More like the TOS pre-refit Miranda-Class starship that MANY Trekkies (including myself) have assumed MUST EXIST considering the registry numbers of many of the TMP refit Miranda-Class ships (USS Reliant, USS Saratoga, etc).
@@samronin1141 Even before Starfleet, Saratogas did not have some of the best runs of luck. Oh sure, some served with no issues, and some were lost or blown up in a nuclear weapons test. As can happen....
I'm just wondering if we're going to see a few other things that hearken back to TOS, like a Lieutenant Terrell aboard a SNW version of the USS Reliant.
Prometheus is the unluckiest ship in Sci-Fi. Prometheus in Prometheus: Destroyed ramming an Engineer Juggernaught. Most crew killed. 2 survived only to die later. USS Prometheus: Star Trek Voy. Captured by Romulans crew killed only retaken by 2 EMH's X303 Prometheus: Stargate Sg1. Destroyed by orbital defence platform in the Battle of Tegalus, 39 dead. ESA Prometheus: Babylon 5: In the Beginning. Started the Earth Mimbari War that almost saw all of humanity wiped out. 250k dead. Yeah, I'd say the Prometheus is more unlucky than the Farragut at least among the wider sci fi franchises. I'd worry getting posted to any scifi ship with that name.
I just wish the bottom "secondary hull" bulge was extended all the way further back so that there's more room, maybe for a shuttle bay. After all, the ship shares the same impulse engine, and though probably a slightly thinner nacelle, it pushing a ship half the weight of the Constitution class. I do like the look of this new ship As far as the pylon curbing inward, where it's located makes sense as the nacelles are tucked inward out of the way for most of the range of the phaser turrets. If you look at the Miranda, the side phaser can hit the front of its nacelles. Then there's the ridiculous Nebula class nacelle literally right below the phaser array.
please explain the warp geometry for the inwards curving warp nacelles... how exactly is that supposed to work? otherwise, I do like the design as a whole...
@@futo on Enterprise and TOS it’s large but flat but the film onwards thinner but like you mentioned taller. Basically it’s large, some of the starship designs I can’t work out where a warp core would go.
I like this ship design. Definitely has the Miranda Class vibe. Only problem I have with it is the name. The Farragut should be a Constitution Class starship. It’s one of the names that TOS producers and writers DC Fontana and Robert Justman used in their Season 2 and onward list. As mentioned in “The Making of Star Trek” book, Justman and Fontana created a list of Constitution Class starships that they used for Season 2 onwards. That list is: Enterprise Exeter Excalibur Lexington Yorktown Potemkin Republic Hood Constitution Kongo Constellation Farragut Valiant Intrepid I always felt this was a pretty set in stone list since it was written by DC Fontana herself so this is kind of a sloppy continuity error. I mean I guess this could be a replacement Farragut after the original was destroyed, but it just seems kinda weird to me.
I think the reason why SNW's USS Farragut went with a different design so that it will be easily distinguishable to the Enterprise, especially in a large space fight or setting. Same reasoning why the Miranda class existed during the Wrath of Khan. Having two Constitution class ships on screen for a fight will make it hard for fans to distinguish which ship is which from a distance. That in mind, makes sense on why every time we see another Constitution class in Strange New Worlds is either that ship is destroyed or nothing of important happens to said ship.
Maybe instead of a Connie they could have made the Bonaventure type ship first Seen in TAS episode Time Trap. Call it a refitted Yorktown class( make the Star Trek legacy Yorktown class ship canon) and have something with the Connie silhouette while not being exactly the same type of ship.
