Yes I always found this exact thing to be dumb as fuck. So mace windu was gonna fall to the dark side when he was about to strike palpatine? Every one knows that if you leave palpatine alive he's a danger.
Every time I see Star Wars Rebels all I see is a sign that says "The Force Unleashed is non-canon, and we're replacing it with a kids' show showing a former a Padawan who never finished his training train his own Padawan who will replace your favorite Force user who is more powerful than Vader, Sidious AND Yoda as the person who indirectly kinda helped create the Rebel Alliance". Don't get me wrong, the show's okay, but I'll never forget Galen Marek/Starkiller/The Secret Apprentice.
Ronan Mina Don't misunderstand the point of Rebels. The foundations of the Rebel Alliance were already there long before the show began, but as a network of cells kept largely ignorant of each other, save contact from "Fulcrum", who help tie them all together. The main band of the show was just one of these cells, not realizing they were a part of a bigger group.
I love this ending because Palpatine did more than fail : he started his own failure You see, he was so paranoïd about a possible rebellion that he felt the need to destroy anyone who would event think about opposing him Palpatine is a master planner, surely one of if not the best in the entire franchise. So to see him defeated by something that was at the beginning his own plan is very satisfying. Like Tolkien said "Evil's will often ruin evil"
It’s actually also very accurate to real life historic rulers who became so obsessed with power that along with it came paranoia that everyone wanted to take them out.
Whats funny is that once again a stupid jedi didnt take the chance of killing the lord of the sith. He is laying on the floor and is ready to be killed but nope. Just walk away and let the empire keep on going.
Chris Auditore The older jedi was standing right next to him. He could have killed him. Its stupidity at its finest. The most powerful sith lord of all time is laying there and he is the one thing holding the empire together. They should now how smart and dangerous he is. He not only destroyed the jedi, but built a dark side empire. And they let him go
atalacus43 He is, its Canon. Vitiate was not as powerful as some Believe. He used a ritual to extend his Life, nothing fancy about it. Revan was not that strong either. He was a master tactitian thats all. The jedi order was at its strongest when Sidious destroyed it, and took over the galaxy as its emperor. Something both revan and vitiate failed to do. Yoda was the strongest jedi up to anakin and luke Skywalker, and he failed against sidious. It took the family line of the strongest force users ever to take him down, and they barely made it.
vitiate never intended to take out the jedi order, he didn't care about them. he ate planets. i'll agree he's not as strong as everyone assumed, but he ate planets, that tops sidious in power, if we're going to discount revan because it was his tactics, then you must also discount sidious, sidious didn't use the force to beat the jedi order, he asked a jedi to run an errand for him to make a clone army, and slipped in order 66 and waited til the right moment to turn them, and anakin did most of the work for him the most force power he ever really showed was his mastery of force lightning and some craftiness, but we already discounted revan for his craftiness.
5:42 roughly translated from Vader to Sidious, "I know you were trying to replace me this whole time you know. Did you honestly take me for the fool?" Sidious: "OH ummm yeah anyways about those Rebels....damn I feel stupid right now".
***** Vader still would not be strong enough either way. He required the combined power with his apprentice to take sidious down. He lacked the confidence to ever take him alone.
Timothy Nikiforovs I think part of him genuinely wanted Starkiller to help him the same way but Sidious being suspicious was just too much. In hindsight I do believe Vader would have been a lot like Revan had he succeeded. He probably would not have been near as cruel as sidious was as a ruler and he would have probably have made some changes for the better.
Somehow, I actually like this ending, but I gotta point out a fault. Rahm Kota encourages Galen Marek to let the emperor live. What the hell? I know this is for the sake of continuity, but this is Rahm Kota, of all people, who is questioning the execution of the emperor. Marek could just kill him right there, and there would be no dark side consequences. Kota was known as the Jedi who applied his paranoia to question the use of clone troopers (manufactured muscle) serving under Jedi officers. He survived Order 66 because of that decision. In fact, he and his militia survived _almost two decades into the Empire's reign_. It was basically a rather well-armed but still unnoticeable insurgency that Vader only pays attention to it for the sake of training Marek. Nonetheless, Kota's militia survived for two decades. That is an amazing feat that demands guile, something that Kota lacked in _final minute_ and got Marek killed.
