Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Vs Star Wars Jedi: Survivor 

I'm still unsure about story but for me Jedi Survivor was superior in quite literally everything. It really felt Respawn has listened to many criticisms (other than the fps drops & bugs) & wants and really try to outdo themselves.

I always felt Cal's personality being milder and his lacking some confidence made sense storywise in FO. After all, Cal has essentially been alone in hiding dealing with trauma, always looking over his shoulder, and keeping his head down to avoid capture for 5 years. He seems like a deer caught in headlights when he's first taken aboard the Mantis. So it was nice in the first game to see him slowly open up and be more vulnerable around the others as he began dealing with the PTSD and guilt Order 66 caused. You see his personality slowly develop and after 5 years of being a Jedi Knight out in the field, his personality starts to shine through at the beginning of and during Survivor.

The death of rayvis made me so sad man. I can’t explain how much it struck me. He was a difficult boss for me and I wanted to beat him so bad but then the boss battle ends and his dialogue begins and he’s killed. It’s just so sad

I will say, when Bode was beating the shit out of Cal and the screen goes black and then says "Embrace the dark side," that was one of the coolest moments in any video game I've ever seen (I don't play many singleplayer games)

The only problem i have with survivor is how quickly Cal gets over his wounds. Slashed across the chest by a lightsaber? Fine within minutes. Shot by a blaster in the shoulder by Bode? Never mentioned.

Survivor is to Fallen Order as Tears of the Kingdom is to Breath of the Wild. Its a stellar sequel that builds on the mechanics of the original and adds mechanics of its own and makes everything a good time

Great comparison. Jedi Fallen Order is incredible but Jedi: Survivor just scaled it up in just about every way.

The Story of Fallen Order and Survivor are actually very easy to compare to A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. The first one has a relatively simple plot with some memorable if simple characters, very well structured and to the point, much like Ep.4 Survivor on the other hand is more focused on character than it is on plot, the most memorable parts are the emotions and reactions rather than the events themselves, just like Ep.5

Best part of the game. Fast travel. I don’t have to traverse 5 miles of enemy’s and cliffs to go find one version of a poncho.

The problem I have with Survivor's planets compared to Fallen Order is that it just feels like the entire story is bouncing back and forth from Koboh to it's moon whereas in Fallen Order, you're travelling from planet to planet across the galaxy. I don't know why they couldn't just make each of Koboh's distinct areas different planets - Koboh is the outpost and Raiders' base, High Republic stuff on another planet, swamp on another planet, etc. Then it would have felt more varied. To me it was a bit boring, even if the planet itself is diverse.

My favorite thing was that you kept some of the skill upgrades from the last game like the ground dash and other ones like the deflect while running.

Rayvis has to be one of the most respectable antagonists ever, so much so that I actually felt sad when he died.

Survivors villains felt pretty lackluster, especially Dagan. I did like Rayvis but its criminal we didnt kill him with the giant array laser you see a little before his fight. Like it literally obliterates whatever goes inside, perfect to destroy a Gendaii.

Best video you've made in a long time, I love it. Keep it up man!

I’m glad you can’t customise the mantis in survivor. It makes sense Cal would change his hair and clothes. It makes sense he would use new parts on his lightsaber and bd1, but it isn’t really believable that he would change the colour of the mantis.

Ultimately I do think the games are comparable (each better at certain things), and I would encourage people to play them in order. You don't have to, they can be played as stand alone, but I believe you'll enjoy the experience more.

Love the longer format, found it really entertaining and enjoyed hearing your perspective!

The Fallen Order has more planets and a better story. Survivor's worlds are sort of orangey, whereas Fallen Order has more diversity. Survivor's main antagonist was not that interesting. Suddenly doing away with Dagan Gera also left a vacuum of a sort in the narrative and the whole High Republic story didn't feel that important, more like red herring. On the other hand, characterization, gameplay, visuals are better in Survivor.