In fanon circles, making TOS era Farragut another Constitution is ok but if for onsceen, it just makes practical sense if Enterprise and Farragut do not look alike, consider Reliant in TWOK, it was supposed to be a Constitution refit just like Enterprise but it would be confusing visually. I feel Discovery and Brave New Worlds are a different timeline anyway, I ant reconcile visual differences. I also have difficulties with it ,same as I get a bit twitchy when USS Republic was depicted as a Baton Rouge class. Fact is we never saw and were never meant to see USS Farragut and we only ever saw Constitution classes in TOS so it made sense in 1967 to make a list of ship names and assume they would all be same class. Now, in 2023 there are probaby hundreds of official canon designs from severalseries and games, fan designs and refits, proposed designs for ever bilt ships, and so on. AS a result reconciling it into one timeline can be hard. Tv seris makes only obligations is to make entertaining television. It up to us fans to make sense of it or not. Like, if USS Farragut in Generations was destroyed in Domion war, was an Excelscior class a new build (doubtful) or just a renamed Excelscior. "This observation was also confirmed by the Star Trek Encyclopedia (4th ed., vol. 1, p. 262); furthermore, the authors speculated that this Farragut was an older ship which was retired, then re-commissioned after the destruction of the Nebula-class USS Farragut." Makes some kinda sense.
If it wasn't for the fact that ENT and SNW have given Andorians a new specific aesthetic, I'd describe this version of the Farragut as having "Andorian nacelle positioning", per FASA's Andor-class, Thufir-class, or Northampton-class.
Am I the only one who would like to see more Kirk in snw? Oh yeah and peregrine is pronounced [PERR] + [UH] + [GRIN] please don't think me rude but peregrine falcons everywhere would be sad if someone didn't point it out.
A lot of people are saying the Farragut might be like a california, but it lacks room for the one technical spec that makes the cali stand out: its oversized warp core
I would like to think that much like the mayflower, this was another prototype that would eventually lead to the creation of the Miranda class. A more refined and solid version of the Farragut and mayflower designs. Heck the registers numbers are even pretty close together with the mayflower being NCC-1621 and the Farragut being NCC-1647.
Wasn't there something about Kirk where, after the cloud creature incident on the Farragut, he spent a year as an instructor at Starfleet Academy before his promotion to Commander and becoming XO of the Farragut? And another curious thing: the font used for starship hull registries in Discovery seasons 1&2 and SNW...it's the same as the ToS era movies...which would all occur AFTER ToS proper. Why would they change it for that period of time of Federation history where Kirk commanded the Enterprise, especially knowing that it was also used under Pike's command in "The Cage" (which SNW takes place after), and thus likely under then-Captain April's command?? 🤔🤔🤔 Seems like a waste of resources to change the font in the 2260s, only to change it back in the 2270s where it'd effectively stay forever. Unless you just hand wave it away with the "loosey goosey timey wimey stuff". 🤷🏽♂️
I believe. It was . After graduation 3rd year , his fourth year placement ( starbase or ground base ) was at starfleet academy, required class for cadets. ( apparently he was a very good teacher) then he was assigned to the uss republic ( constitution class) and then the uss faragut ( constitution class) . It's part of his career briefing in his court martial. In the tos episode he was accused of murder. .
You had some ships in a battle scene of this video I've never seen before that looked pretty cool-like to know about that one. It looked like a FLAT ENTERPRIZE BUT EDGIER,
Anyone else see the "face" in the moon at time stamp 4:50-4:55? You can tell whoever did the animation and let me say it looks awesome but whoever did it tried a "Man on the Moon" kind of face with the shadows and craters but just didn't do enough to make it more subtle. The hair is flopping over to the right, the nose is very prominent with close set eyes, rounded jaw line and a heck of a mustache. Our brains have evolved to recognize faces and patterns, there's a scientific name for this I cannot remember right now but I saw the face almost as soon as it popped up. I had to rewind because I thought for sure I'd seen wrong but nope, there it was. To any who read and possibly respond, may you have many blessings and much good fortune.
the model clearly shows a secondary hull .. its not very large secondary hull, but it's there ...that is also, more than likely, where your missing shuttle bay is located
The Romulan Bird of Prey dates back to the TOS first season episode “Balance of Terror”. The Klingon Bird of Prey was introduced in “Star Trek III: The Search for Spock”. Hopefully, someone will correct me if I’m wrong but my recollection is that in the Romulans were the villains in the original version of the screenplay for Star Trek III but they kept the name and overall design of the Bird of Prey when they changed the villains to Klingons.