+Byron Mak Mace Windu also wanted to kill the Emperor much earlier, so Kota really made a bad decision. He was a bit like Anakin, when he defended Palpatine and caused Windu's death...
+Byron Mak Actually, this is sort of touched on in the dialogue exchange between Marek and Kota. Marek states it too, "He's stronger than you know." The kicker is the "He deserves to die for what he's done to me." Kota knows that if Marek were to strike him down, the Emperor still would've won in corrupting him. The Force amplifies emotional turmoil to great lengths, hence why the Jedi and Sith are so extreme in simple situations where there is normally grey area in the real world. (IE, Anakin's fears led him to commit extensive atrocities and forsake his brother-like teacher all over a premonition of his wife's death). This is why Kota (who actually is a bit of an inconsistency himself as you pointed out with relying on paranoia to survive) has a change of heart, simply because he recognizes that allowing Marek to kill the Emperor would've led to Marek himself falling completely to the Dark Side again.
+Byron Mak True you have a point, Marek could have killed Palpatine but if he did it out of rage, he would have made Palpatine more stronger than anything. Remember even in death Jedi and Sith have power and influences the others to sway either to the light or dark side of the the Force so if he did killed the Emperor he would just made Palpatine have more sway over the future bearers of the Force.
@@brysonstiles6737here's the thing tho, i'm not sure he *wanted* to kill Galen. He tricked him, yeah, but every chance he got to kill him he didn't take. And it makes sense, especially when you consider Galen was basically the closest thing Vader ever had to a son, Luke included, plus he was actually competent, which Vader really likes.
lol i love how darth vader suddenly appears next to starkiller and sidious while they have their lightning battle @ 4:53 its like he finally managed to get up after a long battle with starkiller, only to get knocked into the air by the lightning explosion lol
He probably planned on doing Sidious in the back up until Marek was killed. He'd probably had enough of his shit. You can tell he feels remorse when he's standing over his corpse.
Thats why i hate the jedi. We'll just let him live so he can start a whole new war we are "forced" to fight in. Then you'll really be back to square one and facing a more powerful enemy
First, that no scream was incredible. Second, nobody should've survived the explosion and if anyone had it would've been Galen because he might be the most durable thing in the Star Wars universe.
My head-canon is that this occurs just prior to Rebels S3E18. Alliance command is formed by those Galen rescued and Mon Mothma sending out her message during that episode of Rebels is the first "call to arms". Following Marek's death and the newly founded Alliance born from his sacrifice, the Ghost Crew and their "cell" join the official Rebellion following their evacuation of Chopper Base. Then you get the Battle of Lothal followed by Rogue One and A New Hope with The Force Unleashed II probably fitting somewhere after the destruction of the first Death Star.
With Jan Ors and Kyle Katarn finding those pieces of plans for the Death Star. And had miss Orso and jimmy Luna. The descendant of the original founder of the civilization far far way. Cass of Andor. 10,000 years ago. A freedom fighter who opposed the earth federations rule on a far far away colony. Getting those final pieces of the Death Star plans in scarif and then sending them to Leia. Thus begins A New Hope. Also Thrawn and Ezra being thrown into the unknown regions. And Ezra being consumed by the dark side and becomes a dark Jedi. And Thrawn returns to civilized space and discovers that the empire is in shambles and leads some of the imperial remnants into his command. Giving the rebel alliance teams a major obstacle to deal with. Plus the mandalorian is doing his bounty hunting business of his.