Very well thought out video. It was great. Thanks for putting in the time

Id love to see them scale 3 or 4 planets equally in size to have the best of both worlds when it comes to how many planets we can visit, and how much time we spend on those planets. I dont think its probable, but i think it would be super neat to have a infamous like morality system, with skill trees for both dark, and light side abilities. Maybe we could keep the same stances from survivor, but rather instead of stances, add combat styles. Idk how that would work but it seems like a decent idea. I would also like to see more human based enemies with more variaties. Im not the biggest fan of fighting creatures. Id like to be able to fight some mini bosses that wield lightsabers that can respawn when meditating.

I like the story and villains in Fallen Order better. I think Survivor is better in most other ways, although there are too many jumping puzzles. The open world exploration and NPC interactions/missions are a nice addition.

I agree that Survivor has the better story but just by a little and almost everything else is a big improvement. The ONLY thing I think I would say Fallen Order did well is the variety in planets

I can’t believe you gave the planets point to survivor, when I saw that as a category I assumed it was put on the list purely because fallen order needed more points to make it closer. Firstly, you forgot the Haxian Brood base thing so Fallen Order’s numbers are that much better. Secondly, not all planets are created equally. Survivor may have 6 explorable planets, but only 2 of them really feel like fleshed out planets while Coruscant, the shattered moon, and the imperial base (forget the name) feel like smaller half-worlds, and Tanalorr is just a hallway to a boss arena with literally nothing else to do. Fallen Order has at least 3 fleshed out planets (maybe 4 but I can’t decide if Bogano would be a half-world) which are all very visually distinct, unlike the desert planet and the arid planet of survivor. Tbf there’s some decent visual variety on Koboh itself, but I just wish they would’ve put less time into making Koboh massive and varied to make other interesting locations instead. Fallen order also had way better placement of the planets throughout the story, because you got see quite a bit of each planet, and just as one was starting to overstay it’s welcome you go to a new planet and stop going to the old one. I don’t think you go to any planet more than twice (maybe Bogano 3 times?). Survivor is just about one planet really with some other supporting locations, and it gets really disappointing to go back to Koboh every other level when there’s a whole galaxy of cool planets to explore. You go to Koboh 5 separate times and sometimes for multiple consecutive missions before leaving. Also on a side note I personally thought Coruscant was a missed opportunity cause I initially thought there was no way they made all those assets for the planet that looked so cool just for the tutorial level. I was almost certain I’d go back for the story and possibly end the game there because it’s such an important location. But then the game just started focusing on a planet that initially felt like a pitstop for the kind of story I was hoping for. I’m not mad at the story we got because I certainly enjoyed it, but it probably could’ve been cooler if it had more to do with the empire and involved more unique, fleshed out planets imo.

It would be nice to get a Jedi Fallen Order deluxe version, with more clothing options and the Fast travel option included.

Rayvis was my favorite villain in JS. I really thought he was thought out well- and had a code which was awesome

JS is just the superior game in my opinion. So much more to do and a greater story. Not to say JFO is lackluster though, it’s amazing. I love both so much

Wow. Great video seriously. Good job

Bro I can’t take the background footage seriously with the moustache and mullet you put on Cal 💀

This is the best video I’ve seen from you!

Yes, the super safe life where they'd be alone on a planet where she had no-one but Dad, would eventually watch him die an then be completely alone. What a lovely future that would have been for Kata. Even after Cal kills her father she's pretty cool with it because that future was abysmal.

Nice and impartial video! you have metioned lots of fair views that I'm not able to

