@@doctordoom1860 was he WRONG!! Did they not tear up the Republic and form the Empire? Krell was undoubtedly an asshole but he had some shit spot on. Dont run me that bullshit.
@@Blacklla yes, his vision proved accurate. "A new power is rising, the Jedi are going to rule this war, and the Republic will be ripped apart from the INSIDE" was 100% correct. But Krell deserved to die because he was willing to join the Galactic Empire and be a true loyalist to it.
@@MsAmber82 Dooku had a plan to defeat Sidious but he knew he couldnt do it alone. That's why he was training Ventress, but Sidious figured out his man and forced him to abandon her. Then he tried training Savage but that backfired quickly
Pong Krell's death was so ironic: he foresaw the Jedi Order's downfall so he turned to the dark side to avoid being killed off a long with the rest of the Jedi, only to be the first Jedi to be killed by the clones
+Gamer Goku agree. Funny thing is behind order 66 they thought they were justifying the orders of the republic too with the thought the Jedi were corrupt.
Jedi were corrupt because they were forced into a war plotted by an evil chancellor and part of republic poisoned by the Sith. It's not like the Jedi had the choice to deny the order's of the republic. Especially not knowing Palpatine was behind the whole war to begin with
He also knows their numbers, and he referred to Rex by his number to belittle him. He probably just said "Dogma" because it's easier in conversation and wastes less screen time.
So before anyone says this is a children's cartoon, we've got a monologue about the folly of blindly following orders, a dude talking about his plan to misuse his command to defect, a committed soldier having a major crisis of faith, and to top it all off, an accomplished officer attempting an extrajudicial execution of his traitorous General, before said general being executed anyway by the soldier with the crisis of faith. This is some HBO shit right here
smooth smoothy smoothington Darth Maul got bisected in The Phantom Menace, and there it’s not offscreen or cut off or anything, we actually see it. Now tell me does that make TPM dark?
This is why Dave Filoni should be in charge of Lucasfilm's live-action stuff too. He knows how to make Star Wars dramatic, funny, heart-warming, thought-provoking and, most of all, GOOD.
Well he is because the emperor died, Vader turns to the light side in is last few moments with Luke, then it’s happy days. All the Sith die Jedi take back almost everything
To be completely honest I believe the umbaran story arc is one of the darkest, if not the darkest in the CW series. Not only do we see an endless onslaught of clones dying, wounded being dragged and writhing in agony, disintegrations, and a leader like krell, there was also the part when the clones attacked each other. One of the most emotional moments I've ever seen in TV or movies was the look of absolute shock and horror on Rex's face when he realized he'd been killing clones. How frantic and desperate he was, when he is supposed to ALWAYS be in control. Clones are made to not fear and not break under circumstance but when he saw that he'd been killing his brothers he LOST it. And then came waxer. Seeing him dying, as he realized what he had done and how he was going out, the confusion and pain in his voice- and when he cried before he died- this is personally one of my favorite stories in all of the clone wars, simply by how it portrayed the war in a way that the other story arcs couldn't. It showed the gritty, dark side that we don't get to see very often. We were able to see the agony of the clones, without the help of the Jedi, just clones. I will remember umbara, and the 501st.
Fun fact the writers initially wanted rex to kill krell but they felt that despite the circumstances that was out of character so hence why they had dogma do it. Which I agree with them, plus a little more satisfying from dogma in my opinion.
why would executing a traitor be out of character for Rex ? he is a soldier not a cowardly Jedi, what is out of a character is him HESITATING like that...
@@Asghaad the fact that he is a Soldier... not an executioner. If Rex can bring himself to execute Krell no matter how much he deserves it, could Rex actually live with himself or even sleep at night? That's just how his character is
"I said On. Your. Knees." The grimace on Rex's face and the rage you can hear in his voice really gives that line straight goosebumps. Complete deflection of condescending manipulation.
Dogma: How ‘bout another joke Krell? Krell: No, I think we’ve had enough of your jokes. Dogma: What do you get Krell: I don’t think so. Dogma: when you cross a loyal clone with A GENERAL THAT BETRAYS HIM AND TREATS HIM LIKE TRASH? Krell: Call the Council! Dogma: I’LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU GET. YOU GET WHAT YA FUCKING DESERVE!
This story arc and this scene in particular showed how clone wars was not really for kids. Really I think the four episodes should have just been turned into a movie, far superior to the CW movie as far as subject matter and themes. This felt like a gritty Vietnam movie, and Krell's spot on predictions and madness were so memorable.
