGI. I love this detail…

@@Medicranger its the lighting

It isn't the upscaling to 4K ... it's the upscaling to a higher framerate that makes everything look wrong.

I watched this in the cinema, then on satellite and then streamed on Netflix. This version makes it look a bit amateur - everything looks a bit fan-film. There's something in the way this video's been rendered that takes away the realism. I always loved how this was filmed using a a moving handheld camera so it felt like you were actually there experiencing it. On the other hand, I always wondered how the ship didn't suffer a single dent when it hit rocks, cleared away outcroppings of trees, and ploughed through tons of earth but something managed to cause a smashed glass dome above the bridge. And the bit where all of the furniture lurches forward just before the ship comes to a stop, throwing the cast forward and to the floor - straight out of Blake's 7, season 4, episode 13 (1981) when the Scorpio suffered a similar fate.

@@carlyleroadThe Enterprise D saucer returns in cannon 31 years later in Picard S3 (Generations 2371, Picard S3 2402) You get a few looks underneath it. It got pretty messed up from the crash. It still has the scorch marks from re-entry and lots of dents/damage.

There's a deleted scene from Picard S3 about that. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C2srSv4oLLc.html

Ayooo

The Enterprise-D was capable of jettisoning its core, but the Galaxy-Class had a very problematic bug, the Engineering Safety Systems would seize up during high-stress situations, preventing it from ejecting.

@@Kreachie true, that's why Lieutenant Shaxs wants to "ejected the warp core" at the first sign of "high-stress situations"