In this video, we're looking at Jedi Survivor to see how it builds on Jedi Fallen Order, going from a good game to a great game. intro: 0:00 main section: 0:53 story spoilers: 9:17 outro: 15:37 Follow me on Patreon: patreon.com/flandrew
Jedi Survivor is an amazing game, it's such a freaking shame about the performance issues, because otherwise the discussion of this game would've been something truly special.
@@jamariojackson4289he story/plot is mid af. The dagen story line is pointless and under written. they downgraded the skills for the double blade, single blade, and combat in general to put in multiple stances that aren’t even balanced. Force powers aren’t as effective or in some cases useless on a large percentage of the enemy types. graphics aren’t even that much better than fallen order. Idk how anyone could ever say 8 or even worse, a 9.. The world is getting accustomed to mediocrity.
Quick correction on the use of tanalorr. Cal was never planning on rebuilding the Jedi order there or training younglings. The planet is meant to be a base for the hidden path, the network that cere and Cordova worked with to hide and transport those who were persecuted by the empire. Cal at this point seems to have given up on the idea on rebuilding the Jedi in full as evidenced by his relationship with Merrin, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him train Kata as a padawan in the third game just based on Cere’s dialogue in the game’s last cutscene.
It immediately became my absolute favorite Star Wars game ever. Technical issues aside, the story, gameplay, the mechanics, ridiculously lush and content-filled open world….. I absolutely adore it. People may say their favorite thing in a Star Wars game is to fight, kill, save the Galaxy. And that’s fine, but to me…. Populating a bar full of characters, side stories, mini games and taking care of a little roof garden and fish tank is P E A K Star Wars ❤️
Why are you putting the technical issues aside? I really enjoyed it and am planning on playing through both games again very soon, but I don't think it's possible to rate it higher than 7/10 due to the issues. Just because they fix the issues in the future doesn't excuse them from happening in the first place.
@@befruso if you hadn’t picked up the game at launch and played it next year when there are no technical issues, then how would you rate it? When rating a game, you should separate it into different categories. Like me for instance, I played it on Xbox and started playing it in the Tuesday after launch. I only had one crash and didn’t noticed the frame rate issues. So my rating wouldn’t account for the performance issues because I didn’t see any. I know about them, but didn’t experience any.
I love how and why Cal taps into dark side. Writers did a good job, because during his rage scene on secret base I could completely understand his frustration and anger. They manage to connect feeling to player even with how players use "ultimate" ability - you want to win, and you need more power to this, so you use dark side. And this power is tempting, just like Cere said.
I like how Cal obviously matured a whole lot from the first game. He’s a lot less forgiving in the game. He isn’t a kid anymore and is just starting to murder people (especially in the later part of the game) and I love the customization
Jedi Survivor is the definition of a perfect sequel. It introduces new likable characters, improves upon old characters and gets the main character's story arc further. I also LOVE how they implemented dark side attributes into the combat and dialogue.
I hope that one is even more progressive and woke to piss off conservatives. Like they should have another strong female character besides merin and she and merin can do awesome woke stuff. Make it as girl power as heck. And have some trans characters and other minorities in it and make sure it’s well written and respectful of cals character ark. Have him also in it obviously but as a gentleman and keep him not sexist. He isn’t sexist in the games so that’s good. But they should do more to anger conservatives.
@@irregular_banana because progression and diversity and inclusion are good things. Simple. And because who doesn’t love triggering anti human/animal (humans are animals). rights nazis.
I don't care about politics, in either direction. Everyone is entitled to their own system. I just want games that are built with a vision, over changing it one way or the other.
