@@BlackXIV Here's a little add on to your Borg saying I hope you like it... Borg: ""HI Voyager... you ordered 3 Pizza and a medium Cola?" "We will require the assimulation of one of your crew members as payment".
There are limits to how far you can push a certain hardware before you need to innovate new things to get more out of it (like upgrades, extensive modifications, or entire replacement/redesign of the system). One only had limited time to improve the ship systems (and he did it in a minute). Had he survived past this episode, its likely the ship would have been uber enhanced well beyond its current limits.
@opugilist ah yes, tds: Where ones hatred of trump is so great, it hinders their ability to reason. Does that mean there's a ods, regarding obama? Nds, for nixon? Hds for hitler? Kind of ironic, isnt it? Tds is a nice way to avoid having to make a rational argument.
"Listen not to the evidence of your eyes and ears." I'd say if it seems like he's a nazi, it's because he is a racist nazi slug-of-a-human-being, but that'd be an insult to gastropods.
"We are are the Borg. Did someone on board this vessel order a taxi? Our records indicate the call was made by a 7 of 9?" "This call was made several years ago. You are late" "Space is large. It is not our fault you gave us incorrect coordinates"
This was one of the better borg battles on Voyager....the borg were not made to look like weaklings here. Even a 29th Century Borg could not defeat a sphere with the technology aboard Voyager, he had to destroy it from within. These types of battles against the borg were something Voyager lacked through its entire run...the only other great battle in my opinion was at the end of the season 6 episode, Childs Play.
The thing is, the emitter was 29th Century FEDERATION technology. While it is possible that the Federation may have discovered things useful for fighting the Borg by then, it is not automatically more advanced than 24th-Century Borg. The Borg, as originally conceived were WAY ahead of the Federation by the time Q threw the Enterprise-D into their path. I have a similar complaint about the Vaadwaur acting like they were behind the times when dealing with Voyager's technology because of their 900-year suspended animation sleep. Nine hundred years prior, the Vaadwaur were navigating subspace corridors. Meanwhile, on Earth, Europeans don't know there are two more continents on the othe side of the Atlantic.
if a race like the borg really existed this would be the outcome rember they are made up of thousands of different alien races many of witch would not have been allies so they would have access to tec others even if the drone had been on a more advanced ship chances are he wouldn't have done much better sense his tec would come from one source the federation based on groups who share the same core ideals
Vintage Movie Channel where does this meme come from? Apple gives longer than normal software support for their products. For instance, the iPhone 5s supports iOS 12. That’s almost a six year old phone. A 2010 iMac can support high Sierra. That means Apple supported that machine for seven years and high Sierra still receives security updates and so on.
@@francisshortjr for your knowledge the Samsung s6 is still working perfectly and on the newest version, meanwhile the ipay2billionfortheapplelogoontheback 6 is out of date and slower than a snail
@@liquidmark5081 they were sued once or twice for purposely slowing down older models to make people think the phones were too outdated to run newer versions of ios (apple user here..) edit, I also have a huawei (yes I know who makes it) and there is no comparison when it comes to apple and android. sometimes my iPhone wouldn't even have one bar of wifi when the huaweii is full...
Bad Borg Bad Borg what cha gonna do Mike Lowry Drone: Don't be alarmed, we're Borgos. Marcus Drone: Take the modulation out your voice, you'll scare organic folk. The collective is wondering if we could borrow some brown sugar?
1:46 Borg be like: 'Nice try, bitches. When we say resistance is futile, we fucking mean it!' And yes, I know One kicked their asses anyway, but still...
If the Borg hails, why open a channel? You always know they say "We are the Borg, resistance is futile". When encountering the Borg, always fire first, ask later.
Standard procedure of a borg vessel. Attempt an easy victory by stating intentions, confirm threat. Assume battle forfeit until resistance. Prove futility. #borgwins
He beams over to the Borg and they try and stop him. He simply tells them they will fail and guides the Borg ship into a pulsar and it crushes the ship but he survives by erecting a force field around him while Voyager retrieves him only to not allow the doctor to save him from his injuries. He states, I'm an accident and should not have been created and that voyager is in danger as long as he is alive because the Borg know he exist.
which is total bs as his technology could make voyager the most powerful ship in the galaxy but that would be too op for the show so the killed him off.
Frosch Reiniger He let himself die so the Borg would not pursue Voyager and the crew. He was basically like a homing beacon for them. What's more, he came to be from future technology, so if the Borg got ahold of him and assimilated that advanced technology, they'd become a more powerful and unstoppable force than ever before.
