Jerec's actor really has a strong presence here. A pity most modern gamers will never know these kinds of stories. Also, his actor Christopher Neame played Marc Anthony once. Makes it all the more fitting that he's trying to be Emperor after Palpatine died.
I always think of Christopher Neame as Skagra, from the unfinished Doctor Who story, Shada. Being unfinished and a Tom Baker/Douglas Adams story had the benefit of making it notorious and constantly revisited for home video releases. Neame has probably been paid ten fold what he received for the job initially after royalties and new voice performances are factored in.
Neame was also one of actors associated with Hammer Horror. He played few roles in some of their gothic horror movies. He was cool in "Dracula A. D. 1972".
@@wedgeantilles4712 I was SO HOPING Jason Court was going to be asked to reprise the character of Kyle Katarn in Rogue One; since, I believed that Jan Ors could have been Jyn Erso in disguise, under an assumed name. I would have loved Kyle's story to be officially canon, and see him at Luke Skywalker's Jedi Academy. It would have been great to have heard his voice and lines of dialogue from this video game in SW: Rebels, when Ezra was walking through the World Between Worlds.
Acting, costumes, light, camera work, script writing/story telling are still part of the art, that can't be replaced by technical progress. I don't even say, that writing really good script requires a human, that read a huge amount of texts, concepts, who has rational, logical and still creative mind. There are not so many writers, who really can be called intelligent. Ignoring those simple facts often make movies suck hard. And not only them. Technical progress make it easy for "idiots" (not literally) to make an input into human's world culture, but it's not always leads to their personal progress. In short words, I wanna say: no, it's not so easy to create even today by fans on the same level (except lightsabers, chromakey, maybe costumes, some 3D effects).
Thing is these cutscenes were made by people at Lucasfilm who were true creatives back then. Remember this was made off of a video-game budget and it was all about making money but coming up with original stories for Star Wars games. If you really look at Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors Disney ripped off alot of elements for those specific characters, for Cassian Andor and Jyn Erso in Rogue One.
Boc is truly a villain we need im Star Wars cinema, that laugh and his facial expressions give away the fact that he is truly unhinged. We need a lunatic of a villain on screen in Star Wars
I so wanted Kyle Katarn (and The Crow) to be a part of Rogue One. He and Jyn (aka, Jan Ors?) would have been magic. I hope he can at least be part of Rebels.
snek Funny, someone else recently said that Rogue One's Cassian was the avatar for Katarn. In either case, I don't see how: Neither was a former Imperial Military cadet, nor defected, nor owned their own starship, nor had a hidden Jedi/Force connection, nor later on became a member of Luke's New Jedi Order. Kanan will, in all likelihood, be dead before the Episode IV time period, and Cassian IS already gone. So, there really aren't ANY direct elements of Kyle Katarn within either of the two characters. With that thinking, the only character who seems, in any way, to correlate to Kyle Katarn is Agent Kallus: He is a former loyal to The Empire, realized the error of his ways, defected and became a Rebel Spy, then officially joined The Rebellion about 2 years prior to The Battle of Yavin. Now, if we've had Our Katarn right under our noses for 3 Seasons, in the form of Kallus, that would be a (kind of) stroke of genius...though, it still wouldn't make sense to change the character's origins, if the intent all along WAS to introduce Kyle Katarn in to the official SW Canon. They had no issue bringing Thrawn, pretty much as is, in to the fold w/out renaming/retconning his type. Also, others have said that Jyn Erso is the Canon version of Jan Ors...then why alter the name and origin? I actually expected to find out that one of the aliases Jyn lived under was "Jan Ors"...but, no cigar. I get the feeling Disney/Lucasfilm just doesn't want an historically-Canonically-interesting, impactful character, who really flourished during the OT era and later in the Sequel Trilogy era, decidedly affecting the past and their long-term plans overall. We'll see...
There are patches w. updated graphics for worlds and characters, which makes it very enjoyable to these days too. Graphics is similar to "Dark Forces III" / Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast.
Amp661 I’d get where you’d be coming from if you said Dark Empire, the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Nest, Legacy of the Force and such are the true ST. But Dark Forces 2? A game where literally no familiar element from the films appear at all? That just sounds crazy
@@Alex-ji6ob well it plays after episode 6 and dark forces the first game it said kyle stole the plans of the death star And jedi outcast and jedi academy kinda connect
@@harrambou9468 eh, in game it makes sense. Yun is the first dark Jedi you fight, and Kyle spares him. Sacrificing himself to give Kyle a fighting chance is his moment of redemption.
@@user-ox3mj2sr8n I'm sorry, but that's completely consistent with even pre-prequel depictions of the Dark Side. It isn't just pulling from a different part of the Force, falling to the dark side warps everything about a person. It's corruptive, and freshly fallen darksiders have been depicted killing prior friends for the most minor of failures, or even just to sever attachments to their old lives. Always have been, as far back as draft notes for the original trilogy and Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Cheesy? Yes, but it's fucking Star Wars, and if you expected anything else I don't know what to tell you.