For me personally: Fallen Order - - Performance (I’ve had a couple glitches here and there on Survivor, even after all the patches, kinda obvs to have it here) - Story (maybe I’m just a simple guy but I liked Fallen Orders story more. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Survivors story, but if I wanted to replay any of these for just the story alone, it’d be Fallen Order) - Planets (I think I liked the fact that each planet was a complete different biome and, despite the problems mapping around Zeffo, I just liked exploring these planets more. If Survivor had more planets, maybe something Lush or Snowy, just to contrast with the other planets, then maybe I’d give this point to Survivor) Survivor - - Characters (No brainer really. Really enjoyed each of the Mantis Crew this game, everyone just had that bit more of depth added to them and each just even more likeable as before. Then you’ve got the side characters of Skoova, Turgle, Ashe, Caij, the high republic droid, the chiss dude, each one of them and more are just so interesting and I’m always excited to interact with them to find out more about them. Only issue for me is I wish we explore more of the villains in this game. The politician at the start, maybe cos he was marketed a lot, I thought he’d be of more importance but🤷🏼‍♂️ Feel like Dagan also could’ve been explored more other than having an unhealthy obsession. Kinda wish we didn’t have to kill Rayvis and just leave him free and have him maybe ally us in the future, but gotta respect his culture. Bode I feel is the best of the villains. And we still learn more of him even after the boss battle so that’s kinda cool too.) - Gameplay (Also a no brainer, altho, maybe it’s an unpopular opinion, but I do miss the tombs. Those puzzles were challenging and kinda fun. The High Republic vaults don’t really live up to that for me. But one thing that really sold me on Survivor having this point, is some of the traversal skills. ESPECIALLY, Merrins gadget thing that allows you to travel through the green barriers. Man was that act on Jedha with the giant droid so much fun to do! Genuinely my favourite part of the game. And the high republic gadget was fun to use, the animals were fun to travel with, and ofc the combat is phenomenal, my favourite being the dual wield.) - Progression (Yeah I like both, but Survivor improves on what Fallen Order had) - Customisation (Again, no brainer here, being able to customise practically everything is a very good feature! Just a shame we couldn’t upgrade the Stinger Mantis aswell. Strange decision to remove that tbh lol) Overall - Fallen Order 3-4 Survivor Very close matchup! Excited to see how the third game will compare to this! (hopefully an improvement on all fronts, but that might be difficult in some sections considering how good they are now)

Is Survivor better than Fallen Order? Yes, almost in every aspect. Does that mean you should skip Fallen Order and head straight to Survivor? Absolutely not, they both are amazing games, the best we got from the EA exclusive decade, and my personal favorites of all Star Wars games.

Fallen order. The story is better and makes more sense within the context of the time during which it's set.

Still have nightmares from getting lost on Zeffo and don’t get me started on Dathomir man that place was hell

On the story my opinion is that they tell two parts of the same story and so it's hard to actually pick them against each other since they are the same whole.

Feels good to have a youtuber who thinks exactly like I do.

I liked both games. I got survivor with the purchase of a new Ryzen cpu and I bought fallen order for $12. I never played fallen order when it came out but I figured it was worth a try at $12. This approach allowed survivor to bake in the oven a bit more to iron out the bugs. Once I completed fallen order, survivor had received a few patches and now was ready to enjoy. I completed the game and I found that both games compliment each other. I hope the next game is just as good as the first two.

> "She's basically Riva.. " > "...but done right. My mistake, carry on.

I like the ending of fallen order more than survivor running away from Vader was the greatest experience of my life

22:48 truer words have never been spoken. in survivor I’ve died so many times because I rely on the dodge/evade but Cal just doesn’t react at all. It’s why I died to Spawn of Oggdo so many times.

It may sound wired but it's not a fair comparison as Survivor is built on top of Fallen Order. And with that being said, you expect of course the sequel to be better but my experience with Survivor although it was very fun and more immersive , Fallen Order was smoother in gameplay, almost bug free, and though not as big as Survivor, it was deeper, darker. In conclusion I would say, judging both of them as stand alone games, they are the same overall as an experience, a cool experience of course.

Star wars: Survivor is damn near a perfect sequel/Game

As a game I say survivor wins hands down, but as a story I think fallen order just edges it put, for me I don't think survivor kicks into high gear until right before the final fight with Dagen. Meanwhile fallen order is giving it all as soon as the 2nd sister shows up

Jedi Fallen Order was a fantastic game, but Jedi Survivor did absolutely everything better. I played on PS5 and had no issues other than random crashes every once in a while. But this is nothing new for games on day 1-2. Especially with 10 hour sessions. So I'm not holding that against it. If they can do to the 3rd game like the 2nd game did to the first game, then we'll probably get the greatest Star Wars game ever made. Beating Kotor and the likes. Either way, fantastic additions to the Star Wars universe.

1:10 That's the most Imperial looking Imperial/ISB Officer I've ever seen. With that mullet, mustache, and the American accent, there's no way Imperial _Intelligence_ will ever suspect a thing.

