Star Wars: Subjugator Class Heavy Cruiser - Ship Breakdown 

At least the ship that appeared in in the TV show wanted to stay undetected since it was still unknown for the Republic. That's the reason why they always tried to kill all survivers in the escape pods. A big support fleet would hinder that. The rest was grivious incompetence.

@@joshuasimons7883 There's a reason he's called GENERAL Grievous and not ADMIRAL Grievous.

I suppose it probably took up too much Fleet Cap for them to field it with a support fleet.

@@joshuasimons7883 Then have a small support fleet. Imagine if the thing had just a couple of destroyers or small escort carrier with it. It probably could have wiped out Anakin's attack. The thing is massive enough to support a small group like that and still be secret.

Waiting for someone to say "Tarkin Doctrine". Every bad decision in SW is the Tarkin Doctrine at work.

I like trains precedes to get run over

That’s me

The best form of transit

Bring the space Fairey Swordfishes! We got to hunt her down.

THE BISMARCK AND THE KRIEGSMARINE

@@fernandomarques5166 I mean, the Y-wing fits the bill, being rather underpowered/underarmored to the point the rebels felt it was better to leave the armored plating off the engines as it was useless and got in the way of repairs....

A tad more successful but yeah pretty much

The writers sure managed to capture the public perception of Operation Rheinübung.

Now we wait for the dreadnought variant of the Subjagator

@@sphee4149 Dear Mother of God

@Jimmie Toyne wut.... are you smoking?

To be fair, Star Wars ship classifications are whack. Apparently a Star Destroyer is larger than a Heavy Cruiser.

Star Wars starship classifications are wack, without a doubt. But a Star Destroyer CAN be a heavy cruiser, and also be larger than (other/most) Heavy Cruisers. E.g. The Imperial - Class Star Destroyer is more of a Battleship-Carrier-Assault Transport hybrid, while the Victory-class fits more along the actual Heavy Cruiser, or Battle Cruiser roll. Star Destroyer can really just reefer to a ship that eschews the classical cylindrical form of design, and takes on the primordial design to provide substantial increase in surface area, and internal volume over similar 'sized' (length) ships. Almost all capital ships in SW used cylindrical, or narrow rectangular design philosophies. Star Destroyers use the pyramidal/dagger design. (and there are exceptions to each.....) But really, a Star Destroyer is a top-tier ship-of-the-line is what it really comes down to. Or it can just be a purely psychological name and have nothing at all to do with the ship's actual capability (e.g. Gladiator - class, Aggressor - class, Interdictor - Class, and maybe others. I once tried to apply logic to Star Wars .... ( www.reddit.com/r/SciFiDesigns/comments/ezxqw4/unified_classification_guide_for_warships_star/ )

Markus Steel9-3 A exactly what this reminded me of. There seems to be a resurgence of RU-vid content based around Bismarck since Sabaton released their masterpiece

@AKUJIRULE Bismark May have been a big threat worth hunting down but she wasnt that magnificent of a battleship tbh. The British had ships with the same gun config but 20 or so years older and smaller, and better armored. The U.S. battleship built at the sane time wouldve whooped her had they gotten the chance.

@AKUJIRULE Hood was a 20 plus year old outdated battlecruiser whose engines were falling apart. Bismark was a pratically brand new battleships who, unlike POW didnt suffer from major teething issues.

@AKUJIRULE Ok buddy slow your roll. First of all I wasn't "bitching" about older ships. I respect the Hood and the Iowa and any warship that served it's country as well as they did. But the fact is hood's engine were in a state of disrepair when she fought Bismark and she still hadnt recieved the additional top armor that might have saved her despite that refit. Also I said british battleships didn't I? Hood was a battlecruisers, they arent supposed to be able to beat battleships let alone be more heavily armored then them. Without even mentioning her age. Then theres the fact that Hood was only one of what? Three BCs in service with the Royal Navy? And the only one of her class at that? She's obviously an exception, even if I wasnt refering to British battleships specifically. And theres more to armor then just the belt thickness, layout and coverage are arguably more important, and British BCs are famous for having poor armor layouts. And if the Iowa, in her old age, was sunk by a DDG or a land launched missle or something i would argue the same for her.