I think he will have one last confrontation with Vader where bd-1 dies and it is a very hard battle for Vader where cere and jaro tapal are guiding cal and almost kills Vader but Vader winning and cal either dies or runs away and goes into hiding accepting he has lost to the empire
I don't think Cal is going to end up training Jedi on Tanalor. All he has left of Jedi teachings at the end of the game is three Jedi books and his time as a padawan, and he is already abandoning Jedi dogma with his relationship with Merrin. Not to mention that Merrin would likely be training recruits in the ways of the Nightsisters. I think the next game ends with Cal and Merrin forming a new Force religion, based on a mixture of Jedi and Nightsister teachings, and them eventually spreading into Wild Space, so as not to brush up against canon.
Such a great fantastic woke idea, creativity is a leftist or at least progressive thing because conservatism is about keeping the same boring stuff while progression leads to creative fun stuff.
Legends Luke had a wife, an eventual son, and even tussled with using the dark side, and he was Grandmaster of his own Jedi Order for decades. The whole point of what he was doing was to abandon the archaic and outdated Jedi dogma to both improve upon the important parts and create his own rules. I mean, his Jedi Battlemaster not only had one of the most insightful philosophies of the Force I’ve probably seen in any media, he carries a blaster for Pete’s sake.
Jedi Survivor really is the "Arkham City" to Fallen Order's "Arkham Asylum." I have 50 hours in the game. It really is a great game, with a compelling story, much improved mechanics, and a masterful aesthetic. Also, I played it on the PS5 and didn't see any performance issues. And this isn't a plug - I will be buying a Series X soon.
I guess there's many possibilities for how Cals journey might progress in a third (and final?) game: a) it ends tragically with him dying or sacrificing his life for the greater cause of the rebellion while the game possibly weaves into a New Hope as did Rogue One, b) he actually turns to the dark side which would be a really dark and twisted ending to his story but could still be amazing if told the right way, c) he goes into exile / gray Jedi path after being almost turned to the dark side, or d) for this same reason, he leaves it all behind and starts a new life with Merrin far away from it all. That last one I guess could be the most poetic because it builds upon him accepting that the Jedi are gone and him putting an end to the constant fighting while following Greez' advice to settle down and finding a new home after all that he's done - not in the sense that he's giving up but that he acknowledges that he has done "enough" and that one man can't change the whole galaxy without diminishing that as an individual he can still do good on a smaller and everyday scale.
The game is amazing now after the patches, definitely a must play if you like sw and fallen order, if the game wasn't that buggy on release I'm sure it would've received some awards at the game awards for sure
If you're an old school star wars fan (with a console), grab this title. It's nice not to feel violated or ripped off while experiencing a new star wars title. Honestly, I forgot how this felt 😂
The darth Vader boss fight in survivor was awesome. When I was fighting him I could feel the weight of his strikes and I think they got his fighting style down perfectly
100% agree, i just finished it yesterday absolutely perfect sequel i really hope the third game gives us that bode/starkiller stance, i miss that, its just so cool
I was just thinking what if Jedi survivors next sequel takes place after the fall of the empire that way they don’t have to do this whole trying to connect it with the original trilogy. That way it can branch out into other things without holding back.
There’s so many reasons why this wouldn’t work, 1 is cals age is 23 in this game, and by the time he gets to the end of return of the jedi he won’t be too old I guess but it still will make the narrative feel off. 2 is that they are setting the whole kata and Merrin thing up and tanalor, so I don’t know why they would completely skip over tanalor and not show the struggles of raising kata and the development into Merrins relationship.
@@BiggieJ4224 for me the one thing I worry about is if they did follow up before the first movie of the original trilogy is if it will have the same issue of the ending of force unleashed. Which is why I think the next one should come after the original trilogy.
@@pleasecallmedaviddjs1298 they could still go later in the story, just not too far like after the fall of the empire, a perfect balance would be before the Death Stars destruction to the peak of return of the Jedi as a timeframe, would make cals journey feel more impactful if he was more involved in the Star Wars universe and characters
@@BiggieJ4224 as long as they don’t try to do something like kill him off like they did with Galen Marek then I won’t have a problem with when the next game comes out
As much as I want a third game what would the story be he made it to that planet he is far from the Empire reach he can finally start his life so how could a third game work
Survivor took everything I loved about Fallen Order and made it better...unfortunately that also came with the side effect of carrying over some of the same performance issues the first game suffered at launch, but, you know, there's that.