People say this is "ripped off" from the TNG episodes "The Child" and "I Borg". There are similarities, but I think this episode is far superior to both. Sure, TNG was a better show overall, but this is one of Voyager's finest episodes: Everything is superb: story, script, performances, costume, set design, special effects. It's like a mini movie.
@@myssmeow001 Depends, should a society have the means to reproduce said technology and understand it, it would be super helpful, but should they not? It will do more harm, to a point that a religion might even center around said technology, or they might base all their resources around protecting it, similar to how a nation might protect a single individual who without them they will fall into chaos, or a "holy relic" which they use to determine the future. Worst case scenario is if they gain the technology that just so happens to do everything for them, including self replication, and let said technology do everything for them while they relax in comfort, losing any drive to improve, eventually going into a state of evolutionary regression, losing natural muscle mass, bone density, thought capacity, to a point that they might as well be single cell organism, being fed by machines. Best case scenario, the technology is capable of leaping a civilization into a space age but still requiring them to do things themselves (example, no AI or automatic devices can be produced from said technology), and due to the nature of said technology, possibly a "miracle material", their bodies go into a state of forced evolution, improving the body and mind.
Just by plugging himself into a console he could only enhance the software, to enhance further would require physically refitting the systems in question.
It's not like he's ACTUALLY a borg plucked from the 29th century, it's merely learned from what little 29th century tech the emitter had, and extrapolated improvements to the existing borg "DNA" And janeway had years to design and plan how to defeat borg, he had a few seconds to jack in (R2D2 Style lol) and make an on the fly improvement. Janeway should have said "How would YOU defeat them" rather than merely saying "give me bigger lazer beamz pew pew"
"They're hailing us!" "Open a channel" *da-dum* *da-du-du-du-dum* Never gonna' give you up! Never gonna' let you down! Never gonna run around and desert you!
A borg called Hugh, a borg called 7, a borg called One. I'd imagine a writers' meeting like this: "We're going to do something surprising." "A new alien with new forehead wrinkles?" "No, a borg that has some reference to individualism."
+coldfusionwaffles - I didn't care much for it either, Except for the amusing fact that Seven was his *father* And that The Future drone had a total of *three* parents. I wonder how the security guard felt about all this? He wasn't in the rest of the episode.
People seem to ignore this episode when VOY again encounters the Borg in the future. While accurate the Borg were able to invert the phaser beam quickly here (a bit conveniently fast, even for the Borg), the crew did have time before engaging the Tactical Cube in Unimatrix zero to preven this problem from happening again (and also the ship got tactical updates from Starfleet via Pathfinder in Season 6 a few episodes before Unimatrix Zero).
I like how in Voyager they never need a shipyard or supplies to repair or improve the ship. They just press a button. This reaches its ultimate point in Endgame when they do massive upgrades in like 3 days with nothing but what they have on board. The writers completely lost track of the "We're a lost vessel with very few resources" early on in the series.
If memory serves the vessel was designed to go deespace and be able to gather resources and process them on-board and they often used their advanced tech to trade up in resources. If they had to explain this every time it happened it would be annoying. And they had a lot of those episodes.
@@RELLIKPIR I don’t recall that ever being mentioned. They agonize over being short on resources but then they have an unlimited amount of photon torpedoes, shuttles, etc.
@@WUZLE replicator kinda cheating bro. There is a reason it was often a point of contention in negotiations due to the ability to produce weapons and such
@@RELLIKPIR Yeah, but going by Voyager, no Starfleet ship should ever need a shipyard or supplies. They can just do everything themselves. And that just doesn't match up with what we see in other series OR what they say at the beginning of the series. Why even mention that they are low on things when they can just magically make more of everything themselves?
There are a handful of episodes where maintenance that would be routine with access to a Starbase have to be done another way. In Nightingale Voyager actually landed on a planet to remove and service the warp coils because somehow that was easier than doing it in orbit.
"There is a borg vessel. We are being hailed". Yea.. sure. It's like getting the same spam call over and over again. And they still pick up the phone although they already know its the same old spam.
To be honest he was made with nanoprobes from the current time line mixed with technology from the past that was developed using technology from the future. Actually his most advanced technology was made in the 90's. :D
Yes, but to be fair, we don't know the mobile emitter was made by Starling in the way you describe or if he had one replicated from the Aeon timeship he had in his possession directly. Its unlikely that Starling could make a mobile emitter like that. He had emitters in his office, which were probably a mixture of late 20th and 29th century technology his company made which would at some point reach the market. But the mobile emitter he gave the Doctor was likely replicated by the Aeon timeship directly... which would probably have highly advanced 29th century technology Federation technology with some aspects of temporal tech (which SF used in almost every technology in that time). So the nanoprobes would have extrapolated from the advanced hardware and programming in the emitter to produce a highly versatile and more advanced version of a Borg drone than even the Borg themselves could do. Unless the nanoprobes also used adaptive algorithms to do automated R&D to extrapolate how technology could evolve over the centuries... and if they did that, then it would be a possible look at what 29th century Borg would be like (but not an exact match because its an extrapolation).