@@user-ox3mj2sr8n she was captured. She was a hostage being used to assert power over him. She was a connection to his past, take your pick. Palpatine disposed of even the family members he had nothing against prior to becoming a Sith. Luke, upon being nearly corrupted during Dark Empire, felt an urge to strike down Han for simply disagreeing with him. Dark Siders maintaining attachments as we see them are actually a pretty new idea, and largely an invention of Dave Filoni.
@@user-ox3mj2sr8n I know it's weird, but Star Wars is a weird place. If you're connected to the space magic, things that would be totally normal for other people (like being angry when killing someone involved in killing your dad) will twist you into a Space Hitler.
just imagine what kind of power Jerec could have unleashed if he'd been able to gain the full power of the Valley! He'd be a God reshaping the Star Wars Galaxy as he saw fit!
Kyle Katarn meditated in the Valley later and he became ridiculously, Chuck Norris level powerful. He was a Battlemaster (official master of all lightsaber styles) and casually used light side and dark side powers like it didn't matter to his alignment
I had forgotten how good this was made! Sure brings back good memories as the PC and gaming were rolling forward toward its current state. Thanks for posting this!
Absolutely loved this game! I really hope they make a film between Episode 6 and 7 around Kyle Katarn, Jan Ors, and Mara Jade; they so could! Just get the actors from this game :D
A stormtrooper once tried to shoot Kyle with a blaster rifle. But the projectiles were too scared to leave the weapon. After an intense struggle. The blaster rifle backfired and killed the stormtrooper in the process
They should of made this into a movie itself, as I really enjoyed the game and the story was good. I also like the 'Dark' element it has throughout as it gives atmosphere, depth towards the film and makes it more real.
I wouldn't say that "multicultural feminism" ruined Star Wars, but rather, multi-demographic appeal. Star Wars (and nerd/geek culture in general, especially sci-fi) was a niche demographic, a demographic that desired intellect and allegory in their entertainment -- or at the very least, epic world building with deep and meaningful characters. Then came along the prequel trilogy, which tried to follow the original's worst aspect: make a movie to sell toys. Enter kid appeal and narm. This is actually what killed Star Wars for me; and this is coming from the guy who read most of the EU novels (BoY-10 to BoY+24 timeline), TotJ + DE comics, and played Jedi Knight and X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter series. Then an even worse aspect came along: superhero movies. What was formally geek culture was put on the big screen, loaded with beautiful Hollywood actors and CGI, and now your favorite action scenes (complete with fights, chases, explosions, and repeat) could be seen live-action. Throw in some obligatory romance (for the female 16-49 demographic) and narm/slapstick humor (for the kid appeal), and you have the typical superhero movie. And worst of all, it worked -- Avengers is a billion-dollar box-office hit. So cue the Hollywood formula: Avengers worked, so let's keep making every single known IP into the Avengers, even if it's completely unrelated. The last Star Trek movie (which I've only "seen" via SciFiDebris review) was basically Avengers in space, because that's exactly what the studio wanted and demanded, and Star Wars is no exception. The general public want a "feel good movie" where they can watch a CG light and sound show for 2 hours -- especially if there's a nostalgia element to it (but the flood of remakes are a different beast altogether) -- and that's what sells. Combine all those aspects, and you have a pure formula for a pure product. That's my reasoning of the "it's popular, now it sucks" mentality: art is made via a creator's vision and gains meaning via a reader's understanding/interpretation, but when a creative process follows a formula to gain mass demographic appeal or cash grab, it becomes a mass-marked product, along with the blandness and staleness that follows.
Alex Greaney Empire vs. Rebels. Clear good guy vs. bad guy, underdog nobody in rags rising to topple the emperor. It’s very simplistic, and not particularly challenging for the mind to grasp. Granted, that’s not a bad thing, it doesn’t necessarily need to be, but the prequels did have a more complex plot line where good and evil weren’t so easily delineated. There were heroes and villains on both sides, which is a bit more realistic, and it had subtle yet nuanced political commentary warning us of centralizing too much power in any one authority figure. Plus, you had this really intricate plot of how Palpatine created Anakin with his Master, all the way up to killing Padme to sustain Anakin long enough for him to transform into Vader. He’s a political mastermind and an expert swordsman and a master of the Force. And he’s so satisfying to watch. Anakin too, in spite of the forced romance, has a pretty deep character. From his point of view, it really looks like the Jedi are no better than the Sith, and that’s partly because in some ways they had become too corrupt and partly because Palpatine was only selectively showing him the negative aspects of the old order and ignoring the negatives of his own side and the positives of the Jedi. There’s just a lot more to dissect and analyze with the prequels than with the originals.
Except there are 5 games in the series. You've forgotten Dark Forces (the original game) and Mysteries of the Sith (the standalone expansion of Jedi Knight).
I still cringe when the Crow goes down....poor ship. Good old 'Katarn Loophole' arm the injured bad guy who you want to kill knowing he can't resist the temptation nd when you do kill him..it was self defense.