Great video, i really enjoyed your opinions, i never finished fallen but was wondering if I should jump into survivor or finish fallen order

Very good video!

This is gonna be a good one

I just finished the story yesterday. I was late to the game because it was crashing on me on release, and I only just checked if it got better. It did, and I love the game. It feels like it's a game from Star Wars fans for Star Wars fans. Looking forward to see more like it.

At least for me with the introduction of Fast Travel in Survivor I can never go back to Fallen Order

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but in the legends cannon didn’t the Jedi of the old republic go for a mix of the dark and the light side of the force. They strived for a balance right? So I’m more ways than one Cal would be more of a Jedi than some of the recent ones right?

"no recency bias" *gives all the points to survivor purely by quantity*

The first Jedi game will always be special to me because it was the first game ever that I got day 1, and I have all the figures, the posters, and was building the LEGO set as I watched this, however, I had a absolute blast with Survivor, and it was a great improvement. But due to emotional biased, the first one will always be my favorite.

For me Jedi Survivor upped the gameplay massively, but Fallen Order's story is much more solid.

Survivor has no performance issues on PS5 now

regarding the mob beeing after you ;) it would have been nice to see some evidence/benchmark comparison of the performance imo

In terms of performance. I just completed Fallen order last month and I’m playing survivor now so I didn’t have the launch glitches with survivor. However like I said I just played fallen order last month and i found it to be way more glitchier than survivor

One point where fallen order wins is planets. They are much more planet and more world variety in fallen order

I was wondering if anyone knows where ozzys videos are from before the Felicia update cus I can't find any before that time

Egh, I disagree on the 'struggling with the Darkside' being an improvement on Cal. It's done to death in Star Wars and happens so bloody often that it's a wonder the Jedi Order lasted 5 minutes, much less thousands of years. Also, if they want Cal going completely over the edge to the Darkside for a while to be a thing in the next game, then I don't see a convincing way for them to do it that doesn't involve killing Merrin. Which will suck.

It was nice to see the Devs address customisation, but ultimately it felt like there was just too much shit. I found that one outfit I was ok with and kinda just ignored it after that.

Fallen Order wins on the planets on it's not even close because in Survivor literally 90% of the entire game is spent on Koboh and it's just constantly running places you've already been over and over and over.

Is it me. Or does Dagan remind you as an elf from high fantasy games. Kashyyk was my favorite fallen order planet

I wish the frame rate was more stable because that’s literally my biggest problem

Whenever I hear Dagans name I can’t help but think about the angry beavers

I got survivor about a week after it came out on Xbox. Absolutely no problems with performance.

good news performance wise i played through it on a 1050ti andhada solid 30 to 40 frames the whole time except for the opening cutscene with all the companies that made it and such

Are you by any chance going to make a video about Star Wars: Outlaws?

the only problem i have is that i have to upgrade to a 3060 ti to have 60 + fps im with a 1650 4 gb finished the game on jedi grand master with 30 - 50 fps and that the game is 128 GB i cant have many other games if i want to play it unlike fallen order only taking 55 GB both games are amazing

Where are you man, we miss you 😢

I honestly am tied on which one is better even now like it’s so close I think in terms of story I’d go with fallen order for sure but survivor takes the cake in terms of gameplay etc it’s a tough one but either way both are some of if not the best Star Wars games made which is amazing

the first one was okay.. solid. Jedi Survivor is really good. Same broken game problems of every game released anymore it seems. Was better to wait a year after release to play it. His ability to "shatter" as Revan and Mace and access both dark and light, makes him so powerful yet fun for gameplay, creates many problems if we are to accept it as canon included in the first six movies. And the only lore following way to play the game he has to wield a purple lightsaber. Because he definitely isn't a guardian or counselor.

I’ve a PS5 & 6600 XT is this game worth it getting on console or PC.

I love survivor’s mechanics much more and will never miss spending hours on zeffo’s crappy map, but I consider the two equals in terms of storytelling. I really liked Fallen Order and there’s just something about it that hits different.

The direction they hinted at for the next game could make cal a re adapted version of star killer. Fallen order, i thought cal was interesting but not my favorite. Survivor made me realize how great of a character he is and could be.