You should understand that killing of one man would solve anything. It was before Palpatine dissolve the Senate and show himself as True Tyrant. In good scenario, Imperial buteaucrats, military and senates would elect new emperor as in Roman empire and Palpatine would become a martyr. In the Worst scenario, it would be absolutely chaotic civil war which would lasted more than 21years or less but would be more disastrous.
Same. I had the PSP version (the same as the PS2 and Wii one) and I was appalled when I found out the next-gen (back then, the PS3/X360/PC one) didn't have a proper Sidious fight
While I do think Rebels greatly improved as the show went on (especially as season two came to its end), as far as an origin story for the Rebel Alliance is concerned, I still prefer this. I always thought there was a sort of poetic justice behind the Empire being toppled by a Rebellion unwittingly created by the Emperor and Vader. The Marek family crest being used as the Alliance's symbol was also a nice touch.
I disagree. The Emperor and Vader creating the Rebellion made them look like dumbasses. It also made Starkiller a Gary Stu as the one responsible for the Rebellion. It also makes no sense that Bail Organa's involvement was exposed in the game, since during A New Hope he was on Alderaan. I prefer Rebels.
@@jackhummer8344 And how is Starkiller a Gary Stu? At least he was trained and has a legitimate backstory, unlike some other characters. Starkiller in origin is similar to Maul. Both taken in by sith at a young age, and trained to take out Jedi and the likes. Both are betrayed by their masters, both seeks revenge. Galen through his own story gets redemption, Maul gets beaten down by papa palps. If there's any story that's batshit crazy, its Force Unleashed 2.
@@SweetDreamsHalo3 Let's see... he kills Shaak Ti, which is honestly bull. He pulls a Star Destroyer out of the sky. He founds and saves the Rebellion. He kicks Vader's ass twice, which is even more bull. And in the Dark Side ending, he's still apparently better than Vader in every way since he turns Luke to the dark side and brutally murders Obi-Wan. His backstory isn't that much either, nor does it change that he's an overpowered Gary Stu with a generic redemption arc.
Star Wars Rebels is okay as a kids' show but all it does is remind me this isn't canon anymore. This along with the sequel was two my favorite Star Wars games. Well at least Luke now has a chance to be the #1 Jedi again.
David Vasquez they can call whatever they want canon, to ME this is how the rebellion began. I'm stoked for episode 7, dont get me wrong, but Kyle Katarn still stole the death star plans, dismantled the dark trooper project, and defended the Valley of the Jedi. Admiral Thrawn was still probably the greatest military mind in the star wars universe. TIE defenders are still the difinitive shit. Revan was still a magnificent badass, and Galen Marek still allowed for the rebel alliance to begin and went head to head with both vader and palpatine and defeated them, WHEN HE WAS 17 YEARS OLD. Disney might own the rights to star wars, but all their "this is canon, and this isnt" is just words. Like most big franchises, star wars doesnt just exist in a contract or a piece of paper, but in the hearts and minds of its fans. Especially a franchise like star wars, which has such a rich and detailed background lore that goes so much farther than the movies. the star wars universe is made up of hundreds of books, games, comics, etc.. spanning thousands of years, and all considered canon by the fans AND TPTB long before disney and JJ Abrams got their hands on the franchise. Star Wars exists in the community of fans, who grew up reading those books and playing those games, and who as a community of millions commonly consider all of them to be a part of the star wars universe. THAT is the true star wars canon, because that is what those millions of fans know and believe it to be. It's become a living, breathing fiction in the minds of all those millions. Now disney can buy the rights to the franchise and make their movies. And they and JJ can stomp their feet and say "it's not canon, we dont like it because we want to tell a different story", but they dont own our opinions. As long as the star wars community continues to see star wars as the same universe it was before they got their hands on it, thats what it will remain.
Good, I'm glad this isn't cannon anymore. Having Vader defeated so decisively before Luke was able to do so takes away his intimidation factor significantly
Auri El only Galen (literally) went out out with a bang! Yoda wusses out even tho them they fought on do float whilst Vader just goes traitor on the Emperor last minute
It does not say it, but through the emotions and tone of voice used by Vader and Palpatine, you can sense the large rift between Vader and Palpatine. I found it to be touching, in the way that it enhances the story's atmosphere.