Game is still a 10/10, not saying it’s a perfect game by any means (as no piece of media will ever be truly perfect), but it’s still a fun game and improves on everything the last game did in everyday. The performance issues are few and far between for me, so I’m still giving it a 10/10 for pure ambition. I’m super hyped to see what they do with the third and final game.
I think the combat in this game is perfect. They give you so much options so that the combat is always fresh. I have played thought the story twice now and after I put the game down, I still find myself wanted to go back because the combat is so damn fun and testing builds is really fun aswell.
I’m assuming the next games ending is going to have cal completely leave the galaxy for a no name planet to live. Or he’s going to have a noble sacrifice of a death.
Played on the Xbox series s and game crashed only twice however other then that, I love it so damn much. The customization, story the betrayal and death was something I didn't expect. The exploring too and how cal becomes more powerful but then even embraces the dark side if only for a little. Beautiful
Hope the 3rd game adopts more of the fluidity of a game like Sekira. Tho that likely means making jumping puzzles obsolete so I could see why they wouldn't go for something like that. Just would like jumping to be an option for evading attacks to set up counters. Also would like to see the grappling hook be apart of combat at well as some sneak mechanics
Survivor feels like the designers decided to phone this one in. A major lack of other planets you can visit, a lack of a story (it exists, but it’s easily overlooked)
The gameplay is also different in that fallen order emphasized more parry and precision evade, find your opening and make your attack. Survivor emphasizes speed and dashing and kindof spamming your combos as quickly as you can before you get stun locked or overwhelmed lol
I love this game so much, I couldn’t keep the smile off of my face for most of it, my only gripe so far is that I would like to cycle through all the Saber stances with the left and right d pad instead of picking 2 (maybe set favourite to left, and cycle with right)I’d be more inclined to use all of them if I didn’t have to run back and forth, also I can see all the stuff he fights with on his belt so I should be able to use all of it
You can sort of smell it off of Jedi Survivor the moment you're past the one-hour mark. There's so much love in this game, it kind of changes the feel overall. Kind of a beautiful thing, especially within the AAA scene these days. :)
I’m loving this recent trend of sequels building upon the best parts of their predecessor, instead of going in new directions nobody asked for. Tears of the Kingdom, Jedi Survivor, and to a lesser degree Elden Ring are all examples of this, and I’m hoping this trend continues to bring much needed innovation back to gaming.
Elden Ring still makes me sad, it felt like they tried to lean too hard into the “dark souls is hard” thing and crossed too far into bs (as in input reading). Sekiro did the same thing (a good example being Genichiro, he charges a bow shot whenever you try to heal) but in Sekiro it allows you to defend yourself if you act quickly, also the later areas in elden ring borderline require over 40 vigor for anyone who doesn’t play the game consistently. I think they had a great idea, but the enemies were overtuned in terms of damage and input reads/seemingly rng combo extensions, while they made the player overtuned as well, but more so by making weapon arts ridiculously strong in some cases
I never trusted Bode so his betrayal was expected from me. I mostly blamed Disney villian syndrome where they always seem to pick someone who is helpful and friendly to be the villainous betrayer. Thankfully Bode has more complex motivations than that, but I think they were trying to do the whole "Odin is in the Kitchen" thing GoW did.
Damn kinda opposite for me I got spoiled for it but as the story went on I kinda just stopped believing it was true and thought it was maybe a lie or someone took control of him, that’s what I thought when dagan made is eyes white or sum
I did feel like he was bound to be a traitor, considering he was a new addition. But his reveal still caught me off guard, he truly did bide his time and the revelation that he was a Jedi and Imp spy. They also really made you hate him with how he killed Cordova, played a major role in killing Cere and Cal's crew in the opening sequence, and damn near killed Merrin.