Id prefer if it was a constitution class uss faragut . ( original Canon). Kirk served on uss Republic and uss faragut before enterprise. All three constitution class
Then it wouldn’t make since for Kirk to accept the position of Captain of the Enterprise if he had served on two Constitution class prior, unless of course he would jump at the chance the command the Flagship of the Federation. Now if the Republic and Farragut were Sombra Class, then it would make since for Kirk to accept the Captaincy on both a constitution class and the flagship.
@kevintran5901 no he was a junior officer on 6 and rose to be first officer on faragut. And then captain of enterprise, which wasn't the federation flag ship at the time, having served on two constitution class vessels, he was qualified.
@@kevintran5901 it makes sense to accept a command. And Canon tos episode court martial, stated his service history and showed faragut as a constitution.
@kevintran5901 that new Canon. Original Canon, it wasn't , it became kirks flagship. ( nx enterprise was ) and picards enterprise ( both ) were In abrams trek in was ( are newest flagship deserves to be launched with more pomp and ceremony. But enterprise was brand new , in original April commanded for 5 years , the pick has been for 12 year by the cage and several more before kirk , and commands 10 years before refit. Then another 5 years than spock and him again briefly But never in tos or the movie is enterprise the flag ship of the federation, only kirks we hear nothing about b and c being flagships . I'd argue the 1701 and 1701 a. The roles of b and c made it the flagship going forward. Like how nx established the federation. But dialogue breaks Conon sll the time. In discovery and snw
I realize the SNW is in an alternate reality, but in the TOS reality the Farragut was a Constitution Class Starship, with its hull number NCC-1647 implies that he was upgraded from some other class. I don't agree with your assertion that after the Farragut was reported destroyed (a Nebula class) it was replaced with an Excelsior Class. That would be going backwards. While we see Excelsior class ships in TNG all the time, it is unlikely that Starfleet is building more of them since the latest and greatest current models (Galaxy and Nebula) would more likely be in construction. The same with Naval Vessels. Once a particular class has been replaced with a newer model, production of the old model comes to a halt, or the old model is halted with the new model is unveiled. Example: Enterprise-C was an Ambassador Class. When she was destroyed at Narenda III, Starfleet didn't go backward and clone a copy of the Enterprise-B, no, they went with the most state-of-the-art design they had, which was the Galaxy Class. When Enterprise-D was lost, Starfleet did the same thing again, making a new Enterprise with the newest class available, the Sovereign class, and so on through the progression of "newer, faster, better" ship designs.
How so? The Cayuga has already made a handful of appearances in S2 until the finale. They probably want to create new ships for scenes to avoid confusion with the Enterprise
@@BullGator-kd6ge point taken but what if the USS Farragut was a constitution class now that would be epic and it would serve as nod to Kirk starting out as midshipmen on his first adventure on the Farragut
Farragut was on DC Fontana's list of Constitution Class ship names to be used in the series. But, we never see her on screen, nor is she specifically identified on screen as the same ship type as the Enterprise. The list was "official" in so far as it was the offical list to be used by the production department from season 2 onward. The same list of ship names was included in the decals for the original AMT Enterprise kit. The only ships we see on screen are Enterprise, Constellation, Exeter, Defiant, Lexington, Excalibur, Hood, and Potemkin. In the remastered episodes, we also see Intrepid in orbit over Starbase 11 during Court Martial.
@@Rocketsong which keeps reminding me the Technical Manual is pretty useless. Farragut is listed as NCC-1702, lost in the line of duty, with Farragut II NCC-1729 being its replacement. Ah well. I've lost all the secondary sources that I had about the series. Thanks for reminding me of them.
The ugliest ships in the franchise: this Farragut, the ridiculous Cerritos, Oberth class, and that Archer from the 1st season. Worst designs. In Enterprise series there was a lot of interesting ships...
This "retooling" of the TOS canon is very offputting. Whats wrong with just adhering to the established rules and ship designs? The more of this show I watch the less interested I am in watching it.
165 and Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual, listed the Farragut as a Constitution-class heavy cruiser not the ship the noob's at CBS have done and what thay are calling gorn in strange new worlds are not the gorn we see in the first star trek from the 60s thay are killing most of star trek