The best characters in survivor were the side characters especially in the Haxion Brood story line. (If you know you know).

You could have added a category on enemies.

The Mandalorian S3 video coming soon?

I would love to coat my tactical jacket with beskar like I did with my light saber hilt and gun

He gave Cal a mullet💀

I’m literally just bought survivor so I cannot judge anything… just a spectator until I actually get into the new one. But I will say I loved fallen order

I love survivor, but man that thing crashes on me so many times. I had to beat the double rancors twice bc it crashed the first time

I cant take any of the Survivor footage seriously with the mullet and the Handlebar Mustache lmao

I love jedi survivor and it is 100% the better game but idk man fallen order just hits different.

I’m eagerly waiting for Jedi 3, (wall of text incoming) Really loved the first one, it’s characters, story, and just everything about it felt like a genuine adventure, gow and that game had a similar mysticism and unique atmosphere to them that made them so immersive, and I just loved the fact that the Star Wars aspects was done so well for it too Survivor introduced so many awesome concepts and features, multiple lightsaber stances, way bigger open world like planets, non linear side content that feels rich but also very quantitative, graphics and textures were all great, and for some reason I’m having a brain fart and can’t remember the rest of the things that they pushed forward with, but I love how they genuinely tried something new and are pushing the games DNA forward and not just rehashing it However I have a huge problem with this game, and that’s that mainly the gameplay itself is very lackluster. Now some may disagree, and that’s fine but let me say this, I’m a huge combat and gameplay guy, don’t want to be full of myself but I’d say I’m farely competent when it comes to understanding and using great combat systems, and Jedi survivor has insane POTENTIAL but it’s just not being used great. The idea of a Jedi, with 5 interlocked lightsaber styles, unique force abilites to weave into basic combat, a blaster on top of that, with cool unique gadgets and a droid, as well as tapping into the dark side a bit has so much gameplay potential that I feel what we got instead were ridgid, sloppy animations and no animation canceling for all stances, very limited abilites and we can’t use all stances together, enemy design that by themselves is good, but when paired with even one other enemy it’s just not really enjoyable and quite honestly unfair at times, and your force powers feel like they can only be used by themselves with one or two genuinely creative combos, where as it would’ve been cool if they were more integrated and weaved into base combat fluidly instead of some clunky controls that put a stake in your flow. Overall I think the combat needs to try to stray away a bit from its “souls like” nature, I think that aspect should be reserved mainly for enemy design, but player agency and control should lean more towards fluid, fast paced and combo based combat mechanics such as god of war or something like that, and maybe taking a page from battlefront 2, as I think the light saber animations, fluidity, quick pacing, and visual flare would be so good for this game I’ve always liked the idea of mixing multiple genres into one gameplay system, as if done properly could be amazing but I feel like they did it poorly here. I’d just like to know that I fan enjoy everything the game has to offer, while knowing that the combat itself is also superb and let’s me feel like I’m in control and it’s super creative and fluid with a plethora of abilites and options to choose from That’s why I’m excited for Jedi 3, as good as stig asmussen was, I think the gameplay was a detriment to the series overall, so hopefully with new leadership that changes and most of the aspects of this series is a lot stronger (note: I also would love for them to expand on the galaxy aspect of this series, letting us visit more planets, some bigger than others but I’m not an idiot and I understand that’s a Tremendous ask as somethjng like that would take an abundance of time, budget, and technical issues that might not even be worth the trouble, I guess I just have this itch of piloting a space ship and visiting these iconic planets on a whim) Also I have to say, originally I thought survivors story was pretty bad, but while I still go this day think FO’s is better, I’ve grown to really appreciate survivors story, I think I would have liked it better if they handled certain characters and events better such as dagan gera, bodes betrayal, the overall pacing should’ve been a lot longer, and I wish we visited more diverse planets because they all kinda felt the same and it felt like I kept constantly revisiting kobo and jedha. I’m a sucker for cool concepts and themes, especially betrayal, old history meeting new history, struggling between light and dark etc, so it’s a shame that the end result was decent but underwhelming. I genuinely think they set up some very interesting things for the third game, raising a daughter of your former freind turned backstabber, either having to protect or abandon tanalor, dealing with ceres death and the death of his crew, his flirting with the dark side that occasionally sways his judgement, and the fact that darth vader and the empire are breathing down his neck more than ever, and that’s not including any curveball they could throw at us like how they did with the high republic (which I thought was an awesome concept, a warrior from the past, fighting so hard for a better future only to see that future be a repetition of the same kind of war he just fought to bring peace, but I think they fumbled that a little but oh well I guess)