Dogma is an interesting clone with good character development He went from a soldier who aimlessly followed order no matter how bad it seemed to a clone who realized not every order is good, and should be questioned if it is wrong. It would’ve been interesting to see what happened to Dogma went after the end of this Arc.
@@pantherapardus1398 you’re probably right, and it’s very sad to see the character development of the clones growing from simply soldiers to heroes get wiped away. Order 66 was truly a double tragedy
I love how Dogma was being comforted when he said that he had to. The clones see each other as brothers and it’s only natural they care for each other as such
He doesn't want to become an agent of Dooku to further the separatist agenda. He wants to become an agent of Dooku because he has foreseen that they will win.
He deserved it alright, but it was still a surprise that one of them was able to pull the trigger. Krell clearly didn't think they would take that step. In the end, he still underestimated the clone soldiers he saw as inferior to him and that was his downfall.
@@Mario87456 As I said, part of it was that he assumed that they wouldn't and couldn't pull the trigger. It is easy to have no fear in the face of death if you don't know that death is coming.
@@emperorofinception3571 Still I can admire that as hatable as he may be he doesn’t try to beg for mercy which is something a lot of villains do in fiction.
TheMichaelb44 those people who talk at the theater are the worse! One time there was a pair of four that were drunk and talked loud as fuck in silent parts of the movie I was watching
I love how they specifically chose Pong Krell, an absolute monster of a character, to belong to the same species of one of the most lovable characters in the franchise
I also find it a little hilarious how Mike Stoklasa of RedLetterMedia argued, in his Plinkett review for “Attack of the Clones”, that Dexter’s species would not be functional with lightsabers if one of them happened to be Jedi. Yet here we are with General Krell, one of the (former) Jedi warriors most brutal and badass in combat. It is as if the creators of this show watched Mike’s video and took him up on his bet.
@@markcobuzzi826 Is Red Letter Media even relevant nowadays? Given how much Prequel-era content has made a resurgence in recent years, it would appear that the purists who wanted to go back to a time when the Original Trilogy was everything Star Wars are being ignored.
@@sambridgers9543 Well, nowadays, RedLetterMedia's reviews of The Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker seem to be channeling a lot of the same sentiments many Star Wars fans have about the latest sequel trilogy. In that regard, one can argue that Mike Stoklasa's content is still relevant. Also, while I don't agree with everything expressed in his Plinkett reviews and think the prequel movies do have other good parts (especially Revenge of the Sith), I still think some of the points in those reviews were valid and compelling. And I still find parts of those reviews to be entertaining in general, enough to occasionally revisit them for a few moments.
@@markcobuzzi826 Fair enough. My question wasn't entirely rhetorical, because I hadn't heard RLM dragged into every discussion related to the Prequels for the past couple years.
@@sambridgers9543 Those Red Letter Media reviews of the prequels are timeless. He gave very justified criticism of those movies. And he delivered it in such a hilarious, innovative way.
Yep, as someone who was closer to Krell than any other clone was willing to go by showing absolute obedience, Dogma probably felt the greatest sense of betrayal of all the clones. Kinda like what Mayday would later say in Bad Batch: "We were good soldiers...we followed orders...and for what?" When betrayal is one of the cardinal sins you could commit against a clone, forcing one to unwittingly kill their own brothers in combat when they had followed is the most heinous act of treachery imaginable. Dogma would have never lived it down if he hadn't pulled the trigger here.
Just because clones are physically the same, doesn’t mean they are mentally or spiritually the same, each clone has their own soul, personality, and everything, but most importantly, they are people, and should be treated as such
Have any of you ever really seen Disney movies? Pirates of the carabian, hunchback of Norte dame, something wicked this way comes, return to oz, any of the Marvel movies (except dead pool). Those are only a few that may not have been meant for kids
This arc was incredibly dark. Particularly the part him taking down clones left and right we rarely get to see sabers cutting down people. He seriously went the extra mile with the hand to hand combat. Especially the back breaking kill....
Yeah i felt very sad seeing Pong kill those clones. Seeing him killing good soldiers and on top of that, him enjoying every bit of it. We see Grievous kill clones all the time but Pong killing clones just hits differently for me. Im so happy he's dead, he deserves every bit of it.
I partially agree ..only to add that Krell was a cowert in nature who was leaning back whilst the attacks against the enemy took place. His slaughtering of clones after his betrail had been found out was him acting out of fear for facing trial. That shows in plain sight what a cowert and big ball of scum Krell actually was.