@@lefay7637Yeahh, to add on that, I still felt sympathy for him, despite how much I despised his very existence the moment he betrayed us. It was fun finding the force echoes he hid after betraying us.
Even on PC I didn't face too many technical issues. Main concerns were sudden FPS drops and issues with keeping a stable Framerate on Coruscant and Koboh (and even that was acceptable so it ran on rather 40 than 60 FPS) but that was it.
Sounds awesome! Which I stopped playing the first game because I found the lightsaber combat clumsy and just could not get it to work for me... But this sounds like I must play it one day as it has everything I wa looking fir in the first game!
I didn't see Bodes betrayal coming. I loved having him alongside me because he's Charles from RDR2 who always had your back in that game and up to his betrayal Bode had your back too.
I really want to play jedi survivor. I loved fallen order when I played it last year. But, considering the performance issues, I'm gonna wait for a few patches first.
@@Hello-yx2ux its not fine bro peformance mode looks like 720p and most of koboh (the main planet) is 40fps at absolute best meaning you can go quality mode and still not see any frame difference. The closed areas are fine
I’m playing on ps5, beat the game on may 6, just barely missed Star Wars day. I’ve only had 2 big glitches, 1 being during rayvis’s death, i couldn’t take it seriously because he was bouncing around the entire screen at light speed. And 2 during new game plus found a glitch where if you leave the workbench and immediately take damage, you leave your lightsaber on the bench. I recorded me using that one and it was hilarious, he was just deflecting blaster bolts and blocking with air. All around one of my favourite games of all time, and I’ve played a lot of story games
For one, I love that they kept a lot of the pickups from the last game as your initial kit. Access to the double sabers, zip lines, and powers early were a really good call gameplay wise. Performance seems really bad on PC and that’s disappointing. I wish studios would stop pushing out these half baked ports with massive performance issues.
On PC I had zero issues, and the patches have made it really stable, only original issue I had was being unable to stream it on discord as it would crash discord, seems to not even do that anymore.
Played it through on my Xbox and had a total of 3 lockups where I had to go back and restart. Two of them was when there was a ton of things happening on the screen at the same time and I believe it over loaded the ability of the Xbox to keep up. Third one was when I got my character some place in the game by jumping around where he’s not suppose to be able to get to. That being said I explored all the planets and got from 93.3 to 100% on all of them which I think is pretty good and only having three crashes. As far as the game goes I loved it. It did for me any way exactly what the developers said they were going to do. They took some things out that most peeps didn’t like and added a lot more of what we did. Great game and best stat wars game I believe I’ve played.
I love this game. I just finished it a week ago and 100% every planet. Now I can’t wait to continue my NG+. The only problem I have with it is the technical issues. Major screen tearing and constant texture pop-in on Koboh specifically, on ps5. And I play on quality mode. If they were able to fix those issues, it would be a masterpiece.
The mention of the many jedi wandering around before the start of the original trilogy got me thinking that it would've been a spectacular idea to never tie off all those loose ends but leave them hanging for one last game or series of games where either you're darth Vader hunting down and destroying these threats to the empire or have it be like a horror type game where you're just trying to survive and escape as Vader is hot on your trail and could show up around any corner. The horror scenario would probably work best as a series of episodes in my opinion where Vader has nailed down your location and it's just a matter of time until he finds you or you escape into obscurity. I personally really like the idea of a Vader horror game even though I'd love to play as Vader, too.
This game is incredible. I know it had some issues at first but please don’t let that stop you from trying it because it is truly lne of the ebst games period I have ever played and I’m not even a big star wars fan. Amazing story and gameplay. Just incredible.
I think it was so sad that the boxed in fallen order only had cosmetics ... it would have been nice to see a bigger gameplay aspect to give you a reason to explore.