5:29 - 6:13 well it looks like vaders very sad his plan back fired and he liked his apprentice. He really wanted to overthrow Palpatine with his student yet Palpatine kept forcing him to betray his apprentice. Now he has to clone him. Kinda like TCW dooku he liked training Assaj and Palpatine scolded dooku for making ventress too strong and dookus like: fine...
Give me this over Rebels any day. Remember what the tag line was? 'This game is about kicking ass using the Force' Better the Alliance Starbird came from here than from some Mandalorian explosives lover with a penchant for graffiti.
I'm praying that they bring Galen into the next season of Rebels, if it is indeed set before the official formation of the Rebel Alliance. Imagine if Galen, still in the thrall of Vader, stormed Echo Base to kill Kanan and Ezra, or was dispatched to hunt down and kill Ahsoka.
Aidan Keogh Well I hope SOMETHING kills Ezra. They've blended Kyle Katarn in with Rahm Kota now; just check the newest look for Kanan Jarrus (Caleb Dume) and you'll see.
***** Kreia is quite possibly the best Sith / Jedi ever, even admitting 'perhaps these are the delusions of an old woman who has grown to rely on the thing she despises'. Besides, there are implications Kanan's sight might be restored via Dathomiri magic.
NeidalRuekk That or Kanan may simply have to become proficient with Force Sight, not really a super rare power, as Jedi of some races where born blind and still excelled within the Order.
Aidan Keogh They may yet 'canonise' Miraluka with this ability. ***k you disney... As I recall, Visas Marr and Darth Traya used it to get around, along with Meetra Surik who was taught it by them.
The virgin Rey: -Savenger from a rip off Tatooine -Lives on heavy plot armor -Swings a lightsaber like a 10 year old playing Star Wars in their back yard -Needs two lightsabers to deflect Palpatine’s lightning -Commits identity theft *The chad Starkiller:* -Was both a Jedi and a Sith -Kicks ass with a backwards lightsaber -Uses force lightning while still being a Jedi -Deflects Palpatine’s lightning with just his hands -Sacrificed himself to save the senators and is responsible for the formation of the Rebel alliance
I will always cry after every ending of star wars Force unleashed. It is beautiful game with wonderfully and talently written story. The Force is always strong with you Galen Marek!
First the sequel (Force Unleashed 2) ruined Galen Marek. Now Disney ruined all of this badass origin. WIth Star Wars Rogue One out, I really wish they make a reference to this event.
How would they have? Pretty much the first half or two thirds of the movie was proving to Alliance Command that the Death Star exists and that its a threat. Why would they have needed to prove that to Mon Mothma when she almost died herself on it?
Vader must have gotten kind of attached to Galen, because he would've had to start cloning within hours of his death otherwise the body would've become unusable.
Vault 781 Sith Lord or not, he did raise Galen from what couldn't have been any older than 10 by the looks of it, and Galen was 17 at the time of his death. I know Sith aren't meant to bond, but Darth Vader was only ever fully immersed in the Dark Side during the sack of the Jedi Temple and during his duel with Obi-Wan on Mustafar, so maybe Vader did get a little attached to Galen however unintentionally. Or maybe he was just more enamored with the idea of a Force-sensitive army at his immediate disposal.
Yeah the sith rule of 2 didn't really allow for.. Well more than 2 sith. But there has been multiple cases. (Which are no longer canon.) of sith armies like Darth Malak and Revan. Darth Vader and his attachment to Galen can explain why he cloned him in the first place.
Yeah the sith rule of 2 didn't really allow for.. Well more than 2 sith. But there has been multiple cases. (Which are no longer canon.) of sith armies like Darth Malak and Revan. Darth Vader and his attachment to Galen can explain why he cloned him in the first place.