Most may overlook this, but the fact that Rex hesitated to execute Krell (despite having a justified reason to) pretty much implied he'd the one of few clone troopers who wouldn't obey Order 66. ..which 'Rebels' later confirmed to be the case.
@@saladspinner3200 This was an old comment. The series finale of Clone Wars hadn't aired yet at the time. That being said, one can still argue that he technically didn't obey the order. ...or at least, he never carried it out in the end.
Well after season 7 we can say he tried to obey order 66 at first so Ahsoka actually had a chance to live. Later on Rex tries to kill her before she catches him with droids
One of my favorite arcs in the show. Krell is a such a well written villain, and the Rex’s realization when they were killing the other clones was spine shivering
dont like Captain Rex yet? well how about this they say in the phantom menace that obi-wan was the first to kill a sith lord in hundreds of years well since maul came back in this very show that would make him not dead and pong krell who is an evil jedi whitch is basiclly a sith lord gets 100% killed by Captain Rex there for making Captain rex the first to kill a sith lord in centuries
Can we just take a moment and recognize Dee Bradley Baker's work? He is the sole voice actor for the clones and has a multitude of different personalities he has to portray only with his voice, and he pulls it off flawlessly.
Krell could’ve warned the Jedi council about what was to come but he chose instead to fight for himself, but think 💭 of what could’ve happened had he told them.
@JSB Justice would’ve been him having his force ability stripped by the council and then imprisoned for life or at least until Sidious began ruling as emperor and killed krell in the same way he tried to with Luke.
I agree. It's even better that Dogma, a Clone who loyal to Krell, despite all his flawed orders and even his betrayal, would ultimately be the one to finish the job.
It still blows my mind how FREAKING GOOD the Umbara Arc is, even after all these years. Everytime I rewatch Clone Wars, each viewing experience gets better and better.
Rex: On your knees. Krell: You're in a position of power now, how does it feel? Rex: I said, "ON YOUR KNEES!" Krell: Feels good doesn't it? 😂😂😂😂 I had too LMFAO
@@antoinetrauscht156 Grievous in Star Wars Legends is what they exactly described him, a Jedi killer, dude kept killing so many Jedis like it was nothing, watch the Clone Wars 2003 about him, you'll see
You know people always talk about how shows like Clone Wars and Avatar aren't kids show. But let's be real, these are the kinds of lessons that kids need to learn.
In SW:The Clone Wars,we were served a Clone trooper being gunned down,executed on camera A Jedi was executed A beloved padawan was sentenced to death and What do we get in SW:Rebels? A B-Wing with a stupid laser beam that penetrates a frigate shield thats unpenetrable
+Will M (Acclimate) lol will be worse until disney gets over that this isnt a kids show. This is suppose to be more at least teenagers and above. thats why the clone wars series should return on ADULT SWIM.
I hate that only the 501st are here, Boil would be the one who's the most bloodthirsty for krell. Cody unfortunately would've never allowed him. Rex on the other hand, takes matters into his own hands and does the right thing. props to dogma for killing the fuckface that killed my boi Waxer.
+ryhansen1 its a kid show and cartoon network did an amazing work on this its one of their longest show that aired I say that cuz it had 6 season not many of cartoon network show by long I mean its seasons
ElectroGamer2003: I also thought that. Despite that Dogma ultimately killed Krell, it was Tup who stunned Krell when they were fighting out in the forest with that carnivorous plant.
@@peterwright5358 It's somewhat Ironic that Tup who managed to stop a rogue Jedi (Krell) by stunning him would later go on to kill a "rogue" Jedi (Tiplar) in Ringo Vinda.
What always made me emotional and furious about this scene is Dogma is such a damn good clone. He does his mission and follows his orders, and to be betrayed and forced to kill your own blood just feels so gut wrenching.
How poetic. No trial where he can weasel away and earn Palpatine or Dooku's favor, not Separatist Forces coming to liberate him, and killed by the beings he hated the most.
I just "discovered" this show around a month ago, my only regret... Why didn't I watch it before?! I almost can't believe the level of quality this series have, let alone the writing (which in my humblest opinion surpasses the prequels and new saga, as a matter of fact now that I think about it, I've learned to appreciate more the prequels now.) The Umbara arc in particular was so raw and mature. What a shitfest for the mighty 501st and what a terrible price to pay for another victory in the battlefield, certainly Pong Krell has been one of the best villians of the series... Perhaps even the franchise. Better late than never I guess, Im so glad I finally gave it a chance, specially since the 6th season is so close!!!