fallen order run smooth as butter, has a much more focused story and level design its my favourite out of the two and somehow survivor's combat feels even clunkier than fallen order

Ah yes, my favorite jedi. Calcastis 2:27 with subtitles

I feel like I care a lot more about the story in the first game. With survivor, I had a hard time getting myself to care that much about tannalor.

I didn't like Bode from the get go, so I wasn't surprised he was a baddie. I wished for more Dagan as well.

Being better in story than Disney lately is a pretty low bar to clear... that said, very good story although moments in the writing were a little on the nose with messaging for me. The "I found myself" sentiment for example is something I roll my eyes at every time hear it so hearing merrin say it after how hard it was telegraphed just made me groan

The story of the first game was definitely better than the new one, however I think they really improved on the gameplay aspect for Jedi: Survivor. Cal and Merrin’s relationship was handled perfectly and Bode’s betrayal wasn’t very unexpected! I think the two main villains in Darth Scrote and Dagan were criminally underused, and just showed up in the story at random times. Despite some grips with the gameplay/customization of the first game and the story of the second, they are both some of my favorite video games ever! Great video, lots of great points!

I bought the game for the sick gameplay and fell in love and stayed for the story

Two games telling a story. Just play both, both are legendary

Well I personally think that Jedi survivor just has to much customisation. I mean it’s kinda wierd if u can literally change cals hole look and it just feels not right. Maybe a bit ist good but they just did to much … but no doubt still both are really gods games

Just beat survivor today. Gameplay Survivor. Though prefer fallen order for the variety of levels and story beats. (to be fair i'm a bit bias because of the jedi knight series. Though only played jedi knight 2 and academy.) So I loved what jedi survivor did for the gameplay and customization. I beat jedi survivor over the course of black friday till beginning of march. On and off playing. I felt more inclined to jedi fallen order though i hate the slow traversing/acrobatics of the game. Like i get force jump at the end of game come on!!! Each are equal in own regard. Though my bias might come in on what i wanted survivor to be. the final boss was meh took me my second try i played either first time hardest difficulty and or one below. That and the open world is nice felt like just restricted the game at the same time. Felt as if i had more memorable moments on fallen order. hey thats just me though.

3 months ago 😮

na man. character wise (especially villain wise) fallen order take the cake. in survivor alot of the villains actions didnt make sense. Degan Gera was freed by cal and instead of thanking him he attacks him as soon as he finds out hes a jedi? wheres the reason in that? also bode not wanting to have other people find shelter at Tanalorr cause he wanted his daughter to be safe is dumb. sure she would be safe but with nobody to make friends with her own age would have stunted her growth. in short most of the villains reasoning was half baked and made it feel a little lazy. the only solid villain was Rayvis.

In conclusion, Jedi Survivor is the Empire Strikes Back of the inevitable trilogy

Although I liked Fallen Order, I felt this was some sort of "obvious" game. When I was 14, one day I played both Bloodborne and the Force Unleashed on a row... And after a while I had this crazy idea of having a soulsborne game about a rougue Jedi fighting against the empire. I even created my very own control scheme (which I'm currently using in Survivor) and it played pretty much the same. I even had the idea of including a force time-shift mechanic, similar to the one used by Spiderman 2099 in the Edge of Time video-game. It was obvious that all of this mechanics could work on a force user SW game, and Fallen Order's story wasn't that interesting to me. On the other hand, although Survivor is more of the same, everything felt darker and way bigger on scale. I loved the idea of bringing a High Republic Jedi to the imperial era (like somo sort Captain America). It felt better than another story of another Jedi that survived the order 66 and now is keeping a low life in order to survive.