Wish they would bring Kyle Katarn back + this story. I don't care if it's not canon anymore that Kyle didn't get the Death Star plans, Dark Forces II's storyline is far more important to his character than those bloody plans. However, if they did want to make that part of his story semi-canon, then they could just somehow make him one of the Rebel survivors from Rogue One, or one of the captives from Tantive IV.
Hell, they could have just cut him getting the plans and had his crippling of the Dark Trooper project be the reason he's a legend to begin with, as DTs are in the Disneycanon. That said, I wouldn't trust Disney to touch this character (or Mara Jade) with a ten foot pole.
The timeline of this fan made favorite movie takes place one year after episode VI before the time of the mandalorian. This is canon to me in Star Wars.
You are close. First off it's the cutscenes of an actual game that is canon in the Legends timeline, but yeah it takes place in 5 ABY, one year after RotJ. Mandalorian takes place in 9 ABY, 4 years after this but in the Canon timeline.
Jedi Outcast was superior. But I enjoyed this one as well because you had to use your head a bit to find secret areas and select the force powers you needed
In fairness you lose out on several of the cutscenes in the Dark Side path, like there's simply no Dark alternative to them. Jan gets executed and we see Kyle manage to not crash the Moldy Crow, and then we don't really get anything else until the Emperor Katarn ending in place of the Kyle frees the spirits one on the light path.
Thank you so much dark forces I & II are my favorite pc games from the 90's i remenber been fall in love with the beautiful asian girl of the game the actress angela harry ❤ really a game to be remenbered great gameplay and so many hours of ecxitment playing kyle katarn in sw universe.
man i remember when this was high tech gaming. back then this intro was insane hehehe, still awesome to this day. kyle katarn needs to come back into canon
I remember seeing the previews of this in some gaming magazine back in the day and seeing the WIP shot of 8t88's shuttle sitting on the landing pad and the sad confirmation that Boba Fett would not be appearing in the game despite rumors to the contrary.
First Kyle unwittingly lets the Valley of the Jedi be known to Jerec. Then he unwittingly leads Desann into the Valley of the Jedi. Then one of his apprentices, Rosh, gets captured in Byss, and his other apprentice Jaden nearly falls to the Dark Side. This guy has the shittiest luck in the SW universe.
Part of me wonders if it was shitty luck, or him just making excuses to continue being a badass... Kyle to Luke probably "Yeah, you might've gotten your father to return to the light, but let's face it, you wouldn't last five minutes fighting me in a 1v1... On second thought, you keep doing your Jedi bullshit in fucking bathrobes, I'm gonna go back to being a one man army against anything the remnant can throw at me"
@@3dpyromaniac560 Luke would crush Kyle in a 1v1. Kyle had problems defeating some Dark Jedi Inquisitor, Luke was holding back against Vader and in Dark Empire, even defeated a younger, rejuvenated Emperor.
The sequel to this game is right up your alley then. Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith, a standalone expansion pack (from back when that was what it was called) to this game that picks up a few years later. You start off as Kyle with Mara Jade as your apprentice before Kyle leaves on a secret mission a few levels in and the main character role swaps to Mara for the rest of the game. Sadly no FMV cutscenes like this game, it was all done in-game, but there you have it. A non-Disney Star Wars entry starring both Kyle Katarn and Mara Jade together.
It makes since why they didn't have Kyle in rogue one, they wanted a full length movie, if it was Kyle it would be 15 minutes at most, even then most of it would be him just dominating the stormtroopers because he is Kyle mother fucking Katarn
I would never let Disney put their filthy hands on Katarns legacy. I'd rather an independent filmaker {who doesnt give a shit about money and has the right mindset} to do the movie. It isn't happening, so i'm happy with this. it could be a LOT worse.
Jedi Knight was the game that made me obsessed with games and, given that I didn’t have the movies on home video, it was my primary Star Wars content for years. I replay it annually and love it in the way that you can only love a thing you spent every single day with after school when you were 7. That said all the people in these comments talking about how brilliant and high quality this story is and how it’s better than the Disney movies are hilariously sad and a perfect example of why people fucking hate Star Wars fans. Never change guys. 😂
Ok please don't judge me I'm just getting into Kyle's story. But all the cuts are just game footage from the game right? If not I'm sorry I don't know. Like the fist clip of him running to get his father disc to where he's on the ship in the med bay was just the cutsceans between game play correct? Please do correct me if I'm wrong
Correct, these are the beginning and ending cutscenes of the various levels in the games. The missing bits are the levels themselves. For example, there's an entire level of Kyle chasing 8t88 down between the two of them talking in the bar booth and Kyle blasting the arm off. Essentially the cutscenes are the "I'm at the place and need to go to the next place/do the thing" part of the story, with the gameplay covering the actual doing of the thing or going to the place before the next cutscene kicks in with "now that I'm at the place/done the thing I can continue with mission"