Vault 781 Bearing in mind of course that Revan lived thousands of years before Darth Bane even had the idea of the doctrine of the Rule of Two. In fact, it was an old Sith holocron of Darth Revan that gave Bane the idea of the Rule of two, so you could Revan was- much like Treia- years ahead of his time. Some argue that the Rule of Two was doomed to fail, but it only failed because of the last three generations of the Rule of Two. Over the thousand years of the Sith's Rule of Two, the Jedi trained tens of thousands of Jedi, meanwhile the Rule of Two roster saw only thirty and it still thrived. It was started with Darth Plagueis essentially being a little bitch who was afraid to die and pass on the torch and allow Palpatine to continue the Sith legacy, proposing instead that he and Palpatine rule the galaxy as equals. When Palpatine saw that Plagueis had nothing left to teach him, he killed him in a manner similar to Plagueis killing his own master- dishonorably. The way the Rule of Two had worked since the beginning to ensure that each new generation of Sith was stronger than the last was for the Apprentice to challenge the Master to an honourable duel in single combat. Darth Plagueis killed his master by crushing him until a mountain of debris when he was already fatally wounded by external factors. Palpatine killed Plagueis in his sleep. Palpatine was much like Plagueis, however, in that he refused to die, and so he completely abandoned the Rule of Two- instead enacting his own personal and secret philosophy, the Rule of One. The Rule of One stated there was only to be one Sith master in the galaxy for all time, and any apprentices were but tools to acquiring that power until the master could maintain complete control forever- the master of the Rule of One of course being Palpatine. However, Palpatine, in time, came to trust Vader too much and for all his posturing and planning failed to account the mutual love between father and son. The Rule of Two was a perfect system, but it demanded complete adherence from the Sith themselves, otherwise the order would fall apart. Darth Bane had also never intended for secret apprentices either, just one master and one apprentice. If the apprentice was not strong enough to kill the master, the apprentice would be slain by the master in single combat, then he would seek a new apprentice until he himself was slain. Later Sith lords under the Rule of Two failed to understand this or simply didn't care, leading to an apprentice taking on an apprentice of his own and then killing the master, making it so that the newer master was weaker than the one that came before- which is EXACTLY what Darth Bane was trying to avoid when he devised the Rule of Two. Only about the first five Sith lords of Darth Bane's doctrine adhered to the Rule of Two as he had intended- no secret apprentices, only ever two. Apologies for the massive ramble, but the Rule of Two is just such a damn cool idea. Revan would be proud of Bane.
How on earth did the emperor survive that!? I don't care how strong he is with the force an explosion of that magnitude with all of that lightning should of absolutely demolished him. Same goes for Darth Vader.
BellProductions There are techniques to basically use the Force as a deflector shield. Like Vader absorbing Han's blaster shots in TESB or that chick who grabbed a lightsaber in that one TOR trailer.
+JagDawg4 Because this ending and the evil ending are meant to piss the player off, and say fuck all logic. So much potential in that either ending *COULD* have been great, but was squandered by bullshit. Such a shame, considering the rest of the game was amazing...
@@Gooberpatrol66 4 years and no ones argued directly. Even if sidious could reflect the lightning vader can't snd as suit was made to be especially affected by force lightning
Bruh, the fucking storytelling. When Kota was being electrocuted and vader was helpless, starkiller had to make a decision. Mirroring Luke in the return of the jedi, except his was of whether to kill vader out of revenge and pain, or to save kota. This is star wars, this is what the new shit was lacking, the actual soul of the franchise is here. I thought I was crazy, I thought that I was always wrong and that the new shit was just as good, but no, this IS STAR WARS AND I LOVE EVERY FUCKING PIECE OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!
@@mannnyald3310 Very mature. Insulting real life people for a fictional badly written character. How old are you kid? Time to drink your daily dose of breast milk.