I think the third game will have cal struggle against the dark side, it would be a great ray to expand the move set even more with being able to choose between dark and light force abilities
Performance issues on PC have basically been resolved, I was playing on a 7900XT and a 7700X, locked 60 (because it's capped) on maximum possible settings One of the best SW video games, hands down.
I feel so weird because I play on PC (RTX-3060), and I have had barely any performance issues. A couple of frame-rate drops on Jedha (The Arriving on Jedha Hyperspace cutscene is the only consistent one), but for the most part I've had a weirdly smooth time of it. I know lots of other people have had issues, but I've barely had any issues, and I don't know what I've done right that everyone else has done wrong, or if I've just been the luckiest bastard on the planet.
Now I want the Game even more😂, sad that it is not possible for me as i have no wifi, and even the disc version makes it impossible as i would need to download 150gb😢. I really loved the 1st installment, besides the fact that there was no fast travel. And as always great video👍
Other than than the perfomance issues on PC Survivor did what every sequel should. I myself only had 1 clipping glitch and some frame slow in cities like Courscant
I was going to hold off watching this until I finished the game, but right now the game won't let me play it. I've been trying for over an hour and even when I can get the game to load in, it plays at less than 1 FPS, actions are delayed by 4-8 seconds, and nothing I do seems to fix it. My current objective is "Confront Bode on Tanalorr" so it's not like I couldn't figure out everything left, but it still really sucks that I can't get it and finish it on Sunday of all days.
It annoys me the ammount of people that complain that Cere was able to hold her own in her duel with Vader. She is a jedi master, and this idea of Vader as an unstoppable force was only in the EU until fallen order, yeah, he was powerful, but Luke with like a week or two's worth of training was able to get a few hits in during Empire, yes, Vader is powerful, but he isn't unstoppable, it would have been weird if Cal almost beat him, but not Cere. Also, the villains were the weakest pat of this game for me, Rayvis stopped being intimidating to me after he threw a temper-tantrum in his first scene. Bode is sympathetic but not very intimidating, and Dagan actually killed me a few time during his boss fights because I lost my focus by laughing at some of his clichè dialogue, and that time he called Cal green for no reason. And it's just a shame because Trilla was the best part of fallen order, balancing menace and sympathy well with logical motivations, and an intellegance that always kept Cal on his toes.
The main thing to consider about Vader here is also that it takes place alongside the Obi Wan series, meaning Jedha probably takes place right after he got beaten by Obi Wan too so he was weakened.
I only got to play up to getting the droid outta the basement but it was made fun and felt like it was a worthy sequel not just more fallen order, the game still feels like fallen order but has many new features and you start out actually feeling like you came from where you left off in the first game( while most games full reset you) but there were still new abilities to give the player progression. Only problem is the holo map still kinda sucks (and obviously the performance, the only reason I haven’t played more is because my Xbox is at home while my PC is with me at college)
holo map is my biggest complaint, it's refreshing to not have tons of objective markers or lines guiding me. Exploration feels way better because of that, but when I'm clearing out some objectives post game it'd be nice to pull it up instantly and for the different discovered pathways to be better defined.