@AKUJIRULE Being perfectly fair here, the Bismark got insanely lucky with that first shot. In a drawn out slug match I still put my money on Bismark, but it wouldn't have just rolled over the Hood

Pudlord Tynan Well, to be fair if Sidious, Count Dooku, and Grievous weren't in charge then they wouldn't be the baddies.

@@kabob0077 Yeah you've got a point. But they weren't in charge of naming the ships. Not all of them at least.

Pudlord Tynan Um, "Munificent" means "Generous". "Recusant" means "Defiant" or "Rebellious". Not Every class name is scary...

It really does work in this case though, all their soldiers and pilots are droids so there is no need to worry about an "are we the baddies?" situation, and Sidious really just intended the CIS to be a force large enough to force the republic to militarize and to scare the senate into giving him absolute emergency powers all as part of his plot to take over the galaxy, kill the Jedi, and form the Empire. It makes perfect sense in-world for them to try and look and sound as evil as possible.

@@theknightskyisi not really, because to at least appear like a significant threat to the republic the CIS had to get the support of some Republic and independent systems. No one's going to join your side if you're obviously evil. That said, the CIS did a very good job of having a good-looking coverup for their war machine. Since their entire army was droid-based and their leader was basically just an aristocrat (since no one knew he was a sith), and they had the backing of a bunch of huge, well-funded corporations, it didn't seem evil at least on the surface.

May I introduce you to a certain Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer?

@@aethertech **

I know that I’m late to this but this video has all of the music used for the malevolence. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-A6qErPnZ4X0.html&feature=share

@@aethertech you may, and it doesnt hold a candle to the malevolence. its just a super sized ISD, same weaknesses, same strengths. the malevolence is completly unique and if used properly quite unbeatable. give it a escort and have it bombard out of capital ships range, a few shots of its ion cannons and even a SSD would be disabled. perhaps even one is enough considering how fast its shielding went down in the movies.

Careful. Daniel hates Riker.

Riker maneuver*

perhaps...

Well, it's supposed to be kept as a secret so that's why it doesn't have an escort fleet, but it's still stupid not to have it accompanied by 2-3 Munificents

Also for a ship, that can kill pretty much any capital ship by draining its power, making it useless, it focuses too strong on turbolasers and heavy canons. Swapping a few of those for point defense cannons could've changed Anakin's attack run greatly.

The creators confirmed it was inspired by the Bismarck

@@cmdrgarbage1895 "Inspired" is a nice way to say "surface level rip-off"

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That was always my thought too!

Sadly no

There are three command bridges, the tower, one on the dorsal hull behind the cannons, and a third on the forward ventral hull

Unlike Star Destroyers these bridges are actually well defend, notice the laser cannons around it?

When your bridge tower is larger than the size of an enemy Corvettes entire length I don't think it's all the much a concern...

It isnt the actually or only bridge though.

I think an Executor would be simply too large for the ion cannon to disable her in one hit.

I think Eckhart's Ladder did a starship comparison with these two, check his channel.

Nah, this is still realistic. Its basically their Yamato or Bismark. A massively overgunned ship that probably wasn't worth it, but sure was terrifying.

@@hawkticus_history_corner yeah I agree when you put it like that

Well, it was suposed to be like the Bismarck

@@KrissFliss Bismarck was supossed to have a larger escort, her sister Tirptiz, the Battlecruisers Scharnhorst and Guisenau, at least one other Hipper class vessel in addition to Prinz Eugen and at least 7 destroyers.

All escort would be disable by Ion blast too.

Bismark wasnt that powerful..she was kinda badly designed tbh. She was still a threat though, and ig ships and stuff from Sci-fi are based on perception more then reality.

jaelon meggs actually, you might be right. She was supposed to be the biggest and newest thing in the Kriegsmarine, but she actually was pretty flawed. When she fired her guns for the first time, the shockwave alone knocked out her forward radar. Her guns were also arranged in an outdated and inefficient manner. Plus, her armor scheme didn’t provide too much protection anywhere beyond her citadel. Then, there was her low endurance. Her American counterparts like USS North Carolina could’ve eaten her for breakfast. Still, her existence caused the Royal Navy to launch a a ferocious and dedicated effort to find and sink her.

@@josiahricafrente585 agreed. She was certainly something to be feared, but compared to her contemporaries and even those who came before her she wasn't exactly fearsome. And Idk how they didn't catch that before they launched her. Its the same with having the wires for some of her equipment expsoed outside of the armor.