5:50 the Emperor be like “Damn! I tried to snake you and have starkiller replace you and you still loyal to me?” (Also wow I forgot how great this game was)
I was gonna have a young, fit, superpower full sith trained from 6 to do my bidding. Now I gotta put up with this hunk of metal for god knows how much longer again
They were both going easy on Starkiller, they wanted to convert him to the dark side. Vader and sidious both survived the explosion unscathed and starkiller straight up just died lol
Not really he has better on screen feats than either of them and it was stated multiple times his connection to the force was abnormally high. Him beating vader is a given since palpatine intentionality made vader weaker against darkside users when rebuilding him just incase he ever rebelled, and he didnt really overpower palpatine, he merely stalemated him in the force although his lack of experience and the effort of holding back palpatines full power killed him. Maybe with another 30 years of training or so he couldve have beat palaptine but he wasnt ready here.
There's two things that baffle me about Vader in final cutscene: 1) he was standing right behind Palpatine and was not blown away by big ass explosion 2) he didn't even tried to strike down Palps, despite killing him being Vader's plan since the beginning
Cal's story isn't about rebellion. It's about survival. The survival of him and the Jedi Order. He doesn't want to fight the empire straight away, he wants to rebuild the Jedi first.
i do love both games, on how one person can rise up and say to those "not in our home", on how one person can inspire hope to those to have none, and also form an alliance to fight back.
3:38-3:45 Have some mercy for old Palpy, he's already eighty-something years old. I guess you'll all ask where was Palpatine's mercy during Dooku's execution.
NYG5 Yeah they should have made it harder to escape. How that ship made it out without a horde of starfighters on its tail is beyond me. And unlike ANH, this isn't actually a ruse and they actually do want to kill the guys.
This needs to be a movie. Because the person who did the voice of starkiller was also who they based the animation off of. He also does real acting. This would be an instant hit. If they could pull it off it would be my favorite one. The story is just so worthy of it.
Ok, so I understand not making the second Force Unleashed canon, but they could've kept the first one canon since it still perfectly connects to the lore and there's no in-continuities or at least I don't think so.
Yea, if you look past the awful story, meme-level dialogue at times, and that they shit on Vader and Palpatine with this emo kid, why do people call Rey Mary Sue when this is the same thing. (I dislike the sequels, but this is on the same level). The gameplay was good, don't get me wrong, but it's story does not fit for canon.
@@umbrella4407 Obviously, Starkiller wouldn't be as powerful as he was in the Force Unleashed game, but they didn't have to completely get rid of the story line.
It was a hyperbole, but the point still stands, making Starkiller as powerful as he was was ridiculously dumb and shat on the original trilogy and it's characters. Thankfully it's not canon or ever will be.
@@umbrella4407 Disney could've just made Starkiller canon and changed certain aspects to fit better into canon instead of getting rid of his character all together.
(Sonic confront Yuji Naka) Amy: He's beaten. Let it go. Sonic: It's a trick! He's a jerk than you know, and he deserves to die for what he's done to you! Amy: Maybe so, but if you kill him in anger, you'll become murder.
Probably gonna get flak but whats the music playing at 4:09 I heard it in the OG. Battlefront 2 but did know the name if somebodybknow please let me know
How to make a lightsaber duel boring Step 1 - Don't use lightsaber. Step 2 - Force lightning all day. That's the entire fight 3:21 to skip that "fight" MLG strats are always boring.
Good job captain obvious. If you watch episode 3 you'll see the emperor results to lightning over saber battles because he doesn't have the endurance to fight for that long but he has unlimited force powers
this game was great i loved it and disney just comes and tell me it's non cannon well fuck them the only way that i'm gonna accept them is if they do some awsome movies with great stories though the trailer already seems like a big fail i'm gonna wait and i will decide what it's going to be canon pre disney or post disney
@Brent 21 And I don't consider anything from Disney canon either. I have already said that many times. What part of NO LUCAS = NO STAR WARS do you not get??