And yet, here I am, 4 months later. Still not finished it. I just enjoyed Fallen Order so much more. Not that Survivor is bad. It really isn’t! Jedi Survivor is mechanically brilliant and builds on the first in so many ways that, by rights, I should have binged it. I actually really enjoyed the gameplay loop too. The combat was a joy! I have two theories, although I accept it might be both… The first is that perhaps Fallen Order was just such a refreshing formula for a Star Wars game that I felt more inspired to keep playing it. You know when a franchise tries something new and it just feels great? There’s something so great about that feeling. Like when you love a new film or game so much that you’d genuinely pay money to have your mind wiped so you can relive that experience. That was Fallen Order for me. I loved it. Maybe it just gave me unrealistic expectations for the second game and I put it on a pedestal. The other theory I have is that I don’t think the story clicked with me. Usually I can look past story in a game if the mechanics are there but I think it just didn’t pique my interest like the first. It wasn’t even that long ago I was playing it and I’ve already kind of forgotten some of the key story beats. I think got to somewhere around Jedha after bringing something back for Cordova (?). At about this point, I got distracted by a completely unrelated game I’d already finished in the past (Yakuza 7). I’ve done this before when two new games come out within a few weeks of each other. However, for me to go back to a game I’d already finished is quite unusual. It kind of confirmed that Survivor didn’t get its hooks in me the way the first one did. It probably doesn’t help that I have zero investment in the lore surrounding the High Republic. I felt like putting a character in as the villain who’d been kept in stasis for years was a bit of a cliché. It just felt a bit random. Cynically, I have no doubt that Disney “encouraged” EA/Respawn to tie the game into that era. I think they want the High Republic to be more mainstream over the next few years. For example, there’s that Acolyte series coming out soon, which I guess they need to start generating a bit of interest for. My cynicism aside, I AM planning to go back and start reading around the High Republic a little because I am a sucker for Star Wars at the end of the day despite all its flaws. Perhaps that will inspire me to finish off Survivor. TL;DR Survivor was objectively great but I subjectively didn’t love it like I should’ve. I suspect story is to blame but may also have been my unfairly high expectations. Will give another shot soon (once done with BG3)
@@OneEyedCloud01 It is the same attack from JFO where he Switches from double bladed to the Single blade. There is also a very cool attack that many people dont know about in JFO. Holding "Y" and pressing "A".
@@SX41799 I don’t mean the delayed strike when switching stances in the first game, I mean the flip attack that’s meant to do the same as the original dash on single blade “to close the distance”. It’s further along the skill tree and does what the dash used to do in JFO. It’s not as cool though and doesn’t have the optional flip at the end
I played on pc using a keypad. This game is better than the first. It took me about 60 hrs to complete and during all that time I never, not once, experienced lag and I only encountered one bug (bad guy's cape was stretched across the room). It's a magnificent game. Spectacularly beautiful and characters I really cared about. It's intuitive, relatively easy to navigate. I just basically started exploring and let the game develop naturally. Top 10 all time gaming experiences (minus a sadistic developer on a couple of the force tears minigames). It breaks my heart that so many people are hating on it because it's everything they promised and more. That being said, you need a good computer. But you always need a good computer to play these types of games.
I loved the Unleashed games and I loved Jedi Fallen Order but yeah this one is the best of the lot. I played it on PC. I have not suffered from frame stutters surprisingly despite not having a super high end graphics card. I have however suffered from the game randomly crashing at different times. one of which was right after I defeated the traitor. because of that crash i had to do that fight all over again. before the crash i did it on the first try. the crash caused me to have to do the fight 5 times more, those 5 times i would've liked to be without. Other than that, super happy with the game, the story is phenomenal. I did not see the twist coming and it was heartbreaking when it did happen. I have finished the story, now I am gonna finish up all the side stuff that there is to enjoy! my PC specs if anyone cares Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 ACE CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-core RAM: 32 GB (2x16GB) @ 3200MHz GPU: Asus RX 6750 XT Dual OC 12GB
Gaming developers should look at this game whenever they make a sequel, it is by no means perfect but it is a really good and solid game. As the video points out (not watching all cause i am only a couple of hours in) aspects from fallen order naturally carry over into the next game. Cant wait to see more of Cals story for thr next couple of games, i rexkon they could pump out at least 4.
I had to erase the game from my system and start fresh due to it crashing at one point every time, but I got through it. I agree, the story was a HUGE upgrade from "Fallen Order" and loved the new saber styles. However, I found the puzzles frustrating. Now that I've beaten the story, the puzzles aren't an issue and I can keep getting stronger as I play again.