I mean, the Bismarck DID destroy the poster ship of the royal navy, the HMS Hood, and greatly damaged the HMS Prince of Wales

Gwither26 You also have to realise that Hood was around 20 Years Old by the Denmark Strait and Prince of Wales was suffering from teething problems at the time, especially given the complex nature of her 4-Gun Turrets.

It's not weak, but its has some severe flaws, including how they used it during the CW. Aside from those flaws, it's a very powerful warship.

It's strong in the clone wars but compared to GCW and First order ships it's quite weak

@@luxwray4878 Depends on how you use it.

Lux Wray - It’s ion canon was easily enough to disable 3 Venator class star destroyers and keep going past them, with the radius large enough to hit at least half a dozen ships in close formation. And that ion blast completely disabled them, no shields and no guns, easy targets for turbolasers to tear apart. Only something very large like a super-star destroyer probably has enough redundancies to tank that shot. Anything else is dead the moment that ion blast hits.

@@luxwray4878 Not really

TO LEAD THE WAR MACHINE!

MALEVOLENCE AND THE CIS NAVY!

THE TERROR OF THE RIM!

R/unexpectedsabaton

TO RULE THE SPACE AND LEAD THE CONFEDERATION!

The donuts from episode 1 are the cis battleships which is odd because they act more like a carrier but star wars ship classes are wierd.

non of the SW battleship lassifications makes sense so

Whats really baffling is the invisible hands class is supossdly a cis dreadnought and its smaller and packs less weapon than the so called heavy crusier

Considering that anakin made the bombers go thru the balmorra run, no it wasnt careful. LMFAOO

I would name mine The Benevolence 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Tirpitz and Bismarck, okay... Graff Spee? That was a useless hunk of junk, compared to every other aircraft carrier around.

They were made with the intent of being inspired by the Bismarck actually

That kind of depends on the range of the weapon. In close combat I completely agree, but the further out you get the less that matters.

The range of this ion cannon seems impressive. They appear to have a range far above that of a Venator, which was its main adverserie. The ship also turns rather fast for its size. And lets not forget the 1000 turbo lasers, that would be able to deal with small republic fleet by itself.

wargearinternational It's impressive...IF you're in its firing arc. Stay out of that, and its range is a moot point. I'll concede on its conventional weapons, though.

@@GarlicPudding Well, the problem is that most of the time the further away you are from something, the harder it is to stay out of it's firing arc, since a 10 degree turn might not mean much at two kilometers, but at ten thousand then it's a completely different story. If you're able to exit hyperspace extremely close to the ship then you can render it moot... otherwise you'll have to spread your fleet out quite thin to ensure that it can only eliminate one ship at a time, but that itself brings problems, like your ships being unable to support eachother against whatever escort fleet is with the subjugator.

Mandator series is canon, although details about it (besides (in) famous Mandator IV) are very limited - and most of information comes from Legends

Right so if its cannon the subjugator would be the second largest vessel of the clone wars not the largest

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i_N_HDsXGr4.html

How well there this ships knowen in the CIS anyways? Their military was composed to 99.99% out of droids. So I assume someone like Greivous or Doku named the ship. Not the most noblelist of the Galaxy.

Or a Protoss carrier

@@theshambler6814 yes, i think anything terran or protoss would fit perfectly into the channel XD

Vader would fly a fighter through the front of the bridge, kill everyone, mess with the hyperdrive, activate it and step out into space and wait to be picked up while he watched it accelerate straight into the nearest large rock.

@@jlokison or straight to a nearby rebel base

Maybe they are a liability? I mean you could shield your forces using the escorts; if you want to flank it the ship suddenly loses the ability to just turn and ion your ass. Maybe the others were defender though. Or maybe the Malevolence was supposed to be like the Graf Spee

@@nahuelleandroarroyo there are places you can position a fleet around the ship so it wouldn't be affected by the ion cannon and still be effective in defending it. Having a lot of guns don't mean you can adequately cover all fields of fire, and having multiple ships defending you opens up many more avenues of attack.

leon fierce I think the issue is that in order to use its ion cannon effectively it needs to have freedom of movement and targeting which an escort fleet would hinder. At which point you might as well just use a providence.

@@chrissonofpear1384 so its charged matter, not energy

chris sonofpear1 Bigger than the FFG Executer, which i will definitely 3D print as well at a similar size around 80 cm