+bg20132014 I love that scene. "We are the BORG..." "My technology is *superior*, break off your attack..." Later on as ONE is taking the sphere into the region of space to crush the BORG it seems they reach out with one final request/plea since they cannot physically stop him, "Terminate your interface" or in English "STOP!!! PLEASE!!!"
HELL to the NAW! Voyager utterly pussified the Borf. With TNG they were THE unstoppable enemy that actually had the firepower the destroy the federation outright. Something no other previous enemy had. The Borg now talk and make nice. Pathetic.
Nanoprobes work wonders very quickly... but One had limited time here to enhance the systems... about a minute or so. I'm sure the crew tried to expand on this after this episode.
@@deksroning125 No, I meant if the character had stayed. But this is impossible otherwise Voyager would have become out of balance with Borg technologies of another century. Of course, it was limited, not only by the time but also by the technological features of Voyager itself.
Funny how the ship's systems can be manipulated simply by driving two little leads straight into the face of a control panel (somehow without breaking it).
Even with the exposure to 29th century technology from the Doctor's emitter, the nanoprobes are still 24th century and are interacting with 24th century technology... expecting to get 29th century results would be like loading Windows 7 onto an old Atari i suspect. also, i presume future Janeway researched and chose technology to bring that she thought could be compatible with Voyager's systems.
The nanoprobes would have upgraded too, to the 29th century technology. Or atleast closer. If the nanoprobes were not upgradable then the borg would also be using the nano probes from the start of their "civilization".
By the end of voyager it was more like "we are the borg, oops sorry wrong vessel please accept our apologies for the inconvenience of having to stop and destroy another few thousand drones."
The voyager technology was later used to enhance star fleet when the borg almost destroyed the alpha quadrant in the books. Mostly torpedo upgrades, and amour enchantments
It's amazing how a Borg drone with -29th century technology- can't enhance Voyager's defensive/offensive systems... but the 25th century Admiral Kathryn Janeway was able to use -25th century technology- to not only enhance Voyager, but to severely cripple the entire collective..... in a single episode (the finale).
One had only access to the software for a short amount of time. Janeway thought about enhancing the hardware for a long time and had way more time to deploy it. Thats like trying to make an old computer faster by installing an updated operating system vs installing whole new parts ;)
The point of a Borg ship, or part of what made them terrifying was that no one part of their ship was a particular system. It was laden with potential redundancy with any part of it becoming any other part it needed. Maybe the scout ships were different or they changed their design after encountering the Federation.
The Borg ships have always had specialized systems but each system is diffused across the ship so in theory attacking any single point of the ship is useless because every inch of the ship can take over for the inches next to it. However no matter what some convergence must occur. We see this phenomenon in best of both worlds when nodes are damaged to slow the ship down. I kind of think that with enough study or inside help the "pressure points" of the ship could be found attacking them could damage wider sections of the ship how ever this is likely not a feasible strategy as the Borg will likely adapt to the weapons used before a deep enough hole can be made to do this.
@@Jason_Wilhelm I interpreted it as a kind of transition time, where destroyed resources are bypassed for the redundancy and a new redundancy is made while the resource is reconstituted. Some systems may have required a longer transition time which allowed for the ability to pick your shot. But a lack of a specific shoot here spot like a Death Star is what made the Cube so formidable.
It's crazy how this guy has appeared in multiple episodes of star trek past TNG and this was the most saddening episode to see him sacrifice himself in.
@@fernandocastano999 no im talking about the actor of One he did the German Commander in that one Voyager episode and appeared again way earlier in some episode of TNG and appeared as a background actor in DS9 as a yellow shirt
I truly HATE to nitpick someone who was so generous as to upload this, but the sphere in question was actually from the 24th century -- 2375ish or so at a guess.
MAJOR ERROR that the producers of Voyager made by failing to add the Borg drone "One" character to the series on a permanent basis. J. Paul Boehmer was awesome in the part.
Yea, I agree. What does Janeway hope to accomplish in that? What, does she expect a "hello, just dropping by. Thought you might want to come chill with us. Or at least take a tea break from your long trip home."
I gave up trying to figure out that... I just assume the script looks like a madlib sheet and they roll special technobabble dice to fill in the blanks.