Started watching on the first month of 2022, and i have to say I'm also impressed by the show; it's far better than all Star Wars movies combined together.
@@BLCKKNIGHT92 1st half of the 1st season is hard to watch as an adult, tho. Because I think the producers aimed for a young audience. But from the second half on it gets better and better. Only thing they didnt get right was to make Grievous too funny / not scarry enough. In the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon he was very overpowered and could kill many Jedi (thats why he has all the lightsabers). In this animated series he cant kill anyone.
Krell betrayed because he has a slight premonition about order 66 and palpatines plans. He probably didn’t know what exactly, but in his head the republic was doomed. As Krell said "A new power is rising. I have foreseen it, the Jedi will lose this war." Krell already knew and decided to betray so he wouldn't die. He decided to betray so he could become a Sith and gain power, as he said he serves his own side. He was willing to destroy and kill for power and to become a Sith apprentice. A coward and shameful Jedi
I don't think Krell knew exactly what would happen. He specifically stated wanting to be Dooku's apprentice, but if he knew about Palpatine then he would have well known the Rule of Two would never allow his survival. It's far more likely Krell merely saw a vision of the Republic being torn apart into the Empire, and the Jedi destroyed as a result of a plot by Sith. Krell wasn't the only one who had suspicions about the end of the war, but he ultimately knew no more about the Grand Plan than anyone else in the Order.
This scene is an irremediable overthrow of events. A revelation that alters the course of things. Pong Krell is right along the whole line, concerning the Clone Wars, the Republic and the Jedi Order. All is the fault of the Jedi Council and Senate of the Republic, and they still refuse see and recognize. And by their own fault, the inevitable gonna happen, unfortunately, as she predicted. To believe that the Dark Side said maybe the truth.
+David Castagnet Granted though it's worth mentioning that Pong Krell was entirely wrong about Dooku.He might have seen the powerful Sith Lord that Palpatine or Vader would be and imagined one of them to be Dooku in another form, considering this conversation.It's just as well that he was executed, I doubt Dooku would have allowed for this plan or for Pong to be brought back in Rebels as an Inquisitor, which is literally the best scenario he could have hoped for.
The look on Fives face when Krell is talking about the fall of the Republic is so intense. God damn it, these Troopers MADE the show what it was. I'm so pissed Disney cancelled it.
That’s crazy because Fives, Rex, Jesse and Dogma all were told about the republics fall.. fives found out one piece to the mystery with the inhibitor chips, rex found out another with Darth Sidious, Jesse carried out order 66, that leaves Dogma
The truth is that, by this point, the Jedi and the Republic were doomed. Even if, miraculously, Anakin had seen through Palpatine's tricks and Order 66 had never been enacted, too many Jedi (like Krell and Barris) had gone Dark. The Republic was cracking apart both politically socially and getting too used to war and having a standing army to support. There would still have been a civil war; it would have just been uglier and more random with multiple factions like the new Darksiders and various non-Separatist secessionist groups as well as power factions looking to seize Palpatine's unprecedented political power for themselves. The Light would probably have triumphed in the end but the old order would long since have gone to a ruin.
A small detail I appreciate is that the angle of the shot made sense. The burn on the wall from the blaster was to the left of Krell when he fell straight forward, so if you were keen enough, you would be able to tell who actually shot him, even before the camera panned. Such an amazing show, honestly.
He had the element of surprise when he turned, the clones at the temple were the ones who were surprised and overwhelmed by an army of clones. Sooner or later each Jedi was gunned down before they could even get any distance from the spot.
But we have to assume he would’ve still had his visions of the fall of the jedi and attempt to warn the Jedi and they might have been more prepared for order 66
I can imagine Krell fighting the Clones in the Jedi Temple at night. That would make for the BEST FIGHT SCENE man. I think he’d survive aswell, it seems that in combat he’s pretty unrivalled by most Jedi.
Krell was such a dick to Clones for those who Say Anakin is too wreckless you r right but do note Anakin fights beside his troops and would've ended the Umbara Campaign in less time and fewer casualties
Anakin: Master, Cody can you excuse us for a few moments? Rex, Snips, you come with me: A few seconds later: *furiously lightsabers sounds, angry togruta noises, blasters sounds, painfully yells, members flying away, everything ended with Krell being killed by Anakin* Anakin: done shouldn't bother us anymore *Rex and Snips yeeting Krell's lifeless body* Obi-Wan and Cody: O_o
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